Accusations - Are they enough? (political but also Life in general)

[Willow]

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

I must have missed something.  I don't keep really good track of the "news" but I didn't see any accusations of the 32 year old having sex with teen aged women.  There were accusations of "dating" and one of kissing.  There was one accusation that a teenager took her shirt off.  All of those accusations have been denied and are yet unproven and yet folks are already going to assumptions of child molestation and pedophilia.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

I must have missed something.  I don't keep really good track of the "news" but I didn't see any accusations of the 32 year old having sex with teen aged women.  There were accusations of "dating" and one of kissing.  There was one accusation that a teenager took her shirt off.  All of those accusations have been denied and are yet unproven and yet folks are already going to assumptions of child molestation and pedophilia.   

Once again you caught me in imprecise wording. I should have written the sentences more clearly. Such as, I understand it is legal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl in the state of Alabama . If a U.S. Senate candidate has "dates" with said 16 year old girls, were I Alabamian (sp) I'd want to know. 

[98valk]

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

I must have missed something.  I don't keep really good track of the "news" but I didn't see any accusations of the 32 year old having sex with teen aged women.  There were accusations of "dating" and one of kissing.  There was one accusation that a teenager took her shirt off.  All of those accusations have been denied and are yet unproven and yet folks are already going to assumptions of child molestation and pedophilia.   

Once again you caught me in imprecise wording. I should have written the sentences more clearly. Such as, I understand it is legal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl in the state of Alabama . If a U.S. Senate candidate has "dates" with said 16 year old girls, were I Alabamian (sp) I'd want to know. 

why? u jealous u couldn't attract younger women to date even though its legal? 
some history, very interesting.
The first recorded age-of-consent law dates from 1275 in England; as part of its provisions on rape, the Statute of Westminster 1275 made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was later interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.[5]

The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.[6] Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."[3]

A general shift in social and legal attitudes toward issues of sex occurred during the modern era. Attitudes on the appropriate age of permission for females to engage in sexual activity drifted toward adulthood. While ages from 10 to 13 were typically regarded as acceptable ages for sexual consent in Western countries during the mid-19th century,[1] by the end of the 19th century changing attitudes towards sexuality and childhood resulted in the raising of the age of consent.[5]
Several articles written by investigative journalist William Thomas Stead in the late 19th century on the issue of child prostitution in London led to public outrage and ultimately to the raising of the age of consent to 16.

The English common law had traditionally set the age of consent within the range of 10 to 12, but in 1875 the age was raised to 13.
The Council of Europe Convention on Action against Trafficking in Human Beings (which came into force in 2008) also deals with commercial sexual exploitation of children.
Several Western countries have raised their ages of consent recently. These include Canada (in 2008—from 14 to 16); and in Europe, Iceland (in 2007—from 14 to 15), Lithuania (in 2010—from 14 to 16), Croatia (in 2013—from 14 to 15), and Spain (in 2015—from 13 to 16).

In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10–12, (in Delaware, it was 7 in 1895).[10] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" articles, female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign,[11] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16–18 years by 1920.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

[3fan4life]

What I don't understand is someone who votes for candidate R admitting they don't care what they've done because they are not candidate D.

Can you also NOT understand the reverse of this?

Or is that OK with you?

[Varmintmist]

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

Different time, different place.

[3fan4life]

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

I must have missed something.  I don't keep really good track of the "news" but I didn't see any accusations of the 32 year old having sex with teen aged women.  There were accusations of "dating" and one of kissing.  There was one accusation that a teenager took her shirt off.  All of those accusations have been denied and are yet unproven and yet folks are already going to assumptions of child molestation and pedophilia.   

Once again you caught me in imprecise wording. I should have written the sentences more clearly. Such as, I understand it is legal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl in the state of Alabama . If a U.S. Senate candidate has "dates" with said 16 year old girls, were I Alabamian (sp) I'd want to know. 

why? u jealous u couldn't attract younger women to date even though its legal? 
some history, very interesting.
The first recorded age-of-consent law dates from 1275 in England; as part of its provisions on rape, the Statute of Westminster 1275 made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was later interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.[5]

The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.[6] Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."[3]

A general shift in social and legal attitudes toward issues of sex occurred during the modern era. Attitudes on the appropriate age of permission for females to engage in sexual activity drifted toward adulthood. While ages from 10 to 13 were typically regarded as acceptable ages for sexual consent in Western countries during the mid-19th century,[1] by the end of the 19th century changing attitudes towards sexuality and childhood resulted in the raising of the age of consent.[5]
Several articles written by investigative journalist William Thomas Stead in the late 19th century on the issue of child prostitution in London led to public outrage and ultimately to the raising of the age of consent to 16.

