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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2017, 07:51:30 PM »

Thanks for you response it made a few things clearer.

I would say that any dig in Israel is not nonsense this also goes along with the information I gave because many artifacts and verification of history and the bible has come forward. If the answer is a smoke screen how do you know without doing the research yourself?

 It takes more space or time than I am willing to put forward on this matter to prove myself correct to you hence the links.

You are not a defender of truth or faith to discount this information if not known to be factual or question a small point that most Christians dont even know about. What is seen is one christian questioning another in public not in the love the bible talks about, the world loves confusion and fighting.

I am privy to information that most dont have access to and I find amazing that they have actually found Davids residence and how it came about. David being a central figure in the Old Testament  securing all the land and building materials for the temple and Solomon his son the builder of the temple. They are not absolutely sure of the temples location that is why these digs provide an interesting twist. What if this actually is the location of the temple? The article about Davids palace was written in 06 and republished in 17.  

I gave you links to the Temple society and some information which as you say was also nonsense along with other information that needs to be read to understand and it needs a historical perspective. You have to be interested in this stuff because some of it is long and tedious and to connect the dots sometimes is boring.

Good article on the temple and they may not know the exact location
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.606550

The location of this dig, the fact that they do not know exactly the location of the original temple or where the cornerstone is, the idea of how this was found below a parking lot in close proximity to the Dome of the Rock and its Davids palace, all make for an interesting read and food for thought.

Even the bible to those who dont read it seems nonsense till there is understanding and enlightenment that God gives.

or

Unless you look at Jesus and Paul as Jews and understand their perspective on scripture and teachings then you loose some understanding.

So I would say really spend some time in these articles that I gave you if you find something different then tell me. I would be interested to hear and it makes for interesting discussions.

Let me say first of all that I didn't say that the articles you linked to, or their content, was nonsense.  What I said is that your assumption, that in order to understand the articles one requires extensive knowledge of biblical prophecy, is nonsense.

Secondly, you did not give me links to "the Temple society".  You gave me links to three articles:

1. A wikipedia article about the Givati Parking Lot dig, which talks about possibly finding the palace of Queen Helena of Adiabene, and the Seleucid fortress known as the Acra.
2. A Jerusalem Post article, again about what they found at the Givati parking lot possibly being the Acra.
3. A biblewalks.com web page about the Givati parking lot excavation, talking about finding 9th to 6th century BC densely-built houses, a 2nd century BC Hasmonian house, an impressive "second temple period" (530 BC to 70AD) building, thought to be part of the palace of Queen Helene of Adiabene, a 3rd century AD Roman house, and a 4th century AD Byzantine mansion.

So, I am not discounting the articles; I am discounting your contention that they support your statement, i.e., I'm disputing that they have anything at all to say about a discovery indicating the first temple's location.

I did a little Google search and think I found the article about a dig looking for David's palace you are referring to, written in 2006 by archaeologist Eilat Mazar, and republished in 2012, introduced by Avraham Faust:
https://members.bib-arch.org/biblical-archaeology-review/38/5/5

Mazar also writes about her findings in a web article of January 8, 2017.  I am not sure if this is much the same article as above, as I didn't pay to join the BAS Library to read the earlier articles:
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-sites-places/jerusalem/did-i-find-king-davids-palace/

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You are not a defender of truth or faith to discount this information if not known to be factual or question a small point that most Christians dont even know about. What is seen is one christian questioning another in public not in the love the bible talks about, the world loves confusion and fighting.

I wasn't discounting information information you actually gave; I was asking for the information you based your statement on, because I was interested in it.  That was not lacking in love or promoting confusion.  Instead of answering my question, you linked to articles that didn't answer my questions, you said that I couldn't possibly have the background knowledge I needed to understand the articles you linked to, that I should just trust your secret sources, and now, that I shouldn't ask questions, because publicly asking questions is unloving.

Another question, asked in love:  Who are you saying is not looking at Jesus and Paul as Jews, and why do you think this is the case?

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This spring I purchased a book that I'm sure would interest you, Rose Guide to the Temple.  I haven't taken the time to study it yet, but my quick flip-through convinced me it was a good purchase.
http://www.rose-publishing.com/Rose-Guide-To-The-Temple-P1038.aspx
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Robert
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« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2017, 08:45:19 PM »

Thanks for the recommendation on the book I will read it.

I was doing some research on Moses' Tabernacle, that I decided to take a look at Solomon's Temple as well. The design, the materials, and even the metal chosen all represented something. God is so detailed in what He does that its amazing to see.
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« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2017, 05:25:19 AM »

Thanks for the recommendation on the book I will read it.

