You may not have seen this but you should have

[Oss]

Congress needs to pay attention, most of our national media is asleep at the switch
Who reported the leaks?  The liberal NY Times but no investigative follow up like they did in the 1970's  Why not?

Lets see the wiretap applications, the briefing records that were first denied by Obama's staff but now clearly acknowledged
Guess what boys and girls.    The national intelligence officials LIED about the warrants and investigations and electronic surveillance.  

Obama's cover up is unravelling and will go down as way beyond Nixon's   and I hope it makes him into convicted felon as should all of those at the top of the democratic machine.   They are on the run and are dangerous now more than ever as they try to escape justice

 Obama knew this stuff  He set it in motion and is responsible for the fallout   No smoking gun existed against Trump so what could not be proved was "leaked"   At trial if asked "when did you stop beating your wife" you cant win. How to prove a negative?

Here are a few solid foundations for the truth which is coming out.

https://www.facebook.com/foxandfriends/videos/1331303066957286/

https://www.facebook.com/LevinTV/videos/1880829125536189/

Don't blindly dismiss Levin, he is a constitutional lawyer with a rich history of atty general service in the past and his research is meticulous.  Its one thing to be suspicious, its another to be blind deaf and dumb.

Warrants and NSA intercepts are reported in briefings, as they should be and the warrant requests were at first denied by the court.  Who requests the warrants? duh, the POTUS as it should be.  Millions of dollars have been spent to sabotage and deny the democratic process and the clear domestic spying by the Obama police state apparatus on american citizens illegally was allowed to continue.  Those wiretaps were first denied, then now it is certain they took place again and again. 4th amendment either is part of the constitution or it isnt.  Under Obama clearly it means nothing.  I will so enjoy watching the hearings, and the Obama officials who leaked need some quality time in Gitmo

The Republicans need to finish the flushing out of all the political appointees as happens after every election  as it should be so they can bring this crap to proper light.   If you are not disgusted then there is nothing that will turn your stomach.

Flame on if you see nothing wrong with illegally wiretapping american citizens and planting fake news then making fun of POTUS Trump for calling bullshit.  McCarthy and Hoover have nothing on the last administation

[Pappy!]

This process indeed will be a painful one.
Under Obama, it was anything goes. Constitution be cursed. Congress and the House let things slide as it seemed special interest money was simply too good to resist. The American people just kept paying the bills and were blindly led to the edge of the cliff.
The swamp will not go willingly. I hope the current administration can get it done and restore some semblance of integrity in Washington.
Heads need to roll. Clinton issues have faded away and I wonder how this has happened. Will Obama be above the law as well? I certainly hope not.
Why is Comey still there by the way!!

[Moonshot_1]

Congress needs to pay attention, most of our national media is asleep at the switch
Who reported the leaks?  The liberal NY Times but no investigative follow up like they did in the 1970's  Why not?

Lets see the wiretap applications, the briefing records that were first denied by Obama's staff but now clearly acknowledged
Guess what boys and girls.    The national intelligence officials LIED about the warrants and investigations and electronic surveillance.  

Obama's cover up is unravelling and will go down as way beyond Nixon's   and I hope it makes him into convicted felon as should all of those at the top of the democratic machine.   They are on the run and are dangerous now more than ever as they try to escape justice

 Obama knew this stuff  He set it in motion and is responsible for the fallout   No smoking gun existed against Trump so what could not be proved was "leaked"   At trial if asked "when did you stop beating your wife" you cant win. How to prove a negative?

Here are a few solid foundations for the truth which is coming out.

https://www.facebook.com/foxandfriends/videos/1331303066957286/

https://www.facebook.com/LevinTV/videos/1880829125536189/

Don't blindly dismiss Levin, he is a constitutional lawyer with a rich history of atty general service in the past and his research is meticulous.  Its one thing to be suspicious, its another to be blind deaf and dumb.

Warrants and NSA intercepts are reported in briefings, as they should be and the warrant requests were at first denied by the court.  Who requests the warrants? duh, the POTUS as it should be.  Millions of dollars have been spent to sabotage and deny the democratic process and the clear domestic spying by the Obama police state apparatus on american citizens illegally was allowed to continue.  Those wiretaps were first denied, then now it is certain they took place again and again. 4th amendment either is part of the constitution or it isnt.  Under Obama clearly it means nothing.  I will so enjoy watching the hearings, and the Obama officials who leaked need some quality time in Gitmo

The Republicans need to finish the flushing out of all the political appointees as happens after every election  as it should be so they can bring this crap to proper light.   If you are not disgusted then there is nothing that will turn your stomach.

Flame on if you see nothing wrong with illegally wiretapping american citizens and planting fake news then making fun of POTUS Trump for calling bullshit.  McCarthy and Hoover have nothing on the last administation

Appreciate your post. But like I have mentioned in other threads, you are underestimating the level of corruption here.

Obama is just a player. A big player, but just a player. The DNC, the Clintons, Soros, multitudes of liberal political organizations, make up a political entity that is not only unrivaled but has at it's disposal most of the major media news outlets. (You ever notice when a major political story breaks they all use the same key words to describe things in their reports. Not just the media, everyone.)

This is organized crime on a grand scale. The corruption so great that Watergate, once the definition of political corruption, will now barely merit a footnote in history.

This is bad.

