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« on: July 17, 2017, 06:33:27 PM »

https://www.yahoo.com/news/australian-woman-killed-minneapolis-police-shooting-081638995.html

cameras off {isn't that convenient ?}

please note the NAMES of the people involved

I smell a rat on this one

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 06:48:31 PM »

This is indeed tragic.

The officer shot through the door.

Sounds like it could have been accidental, like he had the gun ready and fired by mistake.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 04:32:32 AM »

If reporting is accurate, he shot through the door opposite where he was sitting where an accompanying officer was sitting.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 08:13:09 AM »

If reporting is accurate, he shot through the door opposite where he was sitting where an accompanying officer was sitting.

Which means the bullet passed mere inches, or less, in front of his partner!

Wonder if the partner is now deaf in his right ear?

What could the woman possible been doing, that caused him to so fear her, that he almost shoots his partner instead?  I think there is going to be a BIG lawsuit, and BIG awards.  Unless something comes up, there should be charges filed too.

"Fear for his life"? From a woman in her pajamas, talking to your partner thru an open window, and the partner is not afraid?  Huh? Paranoid maybe?
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2017, 08:25:52 AM »

If reporting is accurate, he shot through the door opposite where he was sitting where an accompanying officer was sitting.

Which means the bullet passed mere inches, or less, in front of his partner!

Wonder if the partner is now deaf in his right ear?

What could the woman possible been doing, that caused him to so fear her, that he almost shoots his partner instead?  I think there is going to be a BIG lawsuit, and BIG awards.  Unless something comes up, there should be charges filed too.

"Fear for his life"? From a woman in her pajamas, talking to your partner thru an open window, and the partner is not afraid?  Huh? Paranoid maybe?
               I HOPE blood and urine were taken from this leo A S A P after this shooting. I also HOPE her Family gits a Barrister that the mere mention of his name causes the city attorneys to kaka green in their Dr. dentons. Was this pretty lady approaching the squad with a sawed off shotgun/a bazooka/an M 1 A 1 Abrams/an A P C/a machine gun/a Desert Eagle? Yeah-didn't think so. I AM really curious zackly HOW this will play out in the coming days/weeks/months/years/ever! RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2017, 08:30:13 AM »

This was a tragic event indeed.

One that is very hard NOT to armchair quarterback.

There are way too many unanswered questions here to make an accurate assessment about what happened.

Based on what information that we do have it certainly doesn't look good for the police,

In time the truth  will come out.

Hopefully, the investigators will do the right thing and let the chips fall wherever they may.  
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2017, 08:52:40 AM »

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So often so many of us rush to judgement based upon the meager information present to us in an initial "news" report. 

My anticipation is that it will be found to be an accidental discharge.  Doesn't make it right.  Doesn't make it hurt the victim's family less.  Doesn't let the officer or department off the hook if it turns out that way.

My prediction certainly could be wrong.  I await further facts.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 09:01:35 AM »

One thing that surprised me about this was I initially read that the cop-cams had been turned off, but on further reading it seems the cop-cams used here default to off, it's up to the officers to make a proactive action to turn them on if things are getting interesting. (The camera will then start recording including a 30 second buffer before recording was initiated.)

I'm a big fan of cop-cams, it seems they exonerate the officers far more often than they condemn them, they really help cut down on the "he said she said" but, having one that required proactive action to turn on seems silly, they need to be on all the time and give the officer the option for shutting them off for privacy moments only (Think bathroom)

(In other words, the cameras should default to on, turn off as needed, not default to off, turn on as needed. In a high stress social situation turning the camera on is about the last thing on someone's mind!)

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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 09:34:19 AM »

from initial reports, she is the one who called 911 and was talking to the officer telling him why she called etc.   the cop who shot the lady is a somalia muslim.
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2017, 09:54:14 AM »

I sure won't believe any initial views by the media. I do not trust the media, especially in the technical aspect when reporting a shooting.

I recently read transcripts from the Zimmerman trial written by someone who I do trust,  Massad Ayoob. (if you don't know him, google him).  A real eye opener. Nothing like what the media reported. The deck was stacked against Zimmerman because of the media's obsession with black vs white. AND Zimmerman wasn't even white!

I won't even talk about Ferguson. Guilty until proven innocent but still guilty.

