Mooch gets walking papers after 10 days in office

[MP]

So, I wonder what the general consensus will be if, and when, Mueller connects all the dots and provides undeniable proof of trump and his minions getting a bit too cozy with the Russkys.

How will it be defended?

My God, I can't even imagine the howling uproar if the other side had pulled this crap.

He's a joke, and I don't mean funny.

What constitutes " a bit too cozy"? Seriously.

Every one has admitted the Russians did not change a single vote on election day.  What  "collusion" would result in changing the outcome of the election?

We KNOW the Clintons were "cozy" with the Russians.  So was Obama.  How would Trump be more "cozy"?  How would that throw the election?

Again, even the Dems have admitted not a single vote changed on election day.

[Jess from VA]

This whole Russian thing is............. a fart in the wind.

Regarding value, a urine sample taken for routine testing has value sufficient to support a larceny charge. 

(I have no idea why someone stole a urine sample)
 

[Moonshot_1]

So, I wonder what the general consensus will be if, and when, Mueller connects all the dots and provides undeniable proof of trump and his minions getting a bit too cozy with the Russkys.

How will it be defended?

My God, I can't even imagine the howling uproar if the other side had pulled this crap.

He's a joke, and I don't mean funny.

For starters, I'd like to know the crime from which this investigation is supposed to be based on.
Seems the genesis for this investigation is nothing but accusations from political opposition, media reports based on unnamed sources, working together to undermine a free and fair election.

Not sure how one defends that in a Democratic Republic. A banana republic maybe.

Where is the criminality? Where is the breach of our Democracy by the Trump campaign or administration? How did this have any effect on the election?

You do not need to have an investigation to determine such things. They should be self evident. There must be a crime from which an investigation is born not just because someone won an election that you don't like.  

[Oss]

Serk  that was every bit as funny as Abbott and Costello's Who's on First skit

And it may happen.

As a simple country lawyer from the Bronx I would offer that searching for dirt on one's opponent in part and parcel of the political process.   Its not illegal and any such law is unconstitutional as it chills free speech with no compelling overriding need.
As a Democrat I was beyond nauseated by Clinton's theft of our resources to the Russians, her sale of uranium, her millions in her "foundation", her apparent connection to many deaths the list is longer than we can count
Yet the media will continue to be what they are, vapid scumsuckers
enabled by a Potus who cant help tweeting (its an addiction) and incapable (as the majority of Republicans) from being able to find their a$$ with both hands to replace the Obamacare Titanic disaster with something that is fair and which covers congress and the people of our country

Baldo do you believe Clinton and the AG simply said hi for all that time and that the death of the pilot of that plane is a suicide, like the dozens of other "suicides"
Still I am an optimist that it will work out for us,

[baldo]

Baldo do you believe Clinton and the AG simply said hi for all that time and that the death of the pilot of that plane is a suicide, like the dozens of other "suicides"
Still I am an optimist that it will work out for us,

Oss, I have absolutely no idea what was discussed on that tarmac, anymore than anyone else. And that's probably a good thing, because if we knew what was said, there'd be nothing for people to theorize, to give birth to untold numbers of crazy suppositions. And where's the fun in that?

[Wizzard]

Baldo do you believe Clinton and the AG simply said hi for all that time and that the death of the pilot of that plane is a suicide, like the dozens of other "suicides"
Still I am an optimist that it will work out for us,

Oss, I have absolutely no idea what was discussed on that tarmac, anymore than anyone else. And that's probably a good thing, because if we knew what was said, there'd be nothing for people to theorize, to give birth to untold numbers of crazy suppositions. And where's the fun in that?

And that excuses it , right? 

[Wizzard]

So, I wonder what the general consensus will be if, and when, Mueller connects all the dots and provides undeniable proof of trump and his minions getting a bit too cozy with the Russkys.

How will it be defended?

My God, I can't even imagine the howling uproar if the other side had pulled this crap.

He's a joke, and I don't mean funny.

The other side already pulled this crap more than once,, and got away with it with nary a word from the media.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Jr. was part of the campaign. The entire campaign is subject to these laws. If I receive $100 from you but don't spend it, it doesn't lessen the value of the $100. As far as the unanswered questions. Mueller seems to be running a tight ship. I'm sure the questions will be answered at the end of the investigation.

