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Colonel Allen West:
I’ve been a season pass holder at Yankee Stadium, Yale Bowl and Giants Stadium.
I missed the ’90-’91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm. 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home with the American Flag draped across their lifeless bodies. My last conversation with one of them, Sgt Garrett Mongrella, was about how our Giants were going to the Super Bowl. He never got to see it.
Many friends, Marines, and Special Forces Soldiers who worked with or for me through the years returned home with the American Flag draped over their coffins.
Now I watch multi-millionaire athletes who never did anything in their lives but play a game, disrespect what brave Americans fought and died for. They are essentially spitting in the faces and on the graves of real men, men who have actually done something for this country beside playing with a ball and believing they’re something special! They’re not! My Marines and Soldiers were!
You are complicit in this! You’ll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the moral courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this. Yes, I know, it’s their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner.
What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs publicly?
I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that’s much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn’t it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone?
Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is OK? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multi-million dollar contracts for playing a freaking game!
You condone it all by your refusal to act. You’re just as bad and disgusting as they are. I hope Americans boycott any sponsor who supports that rabble you call the NFL. I hope they turn off the TV when any team that allowed this disrespect to occur, without consequence, on the sidelines. I applaud those who have not.
Legends and heroes do NOT wear shoulder pads. They wear body armor and carry rifles.
They make minimum wage and spend months and years away from their families. They don’t do it for an hour on Sunday. They do it 24/7 often with lead, not footballs, coming in their direction. They watch their brothers carted off in pieces not on a gurney to get their knee iced. They don’t even have ice! Many don’t have legs or arms.
Some wear blue and risk their lives daily on the streets of America. They wear fire helmets and go upstairs into the fire rather than down to safety. On 9-11, hundreds vanished. They are the heroes.
I hope that your high paid protesting pretty boys and you look in that mirror when you shave tomorrow and see what you really are, legends in your own minds. You need to hit the road and take those worms with you!
Time to change the channel.
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2017, 10:58:18 AM » |
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I hear those who say they will not watch this team or that team yet are more than wiling to continue to pay for the TV service that brings ESPN and the NFL into their homes.
Not watching a team on TV will do NOTHING to change the behavior of the millionaires performing for their devotees. .
Taking away the $$$ the NFL and teams need to survive will cause change.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2017, 11:40:12 AM » |
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well written piece by Col. West
Big money corrupts absolutely.
Thank you for posting.
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2017, 11:49:19 AM » |
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Many don't know this. Maybe after reading they will do something re their payment to a TV service.
Not my words below.
The National Football League takes in more than $9.5 billion per year and is exempt from Federal taxes. As a nonprofit, it earns more than the Y, the Red Cross, Goodwill, the Salvation Army or Catholic Charities - yet it stands as one of the greatest profit-generating commercial advertising, entertainment and media enterprises ever created.
For the love of Richard Sherman, how can this be?
An arcane tax code change that eased the 1966 merger of the NFL with the old American Football League landed the new combined entity in section 501(c)6 of the tax code, designated as an industry association. The designation actually covers "chambers of commerce, real estate boards, boards of trade, and professional football leagues." This does not cover the league's 32 individual franchises, which also rake in billions.
Now a national survey by Fairleigh Dickinson University is shining a light on this strange situation, and perhaps getting Americans to check off that nonprofit coverage faster than Peyton Manning can shout "Omaha!"
“The public’s love for the game clearly doesn’t trump their fiscal restraint when it comes to big time sporting events,” said Krista Jenkins, director of the polling unit and professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson University. “Even teams who don’t make it to the Super Bowl generate millions from licensing and ticket sales. The public says taxpayers shouldn’t be hit up for support when there’s enough in the NFL coffers to pay their own way.”
The survey found that people are both surprised by the NFL's tax-exempt status - and generally opposed to it. Only 13 percent correctly identified the league as not-for-profit.
“Since the NFL is generally associated with wealthy owners and players, not to mention the tremendous revenue that each team generates year-round, the public would not be expected to know the League is a non-profit organization,” said Jenkins. “With billions likely to flow from the Super Bowl, it would seem a contradiction that the organization behind it all would be technically a not-for-profit, but that is indeed true about the NFL.”
With face values of as much as $2,600 for Sunday's game in New Jersey, the NFL may be facing a serious challenge to its below-the-radar nonprofit status. A few months ago, Senators Tom Coburn (R-Maine) and Angus King (I-Maine) introduced a bill to strip the NFL of its status.