The English common law had traditionally set the age of consent within the range of 10 to 12, but in 1875 the age was raised to 13.
The Council of Europe Convention on Action against Trafficking in Human Beings (which came into force in 2008) also deals with commercial sexual exploitation of children.
Several Western countries have raised their ages of consent recently. These include Canada (in 2008—from 14 to 16); and in Europe, Iceland (in 2007—from 14 to 15), Lithuania (in 2010—from 14 to 16), Croatia (in 2013—from 14 to 15), and Spain (in 2015—from 13 to 16).

In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10–12, (in Delaware, it was 7 in 1895).[10] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" articles, female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign,[11] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16–18 years by 1920.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

My Grandmother was 14 when she married my Grandfather who was 19.

My mother was 17 when she married my father who was 20.

Both of them loved their wives, raised children, worked hard and stayed married until "death do us part".

Today both of them would be put in jail.

[Jess from VA]

Why don't the right-thinking people of a state organize to recruit and support an independent candidate with unsullied character?

Gryph, they could recruit and support a good candidate.  They did just that.  It seems doubtful the Rep Party of AL had any inkling about these accusations or issues until we all did.

It was only at the 11th hour that the accusations started flying.  It takes time and money to put someone up for election.  It's not done in a few days (certainly not done well).

[The emperor has no clothes]

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

I must have missed something.  I don't keep really good track of the "news" but I didn't see any accusations of the 32 year old having sex with teen aged women.  There were accusations of "dating" and one of kissing.  There was one accusation that a teenager took her shirt off.  All of those accusations have been denied and are yet unproven and yet folks are already going to assumptions of child molestation and pedophilia.    

Once again you caught me in imprecise wording. I should have written the sentences more clearly. Such as, I understand it is legal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl in the state of Alabama . If a U.S. Senate candidate has "dates" with said 16 year old girls, were I Alabamian (sp) I'd want to know.  

why? u jealous u couldn't attract younger women to date even though its legal?  
some history, very interesting.
The first recorded age-of-consent law dates from 1275 in England; as part of its provisions on rape, the Statute of Westminster 1275 made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was later interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.[5]

The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.[6] Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."[3]

A general shift in social and legal attitudes toward issues of sex occurred during the modern era. Attitudes on the appropriate age of permission for females to engage in sexual activity drifted toward adulthood. While ages from 10 to 13 were typically regarded as acceptable ages for sexual consent in Western countries during the mid-19th century,[1] by the end of the 19th century changing attitudes towards sexuality and childhood resulted in the raising of the age of consent.[5]
Several articles written by investigative journalist William Thomas Stead in the late 19th century on the issue of child prostitution in London led to public outrage and ultimately to the raising of the age of consent to 16.

The English common law had traditionally set the age of consent within the range of 10 to 12, but in 1875 the age was raised to 13.
The Council of Europe Convention on Action against Trafficking in Human Beings (which came into force in 2008) also deals with commercial sexual exploitation of children.
Several Western countries have raised their ages of consent recently. These include Canada (in 2008—from 14 to 16); and in Europe, Iceland (in 2007—from 14 to 15), Lithuania (in 2010—from 14 to 16), Croatia (in 2013—from 14 to 15), and Spain (in 2015—from 13 to 16).

In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10–12, (in Delaware, it was 7 in 1895).[10] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" articles, female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign,[11] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16–18 years by 1920.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

My Grandmother was 14 when she married my Grandfather who was 19.

My mother was 17 when she married my father who was 20.

Both of them loved their wives, raised children, worked hard and stayed married until "death do us part".

Today both of them would be put in jail.

My mother was 16 when I was born, my father 19. They married before I was born (or so I was told). I fail to see the comparity to a 16 year old girl and a 32 year old man. Seems a character flaw to me. But it seems many conservatives here don't seem troubled by that.
A 17 and 20 year old would arrested today ? I haven't kept up with those kinds of laws.