I guess we will see. I do not care if it was Trump himself, someone has to determine if there was value. You seem to have already decided it was. Good thing you are not the judge.
Seems to me its nothing but sore losers who are now all of a sudden getting so anal about the law, when for the last who knows how many elections and administrations have cared less, long as they won.
One thing I have learned,, you piss in any large business cornflakes, weather you are right or wrong, they can take you to court with any false allegation they want. You may or may not win your case in the end, but they can financially ruin you and your life based on nothing but false allegations. I have seen it happen.

As to the campaign,, I would love to see these same butt sniffers go back and apply the same scrutiny to the Obama and Clinton administrations.

I can only speak for myself. But it has nothing to do with being sore that he won the election. For me, it is the integrity of our democracy that is at stake. If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

[Wizzard]

Jr. was part of the campaign. The entire campaign is subject to these laws. If I receive $100 from you but don't spend it, it doesn't lessen the value of the $100. As far as the unanswered questions. Mueller seems to be running a tight ship. I'm sure the questions will be answered at the end of the investigation.

I guess we will see. I do not care if it was Trump himself, someone has to determine if there was value. You seem to have already decided it was. Good thing you are not the judge.
Seems to me its nothing but sore losers who are now all of a sudden getting so anal about the law, when for the last who knows how many elections and administrations have cared less, long as they won.
One thing I have learned,, you piss in any large business cornflakes, weather you are right or wrong, they can take you to court with any false allegation they want. You may or may not win your case in the end, but they can financially ruin you and your life based on nothing but false allegations. I have seen it happen.

As to the campaign,, I would love to see these same butt sniffers go back and apply the same scrutiny to the Obama and Clinton administrations.

I can only speak for myself. But it has nothing to do with being sore that he won the election. For me, it is the integrity of our democracy that is at stake. If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

Well, in my mind he is not. I just wish our media treated everyone the same, but they don't. I cancelled my newspaper,(it was so biased). Rarely watch the news anymore. I am happier without it

[Serk]

If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

And yet there was no main stream outcry, no special prosecutors, no endless investigations, over this blatant collusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8

[Wizzard]

If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

And yet there was no main stream outcry, no special prosecutors, no endless investigations, over this blatant collusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8

Yep, Blatant bias.  Only reason this stuff is relevant, is because they lost.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Jr. was part of the campaign. The entire campaign is subject to these laws. If I receive $100 from you but don't spend it, it doesn't lessen the value of the $100. As far as the unanswered questions. Mueller seems to be running a tight ship. I'm sure the questions will be answered at the end of the investigation.

I guess we will see. I do not care if it was Trump himself, someone has to determine if there was value. You seem to have already decided it was. Good thing you are not the judge.
Seems to me its nothing but sore losers who are now all of a sudden getting so anal about the law, when for the last who knows how many elections and administrations have cared less, long as they won.
One thing I have learned,, you piss in any large business cornflakes, weather you are right or wrong, they can take you to court with any false allegation they want. You may or may not win your case in the end, but they can financially ruin you and your life based on nothing but false allegations. I have seen it happen.

As to the campaign,, I would love to see these same butt sniffers go back and apply the same scrutiny to the Obama and Clinton administrations.

I can only speak for myself. But it has nothing to do with being sore that he won the election. For me, it is the integrity of our democracy that is at stake. If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

Well, in my mind he is not. I just wish our media treated everyone the same, but they don't. I cancelled my newspaper,(it was so biased). Rarely watch the news anymore. I am happier without it

I understand that people who voted for him are invested in him. It is tough to see something we have invested in go bad. But if you could answer this from a detached position I would be curious how you feel. If it is determined that Trump received his financing from the Russians back when the banks wouldn't loan to him any more, if it is determined that the campaign received help from the Russians, if it is determined that he fired Comey to keep this info hidden. Would you still feel the same about him ?

[Willow]

If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

And yet there was no main stream outcry, no special prosecutors, no endless investigations, over this blatant collusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8  

Yep.  Not a whisper from those who claim they are concerned about the President's relationship with the Russians.  Kinda exposes how two faced and lacking of sincerity are a lot of us.  

