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« on: July 19, 2017, 10:05:40 AM »

http://john-gaultier.blogspot.com/2015/01/americans-are-unaware-of-fact-that-over.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 10:35:38 AM »

I have heard of this before but Not to the extent it's covered in your link. Thanks.  cooldude RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 10:42:09 AM »

I didn't read the whole thing but if you are interested read and research the Treaty of Tripoli and what was happening in the US and how it influenced US policy and what the US did to accommodate them. One of the interesting aspects of this battle and agreement was they had to say the US was not a Christian nation, since this would have meant no treaty. President John Adams, signed the Treaty of Tripoli, with the Muslims. The exact Quote is following,

  "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." This was ratified by the United States Senate without debate unanimously in 1797.

  The US had many battles going on and little money to pay for them, we were stretched to our limits. The Barbary Powers Wars a war against Muslim terrorists that began toward the end of the Revolutionary War and continued through the Presidencies of George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison. Not to much has changed really from this agreement.


Thomas Jefferson....

“We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the Grounds of their pretensions to make war upon a Nation who had done them no Injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our Friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. THE AMBASSADOR ANSWERED US THAT IT WAS FOUNDED ON THE LAWS OF THEIR PROPHET, THAT IT WAS WRITTEN IN THEIR KORAN, THAT ALL NATIONS WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THEIR AUTHORITY WERE SINNERS, THAT IT WAS THEIR RIGHT AND DUTY TO MAKE WAR UPON THEM WHEREVER THEY COULD BE FOUND, AND TO MAKE SLAVES OF ALL THEY COULD TAKE AS PRISONERS, AND THAT EVERY MUSSELMAN (MUSLIM) WHO SHOULD BE SLAIN IN BATTLE WAS SURE TO GO TO PARADISE"

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Treaty of Tripoli from Wall Builders
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The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli was one of several negotiated with during the “Barbary Powers War,” a war against Muslim terrorists that began toward the end of the Revolutionary War and continued through the Presidencies of George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison. 1 During America’s original “War on Terror,” five Muslim countries (Tunis, Morocco, Algiers, Tripoli, and Turkey) were making indiscriminate terrorist attacks against what they claimed to be five “Christian” nations (England, France, Spain, Denmark, and the United States). The conflict so escalated that in 1801, Tripoli formally declared war against the United States, 2 thus constituting America’s first official war as an established independent nation.

The Barbary Powers (called Barbary “Pirates” by most Americans) attacked American merchant ships (but not naval ships) wherever they found them. (Prior to the Revolution, American shipping had been protected by the British navy, and during the Revolution by the French navy; but after the Revolution, there was no protection, for America lacked a navy of its own.) These unprotected American merchant ships, built for carrying cargoes rather than for fighting, were easy prey for the warships of the Barbary Powers. The cargo of these ships was seized as loot and their “Christian” seamen 3 were enslaved in retaliation for what Muslims claimed that Christians had done to them (e.g., during the Crusades, Ferdinand and Isabella’s expulsion of Muslims from Granada, 4 etc.). So regular were the attacks that in 1793, Algiers alone seized ten American merchant ships and enslaved more then one hundred sailors, holding them for sell or ransom. 5

In an attempt to secure a release of the kidnapped seamen and a guarantee of unmolested shipping in the Mediterranean, President Washington dispatched envoys to negotiate terms with those Muslim nations. 6 They reached several treaties of “Peace and Amity” with the Muslim Barbary 7 powers to ensure “protection” of American commercial ships sailing in the Mediterranean, 8 but because America had no navy and no threat of any power against the Muslims, the terms of the treaties were particularly unfavorable for America. Sometimes she was required to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars (tens of millions in today’s money) of “tribute” (i.e., official extortion) to each Muslim country to receive a “guarantee” of no attacks. Sometimes the Muslims also demanded additional “considerations” – such as building and providing a warship as a “gift” to Tripoli, 9 a “gift” frigate to Algiers, 10 paying $525,000 to ransom captured American seamen from Algiers, 11 etc.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 11:55:59 AM »

Read away

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 10:40:41 PM »

Just looked it up an thought I was right, the USS Constitution (Old Ironsides) did fight in Tripoli in 1803 an fought for four years there. I wasn't quite sure and had to look it up. Growing up in Boston I've always had a thing for that ship. I even made a replica brass cannon of that ship. It fires a 1" steel ball with black powder. Man what a blast that is.
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