Generally most cases where an LEO shoots someone other than a white person, the playing field is NEVER level.  The media and biased pols see to that.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2017, 09:55:22 AM »

There is something rotten about this. While details are scarce, what is known and what I can't get past is that both officers did not have their body cameras on despite the policy to do so. That while in the car, an officer, with no provocation, drew his weapon, released the safety, and discharged the weapon.

A couple of bozos screwing around I could buy, but professional law enforcement? No. Something really stinks here.  
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2017, 10:08:05 AM »

In his short time with the Minneapolis Police, Mohamed Noor has had three complaints filed against him – two that are still open. The other was closed and Noor wasn’t disciplined.

http://pamelageller.com/2017/07/audia-911-muslim-migrant-cop-shooting.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/18/mohamed-noor-somali-american-cop-who-allegedly-shot-jessica-damond-lauded-by-community.html
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2017, 10:45:47 AM »

There is something rotten about this. While details are scarce, what is known and what I can't get past is that both officers did not have their body cameras on despite the policy to do so. That while in the car, an officer, with no provocation, drew his weapon, released the safety, and discharged the weapon.

A couple of bozos screwing around I could buy, but professional law enforcement? No. Something really stinks here.  

Don't know the brand of fire arm the officer carryed. many of the fire arms LEO carry do not have a safety other than " finger out side of trigger garded". Think Glock.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2017, 01:42:59 PM »

I'm still leaning towards this was an accidental discharge.

Terrible for all involved.

An officer having 2 open cases against him doesn't change the facts of this situation.

My brother works for a large city police dept in the Internal Affairs Dept.  It's not like what Hollywood depicts it.  The thing I remember him saying is, the amount of fraudulent complaints is staggering.  And an investigation is started on each.  Most don't get very far before being closed for plain old BS and all most all are found to have no grounds to stand on.  Use your own opinion here, but he told me the Dept wants bad cops out.

I'm thinking these 2 officers were on scene of a possible assault rape, late at night, in the dark, when the victim approached the cruiser.  The passenger officer had his gun out for quick defense, which in light of the way things are going in our society, I don't blame him.   Maybe his dept will blame him for that, but I won't.

She was talking with the driver officer, when the passenger officer discharged his gun, possibly while securing it.  Obviously, he did not follow safety guidelines and did not have his weapon facing down or away.  He will have to live with that.

It's a tragedy, especially because she was young, getting married, a plus to our society and seems to be all good.

But my take on the officer is the same, he is a peace officer first and Somali-American second.

Seeing as the body-cams must be activated by the officer to record.  It seems the officers did not feel they needed them on.

I also am of the opinion that body-cams are a plus for the officers, weeding out civilian BS.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2017, 01:53:59 PM »

I'm still leaning towards this was an accidental discharge.

Insert standard disclaimers here, but initial reports I've been reading from a few different sources say he discharged it multiple times...

A single shot I could see as a negligent discharge, but multiple shots would be much harder to explain away as unintentional...

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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2017, 02:10:19 PM »

I'm still leaning towards this was an accidental discharge.

Terrible for all involved.

An officer having 2 open cases against him doesn't change the facts of this situation.

My brother works for a large city police dept in the Internal Affairs Dept.  It's not like what Hollywood depicts it.  The thing I remember him saying is, the amount of fraudulent complaints is staggering.  And an investigation is started on each.  Most don't get very far before being closed for plain old BS and all most all are found to have no grounds to stand on.  Use your own opinion here, but he told me the Dept wants bad cops out.

I'm thinking these 2 officers were on scene of a possible assault rape, late at night, in the dark, when the victim approached the cruiser.  The passenger officer had his gun out for quick defense, which in light of the way things are going in our society, I don't blame him.   Maybe his dept will blame him for that, but I won't.

She was talking with the driver officer, when the passenger officer discharged his gun, possibly while securing it.  Obviously, he did not follow safety guidelines and did not have his weapon facing down or away.  He will have to live with that.

It's a tragedy, especially because she was young, getting married, a plus to our society and seems to be all good.

But my take on the officer is the same, he is a peace officer first and Somali-American second.

Seeing as the body-cams must be activated by the officer to record.  It seems the officers did not feel they needed them on.

I also am of the opinion that body-cams are a plus for the officers, weeding out civilian BS.

muslims are a muslim first everything else is secondary.  first rule of gun safety, finger not on trigger. why would his finger be on the trigger?
she wasn't the victim she is the one who called 911 concerned that a woman was being rapped/beaten, something muslims believe is ok to do to a non-muslim woman. european judges have let a few go free because they claimed they had a sexual emergency per their religion, meaning no wife and no animal around.
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2017, 02:35:46 PM »

I'm still leaning towards this was an accidental discharge.