[Alpha Dog]

This past week I heard a couple of interviews with some bulldogs that are real investigative journalists that are hot on the trail.  John Solomon of Circa and I forget the woman, maybe someone will remember. Do not expect the Nightly news, the Pravda so called news channels, or the so called journalist that are nothing more than opinion writers, to be on this trail.  Just ask Sharyl Attkisson, formerly of CBS News, what happens when you dig too far into the truth.  First it gets shelved and then you are run out.  Or James Rossen of Fox News who had the weight of the Deep State under O go after him through wire tapping and false allegations that took him considerable time and effort to clean up.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Out of respect for my New York friend, "no comment"

[Oss]

A political machine is  almost by its very nature subject to corruption
tories, whigs, democrats, republicans, tammany hall, watergate it just goes on and on and on

Both party machines are rife and ripe with corruption because Money is the grease for Power

Normal procedure after every election big and small, is to clean house and shake up the tree of political appointees whether ambassadors heads of dept's you name it that is the nature of the system of government

Now we have cry babies saying woe is me I lost my cushy govt appointed job like here in NY  and getting press.
I say to those sore losers grow some gonads  your job is over your girl lost   8 yrs ago and 8 yrs before that identical without the crying  Yet now its ok to soil your diapers over the end of the free ride  pitiful wankers (great expression Paul)

Ever wonder why media seems to use the same words all the time when breaking a story?    When grading papers the teacher doesnt want to see identical words  You know why it means cheating

I was upset to read about the illegal targeting, the intercepts and wiretaps at first as I do not like cheaters, thieves and liars and distrust security apparatus whether domestic or foreign
Sadly the more I have dug (and you know I read as much as I can before I post) the worse it is becoming clear we have a big problem with big brother.   Is Obama the source? I really doubt he is the ONLY one but yes he is clearly one as the buck stops at his desk, but Does it matter?

 He was being fed by someone and now he is the fall guy set up to be getting caught with the goods  I doubt all of the real instigators will ever be caught as too many will (and you can count on it) be suicides and questionable deaths before the sheep that are most of our electorate forgets and moves on.

I admire your not being scared to speak up, Meathead and Baldo -  hopefully with research behind your posts and not just sarcasm and humor (not there is anything wrong with either but those dont dig into the subject and just provoke tangents and insulting posts back)
I was a Democrat before I embraced my "inner founding father" roots and started putting myself in the position of what would I have done back in the late 18th century in evaluating the constitution and why.  Its why I read the federalist papers and the consitution and the writings of those imperfect men who gave us that document. No secret I am a pro states rights and bill of rights proponent as well

 Now I dont really trust either party, its one reason why I like Trump  even his own party is scared because his motive is what is best for america not some party or multinational or country  Does he speak and tweet too quickly? Of course and that my friend is the breath of fresh air needed to start airing out the swamp  I love Diamond and Silk for the same reason.  

YMMV and that is ok

[Robert]

Good story Oss have seen this before, and I am becoming more and more concerned that the Republican party is not doing the things that help Trump and help the people. I am seeing that the Republicans its more and more business as usual. I hope I am wrong but I have not seen them engage like they should, since they have an open window. This wire tap example is only one thing that they should be pushing. 

[baldo]

It wasn't enough for you guys that your guy won the Big Chair and Congress.. After eight years of constant complaining about Obama and all his horrors that never came to pass, you're taking this wiretap bullshit to new levels with absolutely no proof, no smoke, no nothing! Just your overwhelming desire to keep pounding on something, anything....

If you really want to get uptight about something, take a look at at what's going on with the healthcare debacle. Or the increase of billions in military spending that won't ever get near a soldier's paycheck or VA treatment. Or how about Yemenghazi? Or about trump's travel costs after all his slamming of Obama. At this rate, he'll spend over a Billion $$, compared to O's 87 M in 8 years. I could go on and on and on, but there's never a peep about how trump sold millions of people a bill of goods and is gearing up to stuff it up your backsides from every different direction. Thank you sir, may I have another.

So, if it makes you all sleep better at night having that evil Obama/Soros creature working all manner of nefarious mischief in the night, in the 'shadows'.....well, you've got that going for you, which is good...I guess.

[therapist]

What he said. 

[shortleg]

  With due respect to my more liberal brothers what about the so called Russian connection
that the Dems keep jumping up and down about.
  Everybody needs to like when Obama was in to respect the office.
 All I wish is that our people would just get behind our Prez because
if he is able to make things better we all  advance in this thing called life.
  I hope I am not coming off like too much of a dreamer here.
 Just stop the crap and give him a chance.
 

[Oss]

Baldo, with all due respect, do you have no idea what Obamacare has done to those self employed?

My health care premium is over 24000 a year  That is before deductibles and some of my wife's medicine is not even covered. I employ only my wife and daughter.  The premium is due to increase by 6000 this year, Many of our members may not even gross that, how am I supposed to pay for that plus the dozens of taxes US NYS NYC SS FICA Disability Life Ins Malpractice Ins House Car and Motorcycle Ins, property taxes of almost 20k at home and 15k at work, a wedding for my girl and fund a pension and still live?  Obama has put me in a deep hole  Maybe you dont pay any or many of these things I dont know. The american dream almost died with the last president and I will stand with this new one while he tries to right the ship of state

I do know it is costing well over a trillion dollars a year above and beyond what the CBO (Congressional Budget Office ) anticipated and CBO doesnt get to consider the side benefits that will come from the Trump basic version.    

are there concerns? Of course mental health care being one but the taking away the forced rape aspect of Obamacare where the Feds dictate what insurance and who to play with must happen and happen sooner rather than later  We cant control the budget till this white elephant is put to death.

