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[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

You being a Korean War Veteran I'm curious what do you think about that waterhead Kim Jong and what's happening now . What should we do ?   Always enjoy the stories you share and looking forward to reading your thoughts on this .

[solo1]

Joe, I was just a corporal and didn't know sh**

What I know today is that South Korea is the only country that welcomes Veterans like me with a free seven night six day free revisit. They also pay half of the airfare from the US to South Korea. They are grateful.

What worries me is that North Korea has 8,000 heavy artillery guns within easy range of the capitol of South Korea, Seoul. This is a fact that I know!  There are millions of people living in Seoul. The death toll would be in the millions AND all of these artillery pieces are well dug in. IMO, there is no way that the US and its Allies could take them all out.

Nuclear weapons, IMO, should never be used anywhere. If they were used on N. Korea, fallout would end up in S. Korea. 

I would hope that we have a plan that would takeout that fat slob with the bad haircut but that could ruin all of Korea.  There is no easy answer form this dumb corporal.

At any rate, that crazy bastard needs to be stopped. A Nuclear topped ICBM under his control is intolerable.  Whatever it takes from us. During the Korean War, Eisenhower threatened the North Koreans AND China with a nuclear weapon if they didn't come to the table at Panmunjon.  Back then we were the only nuclear power but now...............

This is extremely serious and most people don't realize it.

[solo1]

Some additional thoughts.

The MOAB GBU massive bomb that was dropped in Afghanistan could have been a test to see what damage it could cause to 'dugin' fortifications.  If so, I wonder if a number of them could take out the N. Korean artillery aimed at Seoul.  The same could be said for Pyongang, the launching sites and nuclear facilities in N. Korea.

Since the MOAB was dropped by a vulnerable cargo plane, I would think that there must be  air superiority and a sophisticated means to take out ground to air missle sites too.

All of this would have to be a preemptive strike, IMO. Since the Korean War ended in a truce signing, I would think that a preemptive strike would be ok under international law due to  a sleeping war status.

Now all of this would need to be done in secrecy and probably with help only from Japan and South Korea.  What are the odds of leaks?

All of these presumptions are made assuming china and Russia sitting on their collective asses.   China does NOT want a country with a government even remotely similar to South Korea's on their border.
They LIKE N. Korea.

If something like this was successful,  where would we get occupying troops to 'mop up'  The previous POTUS has sequestered the hell out of the Army and Marines.

Please take all of this with a measure of sodium as I don't know S*** as i mentioned.

wayne

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Joe, I was just a corporal and didn't know sh**

What I know today is that South Korea is the only country that welcomes Veterans like me with a free seven night six day free revisit. They also pay half of the airfare from the US to South Korea. They are grateful.

What worries me is that North Korea has 8,000 heavy artillery guns within easy range of the capitol of South Korea, Seoul. This is a fact that I know!  There are millions of people living in Seoul. The death toll would be in the millions AND all of these artillery pieces are well dug in. IMO, there is no way that the US and its Allies could take them all out.

Nuclear weapons, IMO, should never be used anywhere. If they were used on N. Korea, fallout would end up in S. Korea. 

I would hope that we have a plan that would takeout that fat slob with the bad haircut but that could ruin all of Korea.  There is no easy answer form this dumb corporal.

At any rate, that crazy bastard needs to be stopped. A Nuclear topped ICBM under his control is intolerable.  Whatever it takes from us. During the Korean War, Eisenhower threatened the North Koreans AND China with a nuclear weapon if they didn't come to the table at Panmunjon.  Back then we were the only nuclear power but now...............

This is extremely serious and most people don't realize it.

Thanks for sharing .... I'm thinking a well place bullet from a 50 cal. sniper would be a great start.

[old2soon]

Some Special Operators with excellent intel on a late night early A M missions similar to the raghead sumbitch the Seals took out. Maybe Trump could ask Putin if his Spetznaz is up to it? I'm thinkin a Special Op Might be the ONLY Viable solution cuz WE-U S of A-Do NOT want South Korea hurt in anyway shape or form cuz of the richard head turd in charge North of them. Course I'm only an Ex Navy 3d Class Petty Officer of the Airedale persuasion.  Had I been trained as a Special Operator and were a bit younger I'd Beg Shamelessly for THAT Mission. RIDE SAFE.

[solo1]

I don't think that the arsehole would ever let any sniper get within two miles of him.  North Korea has military every where.

An inside job would work the best but if they would fail its feed'em to hungry dogs or blow them away with artillery at point blank range.

Probably wishful thinking on our part.

We could only hope that something like "Valkyrie' against Hitler, only more successful, would do the trick.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I don't think that the arsehole would ever let any sniper get within two miles of him.  North Korea has military every where.

An inside job would work the best but if they would fail its feed'em to hungry dogs or blow them away with artillery at point blank range.

Probably wishful thinking on our part.

We could only hope that something like "Valkyrie' against Hitler, only more successful, would do the trick.

   Fingers crossed that Trump does the right move..  With him I'm sometimes " HELL YEAH " and other times " WTF" .

[solo1]

Joe, I really think that he'll listen to his military and other advisors.

Can you imagine what the previous POTUS would do?  Maybe draw two or three lines in the sand.

[Willow]

It seems to sound really tough to propose assassinating a rogue national leader but I don't really think we want to start down that path.  There are measures we should and can take to limit the options of a rogue.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

It seems to sound really tough to propose assassinating a rogue national leader but I don't really think we want to start down that path.  There are measures we should and can take to limit the options of a rogue.

  I think as long as the prick is sucking air he is a threat. Where is Chuck Norris when needed 

[old2soon]

It seems to sound really tough to propose assassinating a rogue national leader but I don't really think we want to start down that path.  There are measures we should and can take to limit the options of a rogue.

