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« on: October 16, 2017, 08:11:49 AM »

Army Sgt. Bergdahl pleading guilty to desertion, misbehavior

http://www.msn.com/en-us/ne...3C?OCID=ansmsnnews11

FORT BRAGG, N.C. (AP) — Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told a military judge on Monday that he’s pleading guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.

“I understand that leaving was against the law,” Bergdahl said.
“At the time, I had no intention of causing search and recovery operations,” Bergdahl added, saying that now he does understand that his decision to walk off his remote post in Afghanistan in 2009 prompted efforts to find him.

I doubt they'll execute him (though, I see that's not an option, the worst he can get is life in prison). More than likely a sentence that some liberal President (in the future) will commute.   He should have joined the Navy, much harder to walk off your posted duty.  
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 09:05:38 AM »

Hang him
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 09:54:41 AM »

Calling on recollections here BUT didn't some SOLDIERS die searching for this turd? Life plus 10 years at hard labor is too good for this turd. I don't see execution in his future either BUT one Never knows-doe's one? As an aside and a personal recollection this guy NEVER did understand the meaning of BROTHERHOOD. Course in my time-Nam-I did NOT want a protester havin my back. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2017, 10:04:57 AM »

      Bout time.......My know that I know alarm went off that something was seriously wrong when I watched that ridiculous ceremony in the rose garden. When dad stepped up lookin like one of the enemy and

 speaking Pashto. What a deal, swap 5 heinous murders for a deserter. Thank you for the sacrifice our brave men and women made searching for this piece of crap. Death is to easy. Lock him in the brig for life

at hard labor.... Vietnam 67-68     https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Obama+Bergdahl+Hero&&view=detail&mid=9D9309446537CEE679109D9309446537CEE67910&FORM=VRDGAR
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 11:01:25 AM »

     Bout time.......My know that I know alarm went off that something was seriously wrong when I watched that ridiculous ceremony in the rose garden. When dad stepped up lookin like one of the enemy and

 speaking Pashto. What a deal, swap 5 heinous murders for a deserter. Thank you for the sacrifice our brave men and women made searching for this piece of crap. Death is to easy. Lock him in the brig for life

at hard labor.... Vietnam 67-68     https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Obama+Bergdahl+Hero&&view=detail&mid=9D9309446537CEE679109D9309446537CEE67910&FORM=VRDGAR
I'd like to see the Liberals defend this one.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 11:15:18 AM »

I think what he did was wrong, and he should be punished for it. But lets keep the facts straight. A traitor is someone who aids the enemy. There is no charges or evidence of that. He is a deserter.
"At a preliminary hearing, the Army’s chief investigator, Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl, testified that he had found no evidence that any soldiers had been killed while specifically searching for Sergeant Bergdahl. Neither was there evidence that the sergeant intended to desert and join the Taliban, he said."


"And they have argued that the Army also bears some responsibility for enlisting Sergeant Bergdahl to begin with, after he had suffered a psychological breakdown and washed out of Coast Guard basic training in 2006 for having an “adjustment disorder with depression.”
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2017, 11:36:34 AM »

I see that he is pleading guilty, but I have not read he asked for or is getting a plea agreement (sentence cap) for his plea.  It seems doubtful the authorities would give him one anyway, as this should be a slam dunk case (esp with three years to prepare).  I'll bet his counsel tried to get a deal, with no success.  Still an accused is supposed to be given some credit for a straight up guilty plea.  Facing life imprisonment, it is rather strange he was not held in pretrial confinement.  He has not run off, and may get some credit there too.  So his entire case will be presented only in sentencing.
 I would expect to see psychiatric evidence in his favor.  Not insanity of course, just troubles.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2017, 03:06:56 PM »

I think what he did was wrong, and he should be punished for it. But lets keep the facts straight. A traitor is someone who aids the enemy. There is no charges or evidence of that. He is a deserter.
"At a preliminary hearing, the Army’s chief investigator, Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl, testified that he had found no evidence that any soldiers had been killed while specifically searching for Sergeant Bergdahl. Neither was there evidence that the sergeant intended to desert and join the Taliban, he said."