Insert standard disclaimers here, but initial reports I've been reading from a few different sources say he discharged it multiple times...

A single shot I could see as a negligent discharge, but multiple shots would be much harder to explain away as unintentional...


I haven't seen that reported, obviously that changes everything.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2017, 02:52:38 PM »

I'm still leaning towards this was an accidental discharge.

Terrible for all involved.

An officer having 2 open cases against him doesn't change the facts of this situation.

My brother works for a large city police dept in the Internal Affairs Dept.  It's not like what Hollywood depicts it.  The thing I remember him saying is, the amount of fraudulent complaints is staggering.  And an investigation is started on each.  Most don't get very far before being closed for plain old BS and all most all are found to have no grounds to stand on.  Use your own opinion here, but he told me the Dept wants bad cops out.

I'm thinking these 2 officers were on scene of a possible assault rape, late at night, in the dark, when the victim approached the cruiser.  The passenger officer had his gun out for quick defense, which in light of the way things are going in our society, I don't blame him.   Maybe his dept will blame him for that, but I won't.

She was talking with the driver officer, when the passenger officer discharged his gun, possibly while securing it.  Obviously, he did not follow safety guidelines and did not have his weapon facing down or away.  He will have to live with that.

It's a tragedy, especially because she was young, getting married, a plus to our society and seems to be all good.

But my take on the officer is the same, he is a peace officer first and Somali-American second.

Seeing as the body-cams must be activated by the officer to record.  It seems the officers did not feel they needed them on.

I also am of the opinion that body-cams are a plus for the officers, weeding out civilian BS.

muslims are a muslim first everything else is secondary.  first rule of gun safety, finger not on trigger. why would his finger be on the trigger?
she wasn't the victim she is the one who called 911 concerned that a woman was being rapped/beaten, something muslims believe is ok to do to a non-muslim woman. european judges have let a few go free because they claimed they had a sexual emergency per their religion, meaning no wife and no animal around.
  I get all that and my reference of her being a victim was in relation to the shooting, not the call.

I don't feel we can judge by what european judges do, our system has to handle it, but that will come out in the wash. 

Raping/beating women (or anyone) is not ok here and the officer was supposedly sworn in too follow our laws.  If not, or if he disobeys that sworn duty, then it's all on him and his superiors.

We have to let the officials do what they do, but I'll bet this will get some serious federal attention.

Basically, the whole thing sucks.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2017, 02:56:28 PM »

Are we that desperate for new cops that we will take a Somali immigrant and fail to remove him from field duty after so many complaints.  I know we don't want to hurt their feelings.

I hope murder charges are forthcoming!
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2017, 03:11:09 PM »

The city's Mayor has given the investigation over to the state.

Minnesota Department of Public Safety Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is in charge.

The Mayor has asked for a quick investigation.

When the truth comes out, if this officer did indeed murder this unarmed women, I hope they fry him.

Unfortunately, Minnesota is a non death penalty state.
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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2017, 03:15:17 PM »

My deepest hope for this case is that the truth is found, justice is served, and the family finds peace.

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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2017, 03:50:29 PM »

I'm still leaning towards this was an accidental discharge.

Terrible for all involved.

An officer having 2 open cases against him doesn't change the facts of this situation.

My brother works for a large city police dept in the Internal Affairs Dept.  It's not like what Hollywood depicts it.  The thing I remember him saying is, the amount of fraudulent complaints is staggering.  And an investigation is started on each.  Most don't get very far before being closed for plain old BS and all most all are found to have no grounds to stand on.  Use your own opinion here, but he told me the Dept wants bad cops out.

I'm thinking these 2 officers were on scene of a possible assault rape, late at night, in the dark, when the victim approached the cruiser.  The passenger officer had his gun out for quick defense, which in light of the way things are going in our society, I don't blame him.   Maybe his dept will blame him for that, but I won't.

She was talking with the driver officer, when the passenger officer discharged his gun, possibly while securing it.  Obviously, he did not follow safety guidelines and did not have his weapon facing down or away.  He will have to live with that.

It's a tragedy, especially because she was young, getting married, a plus to our society and seems to be all good.

But my take on the officer is the same, he is a peace officer first and Somali-American second.

Seeing as the body-cams must be activated by the officer to record.  It seems the officers did not feel they needed them on.