  I think as long as the prick is sucking air he is a threat. Where is Chuck Norris when needed 

                 Chuck got/gittin old.  Like a Lot of us!  RIDE SAFE.

[Oss]

IMHO we need to start playing russia against china and explaining that
N Korea can already drop nuclear weapons on both Russia (think the big naval base at Vladivostok or even take out their ability to get Arctic oil and can drop a big one on Beijing

The master of the deal needs to stop tweeting and start laying foundation for machiavillian shEet   Nukes fallout will land on alaska and canada and eventually the northeast  not an option

I like the idea of dropping stuff from space on the little prick's palace
the kinetic energy will vaporize his ass and anything else within miles

oops my bad

[scooperhsd]

The problem with that prick in N Korea is there are lots of "options" we could do - but they all have drawbacks / complications of their own. Some one was pointing out the MOAB - and correctly said it is only useful in an air superiority situation. - and it probably can't be used a a first strike weapon - which makes it useless against the dug in artillery.

Our airforces probably have both training and technology on their side - but NK probably has local number superiority and the advantage of fighting over homeland. What this would mean is that a shot down air crew in NK for them would mean just get then another plane - it would probably mean POWs for us.

Not only Nuc's, but also biological / chemical weapons should be last resort only.

What would be really cool is if we could shoot down their ballistic missles as they were launching.

[Moonshot_1]

As previously posted by some of you, there are no real viable options here.

We are all viewing this from the cheap seats. I am too, so this is from that perspective.

Militarily, this comes down to the first strike. It must be a N. Korean first strike to open up options for the US and our allies in the region. I mean N. Korea must actually strike, on purpose, an actual target somewhere in the US or one of our Pacific theater allies, and not just shoot the Pacific Ocean.

If we commit to a first strike, we own it. All of it. Including any destruction of Seoul which could be extensive in a military battle. Don't want that.

It is likely that N. Korea would rapidly collapse if engaged in a war, but that is not certain. The reports of starvation and lack of basic necessities is well known. I do not think the N. Koreans could put up a sustainable effort, but it is the initial effort that is concerning and could prove devastating to the South.

I don't see the dynamics that began this war still to be in play. The cold war is long over. The two Koreas at the time were equivalent in social standing, economics, and military and political power. South Korea has eclipsed the North in all these attributes.  When it comes to the outside influences of the US, China, and Russia, the model has changed considerably and yet, in some respects, stayed remarkably the same.

If there needs to be a short term "fix", the answer is to have Kim killed. Probably don't matter who gets credit. It is important that the N. Korean government, and its military stay as intact as possible. They still need the garbage picked up and the stray dogs kenneled. If there are any left.

But until they start actually shooting at folks it is best to leave our guns holstered.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Everything about this situation is bad and I think most of the pitfalls have been mentioned above.

I do see a couple of unmentioned dangers though. The first is, if his first strike against us is a successful EMP attack we could all be living the Amish dream, possibly for years. The mass starvation here would be devastating and I suspect many of our enemies in the world would see such an attack as the time to move against us.

We probably no longer have the resources to fight a war on multiple fronts, and much less so if we are experiencing a mass disaster here at home. Since we are sure to be building our military back up in the next few years, this would be the time to start WW3 if you see us as an enemy.

Second, what if his real goal is to hit Yellowstone with a nuke? I have no idea if that would trigger an eruption and maybe the idea is absurd, but if it did....

I don't know what is riskier, trying to take him out or trying to wait it out. Either way, he's an unpredictable nut-job whose minions will never tell him the truth because he would kill them for telling him anything he didn't want to hear. Which, I  think, makes him far more likely to pull the trigger and start a war. I see no good answers to this dilemma.

[Jess from VA]

Nothing to add, except you can bet your bipee there are a dozen or so Oplans in the drawer for dealing with Nkorea.  Except they're probably not in the drawer, they are out on the desk and being looked at carefully as we speak.

[Hooter]

As a wise man once said: "to do nothing shows a sign of weakness".

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Good comments all ... Thanks for the response men 

[scooperhsd]

Nothing to add, except you can bet your bipee there are a dozen or so Oplans in the drawer for dealing with Nkorea.  Except they're probably not in the drawer, they are out on the desk and being looked at carefully as we speak.

Probably every major command has them out, dusted off and poring over them to update them for known (and suspected) changes in their threats. You can also bet your last dollar that every military person in the area is seeing an uptick in readiness training.

[solo1]

Whatever happens this probably will become totally meaningless

[RDKLL]

A great thread...thanks everyone. I agree we are viewing from the cheap seats but enough info to get us thinking.
Love Slim Pickins

[G-Man]

I remember watching the bombs go straight down Gadaffi's chimney on the evening news.  Too bad nobody was home.  But it did shut him up for the next 20 years.

Why can't we just do cool stuff like that?   

[scooperhsd]

You mean like put a MOAB  on/in his palace before exploding it ?

[Serk]

Whatever happens this probably will become totally meaningless

Fixed the image for ya'...

And what was done, the sacrifices that were made, might become irrelevant due to changes, but never meaningless. *Salute sir*

[Serk]

I remember watching the bombs go straight down Gadaffi's chimney on the evening news.  Too bad nobody was home.  But it did shut him up for the next 20 years.

Why can't we just do cool stuff like that?   

Because they've had generations to set up dead man switches and paranoid (Is it paranoid if they are out to get ya'?) artillery batteries that could within minutes obliterate the 16th largest city on Earth within around 25,000,000 living in the metro area.

Seoul is only 35 miles from the DMZ. Easily in range for a punishing barrage if the North Koreans suspect they're under attack.

It's a classic Mexican Stand Off but with millions of people involved instead of just a few.