Oh, and just for the record IF it turns out that Donald Trump is a disguised martian invader I would be concerned.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

And yet there was no main stream outcry, no special prosecutors, no endless investigations, over this blatant collusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8  

Yep.  Not a whisper from those who claim they are concerned about the President's relationship with the Russians.  Kinda exposes how two faced and lacking of sincerity are a lot of us.  

One was an admission that there was not much action that could be taken before the election. The other is a possible subversion of our democracy. YOU GUYS ARE REALLY REACHING IN YOUR DEFENSE OF TRUMP NOW. 

[Wizzard]

I do not live my life or even get concerned about "What ifs"
If I did I would be a Democrat. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I do not live my life or even get concerned about "What ifs"
If I did I would be a Democrat. 

ok, I'll get back to you with the question when Mueller's report comes out. 

[G-Man]

I might not like some of the things he does,, but this "Russian Collusion" thing is a bunch of horseshit to put it mildly

Randy, with all due respect. If Trump Jr. had a meeting with Russian operatives about them giving their campaign dirt on Clinton, that is illegal. If Sr. put out a false story of it being about orphans being adopted, that is an attempt at cover up. Horse crap ? I think not.

And where did you get your law degree?

According to Alan Dershowitz, it is not illegal and that nothing that those on the left have been declaring is illegal really is illegal.

I would respond to your question Gary. But you made it quite clear, in no uncertain terms that I was not allowed to correspond with you.

Yet you did in another post?  Pick and choose, I guess. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I purposely didn't quote you as per your request. I'm trying to do as you asked. 

[Willow]

If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

And yet there was no main stream outcry, no special prosecutors, no endless investigations, over this blatant collusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8  

Yep.  Not a whisper from those who claim they are concerned about the President's relationship with the Russians.  Kinda exposes how two faced and lacking of sincerity are a lot of us.  

One was an admission that there was not much action that could be taken before the election. The other is a possible subversion of our democracy. YOU GUYS ARE REALLY REACHING IN YOUR DEFENSE OF TRUMP NOW. 

One was an implication that he would do something for the Russian premier after the election. The other is an unfounded possible involvement in our democracy. YOU GUYS ARE REALLY, REALLY REACHING IN YOUR ATTACKS ON THE PRESIDENT.  

If I understand correctly you defined as subversion if the Russians assisted in revealing the truth regarding a candidate.  I don't think they did but even if they had how would revealing truth subvert our democracy?  BTW, Hillary Clinton received millions of dollars in "contributions" from Russia.  Contributions is not the same as loans.  That is not in question but is proven to have taken place.Where is the outrage from people who planned to and voted for Hillary Clinton?  Where is the concern over a presidential candidate not possibly but actually beholden to the former soviets?

[Willow]

Dinosnake, to answer your question before it's asked, personal attack.

[G-Man]

So, I wonder what the general consensus will be if, and when, Mueller connects all the dots and provides undeniable proof of trump and his minions getting a bit too cozy with the Russkys.

How will it be defended?

My God, I can't even imagine the howling uproar if the other side had pulled this crap.

He's a joke, and I don't mean funny.

For starters, I'd like to know the crime from which this investigation is supposed to be based on.
Seems the genesis for this investigation is nothing but accusations from political opposition, media reports based on unnamed sources, working together to undermine a free and fair election.

Not sure how one defends that in a Democratic Republic. A banana republic maybe.

Where is the criminality? Where is the breach of our Democracy by the Trump campaign or administration? How did this have any effect on the election?

You do not need to have an investigation to determine such things. They should be self evident. There must be a crime from which an investigation is born not just because someone won an election that you don't like.  

Dershowitz points out that this was a technique developed by Beria, the infamous sidekick of Stalin, who said, “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.” That really is something that has survived the Soviet Union and has arrived in the good old USA. “Show me the man,” says any federal prosecutor, “and I can show you the crime.”

And, I too would be very concerned and would expect full prosecution under the law if Trump is found to have colluded with any entity, foreign or domestic, in order to undermine the U.S. election process.