I also am of the opinion that body-cams are a plus for the officers, weeding out civilian BS.


muslims are a muslim first everything else is secondary.  first rule of gun safety, finger not on trigger. why would his finger be on the trigger?
she wasn't the victim she is the one who called 911 concerned that a woman was being rapped/beaten, something muslims believe is ok to do to a non-muslim woman. european judges have let a few go free because they claimed they had a sexual emergency per their religion, meaning no wife and no animal around.
  I get all that and my reference of her being a victim was in relation to the shooting, not the call.

I don't feel we can judge by what european judges do, our system has to handle it, but that will come out in the wash. 

Raping/beating women (or anyone) is not ok here and the officer was supposedly sworn in too follow our laws.  If not, or if he disobeys that sworn duty, then it's all on him and his superiors.

We have to let the officials do what they do, but I'll bet this will get some serious federal attention.

Basically, the whole thing sucks.


 In the landmark 2010 pro-Sharia ruling on S.D. v. M.J.R., Judge Joseph Charles Jr. of New Jersey concluded that the Muslim ex-husband repeatedly had raped (see Taharrush) his Muslim ex-wife. After testimony from the Muslim man's imam, the judge denied the ex-wife's request for a permanent restraining order against her ex-husband, citing the Muslim man's "belief."
http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/america-sharia-law.html
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2017, 07:44:58 PM »

We-the U S of A already have LAWS. We have no need of nor use for sharia law or any other law non residents attempt to put into play here. The U S Navy was very clear that I was subject to the laws of what ever country I or anyone else broke them in. After that country was done with us-No Matter HOW long it took-U S Navy gits their shot at ya. I M H O sharia law here-U S of A-has no standing what so ever. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2017, 07:52:25 PM »

Separation of church and state

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2017, 08:25:41 PM »

My heart really goes out to that gals relatives and her fiance ! I think its pure bullshit that she is dead.
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2017, 03:32:31 AM »

Could you imagine if it was the other way around and a White, female officer had shot and killed a Black Muslim person. Minneapolis would be burning, there would be rioting in the streets, and all the hoodRats would have new sneakers, flatscreens and weaves.
Something smells really fishy about this one. The one question I have is how can you expect an officer to enforce laws that his religion tell him aren't against the law?????
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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2017, 03:41:41 AM »

NO body cams turned on, NO car cam on, NO initial information from police as to why. Officer Nor has made no statement on the incident and they cannot compel him either. The woman was in her pajamas on the drivers side and Nor on the passenger side, reached over and shot through the drivers door. That doesn't sound like an accident to me. 

 I have to question this lack of forth coming when the officer does not make a statement on the incident. This to me reflects his faith and mindset in doing his job. They should not have continued to have him on the force with his record or put him at a desk job. The other officer involved with the incident made a statement and the fact that Nor sent a condolence letter and did not make a statement reflects to me the values of this person. I also wonder if Nor was given a mental evaluation before he was accepted by the dept. Could this be another politically correct choice gone astray?

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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2017, 06:16:53 AM »

Current reports here are that the offices were responding to a report of shots being fired and the officer had his gun in his lap.  They had their windows rolled down, a bicyclist drove by them, they heard a banging noise possibly the bicyclist banging on the car then the woman popped into view, she was 5 houses down from her house in an alley. 

Not uncommon here for an office to refuse to give a statement when they've been involved in a shooting, they are not required to.  I sounds to me like a number of mistakes were made all around.

With all the ambushing of police officers today they are a little too much on edge.
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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2017, 06:19:40 AM »

Last nights news sead the officers were concerned about an ambush after not finding anything wrong in the area. " standard operating procedure "  is to have the fire arm on there lap
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2017, 06:31:49 AM »

Last nights news sead the officers were concerned about an ambush after not finding anything wrong in the area. " standard operating procedure "  is to have the fire arm on there lap

No doubt.  But, how does that go to shooting an unarmed female in her pajamas, who is talking to the driver?
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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2017, 06:42:36 AM »

Could you imagine if it was the other way around and a White, female officer had shot and killed a Black Muslim person. Minneapolis would be burning, there would be rioting in the streets, and all the hoodRats would have new sneakers, flatscreens and weaves.
Something smells really fishy about this one. The one question I have is how can you expect an officer to enforce laws that his religion tell him aren't against the law?????
I'm still leaning towards this was an accidental discharge.

Terrible for all involved.

An officer having 2 open cases against him doesn't change the facts of this situation.