Coburn told CNN: “This is a directed tax cut that to the league office, which means every other American pays a little bit more every year because we give the NFL league office a tax break and call them a non-profit. In fact, they’re not."
For real nonprofits out there trying to raise fund for crucial social missions, the NFL's exempt status has to be as galling a blocked punt. Writes Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Karen Heller:
Its Park Avenue offices feature a reception desk shaped like a silver football. In 2011, commissioner Roger Goodell reaped nearly $30 million in compensation. In his latest contract, Goodell's base salary will eventually double - most likely because he has vowed that, by 2027, the NFL will yield $25 billion.
The revenue will be achieved largely through lucrative broadcast rights that will be passed along to you, the non-luxury-suite consumer.
And the NFL is not alone. Also in the Senate's crosshairs - should the Coburn-King bill pass - are the "nonprofit" Professional Golfers Association Tour, the National Hockey League and the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association. Wrote Coburn in U.S. News and World Report: "Americans are paying artificially high rates in order to subsidize special breaks for sports leagues. That means you may be paying a slightly higher tax rate than is necessary to subsidize Jerry Jones or Tiger Woods."
Met Life Stadium in the swamps of Jersey - are at least partially subsidized by public dollars, a Federal tax exemption for the professional league - really a joint venture of 32 other businesses and their investors - seems obscene. As Nina Ippolito wrote in PolicyMic:
As a 501(c)6, the NFL isn’t supposed to engage in business “ordinarily carried on for profit.” Apparently, licensing exorbitantly priced apparel, granting broadcast rights, and running an entire television network don’t count as profitable endeavors.
So if you don't agree with a ref's call on Sunday, if you think it was a gift to one team at the expense of another, just keep in mind there's another kind of philanthropy at work for the NFL: the taxpayers' donation to the richest sports league in U.S. history.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2017, 12:52:19 PM » |
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Many don't know this. Maybe after reading they will do something re their payment to a TV service.
Not my words below.
The National Football League takes in more than $9.5 billion per year and is exempt from Federal taxes. As a nonprofit, it earns more than the Y, the Red Cross, Goodwill, the Salvation Army or Catholic Charities - yet it stands as one of the greatest profit-generating commercial advertising, entertainment and media enterprises ever created.
For the love of Richard Sherman, how can this be?
An arcane tax code change that eased the 1966 merger of the NFL with the old American Football League landed the new combined entity in section 501(c)6 of the tax code, designated as an industry association. The designation actually covers "chambers of commerce, real estate boards, boards of trade, and professional football leagues." This does not cover the league's 32 individual franchises, which also rake in billions.
Now a national survey by Fairleigh Dickinson University is shining a light on this strange situation, and perhaps getting Americans to check off that nonprofit coverage faster than Peyton Manning can shout "Omaha!"
“The public’s love for the game clearly doesn’t trump their fiscal restraint when it comes to big time sporting events,” said Krista Jenkins, director of the polling unit and professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson University. “Even teams who don’t make it to the Super Bowl generate millions from licensing and ticket sales. The public says taxpayers shouldn’t be hit up for support when there’s enough in the NFL coffers to pay their own way.”
The survey found that people are both surprised by the NFL's tax-exempt status - and generally opposed to it. Only 13 percent correctly identified the league as not-for-profit.
“Since the NFL is generally associated with wealthy owners and players, not to mention the tremendous revenue that each team generates year-round, the public would not be expected to know the League is a non-profit organization,” said Jenkins. “With billions likely to flow from the Super Bowl, it would seem a contradiction that the organization behind it all would be technically a not-for-profit, but that is indeed true about the NFL.”
With face values of as much as $2,600 for Sunday's game in New Jersey, the NFL may be facing a serious challenge to its below-the-radar nonprofit status. A few months ago, Senators Tom Coburn (R-Maine) and Angus King (I-Maine) introduced a bill to strip the NFL of its status.
Coburn told CNN: “This is a directed tax cut that to the league office, which means every other American pays a little bit more every year because we give the NFL league office a tax break and call them a non-profit. In fact, they’re not."