I absolutely love the irony that the Obama and Clinton camps having started rumors now find themselves out of power and watching helplessly while Congress is finding the voice and gumption to start investigating not just the rumors (all of which are unfounded so far) but more importantly looking and digging into how and why government was allowed to dig into private citizens conversations emails and texts.  Remember Clinton was Secretary of State, Trump and his supporters were private citizens free to speak to anyone anywhere in the world without worry about big brother listening

  Be careful what you wish for Baldo and Therapist  When you piss into the wind you can get wet  Dino, there is no privacy right on the net and all bills are subject to negotiation  I am always in favor of robust exchange of ideas.  As to DNA, I have no doubt that someday there will be a database of everything under the sun, not just DNA
How big brother can or can not use it is the big question yes?

[dinosnake]

You missed the latest one from the current GOP-controlled Congress: they proposed a bill to allow businesses to demand DNA testing of their employees, under the guise of proactive health, and employees that refuse can get their health insurance costs spiked anywhere from 30% to 50%

http://fortune.com/2017/03/10/genetic-testing-workplace-wellness-bill/

So how do you feel about other people demanding your DNA?

We also won't discuss the other bills offered up to Congress: removing the FCC's rules regarding customer privacy so as to allow your cable & ISP company to sell your data to any other company who asks...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/03/02/fcc-sets-aside-new-net-data-privacy-rule/98599438/

Stuff like this not covered so much by Fox, is it? 

[The emperor has no clothes]

  With due respect to my more liberal brothers what about the so called Russian connection
that the Dems keep jumping up and down about.
  Everybody needs to like when Obama was in to respect the office.
 All I wish is that our people would just get behind our Prez because
if he is able to make things better we all  advance in this thing called life.
  I hope I am not coming off like too much of a dreamer here.
 Just stop the crap and give him a chance.
 

Shortleg, surely you haven't already forgotten the vile and disrespectful things that were said on here about Obama ?

[Moonshot_1]

You missed the latest one from the current GOP-controlled Congress: they proposed a bill to allow businesses to demand DNA testing of their employees, under the guise of proactive health, and employees that refuse can get their health insurance costs spiked anywhere from 30% to 50%

http://fortune.com/2017/03/10/genetic-testing-workplace-wellness-bill/

So how do you feel about other people demanding your DNA?

We also won't discuss the other bills offered up to Congress: removing the FCC's rules regarding customer privacy so as to allow your cable & ISP company to sell your data to any other company who asks...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/03/02/fcc-sets-aside-new-net-data-privacy-rule/98599438/

Stuff like this not covered so much by Fox, is it?  

It does not allow businesses to demand your DNA. And you know it. The bill allows for requests by employers in regards to health programs and voluntary participation by employees. This continues to enjoy Federal protections for employees in regards to privacy.

This is the relevant part of the bill.
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:42%20section:2000ff-1%20edition:prelim)

Your FCC drivel is really a temporary stay on the implementation of FCC rules regarding privacy because it conflicts with Federal Trade Commission rules. They want to standardize the policies hence the temporary stay on the implementation of the current rule.  So you  deliberately lead us astray there too. No one is removing FCC privacy rules.  And this isn't congressional. The FCC is under the Executive branch.

[Moonshot_1]

  With due respect to my more liberal brothers what about the so called Russian connection
that the Dems keep jumping up and down about.
  Everybody needs to like when Obama was in to respect the office.
 All I wish is that our people would just get behind our Prez because
if he is able to make things better we all  advance in this thing called life.
  I hope I am not coming off like too much of a dreamer here.
 Just stop the crap and give him a chance.
 

Shortleg, surely you haven't already forgotten the vile and disrespectful things that were said on here about Obama ?

I do not know how a relative handful of short sighted and crude people making uncalled for and dreadful comments about Pres. Obama greenlights this to be the standard to make such comments about anyone else.

[The emperor has no clothes]

  With due respect to my more liberal brothers what about the so called Russian connection
that the Dems keep jumping up and down about.
  Everybody needs to like when Obama was in to respect the office.
 All I wish is that our people would just get behind our Prez because
if he is able to make things better we all  advance in this thing called life.
  I hope I am not coming off like too much of a dreamer here.
 Just stop the crap and give him a chance.
 

Shortleg, surely you haven't already forgotten the vile and disrespectful things that were said on here about Obama ?

I do not know how a relative handful of short sighted and crude people making uncalled for and dreadful comments about Pres. Obama greenlights this to be the standard to make such comments about anyone else.

Moonshot, I don't believe I've said anything vile or disrespectful about Trump. Nor do I advocate anyone else doing so. Shortleg posted that everybody needs to be like when Obama was in office and respect the presidency. I was merely pointing out the error of that statement.

[Moonshot_1]

  With due respect to my more liberal brothers what about the so called Russian connection
that the Dems keep jumping up and down about.
  Everybody needs to like when Obama was in to respect the office.
 All I wish is that our people would just get behind our Prez because
if he is able to make things better we all  advance in this thing called life.
  I hope I am not coming off like too much of a dreamer here.
 Just stop the crap and give him a chance.
 

Shortleg, surely you haven't already forgotten the vile and disrespectful things that were said on here about Obama ?

I do not know how a relative handful of short sighted and crude people making uncalled for and dreadful comments about Pres. Obama greenlights this to be the standard to make such comments about anyone else.

Moonshot, I don't believe I've said anything vile or disrespectful about Trump. Nor do I advocate anyone else doing so. Shortleg posted that everybody needs to be like when Obama was in office and respect the presidency. I was merely pointing out the error of that statement.

Gotcha. Didn't claim you said anything vile or disrespectful. After rereading Shortleg's post I don't believe he was referring to this site but the general media and political landscape.

[Robert]

The problem as to why we still bitch is we still are dealing with the problems Obama instituted.