My brother works for a large city police dept in the Internal Affairs Dept.  It's not like what Hollywood depicts it.  The thing I remember him saying is, the amount of fraudulent complaints is staggering.  And an investigation is started on each.  Most don't get very far before being closed for plain old BS and all most all are found to have no grounds to stand on.  Use your own opinion here, but he told me the Dept wants bad cops out.

I'm thinking these 2 officers were on scene of a possible assault rape, late at night, in the dark, when the victim approached the cruiser.  The passenger officer had his gun out for quick defense, which in light of the way things are going in our society, I don't blame him.   Maybe his dept will blame him for that, but I won't.

She was talking with the driver officer, when the passenger officer discharged his gun, possibly while securing it.  Obviously, he did not follow safety guidelines and did not have his weapon facing down or away.  He will have to live with that.

It's a tragedy, especially because she was young, getting married, a plus to our society and seems to be all good.

But my take on the officer is the same, he is a peace officer first and Somali-American second.

Seeing as the body-cams must be activated by the officer to record.  It seems the officers did not feel they needed them on.

I also am of the opinion that body-cams are a plus for the officers, weeding out civilian BS.


muslims are a muslim first everything else is secondary.  first rule of gun safety, finger not on trigger. why would his finger be on the trigger?
she wasn't the victim she is the one who called 911 concerned that a woman was being rapped/beaten, something muslims believe is ok to do to a non-muslim woman. european judges have let a few go free because they claimed they had a sexual emergency per their religion, meaning no wife and no animal around.
  I get all that and my reference of her being a victim was in relation to the shooting, not the call.

I don't feel we can judge by what european judges do, our system has to handle it, but that will come out in the wash. 

Raping/beating women (or anyone) is not ok here and the officer was supposedly sworn in too follow our laws.  If not, or if he disobeys that sworn duty, then it's all on him and his superiors.

We have to let the officials do what they do, but I'll bet this will get some serious federal attention.

Basically, the whole thing sucks.


 In the landmark 2010 pro-Sharia ruling on S.D. v. M.J.R., Judge Joseph Charles Jr. of New Jersey concluded that the Muslim ex-husband repeatedly had raped (see Taharrush) his Muslim ex-wife. After testimony from the Muslim man's imam, the judge denied the ex-wife's request for a permanent restraining order against her ex-husband, citing the Muslim man's "belief."
http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/america-sharia-law.html
I'm still leaning towards this was an accidental discharge.

Terrible for all involved.

An officer having 2 open cases against him doesn't change the facts of this situation.

My brother works for a large city police dept in the Internal Affairs Dept.  It's not like what Hollywood depicts it.  The thing I remember him saying is, the amount of fraudulent complaints is staggering.  And an investigation is started on each.  Most don't get very far before being closed for plain old BS and all most all are found to have no grounds to stand on.  Use your own opinion here, but he told me the Dept wants bad cops out.

I'm thinking these 2 officers were on scene of a possible assault rape, late at night, in the dark, when the victim approached the cruiser.  The passenger officer had his gun out for quick defense, which in light of the way things are going in our society, I don't blame him.   Maybe his dept will blame him for that, but I won't.

She was talking with the driver officer, when the passenger officer discharged his gun, possibly while securing it.  Obviously, he did not follow safety guidelines and did not have his weapon facing down or away.  He will have to live with that.

It's a tragedy, especially because she was young, getting married, a plus to our society and seems to be all good.

But my take on the officer is the same, he is a peace officer first and Somali-American second.

Seeing as the body-cams must be activated by the officer to record.  It seems the officers did not feel they needed them on.

I also am of the opinion that body-cams are a plus for the officers, weeding out civilian BS.


muslims are a muslim first everything else is secondary.  first rule of gun safety, finger not on trigger. why would his finger be on the trigger?
she wasn't the victim she is the one who called 911 concerned that a woman was being rapped/beaten, something muslims believe is ok to do to a non-muslim woman. european judges have let a few go free because they claimed they had a sexual emergency per their religion, meaning no wife and no animal around.


Very few people are as adamantly opposed to the tenements of Islam than I.

However, I am not inclined to blame the officer's actions on his religion at this time.

While the probability is high I'm not even 100% sure that he is a Muslim.

If any of the news articles have identified him as such I haven't seen it.