For real nonprofits out there trying to raise fund for crucial social missions, the NFL's exempt status has to be as galling a blocked punt. Writes Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Karen Heller:
Its Park Avenue offices feature a reception desk shaped like a silver football. In 2011, commissioner Roger Goodell reaped nearly $30 million in compensation. In his latest contract, Goodell's base salary will eventually double - most likely because he has vowed that, by 2027, the NFL will yield $25 billion.
The revenue will be achieved largely through lucrative broadcast rights that will be passed along to you, the non-luxury-suite consumer.
And the NFL is not alone. Also in the Senate's crosshairs - should the Coburn-King bill pass - are the "nonprofit" Professional Golfers Association Tour, the National Hockey League and the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association. Wrote Coburn in U.S. News and World Report: "Americans are paying artificially high rates in order to subsidize special breaks for sports leagues. That means you may be paying a slightly higher tax rate than is necessary to subsidize Jerry Jones or Tiger Woods."
Met Life Stadium in the swamps of Jersey - are at least partially subsidized by public dollars, a Federal tax exemption for the professional league - really a joint venture of 32 other businesses and their investors - seems obscene. As Nina Ippolito wrote in PolicyMic:
As a 501(c)6, the NFL isn’t supposed to engage in business “ordinarily carried on for profit.” Apparently, licensing exorbitantly priced apparel, granting broadcast rights, and running an entire television network don’t count as profitable endeavors.
So if you don't agree with a ref's call on Sunday, if you think it was a gift to one team at the expense of another, just keep in mind there's another kind of philanthropy at work for the NFL: the taxpayers' donation to the richest sports league in U.S. history.
Not even close to the truth.  Each team has always had to pay taxes. The league office was tax exempt till a couple of years ago. Their income was minuscule compared to the league itself. But they voluntarily gave up the non profit status because of just this sort of misinformation . If you don't want to watch the NFL, don't watch it. But don't put out misinformation because you don't like it. I think it's crazy the money players, owners make. But it is free enterprise. You aren't communist are you ? |
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2017, 01:20:41 PM » |
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I hear those who say they will not watch this team or that team yet are more than wiling to continue to pay for the TV service that brings ESPN and the NFL into their homes.
Not watching a team on TV will do NOTHING to change the behavior of the millionaires performing for their devotees. .
Taking away the $$$ the NFL and teams need to survive will cause change.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2017, 01:23:21 PM » |
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I'm so over ESPN, NFL, etc, I've considered having cable installed and watching a game or two just so I can have the cable disconnected and go back to not watching the sportsball stuff again...  |
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2017, 01:44:25 PM » |
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I've got a few Springbok jerseys in my closet.  I'd get a few from the New Zealand team but I don't feel like shooting someone who doesn't understand a team's name and thinks it means something else in the current environment. =\ But as far as sports watching goes, I'm far more likely to take in some E-Sports. Either Starcraft 2 or my preference, some World of Warcraft Arena matches. I realize not the cup of tea for most of ya'll, but if ya' wanna see some WoW Arena, here's an example (The actual match starts around the 6 minute mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgmX_gAb7Mw |
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I've got a few Springbok jerseys in my closet. I'd get a few from the New Zealand team but I don't feel like shooting someone who doesn't understand a team's name and thinks it means something else in the current environment. =\ But as far as sports watching goes, I'm far more likely to take in some E-Sports. Either Starcraft 2 or my preference, some World of Warcraft Arena matches. I realize not the cup of tea for most of ya'll, but if ya' wanna see some WoW Arena, here's an example (The actual match starts around the 6 minute mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgmX_gAb7MwYou're such a geek/nerd. I love it. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 02:06:15 PM » |
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Right on target. I'll go for a ride in the rain before I spend a nickle on them.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 03:39:28 PM » |
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naacp has threatened a boycott if that dufus that was with sf-what kapernick?-don't git hired somewhere. And as I understand it some more of those overpaid sides of beef are also kneeling.  The league and the owners could have ended this before it even got started. How you ask? The first time one of em kneeled fine them two games worth of money. 2nd time fine em 4 games worth of money. 3d time fire their azz. RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 05:57:19 PM » |