Plus riots in the streets, Obama paying for demonstrations, the fake news and Democrat's protesting and attacking Trump. Plus Obama has so much as admitted he has put blocks to stop any changes to his agenda. Obama practically destroyed the middle class and now its hard to claw back the rights, tax breaks, spending cuts, and economy that will give the middle class back its ability to survive. Heck I didnt hear anyone being prosecuted in targeting the conservative groups by taxing authorities. I did not hear one from the left say it was wrong. So if the left didn't speak up on these things they can go kiss my behind about any complaints they have to listen to.

 I am also really tired of hearing about the health care law also as far as those who wont be insured. Why does anyone think I would give a crap who has health insurance when I have to struggle to pay mine when I dont use it. Why dont they talk about the people going into debt to afford healthcare or the hardship its costing to the self employed.

I could have gotten a 5 year loan to pay for my Valkyrie but my health insurance is the same amount and I pay that each year without using my health care.

If you have an accident with your car your insurance goes up, why when I am in good health is my insurance so high?

I am tired of the insurance subsidies being so low that no one with a job qualifies. The deductible so high that insurance is pretty much useless you have a catastrophic condition. That no one got prosecuted over the false lying way it was put into law.

Why is Nancy Pelosi now saying we have to read the bill, rather than we have to pass the bill to find out whats in it. It pretty hard to be silent in light of this two faced approach to governing.

Just like I am really still pissed that so many lost their houses and there was no help from government and the tarp money went to fat cats.

Why does the credit card companies charge us 12 to 25 percent when they are charged 0 interest?

Why do we pay credit card processing fees over and above the interest banks charge?

Why do we pay the Federal Reserve to print our money?

Obama changed all but the last one for the worse for the middle class

[The emperor has no clothes]

Why does anyone think I would give a crap who has health insurance when I have to struggle to pay mine when I dont use it.

Very Christ like of you.

[Robert]

Why does anyone think I would give a crap who has health insurance when I have to struggle to pay mine when I dont use it.

Very Christ like of you.

2 Thessalonians 3
6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.

Thank you for recognizing it 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Why does anyone think I would give a crap who has health insurance when I have to struggle to pay mine when I dont use it.

Very Christ like of you.

2 Thessalonians 3
6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.

Thank you for recognizing it 

You can twist it how you want. Even a neophyte like me knows Jesus would never say or think "Why does anyone think I should give a crap about who has health insurance"

[Robert]

OK then, do you care that health insurance is a financial burden on me and my family and many others since I am paying for those who dont have insurance? Why do I get the sense you could care less about that? Are you not saying the same thing and yet taking the moral high road?

[Gavin_Sons]

Why does anyone think I would give a crap who has health insurance when I have to struggle to pay mine when I dont use it.

Very Christ like of you.

2 Thessalonians 3
6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.

Thank you for recognizing it 

You can twist it how you want. Even a neophyte like me knows Jesus would never say or think "Why does anyone think I should give a crap about who has health insurance"

Let's say you can afford to own a motorcycle. The laws of this country make you pay for 5 bikes when you only own one so they can give people not so fortunate a bike of their own. Would this be something you are for? By your comments I would say yes. Does not make much sense when you replace health insurance with "motorcycle" does it?

[The emperor has no clothes]

OK then, do you care that health insurance is a financial burden on me and my family and many others since I am paying for those who dont have insurance? Why do I get the sense you could care less about that? Are you not saying the same thing and yet taking the moral high road?

No, what I'm saying is for someone espouses their Christian beliefs you don't sound anything like it with that statement.

[Robert]

OK then, do you care that health insurance is a financial burden on me and my family and many others since I am paying for those who dont have insurance? Why do I get the sense you could care less about that? Are you not saying the same thing and yet taking the moral high road?

No, what I'm saying is for someone espouses their Christian beliefs you don't sound anything like it with that statement.

Ok so rather than answer my question and admitting your lack of concern for my and others financial situation concerning health care, you want to discuss my sounding like I'm Christian. Sorry its a no go,   I dont feel the need to justify my answers, especially when you wont answer the question, mr high ground.

[The emperor has no clothes]

OK then, do you care that health insurance is a financial burden on me and my family and many others since I am paying for those who dont have insurance? Why do I get the sense you could care less about that? Are you not saying the same thing and yet taking the moral high road?

No, what I'm saying is for someone espouses their Christian beliefs you don't sound anything like it with that statement.

Ok so rather than answer my question and admitting your lack of concern for my and others financial situation concerning health care, you want to discuss my sounding like I'm Christian. Sorry its a no go,   I dont feel the need to justify my answers, especially when you wont answer the question, mr high ground.

The answer to your question is we have been paying for people who don't have insurance for decades. When someone goes to the E.R. we as a society pay for it. If you know a way of getting around that, I'm all ears. I'm sure you don't want mandated insurance such as "Obamacare". As far as you paying for your insurance when you don't even use it. I kind of think that's how insurance works. God forbid you would come down with an illness where you would collect on your insurance. I doubt that would make you feel better. I have concern for your health insurance and your financial situation. They are not mutually exclusive from having concern for the poor single mom working at Walmart trying to provide for her family. Single Payer would alleviate your issues of having to pay for others insurance and not being able to collect on yours. But I doubt you are in favor of that.
 I have rarely been on the high ground of anything. I KNOW I am a flawed man. But I am trying to be more Christlike. You might consider that the next time before you make such a self centered statement.

[dinosnake]

You missed the latest one from the current GOP-controlled Congress: they proposed a bill to allow businesses to demand DNA testing of their employees, under the guise of proactive health, and employees that refuse can get their health insurance costs spiked anywhere from 30% to 50%

http://fortune.com/2017/03/10/genetic-testing-workplace-wellness-bill/

So how do you feel about other people demanding your DNA?