However, in my opinion, this is a waste of time and money, perpetuated by the opposition, to undermine the present administration and opposition lead house and senate, ANY WAY they can.  In my opinion, millions of dollars are flooding into main stream media owner's offshore bank accounts to further perpetuate this undermining.  Trump played the game appropriately.  He knew NY, CA, IL, WA, etc. were Clinton's so he didn't spend money there and went everywhere else.  2 and 3 cities in the same or different states every day, week.  He pushed issues while she pushed identification and divisive politics.  
 

[Wizzard]

If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

Oh, and just for the record IF it turns out that Donald Trump is a disguised martian invader I would be concerned.

 

[3fan4life]

...
I believe that your definition of "VALUE" is a very loose one in this instance.
...

I can only assume you used the phrase very loose because you have trouble spelling pure bullshit.   

I do try to place "Nice" as much as possible.   

[Serk]

[MP]

Jr. was part of the campaign. The entire campaign is subject to these laws. If I receive $100 from you but don't spend it, it doesn't lessen the value of the $100. As far as the unanswered questions. Mueller seems to be running a tight ship. I'm sure the questions will be answered at the end of the investigation.

I guess we will see. I do not care if it was Trump himself, someone has to determine if there was value. You seem to have already decided it was. Good thing you are not the judge.
Seems to me its nothing but sore losers who are now all of a sudden getting so anal about the law, when for the last who knows how many elections and administrations have cared less, long as they won.
One thing I have learned,, you piss in any large business cornflakes, weather you are right or wrong, they can take you to court with any false allegation they want. You may or may not win your case in the end, but they can financially ruin you and your life based on nothing but false allegations. I have seen it happen.

As to the campaign,, I would love to see these same butt sniffers go back and apply the same scrutiny to the Obama and Clinton administrations.

I can only speak for myself. But it has nothing to do with being sore that he won the election. For me, it is the integrity of our democracy that is at stake. If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

Well, in my mind he is not. I just wish our media treated everyone the same, but they don't. I cancelled my newspaper,(it was so biased). Rarely watch the news anymore. I am happier without it

I understand that people who voted for him are invested in him. It is tough to see something we have invested in go bad. But if you could answer this from a detached position I would be curious how you feel. If it is determined that Trump received his financing from the Russians back when the banks wouldn't loan to him any more, if it is determined that the campaign received help from the Russians, if it is determined that he fired Comey to keep this info hidden. Would you still feel the same about him ?

IF, IF, IF.  Zero link yet.

Yet, it is a FACT that Clintons, both of them, and top members of her campaign, received MILLIONS in "GIFTS" from the Russians!  FACT!  Not one word about that FACT!

Months and months of IF, IF, IF, and with hundreds, if not thousands of investigators, not a SINGLE link to Trump!  NONE.

[Romeo]

I might not like some of the things he does,, but this "Russian Collusion" thing is a bunch of horseshit to put it mildly

Randy, with all due respect. If Trump Jr. had a meeting with Russian operatives about them giving their campaign dirt on Clinton, that is illegal. If Sr. put out a false story of it being about orphans being adopted, that is an attempt at cover up. Horse crap ? I think not.

its horseshit. I feel it's horseshit, therefore it's horseshit. Isn't that how we decide things now?
By how we "feel"? No evidence. None. So let's see, it smells like horseshit, it looks like horseshit, it comes from a bunch of horses asses. Yep, its horseshit. Sorry Meat, you riding the wrong horse.

[baldo]

Jr. was part of the campaign. The entire campaign is subject to these laws. If I receive $100 from you but don't spend it, it doesn't lessen the value of the $100. As far as the unanswered questions. Mueller seems to be running a tight ship. I'm sure the questions will be answered at the end of the investigation.

I guess we will see. I do not care if it was Trump himself, someone has to determine if there was value. You seem to have already decided it was. Good thing you are not the judge.
Seems to me its nothing but sore losers who are now all of a sudden getting so anal about the law, when for the last who knows how many elections and administrations have cared less, long as they won.
One thing I have learned,, you piss in any large business cornflakes, weather you are right or wrong, they can take you to court with any false allegation they want. You may or may not win your case in the end, but they can financially ruin you and your life based on nothing but false allegations. I have seen it happen.