"And they have argued that the Army also bears some responsibility for enlisting Sergeant Bergdahl to begin with, after he had suffered a psychological breakdown and washed out of Coast Guard basic training in 2006 for having an “adjustment disorder with depression.”

Unfortunately MH, that testimony does not fit the narrative. It's juicy red meat and will be devoured as such.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2017, 04:27:12 PM »

I heard part of an interview today where he was blaming the media.
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2017, 06:33:30 PM »

I think what he did was wrong, and he should be punished for it. But lets keep the facts straight. A traitor is someone who aids the enemy. There is no charges or evidence of that. He is a deserter.
"At a preliminary hearing, the Army’s chief investigator, Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl, testified that he had found no evidence that any soldiers had been killed while specifically searching for Sergeant Bergdahl. Neither was there evidence that the sergeant intended to desert and join the Taliban, he said."


"And they have argued that the Army also bears some responsibility for enlisting Sergeant Bergdahl to begin with, after he had suffered a psychological breakdown and washed out of Coast Guard basic training in 2006 for having an “adjustment disorder with depression.”

Unfortunately MH, that testimony does not fit the narrative. It's juicy red meat and will be devoured as such.

You mean the Obama narrative that he is an outstanding soldier?
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2017, 06:46:04 PM »

I think what he did was wrong, and he should be punished for it. But lets keep the facts straight. A traitor is someone who aids the enemy. There is no charges or evidence of that. He is a deserter.
"At a preliminary hearing, the Army’s chief investigator, Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl, testified that he had found no evidence that any soldiers had been killed while specifically searching for Sergeant Bergdahl. Neither was there evidence that the sergeant intended to desert and join the Taliban, he said."


"And they have argued that the Army also bears some responsibility for enlisting Sergeant Bergdahl to begin with, after he had suffered a psychological breakdown and washed out of Coast Guard basic training in 2006 for having an “adjustment disorder with depression.”

Unfortunately MH, that testimony does not fit the narrative. It's juicy red meat and will be devoured as such.

You mean the Obama narrative that he is an outstanding soldier?
This is what Obama said about the release of Bergdahl:

THE PRESIDENT:  Good afternoon, everybody.  This morning, I called Bob and Jani Bergdahl and told them that after nearly five years in captivity, their son, Bowe, is coming home.

Sergeant Bergdahl has missed birthdays and holidays and the simple moments with family and friends, which all of us take for granted.  But while Bowe was gone he was never forgotten.  His parents thought about him and prayed for him every single day, as did his sister, Sky, who prayed for his safe return.

He wasn’t forgotten by his community in Idaho, or the military, which rallied to support the Bergdahls through thick and thin.  And he wasn’t forgotten by his country, because the United States of America does not ever leave our men and women in uniform behind.

As Commander-in-Chief, I am proud of the servicemembers who recovered Sergeant Bergdahl and brought him safely out of harm’s way.  As usual, they performed with extraordinary courage and professionalism, and they have made their nation proud.

Right now, our top priority is making sure that Bowe gets the care and support that he needs and that he can be reunited with his family as soon as possible.

I'm also grateful for the tireless work of our diplomats, and for the cooperation of the government of Qatar in helping to secure Bowe’s release.  We've worked for several years to achieve this goal, and earlier this week I was able to personally thank the Emir of Qatar for his leadership in helping us get it done.  As part of this effort, the United States is transferring five detainees from the prison in Guantanamo Bay to Qatar.  The Qatari government has given us assurances that it will put in place measures to protect our national security.

I also want to express gratitude to the Afghan government, which has always supported our efforts to secure Bowe’s release. Going forward, the United States will continue to support an Afghan-led process of reconciliation, which could help secure a hard-earned peace within a sovereign and unified Afghanistan.

As I said earlier this week, we're committed to winding down the war in Afghanistan, and we are committed to closing Gitmo.  But we also made an ironclad commitment to bring our prisoners of war home.  That's who we are as Americans.  It's a profound obligation within our military, and today, at least in this instance, it's a promise we've been able to keep.