We also won't discuss the other bills offered up to Congress: removing the FCC's rules regarding customer privacy so as to allow your cable & ISP company to sell your data to any other company who asks...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/03/02/fcc-sets-aside-new-net-data-privacy-rule/98599438/

Stuff like this not covered so much by Fox, is it?  

It does not allow businesses to demand your DNA. And you know it. The bill allows for requests by employers in regards to health programs and voluntary participation by employees. This continues to enjoy Federal protections for employees in regards to privacy.

This is the relevant part of the bill.
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:42%20section:2000ff-1%20edition:prelim)

Bunk.  Pure, absolute head-in-the-sand bunk - apparently you can't read clauses in bills.  So, let me play it back for you:

Section 3:

(b) Collection of information.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the collection of information about the manifested disease or disorder of a family member shall not be considered an unlawful acquisition of genetic information with respect to another family member as part of a workplace wellness program described in paragraph (1) or (2) offered by an employer (or in conjunction with an employer-sponsored health plan described in section 2705(j) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300gg–4(j))) and shall not violate title I or title II of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 (Public Law 110–233).

For purposes of the preceding sentence, the term “family member” has the meaning given such term in section 201 of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (Public Law 110–233).

In other words, if your reading comprehension is high enough, collecting "genetic material" is currently banned by section 202(b)(2) of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008

(http://uscode.house.gov/quicksearch/get.plx?title=42&section=2000ff-1)

but this bill will remove that limitation.  Therefore granting employers the right to collect DNA samples as long as it is for the purpose of "wellness programs", via this new loophole in GINA.

Your FCC drivel is really a temporary stay on the implementation of FCC rules regarding privacy because it conflicts with Federal Trade Commission rules. They want to standardize the policies hence the temporary stay on the implementation of the current rule.  So you  deliberately lead us astray there too. No one is removing FCC privacy rules.  And this isn't congressional. The FCC is under the Executive branch.

Yes, that is the stated case, to simplify potentially contradictory rules.  What people are worried about is that this is an opening shot - where to go from here once a rule already cleared has been stopped.  

In case you missed it, because I'm sure you did, FCC chairmain Pai has already rolled back the plan to force cable companies to allow personal cable box ownership

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fcc+pai+cable+box&t=ffsb&ia=web

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/fcc-chairman-pai-takes-wheelers-set-top-box-plan-off-the-table/

Pai is also seeking to roll back net neutrality, the rules that say that ISP cannot charge based upon what data the customer is accessing

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/28/fcc-chairman-calls-net-neutrality-a-mistake/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqnnsFiiIwY

So plan on your costs going up, and possibly, quality going down.  For example, in another case you probably didn't know:

Verizon for example was given tax breaks and subsidies in a tradeoff to install high speed internet in PA, NY and NJ.  Verizon took the money...and didn't do the install.  

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160914/06090135513/new-york-city-threatens-to-sue-verizon-failure-to-meet-fiber-deployment-promises.shtml

In actuality, Verizon was playing games - they intentionally did not service their older copper lines, even if current customers on the system demanded or needed it, in an effort to steer/force them towards their more expensive...and, yet, subsidized...high speed & wireless systems

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=verizon+fails+to+service+copper&t=ffsb&ia=web

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/10/verizon-workers-can-now-be-fired-if-they-fix-copper-phone-lines/

So, according to Pai, we're supposed to trust Big Business cable, ISP's and cell phone companies to do what is best for us.  Because of "competition" (yeah, because no industry ever colluded, eh?)

The new FCC chairman, who states that no-extra-charge internet ("net neutrality") is a bad idea, says "Don't worry, I'll make things less complicated" and we're supposed to trust him that "less complicated" does not mean "better for cable companies to charge as they please"?

Ah. The constant naivete of the pro-corporatist conservative.

[dinosnake]

Why does anyone think I would give a crap who has health insurance when I have to struggle to pay mine when I dont use it.

Very Christ like of you.

2 Thessalonians 3
6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.

Thank you for recognizing it  

• Matthew 19:23-26
  
  And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
• Timothy 6:9-12
  
  But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs. But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

And

• Matthew 6:1-34
  
  “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
  

I'm sorry: if you think you can pull up an occasional quote from the Bible in an attempt to support a position that "God helps those who help themselves"...you're going to lose.

MISERABLY

[Moonshot_1]

You missed the latest one from the current GOP-controlled Congress: they proposed a bill to allow businesses to demand DNA testing of their employees, under the guise of proactive health, and employees that refuse can get their health insurance costs spiked anywhere from 30% to 50%

http://fortune.com/2017/03/10/genetic-testing-workplace-wellness-bill/

So how do you feel about other people demanding your DNA?

We also won't discuss the other bills offered up to Congress: removing the FCC's rules regarding customer privacy so as to allow your cable & ISP company to sell your data to any other company who asks...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/03/02/fcc-sets-aside-new-net-data-privacy-rule/98599438/

Stuff like this not covered so much by Fox, is it?  

It does not allow businesses to demand your DNA. And you know it. The bill allows for requests by employers in regards to health programs and voluntary participation by employees. This continues to enjoy Federal protections for employees in regards to privacy.

This is the relevant part of the bill.
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:42%20section:2000ff-1%20edition:prelim)

Bunk.  Pure, absolute head-in-the-sand bunk - apparently you can't read clauses in bills.  So, let me play it back for you:

Section 3:

(b) Collection of information.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the collection of information about the manifested disease or disorder of a family member shall not be considered an unlawful acquisition of genetic information with respect to another family member as part of a workplace wellness program described in paragraph (1) or (2) offered by an employer (or in conjunction with an employer-sponsored health plan described in section 2705(j) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300gg–4(j))) and shall not violate title I or title II of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 (Public Law 110–233).