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Serk That would be close to torture for me, but each his own I enjoy spending a Sunday afternoon with my boys and my dad watching the Packers It turns my guts when anybody dishonors our country. I've always said if I were President I'd offer a free one way ticket out of the US to anybody that didn't want to be here. NO RETURN Your either for us or against us. And we don't need those who are against us. |
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Not even close to the truth. Each team has always had to pay taxes. The league office was tax exempt till a couple of years ago. Their income was minuscule compared to the league itself. But they voluntarily gave up the non profit status because of just this sort of misinformation . If you don't want to watch the NFL, don't watch it. But don't put out misinformation because you don't like it. I think it's crazy the money players, owners make. But it is free enterprise. You aren't communist are you ? Mr Meat, when you're right, you're right. It didn't sound kosher to me either, so I put it in the Googler. It took .93 seconds to list many sources debunking this particular 'misconception'. https://www.google.com/search?q=nfl+tax+exempt&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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Not even close to the truth. Each team has always had to pay taxes. The league office was tax exempt till a couple of years ago. Their income was minuscule compared to the league itself. But they voluntarily gave up the non profit status because of just this sort of misinformation . If you don't want to watch the NFL, don't watch it. But don't put out misinformation because you don't like it. I think it's crazy the money players, owners make. But it is free enterprise. You aren't communist are you ? Mr Meat, when you're right, you're right. It didn't sound kosher to me either, so I put it in the Googler. It took .93 seconds to list many sources debunking this particular 'misconception'. https://www.google.com/search?q=nfl+tax+exempt&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8I've enjoyed the NFL since I was 7 years old watching with my Dad and Uncle. I understand many don't. But don't just make up crap to make them seem bad. They do plenty of that already on their own. And yes, it would have been easy for anybody to figure out it was BS if they wanted to. Some don't. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 04:48:58 AM » |
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Not even close to the truth. Each team has always had to pay taxes. The league office was tax exempt till a couple of years ago. Their income was minuscule compared to the league itself. But they voluntarily gave up the non profit status because of just this sort of misinformation . If you don't want to watch the NFL, don't watch it. But don't put out misinformation because you don't like it. I think it's crazy the money players, owners make. But it is free enterprise. You aren't communist are you ? Mr Meat, when you're right, you're right. It didn't sound kosher to me either, so I put it in the Googler. It took .93 seconds to list many sources debunking this particular 'misconception'. https://www.google.com/search?q=nfl+tax+exempt&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8I've enjoyed the NFL since I was 7 years old watching with my Dad and Uncle. I understand many don't. But don't just make up crap to make them seem bad. They do plenty of that already on their own. And yes, it would have been easy for anybody to figure out it was BS if they wanted to. Some don't. I had Patriots season tickets for 10 years. I loved going to each and every game, especially the playoffs! And there were more than a few of those! I let them go the year of the &*((*&^%$##^ helmet catch in the loss to the New Jersey Giants. Plus the price jumped $600 that year during the most recent crash. Just couldn't do it....I had them through the best part of their Super Bowl runs, though. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 05:22:00 AM » |
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Not even close to the truth. Each team has always had to pay taxes. The league office was tax exempt till a couple of years ago. Their income was minuscule compared to the league itself. But they voluntarily gave up the non profit status because of just this sort of misinformation . If you don't want to watch the NFL, don't watch it. But don't put out misinformation because you don't like it. I think it's crazy the money players, owners make. But it is free enterprise. You aren't communist are you ? Mr Meat, when you're right, you're right. It didn't sound kosher to me either, so I put it in the Googler. It took .93 seconds to list many sources debunking this particular 'misconception'. https://www.google.com/search?q=nfl+tax+exempt&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8I've enjoyed the NFL since I was 7 years old watching with my Dad and Uncle. I understand many don't. But don't just make up crap to make them seem bad. They do plenty of that already on their own. And yes, it would have been easy for anybody to figure out it was BS if they wanted to. Some don't. I had Patriots season tickets for 10 years. I loved going to each and every game, especially the playoffs! And there were more than a few of those! I let them go the year of the &*((*&^%$##^ helmet catch in the loss to the New Jersey Giants. Plus the price jumped $600 that year during the most recent crash. Just couldn't do it....I had them through the best part of their Super Bowl runs, though. I have to be careful what I say about the Patriots. It came back to bite me in the butt with my comments to Bill last year.  Suffice it to say, I've been a Cowboys fan since the days of Bob Lilly, Don Meredith, and Chuck Howley. Growing up in Alaska made it pretty hard to see any games in person. But one of my highlights in life was flying to Dallas for the NFC Championship game against the 49'ers in '88 or '89. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2017, 08:57:25 AM » |