I am mindful, though, that there are many troops who remain missing in the past.  That's why we're never going to forget; we're never going to give up our search for servicemembers who remain unaccounted for.  We also remain deeply committed to securing the release of American citizens who are unjustly detained abroad and deserve to be reunited with their families, just like the Bergdahls soon will be.

Bob and Jani, today families across America share in the joy that I know you feel.  As a parent, I can't imagine the hardship that you guys have gone through.  As President, I know that I speak for all Americans when I say we cannot wait for the moment when you are reunited and your son, Bowe, is back in your arms.



Nowhere in there does he say anything about him being an outstanding soldier.  coolsmiley
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2017, 07:50:34 PM »

So the enlighten are correct in that President Obama didn't say that.  but his administration did. Susan Rice as his National Advisor said "He served with Honor and Distinction" (if the link works feel free to look that up enlighten ones.

www.weeklystandard.com/susan-rice-bergdahl-served-with-honor-and.../794066

The same Susan Rice who mimicked the narrative of a You tube video instigated a terrorist attack in Benghazi.  That's real credible. Covered by his pawn.  Get real.

Clearly not being from the combat element of the military you don't have a true understanding of how evil this is to his combat brothers.  He was standing post.  He had an obligation to protect his fellow comrades.  I guess you have forgotten the First General Order "I will not leave my post unless properly relieved". But hey we enlightened what's going to happen. I

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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2017, 08:13:46 PM »

So the enlighten are correct in that President Obama didn't say that.  but his administration did. Susan Rice as his National Advisor said "He served with Honor and Distinction" (if the link works feel free to look that up enlighten ones.

www.weeklystandard.com/susan-rice-bergdahl-served-with-honor-and.../794066

The same Susan Rice who mimicked the narrative of a You tube video instigated a terrorist attack in Benghazi.  That's real credible. Covered by his pawn.  Get real.

Clearly not being from the combat element of the military you don't have a true understanding of how evil this is to his combat brothers.  He was standing post.  He had an obligation to protect his fellow comrades.  I guess you have forgotten the First General Order "I will not leave my post unless properly relieved". But hey we enlightened what's going to happen. I

As I stated earlier "No clue".

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Well, I guess you didn't read what I said. HE IS A DESERTER. And should be punished as such. I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of the Navy. Clearly only Marines and Army is qualified in your opinion to understand the military.
Just so you know many Sailors have died for their country. Who has "no clue" ?
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2017, 08:46:19 PM »

Susan Rice also said this :


President Barack Obama's national security adviser said Friday that her full-throated praise of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was appropriate given the former Taliban prisoner's willingness to go to war for his country -- despite questions about whether or not he deserted his Army colleagues.
Susan Rice, who on Sunday said Bergdahl served the United States with "honor and distinction," told CNN in an interview that she was speaking about the fact the Idaho native enlisted and went to Afghanistan in the service of his country.
"I realize there has been lots of discussion and controversy around this," Rice said. "But what I was referring to was the fact that this was a young man who volunteered to serve his country in uniform at a time of war. That, in and of itself, is a very honorable thing."


She also said if it was determined he deserted, the appropriate measures would be dealt.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2017, 10:49:59 PM »

Nowhere in there does he say anything about him being an outstanding soldier.

Zero's entire speech in bringing Bergdahl home was to show how he as commander in chief was the outstanding soldier.  And to reinforce he was getting out of Afghanistan and Gitmo and how his foreign policy was good and righteous.  Bergdahl (and his parents) were just props for his big moment.

The US should even bring deserters home and out of foreign captivity, if it can be done in a reasonable manner (no big ransoms - we would not pay extortionate ransoms for our POWs in either Korea or Vietnam, and almost none of them deserted their post in wartime) and without compromising troops who remain overseas or national security.  But trading him for five top Taliban killers was a terrible deal (and no commander in chief moment by any stretch of the imagination).  Bringing him home to a Whitehouse press conference with the parents was a terrible deal, and showed (yet again) how Zero valued his own PR over national security and the good order and discipline of the military.  He may not have proclaimed Bergdahl an outstanding soldier, but he was being hailed as a returning son of America in a most positive way.