For purposes of the preceding sentence, the term “family member” has the meaning given such term in section 201 of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (Public Law 110–233).

In other words, if your reading comprehension is high enough, collecting "genetic material" is currently banned by section 202(b)(2) of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008

(http://uscode.house.gov/quicksearch/get.plx?title=42&section=2000ff-1)

but this bill will remove that limitation.  Therefore granting employers the right to collect DNA samples as long as it is for the purpose of "wellness programs", via this new loophole in GINA.

Your FCC drivel is really a temporary stay on the implementation of FCC rules regarding privacy because it conflicts with Federal Trade Commission rules. They want to standardize the policies hence the temporary stay on the implementation of the current rule.  So you  deliberately lead us astray there too. No one is removing FCC privacy rules.  And this isn't congressional. The FCC is under the Executive branch.

Yes, that is the stated case, to simplify potentially contradictory rules.  What people are worried about is that this is an opening shot - where to go from here once a rule already cleared has been stopped.  

In case you missed it, because I'm sure you did, FCC chairmain Pai has already rolled back the plan to force cable companies to allow personal cable box ownership

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fcc+pai+cable+box&t=ffsb&ia=web

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/fcc-chairman-pai-takes-wheelers-set-top-box-plan-off-the-table/

Pai is also seeking to roll back net neutrality, the rules that say that ISP cannot charge based upon what data the customer is accessing

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/28/fcc-chairman-calls-net-neutrality-a-mistake/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqnnsFiiIwY

So plan on your costs going up, and possibly, quality going down.  For example, in another case you probably didn't know:

Verizon for example was given tax breaks and subsidies in a tradeoff to install high speed internet in PA, NY and NJ.  Verizon took the money...and didn't do the install.  

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160914/06090135513/new-york-city-threatens-to-sue-verizon-failure-to-meet-fiber-deployment-promises.shtml

In actuality, Verizon was playing games - they intentionally did not service their older copper lines, even if current customers on the system demanded or needed it, in an effort to steer/force them towards their more expensive...and, yet, subsidized...high speed & wireless systems

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=verizon+fails+to+service+copper&t=ffsb&ia=web

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/10/verizon-workers-can-now-be-fired-if-they-fix-copper-phone-lines/

So, according to Pai, we're supposed to trust Big Business cable, ISP's and cell phone companies to do what is best for us.  Because of "competition" (yeah, because no industry ever colluded, eh?)

The new FCC chairman, who states that no-extra-charge internet ("net neutrality") is a bad idea, says "Don't worry, I'll make things less complicated" and we're supposed to trust him that "less complicated" does not mean "better for cable companies to charge as they please"?

Ah. The constant naivete of the pro-corporatist conservative.

Cherry pick it all you want. But in the start of b)it states "Notwithstanding any other provision of law"
and there are other provisions within the law limiting employers one of which is consent by the employee.

And the link you posted about the FCC was about a temporary stay. Find all the bogey men you want.

[Robert]

The answer to your question is we have been paying for people who don't have insurance for decades. When someone goes to the E.R. we as a society pay for it. If you know a way of getting around that, I'm all ears. I'm sure you don't want mandated insurance such as "Obamacare". As far as you paying for your insurance when you don't even use it. I kind of think that's how insurance works. God forbid you would come down with an illness where you would collect on your insurance. I doubt that would make you feel better. I have concern for your health insurance and your financial situation. They are not mutually exclusive from having concern for the poor single mom working at Walmart trying to provide for her family. Single Payer would alleviate your issues of having to pay for others insurance and not being able to collect on yours. But I doubt you are in favor of that.
 I have rarely been on the high ground of anything. I KNOW I am a flawed man. But I am trying to be more Christlike. You might consider that the next time before you make such a self centered statement.

Good, Its not only paying for insurance when I dont use it but its the fact that I pay for someone else's insurance. Without Obama care insurance costs were lower. My insurance went up 1k a month. I was making a point that we hear all the time about poor people not being able to afford insurance. I am personally sick of this when I see the flaws in Obama care and people I personally know cannot get it because they make to little and some just over the cutoff for supplement cannot get it. So who is it for? I see people struggle everyday and there is no help, I'm sure you see some around you also. I see a system that talks about all these disadvantaged people and I see money coming out of me personally and others, yet I also see that people working and just making it cannot afford health insurance, dentists,and some of the other things they need and yet still are hit with a penalty. What about these middle class people who are working, who are doing what they need to do, that just scrap by and then get hit with a penalty.

  The government has shown it cannot manage or help very many. They have shown it with the Tarp money that failed to protect those loosing houses. They show it with Obama Care that only works for a select group of people and then high deductibles make in unworkable again, then with penalties, taxes that we get next to noting for and the loss of social security that was supposed to be a fiduciary account that was not to be touched and earned interest and yet we see the politicians raping it to the point it not funded anymore. At some point you would like to see that the money that you are paying out is actually going for something that is of benefit to someone. I personally know at least 20 people who are middle class that cannot afford health insurance. I know personally about 10 people who lost houses without any help from government. Even though they said there was help available under Obama the great crusader for someones freedoms but not the middle class.  I see the middle class shrinking and small businesses not being started because the costs are too high. How about a simple change in the health care that the insurance companies have to give the discount they give to big businesses to small businesses? That one thing would have assured health care for most everyone. But they dont give group discounts to businesses that dont have a certain number of people. The government offers policies and promotions but they are very one sided and non inclusive that is how they keep the middle class from the benefits that these on welfare and social programs get. I see big business pay little taxes and I see rich people pay little taxes or if they do the proportion is so much less. Not because of a lower tax rate but because of certain deductibles. We could go into the failed welfare programs, those that should not receive money from the government do get tax breaks and paid for non US children but if we keep this on these topics then it will be a start to understanding that its not that US people including myself dont want to help, but if I am being taxed and taken advantage of at every turn, then see people who have no money getting what some cannot afford then that pisses me off.

