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« on: November 26, 2017, 10:53:11 AM » |
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/26/us/las-vegas-shooting-survivor-killed/index.htmlMcClellan is not the only survivor of the Las Vegas massacre who has died in the past weeks. Dennis Carver, 52, and his wife, Lorraine, 53, died in a car crash on October less than a mile from their home in Riverside, California. Couple who survived Las Vegas shooting die in car crash The couple were killed when their Mercedes smashed into a metal gate and brick pillars outside their community. A massive fire erupted after the wreck, the California Highway Patrol said. It took firefighters nearly an hour to contain the blaze.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2017, 11:54:01 AM » |
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I see. Your All Knowing, should we praise your name?
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"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other." John Adams 10/11/1798
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2017, 12:30:46 PM » |
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Would not be the first time
WONT be the last
This incident has “conspiracy” all over it
IMHO
Dan
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2017, 12:45:20 PM » |
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From the huge number of people there that night, I guess I'd be surprised if at least one person(s) in a single car hadn't been in a fatal wreck by now. Even if the math doesn't quite add up based on per capita fatal automobile incidents when accounting for less than a full year's passing, the numbers are averages with high and low totals. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to check on where Hillary was the day of their crash, but I still wouldn't see a connection without more to go on ☺
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2017, 02:17:57 PM » |
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From the huge number of people there that night, I guess I'd be surprised if at least one person(s) in a single car hadn't been in a fatal wreck by now. Even if the math doesn't quite add up based on per capita fatal automobile incidents when accounting for less than a full year's passing, the numbers are averages with high and low totals. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to check on where Hillary was the day of their crash, but I still wouldn't see a connection without more to go on ☺
ding ding ding! Yes, and I am sure if you ask someone on the street if they any of their friends who have a connection to 9/11 quite a few will say yes.. It was a huge event, with many people involved. Odds are that someone who was there will die in an accident, win the lottery, get a promotion, have a relative die, get struck by lightning, or fall down a flight of stairs. Do I think there are lots of unanswered questions about Las Vegas? yup. Do I think there were attack helicopters and strike teams involved? Nope. Promoting a conspiracy does a great disservice to the memories of those who died or were injured in that incident. It's an insult. If you don't know why, I can't explain it to you.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2017, 02:59:45 PM » |
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From the huge number of people there that night, I guess I'd be surprised if at least one person(s) in a single car hadn't been in a fatal wreck by now. Even if the math doesn't quite add up based on per capita fatal automobile incidents when accounting for less than a full year's passing, the numbers are averages with high and low totals. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to check on where Hillary was the day of their crash, but I still wouldn't see a connection without more to go on ☺
ding ding ding! Yes, and I am sure if you ask someone on the street if they any of their friends who have a connection to 9/11 quite a few will say yes.. It was a huge event, with many people involved. Odds are that someone who was there will die in an accident, win the lottery, get a promotion, have a relative die, get struck by lightning, or fall down a flight of stairs. Do I think there are lots of unanswered questions about Las Vegas? yup. Do I think there were attack helicopters and strike teams involved? Nope. Promoting a conspiracy does a great disservice to the memories of those who died or were injured in that incident. It's an insult. If you don't know why, I can't explain it to you. Don't know if swinging that far the other way is warranted, just answering the OP's question would probably be enough if we're trying to be civil here. (I still think they're hiding things we should know, like "what sells more, Left Twix or Right Twix?". 
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2017, 03:13:33 PM » |
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I see. Your All Knowing, should we praise your name? you asked the question. I answered. No praise necessary .  Also, I agree with Pyschotic Bovine. It is an insult to the people affected in this tragedy to be promoting conspiracy theories such as this.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2017, 04:40:45 PM » |
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Point of fact witnesses are being killed and dying.
Does that indicate anything else, I do not know and neither does anyone on this board.
I will say it appears the authorities are making some mistakes and not disclosing everything. It also appears the hotel and others are try to cover its ass.
Mistakes, non disclosures and ass covering can lead folks into conspiracy thoughts and discussions. Not saying it is right just that is what it is.
As for disrespect, think about folks that make investigating mistakes, fail to disclose and cover there ass. Start there not here.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2017, 04:51:07 PM » |
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I see. Your All Knowing, should we praise your name? you asked the question. I answered. No praise necessary .  Also, I agree with Pyschotic Bovine. It is an insult to the people affected in this tragedy to be promoting conspiracy theories such as this. All Knowing!, did u ponder, why the couple who died in their mercedes were going so fast that their car burst into flames while entering the development where they live? they knew the area. it took an hour to put out a car fire? should never take that long unless there were special additives the car would burst into flames. was it a diesel or gas mercedes? if diesel it would raise even more questions. its an insult to all, if the facts are not revealed.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2017, 05:47:10 PM » |
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just like the 2,000 architects and engineers who signed off on 911 as B.S. so google who owns the media ?