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Chicago Bears fan through and through. My A F C team-Kansas City Chiefs. Because of the kneeling bull crap I no longer watch the openings before kick off. And truth be told Rob-tired of having the boyz so cursed often on Sunday nights. Was it the N Y Giants that Ruined opening night at the then new boyz digs on a Sunday night?  Sorta like the Chi Town Bears Ruined opening night for the Indianapolis Colts in their then new digs? My other favorite teams? ANY team that plays and beats the boyz.  AND by gittin rid of my dish they-N ot F or L ong-git any more indirect revenue from me. BUT the n f l needed to do something-Thinkin Barney Fife here-nip it in the bud was WHAT they Should have done when the dufus from s f started that. Surprised that the teams and the n f l do NOT have some sort of rule for that.  Seems as if they want to regulate everything else in their sport. RIDE SAFE. |
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Chicago Bears fan through and through. My A F C team-Kansas City Chiefs. Because of the kneeling bull crap I no longer watch the openings before kick off. And truth be told Rob-tired of having the boyz so cursed often on Sunday nights. Was it the N Y Giants that Ruined opening night at the then new boyz digs on a Sunday night? Sorta like the Chi Town Bears Ruined opening night for the Indianapolis Colts in their then new digs? My other favorite teams? ANY team that plays and beats the boyz. AND by gittin rid of my dish they-N ot F or L ong-git any more indirect revenue from me. BUT the n f l needed to do something-Thinkin Barney Fife here-nip it in the bud was WHAT they Should have done when the dufus from s f started that. Surprised that the teams and the n f l do NOT have some sort of rule for that. Seems as if they want to regulate everything else in their sport. RIDE SAFE. I'm obviously not a lawyer. But it seems like if they can have some personal rules of conduct about what they wear, etc. they can have a rule about standing and placing hand over heart for the anthem. I don't see why this can't be litigated into the code of conduct. But, lets keep this in perspective. The huge percentage of players, owners, coaches are patriotic citizens. |
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2017, 09:22:59 AM » |
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Chicago Bears fan through and through. My A F C team-Kansas City Chiefs. Because of the kneeling bull crap I no longer watch the openings before kick off. And truth be told Rob-tired of having the boyz so cursed often on Sunday nights. Was it the N Y Giants that Ruined opening night at the then new boyz digs on a Sunday night? Sorta like the Chi Town Bears Ruined opening night for the Indianapolis Colts in their then new digs? My other favorite teams? ANY team that plays and beats the boyz. AND by gittin rid of my dish they-N ot F or L ong-git any more indirect revenue from me. BUT the n f l needed to do something-Thinkin Barney Fife here-nip it in the bud was WHAT they Should have done when the dufus from s f started that. Surprised that the teams and the n f l do NOT have some sort of rule for that. Seems as if they want to regulate everything else in their sport. RIDE SAFE. I'm obviously not a lawyer. But it seems like if they can have some personal rules of conduct about what they wear, etc. they can have a rule about standing and placing hand over heart for the anthem. I don't see why this can't be litigated into the code of conduct. But, lets keep this in perspective. The huge percentage of players, owners, coaches are patriotic citizens. Kinda my point. Don't wear this. Don't do that. And IF an individual feels THAT strongly and refuses to Honor the Flag let him kneel in a tunnel by his damn self-and STILL fine him. How long would it take the rest of the Team to figure out on their own-so and so ain't one of us or a team mate? Oh-and if some dufus kneels in the tunnel ZERO/NONE/NADA cameras anywhere near said dufus. Do NOT under Any Circumstances GIVE the dufus(s) a Platform. Rob-How Long would we have been in the Brig for such Stupidity and Disrespect? Course You and I and Others on this board Love the Good Ole U S of A! RIDE SAFE. |
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If I were signing the dufus(s) paycheck(s) my team anyway would have a clause(s) in the contract addressing this issue. And if a dufus(s) did not sign the contract and honor said contract-well good luck in the CFL the Italian league or the Chinese league. I remember when a Mans Word was his Bond. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2017, 10:46:36 AM » |
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I don't agree with the athletes who choose to sit. Unfortunately, freedom of expression is protected under the constitution. I suggest the anthem be played while athletes are in the locker room.
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2017, 02:00:21 PM » |
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Yeah, sounded like BS to me too. Thanks to Meathead for saving me the trouble of looking it up personally.