Then we have the liberals who somehow dont seem to see the middle class and these I have mentioned suffering because somehow through some miracle manage to have a roof over their head and most of the time food on the table and clothes on their back. But they have to scramble each day to make that happen just like myself and you for that matter when with a change in rules and programs there could be more than enough to go around for everyone.

As for Jesus and what you think you know let me ask you a question not only to you but to Dino also. HE said you will always have the poor but you will not always have me. Jesus had the ability to tell the apostle to go get a fish and look in its mouth and there will be a denari in its mouth and pay the tax for you and me. Jesus walked through towns and villages and healed the sick and saw the poor, YET not everyone was healed, Not everyone was taken out of poverty, Not everyone was changed.

Under the liberal mindset Jesus/God should have healed and provided for everyone but He didnt did He? So when you talk about Jesus and social programs make sure you understand what you are saying. IF God Himself left some in the condition they were in what makes you think that they should not be in that condition and we have to rescue everyone that does not do the right thing. The woman with the issue of blood fought to get her miracle over the crowd telling her no, over the apostles telling her No but she fought and touched the hem of Jesus garment and was healed by faith. Even with the thousands that were around Him touching Him. He knew the one that had touched Him even when there were thousands around clamoring for His blessing.

I and the middle class are not here to pay for everyone's evils and lack of efforts. Social programs and social systems are supposed to be a net that catches those that do the right thing or have a bad circumstance in their lives to help them out of it. Its not supposed to be something to live on like has happened. Its supposed to be run with the idea of helping those in need and not taxing those who pay to much. But with this corrupt goverment we see that they dont give a dam about those who pay and use those who need as isis use the human shields that they stickup in front to solicit a need. We pay, they cry poor, we get nothing and they are still poor. Well the well does one day run dry and before that happens I say cut off them that cannot run programs and cutoff the Federal Reserve and all the drains on the economy. Once that is done there will be more than enough to go around. WE finace our debt to the Federal Reserve and about 50 percent of every dollar is just debt service on a conservative thinking. Without this we would have no problem paying for all the social programs and such that everyone wants. But the liberals NEVER seem to grasp this idea and I as the middle class am sick and tired of it.

1 Timothy 5:18
For the Scripture says, "You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain." And in another place, "Those who work deserve their pay!"

 and lastly Dino you pulled the scriptures that talk about being rich and they go along with the love of money, I am not rich nor love money I am just wanting to pay my bills want those around me to be able live and pay their bills with dignity and pride and dont want what I have earned taken away by a corrupt and self serving government helping no one. This with changes in this country would be easy to do without loss in social programs that is what liberals such as yourself dont see.
 
    Jesus was killed for money by the pharisees and Saducees and Judas this is the love of money that would kill the Son of God and make people blind to what they had in front of them. Not so much different than today is it?

[The emperor has no clothes]

And yet it again, it's all about you. You miss the point time and again.
 Have a good day.

[Robert]

And yet it again, it's all about you. You miss the point time and again.
 Have a good day.

I think you miss the point

It is about me because its my money but its also about millions of others who are in the same boat that we hear no help except for Trump coming.

I would say civically that I am probably a more giving person than you for a comparison.

I pay a tithe to the church, I help a few children on a regular basis, I give to those who ask and I pay my bills and taxes, and I even help those who cannot pay much in my business, so let me ask you what do you give other than your government mandated stuff.

I say this not to infuriate but to repudiate that I don't see others like you say. Its to counter the claim of social indifference but what did you do to say you socially helped?

[The emperor has no clothes]

And yet it again, it's all about you. You miss the point time and again.
 Have a good day.

I think you miss the point

It is about me because its my money but its also about millions of others who are in the same boat that we hear no help except for Trump coming.

I would say civically that I am probably a more giving person than you for a comparison.

I pay a tithe to the church, I help a few children on a regular basis, I give to those who ask and I pay my bills and taxes, and I even help those who cannot pay much in my business, so let me ask you what do you give other than your government mandated stuff.

I say this not to infuriate but to repudiate that I don't see others like you say. Its to counter the claim of social indifference but what did you do to say you socially helped?

You may very well give more than I do. I have no way of knowing, nor is it any of my business. Is that what it's about with you ? For me it was about you making a unchristian like statement.
Continue on. I have nothing more to add.

[Robert]

And yet it again, it's all about you. You miss the point time and again.
 Have a good day.

I think you miss the point

It is about me because its my money but its also about millions of others who are in the same boat that we hear no help except for Trump coming.

I would say civically that I am probably a more giving person than you for a comparison.

I pay a tithe to the church, I help a few children on a regular basis, I give to those who ask and I pay my bills and taxes, and I even help those who cannot pay much in my business, so let me ask you what do you give other than your government mandated stuff.

I say this not to infuriate but to repudiate that I don't see others like you say. Its to counter the claim of social indifference but what did you do to say you socially helped?

You may very well give more than I do. I have no way of knowing, nor is it any of my business. Is that what it's about with you ? For me it was about you making a unchristian like statement.
Continue on. I have nothing more to add.