And while the military investigation would be a detailed one, it was soon clear that no disposition of Bergdahl's case would be proposed or moved on so long as Zero remained in office.  And you'll note that the Nuremberg trials in occupation Germany (which were far more complex than this one, and resulted in 12 death by hanging sentences) were completed in 1945-6.  



    
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2017, 01:25:07 AM »

Nowhere in there does he say anything about him being an outstanding soldier.

Zero's entire speech in bringing Bergdahl home was to show how he as commander in chief was the outstanding soldier.  And to reinforce he was getting out of Afghanistan and Gitmo and how his foreign policy was good and righteous.  Bergdahl (and his parents) were just props for his big moment.

The US should even bring deserters home and out of foreign captivity, if it can be done in a reasonable manner (no big ransoms - we would not pay extortionate ransoms for our POWs in either Korea or Vietnam, and almost none of them deserted their post in wartime) and without compromising troops who remain overseas or national security.  But trading him for five top Taliban killers was a terrible deal (and no commander in chief moment by any stretch of the imagination).  Bringing him home to a Whitehouse press conference with the parents was a terrible deal, and showed (yet again) how Zero valued his own PR over national security and the good order and discipline of the military.  He may not have proclaimed Bergdahl an outstanding soldier, but he was being hailed as a returning son of America in a most positive way.

And while the military investigation would be a detailed one, it was soon clear that no disposition of Bergdahl's case would be proposed or moved on so long as Zero remained in office.  And you'll note that the Nuremberg trials in occupation Germany (which were far more complex than this one, and resulted in 12 death by hanging sentences) were completed in 1945-6.  



    
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2017, 04:13:27 AM »

Nowhere in there does he say anything about him being an outstanding soldier.

Zero's entire speech in bringing Bergdahl home was to show how he as commander in chief was the outstanding soldier.  And to reinforce he was getting out of Afghanistan and Gitmo and how his foreign policy was good and righteous.  Bergdahl (and his parents) were just props for his big moment.

The US should even bring deserters home and out of foreign captivity, if it can be done in a reasonable manner (no big ransoms - we would not pay extortionate ransoms for our POWs in either Korea or Vietnam, and almost none of them deserted their post in wartime) and without compromising troops who remain overseas or national security.  But trading him for five top Taliban killers was a terrible deal (and no commander in chief moment by any stretch of the imagination).  Bringing him home to a Whitehouse press conference with the parents was a terrible deal, and showed (yet again) how Zero valued his own PR over national security and the good order and discipline of the military.  He may not have proclaimed Bergdahl an outstanding soldier, but he was being hailed as a returning son of America in a most positive way.

And while the military investigation would be a detailed one, it was soon clear that no disposition of Bergdahl's case would be proposed or moved on so long as Zero remained in office.  And you'll note that the Nuremberg trials in occupation Germany (which were far more complex than this one, and resulted in 12 death by hanging sentences) were completed in 1945-6. 
   
Your disdain for our former president has distorted your view of the situation. (his name is Obama)  coolsmiley

I have seen you vacillate on so many issues and support unpopular positions for the sake of some unknown reason but this is overboard and indefensible. The truth is the truth and Bergdahl is a deserter held up as a good soldier and given in trade for five killers that will cost the US more lives. The trade that was offered set the level of importance since you dont do trades for traitors.

It may also suggest that the former had no idea what the US was about and how patriotism works, further fueling the idea that he was not a real president of the US, knowing what made the US tick and caring about those he represented.  Like other presidents did before he could have mounted a rescue and if it didn't work have possible egg on his face. But this was to difficult for him. 


Jess is right on and I agree totally as many do.

What our former president did was is nothing more than treason and against everything the US stands for.

I will let McCain in a recent speech answer for our former president in defense of his actions, in Mc Cains recent speech
mirrors the former pres ideals.

"To abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems," he said, "is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history."
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2017, 05:14:50 AM »

Nowhere in there does he say anything about him being an outstanding soldier.

Zero's entire speech in bringing Bergdahl home was to show how he as commander in chief was the outstanding soldier.  And to reinforce he was getting out of Afghanistan and Gitmo and how his foreign policy was good and righteous.  Bergdahl (and his parents) were just props for his big moment.