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The problem with humanity is: we have paleolithic emotions; medieval institutions; and God-like technology.
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2017, 03:17:49 PM » |
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... Unfortunately, freedom of expression is protected under the constitution. ... This is a common misconception. The Constitution does not guarantee each citizen "freedom of expression". It only prohibits the government from passing any law to limit the freedom of speech. It does not prohibit business owners or homeowners from limiting such within their businesses or their homes. Professional football players do not have the inherent right to express their displeasure with the flag of the U.S. of A. They only have that freedom as it is granted by their employers. The employers will make the decision to grant or restrict that freedom based upon their perception of its impact on their revenue. |
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2017, 04:47:29 PM » |
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I don't agree with the athletes who choose to sit. Unfortunately, freedom of expression is protected under the constitution. I suggest the anthem be played while athletes are in the locker room.
Willow beat me to it. You do NOT have freedom of speech in private or business settings. O ly prevents govt from limiting you. Think about all those fired for saying stuff, even while not on the job. |
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2017, 04:53:36 AM » |
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New Jersey Giants.
Been 30 years or so that they've been playing in another state. Not another town, or city, or county, ANOTHER STATE. The name should be changed. We went to the Jets/Giants preseason game on Sat and we paid tolls and gassed up (it's cheaper in Jersey) and all taxes and fees and the sales taxes on our tickets and food all went to NJ. During the season there are commercials like ...... Hackensack Hospital, official hospital of the NY Giants. Hackensack, NJ. Wayne Chevrolet, official dealer for the NY Jets. Wayne, NJ. Player appearances for children's diseases at NJ institutions, etc. etc. They do nothing for New York.  |
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baldo
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2017, 05:38:48 AM » |
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New Jersey Giants.
Been 30 years or so that they've been playing in another state. Not another town, or city, or county, ANOTHER STATE. The name should be changed. We went to the Jets/Giants preseason game on Sat and we paid tolls and gassed up (it's cheaper in Jersey) and all taxes and fees and the sales taxes on our tickets and food all went to NJ. During the season there are commercials like ...... Hackensack Hospital, official hospital of the NY Giants. Hackensack, NJ. Wayne Chevrolet, official dealer for the NY Jets. Wayne, NJ. Player appearances for children's diseases at NJ institutions, etc. etc. They do nothing for New York. Nice job..... Still the Patriots nemesis....  |
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2017, 05:57:11 AM » |
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Still the Patriots nemesis.... I thought their duel nemesis were a rule book and ethics? |
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baldo
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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2017, 06:36:13 AM » |
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Still the Patriots nemesis.... I thought their duel nemesis were a rule book and ethics? No, my friend. Check Snopes. You'll see that's just not true.... *and it's dual*....lol |
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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2017, 07:06:34 AM » |
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Still the Patriots nemesis.... I thought their duel nemesis were a rule book and ethics? No, my friend. Check Snopes. You'll see that's just not true.... *and it's dual*....lol Did I miss something regarding the Giants and cheating or something?? |
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2017, 07:10:34 AM » |
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Still the Patriots nemesis.... I thought their duel nemesis were a rule book and ethics? No, my friend. Check Snopes. You'll see that's just not true.... *and it's dual*....lol Did I miss something regarding the Giants and cheating or something?? No, just 'fake news'..... |
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2017, 07:15:03 AM » |
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Still the Patriots nemesis.... I thought their duel nemesis were a rule book and ethics? No, my friend. Check Snopes. You'll see that's just not true.... *and it's dual*....lol Did I miss something regarding the Giants and cheating or something?? No, just 'fake news'..... you know how there are sayings that stick with the times ? Groovy, far out, etc. I guess fake news is the slogan that will be branded with our current time. |
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2017, 08:13:19 AM » |
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Still the Patriots nemesis.... I thought their duel nemesis were a rule book and ethics? No, my friend. Check Snopes. You'll see that's just not true.... *and it's dual*....lol Did I miss something regarding the Giants and cheating or something?? No, just 'fake news'..... you know how there are sayings that stick with the times ? Groovy, far out, etc. I guess fake news is the slogan that will be branded with our current time. Oh dude-don't harsh my mellow! RIDE SAFE. |
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Today is the tommorow you worried about yesterday. If at first you don't succeed screw it-save it for nite check. 1964 1968 U S Navy. Two cruises off Nam.
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