As to the campaign,, I would love to see these same butt sniffers go back and apply the same scrutiny to the Obama and Clinton administrations.

I can only speak for myself. But it has nothing to do with being sore that he won the election. For me, it is the integrity of our democracy that is at stake. If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

Well, in my mind he is not. I just wish our media treated everyone the same, but they don't. I cancelled my newspaper,(it was so biased). Rarely watch the news anymore. I am happier without it

I understand that people who voted for him are invested in him. It is tough to see something we have invested in go bad. But if you could answer this from a detached position I would be curious how you feel. If it is determined that Trump received his financing from the Russians back when the banks wouldn't loan to him any more, if it is determined that the campaign received help from the Russians, if it is determined that he fired Comey to keep this info hidden. Would you still feel the same about him ?

IF, IF, IF.  Zero link yet.

Yet, it is a FACT that Clintons, both of them, and top members of her campaign, received MILLIONS in "GIFTS" from the Russians!  FACT!  Not one word about that FACT!

Months and months of IF, IF, IF, and with hundreds, if not thousands of investigators, not a SINGLE link to Trump!  NONE.

Give it time, grasshopper. A proper investigation takes time to get it right. You want to know the facts, don't you?

And you certainly do have a flair for the dramatic.......thousands....and MILLIONS !

For your reading pleasure..... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-hillary-c/

There's plenty more if you don't like that source.

[baldo]

If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

And yet there was no main stream outcry, no special prosecutors, no endless investigations, over this blatant collusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8

Why do you call it collusion? It sounds to me like he was telling him that in an election year it's tough to get major accomplishments like a nuclear agreement finished.

http://www.snopes.com/obama-more-flexibility-russia/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-tells-medvedev-solution-on-missile-defense-is-unlikely-before-elections/2012/03/26/gIQASoblbS_story.html?utm_term=.c0713714303b

No where close to what trump is accused of. Very large apples, very large oranges....Yuuuge even...

And if it turns out to be true, what will you say then?

[Serk]

And if it turns out to be true, what will you say then?

I'll say "Thank $Deity we didn't get stuck with Hillary choosing the SCOTUS replacement(s)".

And if the leftists get their way and manage to run President Trump off, what will they say when he is replaced by the far more conservative President Pence?

...careful what you wish for.

[Gavin_Sons]

Jr. was part of the campaign. The entire campaign is subject to these laws. If I receive $100 from you but don't spend it, it doesn't lessen the value of the $100. As far as the unanswered questions. Mueller seems to be running a tight ship. I'm sure the questions will be answered at the end of the investigation.

I guess we will see. I do not care if it was Trump himself, someone has to determine if there was value. You seem to have already decided it was. Good thing you are not the judge.
Seems to me its nothing but sore losers who are now all of a sudden getting so anal about the law, when for the last who knows how many elections and administrations have cared less, long as they won.
One thing I have learned,, you piss in any large business cornflakes, weather you are right or wrong, they can take you to court with any false allegation they want. You may or may not win your case in the end, but they can financially ruin you and your life based on nothing but false allegations. I have seen it happen.

As to the campaign,, I would love to see these same butt sniffers go back and apply the same scrutiny to the Obama and Clinton administrations.

I can only speak for myself. But it has nothing to do with being sore that he won the election. For me, it is the integrity of our democracy that is at stake. If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

Well, in my mind he is not. I just wish our media treated everyone the same, but they don't. I cancelled my newspaper,(it was so biased). Rarely watch the news anymore. I am happier without it

I understand that people who voted for him are invested in him. It is tough to see something we have invested in go bad. But if you could answer this from a detached position I would be curious how you feel. If it is determined that Trump received his financing from the Russians back when the banks wouldn't loan to him any more, if it is determined that the campaign received help from the Russians, if it is determined that he fired Comey to keep this info hidden. Would you still feel the same about him ?

IF, IF, IF.  Zero link yet.

Yet, it is a FACT that Clintons, both of them, and top members of her campaign, received MILLIONS in "GIFTS" from the Russians!  FACT!  Not one word about that FACT!