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2017, 03:46:52 AM » |
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You would have to completely oblivious to life not to ask questions about Vegas. To much information that is not being revealed and kept secret. There is no disservice to those killed since its the truth that would make all rest in peace. To hide the truth is the actual disservice, dont we kind of owe it to those that have died to reveal and prosecute those that could be responsible? Kind of like a senseless death actually accounted for something in one of the biggest arrests in history. I doubt we will ever see it though, especially since we have not really gotten all the truth about 911 either. Like why did building 7 go down without it being hit and without much damage and it was a bunker building for the NY government. Heck we cannot even prosecute those in authority that do wrong things so why would we ever be able to reveal the truth. Its like watching one of those spy movies but the difference is we are in it and people are getting killed. What I find that is interesting is the man and woman that came at the beginning of the concert and said everyone was going to die and actually warned them. The other is the guy on 4chan that said there was something going to go down in Vegas and not to be in a big event with alot of people, 2 days before the concert. There is also the accident outside Vegas a week or so after the shooting. Kymberley Suchomel https://www.snopes.com/2017/10/14/survivor-las-vegas-mass-shooting-dies-suddenly/Her quote: I have been watching the news non-stop since I arrived back home to my family. And it just doesn’t make sense. The story that are feeding everyone doesn’t add up to our eyewitness accounts. There is something wrong with what they are saying & the evidence seems fake if you ask me. There are multiple people stating that there was a lady towards the beginning of the evening who had made her way up to the stage warning people that we were all gunna die her and her boyfriend were escorted off the premises. Why has she not been mentioned by authorities? Every single survivor I have talked to also remembers multiple shooters, and at least one from the ground why aren’t we being taken more seriously? Tons of things don’t add up. Kymberley was young and had an exciting life ahead of her. Tragically, she passed away unexpectedly on October 9, just a week after the shooting. Her grandmother, Julie Norton, told VV Daily Press that Kymberley may have died in her sleep after her husband, Mike, left for work at 4:30 a.m. No cause of death was found but some say it was a seizure that caused it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2017, 05:57:31 AM » |
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I don't think anyone would deny that either there's a lot more to search out, or at least release to the public, but the OP asked who believes people are being murdered because of it. If, "There are multiple people stating that there was a lady towards the beginning of the evening who had made her way up to the stage warning people that we were all gunna die her and her boyfriend were escorted off the premises." then it does seem strange that it hasn't been widely reported, of course the real question is, "Did that actually happen?". Any story can fly around the world in minutes, repeated and edited, and for some reason false statements grow faster than boring stuff. I look forward to continued coverage, but in my personal life, having not been in Vegas that night, I don't have any reason to argue for or against a string of murders.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2017, 06:57:45 AM » |
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As to the original question, twenty-two thousand people? Really??? You would have to completely oblivious to life not to ask questions about Vegas. ... I disagree strongly with Robert's statement. I am not completely oblivious to life but I am not driven by the so called news media and some people's driving desire to find multiple hidden conspiracies. I can believe that the incident probably is still under investigation, or at least the portion that accounts for what led up to the shootings. I don't expect the police (authorities?) to release to the press everything they know or suspect. That would not be conducive to progress in a good investigation, would it? I was not in Las Vegas. I've been told so far everything that I need to know at this time about what happened in Las Vegas. There are too many things in my own personal life that need attention for me to be overly concerned about what was done by one or a group of people. There were almost 500 people killed on U.S. hiways Memorial Day weekend. Anyone wonder about conspiracies associated with those deaths? That's almost ten times the number of people killed in the L.V. incident. The supposed couple that announced everyone was going to die? They were far from correct, were they not? I wonder what the ratio of genuinely homicidal crazy people is within the population. I'll bet that's a number that would get a lot of people worrying.
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2017, 10:37:48 AM » |
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Willow you have neither agreed with nor discounted the conspiracy theories going around. You just have no desire to find out more, that is in stark contrast to someone who shuts the book on the matter. My reference was for those that with the little facts we know decide there is nothing there.
Understanding that there may be more yet not to have the burning desire to find out is a choice. I'm also glad that you trust those in authority to reveal and investigate the matter at their pleasure.
I don't worry about crazy people I only ponder those with an agenda and the ability to pull it off, especially if it might effect me.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2017, 11:30:46 AM » |
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I don't think it is a conspiracy or coverup. The folks that have died after the fact couldn't really be called witnesses. They were people who were there when a nutbag opened fire several hundred yards away. Not really much to witness except the results of what happened around you.
I do think the media is being quiet about this incident, don't know if it is on their own or from sources above them. Personally I think this is because the nut bag doesn't fit the medias or the people directing the medias agenda.
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