OK now I understand, So it doesn't matter I give, or that I know the bible probably better than you or that every point made is correct you just didn't like that to you I sounded unchristian like. Thank you for saying it so I understand but really I also explained that too. Not to mention actions speak louder than words.

[old2soon]

When I said I will in 1964 I WAS for all intents and purposes at the mercy or lack thereof of the gubmint. In Some ways-by no means all ways-I enjoyed some of what I was doing. In this instance the gubmint FORCING-I M H O-there is NO other word-insurance on every body. I for one was NEVER asked nor did I vote for it-FORCED insurance. We have brothers and sisters here on this board that were and continue to suffer hardships to their personal finances BECAUSE of the medical boondoggle known as obomacare. I have zero reason to doubt the hardships stated here mainly because most of them listed come from people that work and continue to work as hard as I did. I do NOT want t think of WHAT my coverage would have cost me or someone else had I NOT SERVED. Again-I M H O-gubmint has gotten too effin large! If you've ever had roaches you know how when the lights get turned on they run and hide? Seems to me the lights are gittin turned on in D C. RIDE SAFE.

[G-Man]

Why is Nancy Pelosi now saying we have to read the bill, rather than we have to pass the bill to find out whats in it. It pretty hard to be silent in light of this two faced approach to governing.

Same reason the left is complaining about Trump firing 1/2 the federal prosecutors when Clinton fired them all.    Or when Trump puts a 90 day slow down in people coming from countries deemed harmful, when all other administrations did the same exact thing, without being called racist and Islamophobic.     Same reason they call the Trump racist for speaking out against illegal immigration, when Obama and Clinton are on tape saying the EXACT SAME things, but were too cowardly to actually do something about it.   

Political hypocrisy is alive and well this time around, but I've never seen it taken to such extremes. 

Heard this on the radio this morning and not standing behind its accuracy..............  Flynn's conversation was taped, during the campaign, in his office within Trump Tower. 

I wish they would "leak" the conversation already.  If it's so incriminating, why are they waiting?  Why are they waiting on presenting the "evidence" i keep hearing about.  If they did, and there is evidence of Russian/Trump collusion, in anything at all, the people will demand his impeachment.  I will, and I'm behind him 100%, until I have a reason not to be.

[G-Man]

And yet it again, it's all about you. You miss the point time and again.
 Have a good day.

I think you miss the point

It is about me because its my money but its also about millions of others who are in the same boat that we hear no help except for Trump coming.

I would say civically that I am probably a more giving person than you for a comparison.

I pay a tithe to the church, I help a few children on a regular basis, I give to those who ask and I pay my bills and taxes, and I even help those who cannot pay much in my business, so let me ask you what do you give other than your government mandated stuff.

I say this not to infuriate but to repudiate that I don't see others like you say. Its to counter the claim of social indifference but what did you do to say you socially helped?

You may very well give more than I do. I have no way of knowing, nor is it any of my business. Is that what it's about with you ? For me it was about you making a unchristian like statement.
Continue on. I have nothing more to add.

You know, I'm not Christian, but 3/4 of my family is and I hear their love when they say grace before every meal we share together when we all get together.  From all I've heard and experienced, I don not believe that Jesus Christ, or God himself, would wish financial hardship on one person in order to provide, ANYTHING, to another.   I believe he would not make me lose my kids' college fund because the gov't created a lopsided law that only a small percentage of people are being forced to pay for.  I don't believe God would want me to have to make the choice of sending my kids to a thriving private school vs. a failing local public school, because my healthcare premiums cost more than tuition.

I'm sorry, healthcare is NOT a right.  And that neither IS, or ISN'T a Christian, Jewish, Hindu, etc. thing to say.  A "right" for one should never impede on another in any way, shape, or form.  That would mean one person's right is dependant upon another.  That is the opposite of what a right means. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Why does anyone think I would give a crap who has health insurance when I have to struggle to pay mine when I dont use it.

Very Christ like of you.

Gary, how does Roberts statement have anything to do with what you are saying ?

He made it pretty clear he doesn't care about others.

[Robert]

In the ABC TV Mini-series, Amerika, that aired from February 15-22, 1987, those that did not want to be part of the New Age or New World Order were called "resisters". They were the enemies of the government because they wanted to retain their individual freedom. The government DECLARED them to be the enemies. That is exactly why the Anti-terrorism bill was passed - so President Clinton could declare anyone that did not agree with his New World Order agenda as terrorists or ENEMIES of the state. Want proof?

The deputy chief of staff for intelligence at the Pentagon in 1994 was Major Ralph Peters. He wrote a position paper called Warrior Class. It stated:

    "The desire for patriotism [the sovereignty of our nation, our flag, our freedoms, and nationalism] is considered an ENEMY doctrine. The U.S. armed forces must be prepared  to fight against all those who OPPOSE the New World Order and who are holding out for nationalism. This new warrior class IS MOST DANGEROUS because they consist of those who fight out of STRONG RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. There is a worldwide calss of patriots who number in the millions, and if the current trend continues, they may be more of these who love FREEDOM and are now the target of the New World Order. You cannot bargain and compromise with these warrious. We, as the military, need to commit more training time to COUNTER these warrior threats. We must have an ACTIVE CAMPAIGN to win over the populace. This must be coupled with irresistible violence(22).

[Gavin_Sons]

Why does anyone think I would give a crap who has health insurance when I have to struggle to pay mine when I dont use it.

Very Christ like of you.

Gary, how does Roberts statement have anything to do with what you are saying ?

He made it pretty clear he doesn't care about others.

Thought you had nothing more to add? I don't think you added anything to begin with. Just stirring the pot.