Months and months of IF, IF, IF, and with hundreds, if not thousands of investigators, not a SINGLE link to Trump!  NONE.

Give it time, grasshopper. A proper investigation takes time to get it right. You want to know the facts, don't you?

And you certainly do have a flair for the dramatic.......thousands....and MILLIONS !

For your reading pleasure..... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-hillary-c/

There's plenty more if you don't like that source.

He said "hundreds if not thousands" not MILLIONS 
Someone only sees what they want to see. 

[scooperhsd]

And if it turns out to be true, what will you say then?

And if the leftists get their way and manage to run President Trump off, what will they say when he is replaced by the far more conservative President Pence?

...careful what you wish for.

I'm not so sure about that - back during the election I thought both VP candidates were better than BOTH President candidates...

[Willow]

He said "hundreds if not thousands" not MILLIONS 
Someone only sees what they want to see. 

Misquote and misdirection with a dose of refusal to understand is Baldo's norm.  Talk about a flair for the dramatic!   

[Daycruiser]

There are certain people, including the media that want to make sure this man fails. Or, they degredate him at every word. I'm kinda with a couple of you on this. What Chris said is kinda my opinion as well. What G-Man says isn't too far off either.

He plays against a stacked deck daily. But, some of it he brings on himself with his stupid twitter response to every mouse fart that is said about him. He needs to quit taking everything personal and dump ALL twitter usage. The media hovers on twitter like a buzzard on a road kill.

Couldn't be more correct.  There are a bunch of Republicans also doing all they can to make sure Trump fails.

[baldo]

Jr. was part of the campaign. The entire campaign is subject to these laws. If I receive $100 from you but don't spend it, it doesn't lessen the value of the $100. As far as the unanswered questions. Mueller seems to be running a tight ship. I'm sure the questions will be answered at the end of the investigation.

I guess we will see. I do not care if it was Trump himself, someone has to determine if there was value. You seem to have already decided it was. Good thing you are not the judge.
Seems to me its nothing but sore losers who are now all of a sudden getting so anal about the law, when for the last who knows how many elections and administrations have cared less, long as they won.
One thing I have learned,, you piss in any large business cornflakes, weather you are right or wrong, they can take you to court with any false allegation they want. You may or may not win your case in the end, but they can financially ruin you and your life based on nothing but false allegations. I have seen it happen.

As to the campaign,, I would love to see these same butt sniffers go back and apply the same scrutiny to the Obama and Clinton administrations.

I can only speak for myself. But it has nothing to do with being sore that he won the election. For me, it is the integrity of our democracy that is at stake. If Trump is beholden to the Russians we are screwed.

Well, in my mind he is not. I just wish our media treated everyone the same, but they don't. I cancelled my newspaper,(it was so biased). Rarely watch the news anymore. I am happier without it

I understand that people who voted for him are invested in him. It is tough to see something we have invested in go bad. But if you could answer this from a detached position I would be curious how you feel. If it is determined that Trump received his financing from the Russians back when the banks wouldn't loan to him any more, if it is determined that the campaign received help from the Russians, if it is determined that he fired Comey to keep this info hidden. Would you still feel the same about him ?

IF, IF, IF.  Zero link yet.

Yet, it is a FACT that Clintons, both of them, and top members of her campaign, received MILLIONS in "GIFTS" from the Russians!  FACT!  Not one word about that FACT!

Months and months of IF, IF, IF, and with hundreds, if not thousands of investigators, not a SINGLE link to Trump!  NONE.

Give it time, grasshopper. A proper investigation takes time to get it right. You want to know the facts, don't you?

And you certainly do have a flair for the dramatic.......thousands....and MILLIONS !

For your reading pleasure..... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-hillary-c/

There's plenty more if you don't like that source.

He said "hundreds if not thousands" not MILLIONS 
Someone only sees what they want to see. 

You're absolutely right. If you read the line above the thousands, you'll find the word MILLIONS. I see it pretty clearly....

[baldo]

He said "hundreds if not thousands" not MILLIONS 
Someone only sees what they want to see. 

Misquote and misdirection with a dose of refusal to understand is Baldo's norm.  Talk about a flair for the dramatic!   

Nice try Willow. Right backatcha...