I'm leaning more towards incompetence or stupidity.
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« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2017, 07:42:27 AM »

Progressive hiring practices of MN and Minneapolis. First openly lesbian chief of police. Spaced out  stoned/governor. First Somali police officer in Mpls. Doesn't matter if they are mentally capable of performing the job or not. The officer that shot had 2 collage degrees. Business degree and something else. No degree in law enforcement. It's great he wanted to be a cop. Doesn't mean he should have been a cop.
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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2017, 08:04:15 AM »

Progressive hiring practices of MN and Minneapolis. First openly lesbian chief of police. Spaced out  stoned/governor. First Somali police officer in Mpls. Doesn't matter if they are mentally capable of performing the job or not. The officer that shot had 2 collage degrees. Business degree and something else. No degree in law enforcement. It's great he wanted to be a cop. Doesn't mean he should have been a cop.

Post 911 the Federal government made money available to localities to hire additional police officers.

Not wanting to turn down "free" money departments lowered their standards because they couldn't find enough qualified candidates.

As a result police departments all across the country have officers that shouldn't be there.
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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2017, 08:52:18 AM »

They had cameras available to them-the leos-and the weren't in use.  uglystupid2 Now it will be a case of he said-he said. The end result of which will be that NO MATTER what is decided That Beautiful young Woman's life Was cut short. A young mans life and her Families life forever changed. I PRAY the cops do NOT go into cover up and C Y A mode. You'd think that after all the shooting deaths a person reads about these days-Chicago comes to mind-that my skin would be thicker and my feelings were buried a bit more. And then you read of this or mere children being gunned down and in my case at least-the skin is in fact thin and my feelings are barely contained. I grieve with the families that suffer these senseless losses. I believe todays tech makes 12-14 hour run times for digital cameras possible. I also think all 4 directions on a squad should have camera coverage. Will NOT help in this case but do anyone think/believe this will be the Last time this happens? Thought not. PRAYING for the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And other than now-not gonna mention budget restraints. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2017, 09:14:43 AM »

" standard operating procedure "  is to have the fire arm on there lap

That has to be the stupidest s.o.p. I have ever heard. I could imagine forgetting the thing is in your lap and getting out of the car, especially if things are a bit tense. Or maybe a gun going off if you try to reholster it. I can see a real legal challenge to this order if it is indeed standard.
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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2017, 09:33:42 AM »

Interesting that he was concerned enough that something might go down that he had his sidearm on his lap, but not enough to turn on his camera.
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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2017, 10:06:37 AM »

Noon news here-N B C affiliate-stated that both these officers are rookies? What police dept puts two rookies together on any patrol? To anybody else's knowledge is this true?? Two rookies riding together? IF this is true the entire dept-NOT just these two need to be under Intense Scrutiny. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2017, 12:19:20 PM »

" standard operating procedure "  is to have the fire arm on there lap

That has to be the stupidest s.o.p. I have ever heard. I could imagine forgetting the thing is in your lap and getting out of the car, especially if things are a bit tense. Or maybe a gun going off if you try to reholster it. I can see a real legal challenge to this order if it is indeed standard.
Go to your police, sheriffs, state patrol office and take a look inside of a patrol vehical. Then take a look at what the equipment belt the looks like. Then Picture the officer samwiched in to that vehical. It is near impossible to release a level 3 retention holster let alone draw. Hence fire arm in lap when situation dictates. That being the case, I would think they would have body cameras on.
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2017, 02:39:26 PM »

I thought the officer in question had been on the job for 3 years.
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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2017, 02:52:43 PM »

I see the equipment worn almost everyday since I have many friends who are Police and its not a good policy. The driver would have the steering wheel, bullet proof vest, equipment belt and computer in his immediate area. So how much room would be available and how much access would the driver have for a gun in his lap? Plus with all this going on with the driver how does a passenger shoot across this into a door? If this is an accident it would prove that this was not a good policy and it could open a question on procedure. I can remember when police cars used to have a shot gun mounted in the center of the car and that was taken away.

Noor's  partner did, not perceive the same threat level as Noor since he was shocked at the fact that Noor did indeed shoot and is fully cooperating with the investigation, but Noor is not cooperating. I would think that he would admit its an accident.
 

The Minneapolis Police Dept. requires any officer involved in using force to activate a body camera, noting that, when activated, the body cameras feature a 30-second buffer -- which allows whatever occurred in the crucial 30 seconds before the camera was activated to still be recorded. The ACLU has called for penalties against the officers for not starting their units. Also in question is why the car cam was off also.
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