The US should even bring deserters home and out of foreign captivity, if it can be done in a reasonable manner (no big ransoms - we would not pay extortionate ransoms for our POWs in either Korea or Vietnam, and almost none of them deserted their post in wartime) and without compromising troops who remain overseas or national security.  But trading him for five top Taliban killers was a terrible deal (and no commander in chief moment by any stretch of the imagination).  Bringing him home to a Whitehouse press conference with the parents was a terrible deal, and showed (yet again) how Zero valued his own PR over national security and the good order and discipline of the military.  He may not have proclaimed Bergdahl an outstanding soldier, but he was being hailed as a returning son of America in a most positive way.

And while the military investigation would be a detailed one, it was soon clear that no disposition of Bergdahl's case would be proposed or moved on so long as Zero remained in office.  And you'll note that the Nuremberg trials in occupation Germany (which were far more complex than this one, and resulted in 12 death by hanging sentences) were completed in 1945-6. 
   
Your disdain for our former president has distorted your view of the situation. (his name is Obama)  coolsmiley

I have seen you vacillate on so many issues and support unpopular positions for the sake of some unknown reason but this is overboard and indefensible. The truth is the truth and Bergdahl is a deserter held up as a good soldier and given in trade for five killers that will cost the US more lives. The trade that was offered set the level of importance since you dont do trades for traitors.

It may also suggest that the former had no idea what the US was about and how patriotism works, further fueling the idea that he was not a real president of the US, knowing what made the US tick and caring about those he represented.  Like other presidents did before he could have mounted a rescue and if it didn't work have possible egg on his face. But this was to difficult for him. 


Jess is right on and I agree totally as many do.

What our former president did was is nothing more than treason and against everything the US stands for.

I will let McCain in a recent speech answer for our former president in defense of his actions, in Mc Cains recent speech
mirrors the former pres ideals.

"To abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems," he said, "is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history."
Your response shows how little you know of me, how little you know of military laws, how little you know of our country. You have no room to speak of patriotism.
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2017, 05:37:06 AM »

Going back to the moment, I thought it was policy for years, as a nation, that we don't negotiate with terrorists!
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2017, 05:55:35 AM »

Your response shows how little you know of me, how little you know of military laws, how little you know of our country. You have no room to speak of patriotism.

Congratulations at least I know one thing you learned from our former pres how not to answer but dismiss. As for knowing you how could I know someone who defends every point as if its the most important point in his life regardless of the personal position. What is so important in this issue you would defend a decision like this?

You serving should understand the significance of ransom and giving in to demands and traitor, this should be something there is no defense for. If serving allows you to support a traitors position then, I and many others really must have it wrong. I would think you would want to be faithful to the ones you served with and not endorse a failed presidency over the lives of men who served. 

 Some things you don't defend like giving away 5 terrorists for one traitor, that doesn't even take a US citizen to understand that. The former pres took a stand against guns and yet starts fast and furious or try to enact removing gun ownership rights when by your policies you have probably killed more than the laws your trying to change just like releasing 5 terrorists. I wish we could hold him personally responsible for the lives these terrorists take.
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2017, 06:02:23 AM »

Your response shows how little you know of me, how little you know of military laws, how little you know of our country. You have no room to speak of patriotism.

Congratulations at least I know one thing you learned from our former pres how not to answer but dismiss. As for knowing you how could I know someone who defends every point as if its the most important point in his life regardless of the personal position. Some things you don't defend like giving away 5 terrorists for one traitor, that doesn't even take a US citizen to understand that.
Yet again you prove you don't understand the law.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2017, 06:45:27 AM »

Yet again you prove you don't understand the law.

I guess you base your arguments on the law, why don't you explain to me what you think I don't know.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2017, 06:52:37 AM »

Yet again you prove you don't understand the law.

I guess you base your arguments on the law, why don't you explain to me what you think I don't know.
For starters, look up the laws for treason, desertion.
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2017, 07:26:03 AM »

Obama's War on the Constitution
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2014/06/03/obamas-war-on-the-constitution-n1846624

Obama secretly backing Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/3/inside-the-ring-muslim-brotherhood-has-obamas-secr/

FLASHBACK--Obama: ‘Families Across America Share in Joy’ of Bergdahl’s Release
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/flashback-obama-said-families-across-america-share-joy-bergdahls-release

Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. ... The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason."