[Daddie O]

A few points to bring up, none of which are even disputed:

Trump's campaign manager was meeting with Putin's agents.  Trump's son was meeting with Putin's agents.  Jared Kushner was meeting with the Russians, and trying to set up secret communications with the Russians using Russian communication equipment so that the US intelligence agencies couldn't hear what they are talking about. 

Trump's National Security Advisor was fired because of lying about meetings with the Russians, and not disclosing he was a foreign agent being paid by the Russians and Turks.  General Flynn asked for immunity in exchange for testifying.  If no laws were broken, what would he need immunity from?

The Attorney General recused himself from the Russian investigation after it was discovered HE LIED TO CONGRESS about meeting with the Russians himself.

Trump himself said he fired FBI Director Comey because he was thinking about "the Russia thing".  If he had nothing to hide, then why obstruct an investigation?

Trump personally dictated to his son to lie to the media about the reasons for him meeting with the Russians.  Why?

I know that none of you conservatives care.  Anything Trump does to try to destroy American democracy is just a "fart in the wind" to you.  Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy to see him colluding with the Kremlin?

There are those of us that love America though, and do not want to see it's institutions destroyed by foreign adversaries.  We don't see an investigation as a witch hunt, but rather an honest investigation by an unimpeachable man into what has occurred, who is responsible, and how to prevent it in the future.

It's no secret I voted for Obama twice, and was a Bernie supporter that held my nose and voted for Clinton in the general election.  Even though I thought Obama was a great president, he had his flaws.  Bernie has flaws.  Hillary has flaws.  Are you conservatives really completely incapable of seeing how deeply flawed Trump is?  Are you unwilling or unable to hold him accountable for his words and actions?  You should be an American first and a Republican second.

[Gavin_Sons]

A few points to bring up, none of which are even disputed:

Trump's campaign manager was meeting with Putin's agents.  Trump's son was meeting with Putin's agents.  Jared Kushner was meeting with the Russians, and trying to set up secret communications with the Russians using Russian communication equipment so that the US intelligence agencies couldn't hear what they are talking about.  

Trump's National Security Advisor was fired because of lying about meetings with the Russians, and not disclosing he was a foreign agent being paid by the Russians and Turks.  General Flynn asked for immunity in exchange for testifying.  If no laws were broken, what would he need immunity from?

The Attorney General recused himself from the Russian investigation after it was discovererd HE LIED TO CONGRESS about meeting with the Russians himself.

Trump himself said he fired FBI Director Comey because he was thinking about "the Russia thing".  If he had nothing to hide, then why obstruct an investigation?

Trump personally dictated to his son to lie to the media about the reasons for him meeting with the Russians.  Why?

I know that none of you conservatives care.  Anything Trump does to try to destroy American democracy is just a "fart in the wind" to you.  Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy to see him colluding with the Kremlin?

There are those of us that love America though, and do not want to see it's institutions destroyed by foreign adversaries.  We don't see an investigation as a witch hunt, but rather an honest investigation by an unimpeachable man into what has occurred, who is responsible, and how to prevent it in the future.

It's no secret I voted for Obama twice, and was a Bernie supporter that held my nose and voted for Clinton in the general election.  Even though I thought Obama was a great president, he had his flaws.  Bernie has flaws.  Hillary has flaws.  Are you conservatives really completely incapable of seeing how deeply flawed Trump is?  Are you unwilling or unable to hold him accountable for his words and actions?  You should be an American first and a Republican second.

Yet this is all speculation.  NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN. Or are you of the belief you're guilty until proven innocent?

[Daddie O]

Gavin_Sons, none of what I wrote is speculation.  None of it.  They are facts, admitted to by those involved.

[Gavin_Sons]

Gavin_Sons, none of what I wrote is speculation.  None of it.  They are facts, admitted to by those involved.

Oh, just opinion?

[Serk]

Are you unwilling or unable to hold him accountable for his words and actions?

Trump was the second worst possible candidate on the ballot.

But SCOTUS Associate Justice Gorsuch (And hopefully a few more before this is all over) is all the justification I need to support my vote against Hillary.

A president is fleeting, a SCOTUS justice can shape the nation for a generation.