I was doing some research on Moses' Tabernacle, that I decided to take a look at Solomon's Temple as well. The design, the materials, and even the metal chosen all represented something. God is so detailed in what He does that its amazing to see.


the ratio of dimensions God gave to noah to build a seagoing vessel are still used today, otherwise all ships/boats would sink in rough waters.
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« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2017, 06:54:49 AM »

I read a book on aliens once. Some pretty compelling evidence.  Here is my problem with organized religion. The Bible was written about the life of Jesus? Right? Each book was written by a different disciple. How much do you think they got turned around by the time it was originally written to the time it was printed in a book? I mean they had to be deciphered and rewritten. Dont get me wrong, I am a believer but have always had this question that can't be answered. Robert and Gryphon Rider seem to be Iin a battle about who knows more nonsense than the other.  coolsmiley
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« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2017, 07:17:47 AM »

I read a book on aliens once. Some pretty compelling evidence.  Here is my problem with organized religion. The Bible was written about the life of Jesus? Right? Each book was written by a different disciple. How much do you think they got turned around by the time it was originally written to the time it was printed in a book? I mean they had to be deciphered and rewritten. Dont get me wrong, I am a believer but have always had this question that can't be answered. Robert and Gryphon Rider seem to be Iin a battle about who knows more nonsense than the other.  coolsmiley
I wouldn't classify it that way at all. Smiley
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2017, 08:09:19 AM »


I am a believer but have always had this question that can't be answered.

The Bible is sufficient for everyone. Everything in there is in there for a reason. Noah,
the genealogy of Jesus Christ in the book of Luke, Joshua's longest day... these things
kept me lost and undone, without Christ... that's not the reason they are in there.

These days I don't worry about the parts I don't get, I'm sure they are helpful
to someone else.

I wish I always had access to the parts I do get, in other words, I wish I wasn't
so much stupider when I was younger than I am now (don't we all  Smiley ) ...

Romans 14 (gibberish to some)

Everything you need to know about marriage: Husbands, love your
wives and don't be bitter.

The third parable  in Matthew 25.

A litmus test for everyday life I picked up in Colossians 3 a few
weeks ago: compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience...

I suck at all these things I've learned, but at least I know them now.

-Mike
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« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2017, 08:14:57 AM »


I am a believer but have always had this question that can't be answered.

The Bible is sufficient for everyone. Everything in there is in there for a reason. Noah,
the genealogy of Jesus Christ in the book of Luke, Joshua's longest day... these things
kept me lost and undone, without Christ... that's not the reason they are in there.

These days I don't worry about the parts I don't get, I'm sure they are helpful
to someone else.

I wish I always had access to the parts I do get, in other words, I wish I wasn't
so much stupider when I was younger than I am now (don't we all  Smiley ) ...

Romans 14 (gibberish to some)

Everything you need to know about marriage: Husbands, love your
wives and don't be bitter.

The third parable  in Matthew 25.

A litmus test for everyday life I picked up in Colossians 3 a few
weeks ago: compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience...

I suck at all these things I've learned, but at least I know them now.

-Mike
I have a hard time believing you suck at them.  Smiley If so, I'm in a lot more trouble than I realized.
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Robert
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« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2017, 08:32:31 AM »

I read a book on aliens once. Some pretty compelling evidence.  Here is my problem with organized religion. The Bible was written about the life of Jesus? Right? Each book was written by a different disciple. How much do you think they got turned around by the time it was originally written to the time it was printed in a book? I mean they had to be deciphered and rewritten. Dont get me wrong, I am a believer but have always had this question that can't be answered. Robert and Gryphon Rider seem to be Iin a battle about who knows more nonsense than the other.  coolsmiley

 While our discussion seems pointless to some who may not understand, but we are talking about events that happened over 3000 years ago and was told in the Bible of the influence and time lines on the events we are see happening today, then the Bible is a predictor of the future. I would like to know what man,alien or anyone who has that ability, to write that down in a book by many individuals and have it come true today the odds alone are staggering,, that requires God and our discussion got you to respond, I don't call that pointless 
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2017, 12:28:38 PM »

I read a book on aliens once. Some pretty compelling evidence.  Here is my problem with organized religion. The Bible was written about the life of Jesus? Right? Each book was written by a different disciple. How much do you think they got turned around by the time it was originally written to the time it was printed in a book? I mean they had to be deciphered and rewritten. Dont get me wrong, I am a believer but have always had this question that can't be answered. Robert and Gryphon Rider seem to be Iin a battle about who knows more nonsense than the other.  coolsmiley

 While our discussion seems pointless to some who may not understand, but we are talking about events that happened over 3000 years ago and was told in the Bible of the influence and time lines on the events we are see happening today, then the Bible is a predictor of the future. I would like to know what man,alien or anyone who has that ability, to write that down in a book by many individuals and have it come true today the odds alone are staggering,, that requires God and our discussion got you to respond, I don't call that pointless 
I agree with Robert, it's not pointless. The message contained in the Bible is the foundation and guide of the Christian life. If the Bible is proven untrue, Christianity collapses, and we who put our hope in Christ lose our hope. There is a large, diverse group of people that would love it if an archeological discovery were made that categorically disproves the Bible. What they are finding, however, is that finds are confirming the text.

What may surprise Gavin_Sons is that when older manuscripts are newly found, they confirm the fidelity of the texts we currently use.
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