Bowe Bergdahl pleads guilty to desertion, faces up to life in prison

OK so now that Bergdahl was convicted or admitted to desertion and its upheld by a military court all we need to do is get the former president to admit or try him on any counts that a normal citizen would be tried on to prove treason.

So what dont I understand again? Bergdahl is admitted desertion and O we haven't tried yet. So 1 for 2 is not bad. I wouldn't say its me who doesn't understand but you.

Of course that is what the liberals do, say you don't understand or don't have the authority like they do to Trump and when its challenged in court we find out that yes he does have the authority and right. The idea that Bergdahal is a deserter has already been upheld now all we need to do is pursue O.

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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2017, 07:30:10 AM »

Far as deserting a post goes myself Personally did NOT want to let my BROTHERS down EVER. Stood a Lot of mid watches fell back into the rack bout 0408 and back up and at em at 0600. NOT bragging here so do NOT even take it that way-was part and parcel of Wearing My Uniform. And the Senior N C Os and the Skipper and X O laid out What WOULD Happen should we decide to abandon our post. And I Believe the Penalties Are a lot more severe in a War Zone. Jess can let me know but I believe that to be correct. Do NOT Care how you spin it or package it bergdahl deserted. I also stand by what I stated earlier-life plus 10 years at hard labor. Too bad he's not a squid-he'd be going to a U S Navy Brig with the Marines in charge of his sorry ass. We here All KNOW how Jarheads luv squids!  Roll Eyes RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2017, 07:35:40 AM »

Obama's War on the Constitution
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2014/06/03/obamas-war-on-the-constitution-n1846624

Obama secretly backing Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/3/inside-the-ring-muslim-brotherhood-has-obamas-secr/

FLASHBACK--Obama: ‘Families Across America Share in Joy’ of Bergdahl’s Release
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/flashback-obama-said-families-across-america-share-joy-bergdahls-release

Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. ... The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason."

Bowe Bergdahl pleads guilty to desertion, faces up to life in prison

OK so now that Bergdahl was convicted or admitted to desertion and its upheld by a military court all we need to do is get the former president to admit or try him on any counts that a normal citizen would be tried on to prove treason.

So what dont I understand again? Bergdahl is admitted desertion and O we haven't tried yet. So 1 for 2 is not bad. I wouldn't say its me who doesn't understand but you. Bergdahl is finally a slam dunk now how about O? Opinions, decisions upheld by a court, so what do you have to buttress your opinion?
10 minutes ago you said Bergdahl was guilty of treason. Do you now understand the difference between desertion and treason ? You can cry to the skies all you want that Obama is a traitor, still doesn't make it so. That makes you 0 for 2.
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2017, 07:44:33 AM »

10 minutes ago you said Bergdahl was guilty of treason. Do you now understand the difference between desertion and treason ? You can cry to the skies all you want that Obama is a traitor, still doesn't make it so. That makes you 0 for 2.

I will let you in on a little secret when they prosecute someone they throw every conceivable charge against them that they think can stick and then see what sticks. So even if Bergdahal is guilty of treason to get him on desertion is good enough he is done and the shame and consequences has finally come home to roost since O was not there to protect a deserter, loathsome act in itself.

Bergdahal going to jail 1

O going to jail  0

that makes 1 for 2

Must be interesting in watching games with you.
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2017, 07:49:50 AM »

10 minutes ago you said Bergdahl was guilty of treason. Do you now understand the difference between desertion and treason ? You can cry to the skies all you want that Obama is a traitor, still doesn't make it so. That makes you 0 for 2.

I will let you in on a little secret when they prosecute someone they throw every conceivable charge against them that they think can stick and then see what sticks. So even if Bergdahal is guilty of treason to get him on desertion is good enough he is done and the shame and consequences has finally come home to roost since O was not there to protect a deserter.

Bergdahal going to jail 1

O going to jail  0

that makes 1 for 2

Must be interesting in watching games with you.
There again you show your ignorance to military law.
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