[3fan4life]

My Grandmother was 14 when she married my Grandfather who was 19.

My mother was 17 when she married my father who was 20.

Both of them loved their wives, raised children, worked hard and stayed married until "death do us part".

Today both of them would be put in jail.

My mother was 16 when I was born, my father 19. They married before I was born (or so I was told). I fail to see the comparity to a 16 year old girl and a 32 year old man. Seems a character flaw to me. But it seems many conservatives here don't seem troubled by that.
A 17 and 20 year old would arrested today ? I haven't kept up with those kinds of laws.
[/quote]

It would depend entirely on the state.

Virginia sets the age of consent @ 18.

Virginia also doesn't have a "Romeo" law.

Which means that a 19 y/o would become a sex offender for having sex with a 17 y/o.

West Virginia has a "Romeo" law plus the age of consent is 16, so it wouldn't be a problem there.

Neither would a 32 y/o having sex with a 16 y/o.

[Gryphon Rider]

When I was 18 I briefly dated a 15-yr-old and then a 16-yr-old, and when 19 I briefly dated a 15-yr-old.  No physical contact beyond PG-rated.  I also dated others closer to my age.  After those three I didn't want to date anyone that young; they were too immature and we ran out of things to easily talk about.

After the early 20's, a good rule of thumb for minimum age compatibility is half the oldest one's age plus 9 years.  Not for legal reasons, but so there isn't as much weirdness or, at younger ages, an imbalance of power due to age differences.

[Moonshot_1]

Blurred lines. Just in this thread alone, the comments on Roy Moore go right to "age of sexual consent" issues when even the accusers haven't gone that far in their accusations. Frankly, 30 year old accusations prior to an election are kind of suspect. If they had any value they would have leveled these accusations long before an election cycle.

I keep remembering the film clips of the Beetles coming to America and the women losing their minds when they arrived. Every famous and successful person has some kind of groupie bunch following them. I wonder how many of these "sexual harassment" complaints generate from such blurred lines.

Then there is Al Franken who takes photos of himself with his targets. Special kind of stupid right there. Can't fix that.

I think the attempt to bring down a Senate candidate over decades old accusations about an inappropriate kiss and dating practices really upped everyone's game. There are others way ahead of Moore in the line with accusations far more egregious. And this on both sides, shoot, all sides of the political spectrum.

[Bighead]

I tried finding info about the friends and family with little luck. I did find this though. In it 2 of the girls said their mothers were ok with them "dating" Moore. A 32 year old man. Probably because he was an assistant District Attorney and they saw it as a way out for their working class daughters. Seems pretty slimy of them to me. But maybe it explains some of the reasons for no reporting.
http://time.com/5029172/roy-moore-accusers/

No reporting. Perhaps because it wasnt illegal. Just a thought. There is 1 (one) alleged victim, one. Not 4 not 6 not 100, one that says she was under the age of consent.

As to seeing a way out for their daughters, think about the times and the area. The mothers grew up with a goal to be a housewife by finding a good match. The economy was a disaster, we were in Stagfaltion. Mort interest rates were 16%, CC interest rates were 22%, you could get 14% on a CD. Moore was a guy with a job, a GOOD job and on track to keep climbing the ladder.

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

You don't think it has happened in AZ?
BTW if you lived in Alabama I would want yo know about that

[¿spoom]

It's official. No men can hold office...
Unless men and women start coming forward about powerful women doing the same. Then only farm animals will be allowed to hold office.
Unless farm animals...

NEW YORK (AP) Since The New York Times published allegations of sexual harassment and assault against Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein in October, multiple men in entertainment, media and politics in the U.S. and beyond have faced allegations ranging from inappropriate behavior to forced sexual misconduct to rape. This week, allegations against "Today" show host Matt Lauer and humorist Garrison Keillor led to their prompt dismissals, while music mogul Russell Simmons stepped down from the companies he founded after a second allegation of sexual misconduct.

To be sure, prominent men have faced sexual misconduct claims before. But the accusations against Weinstein have opened a floodgate, sparked an international conversation and put new pressure on companies, industries, and political leaders to respond. President Donald Trump has condemned some of the accused, been more muted about others, and found himself again being asked about sexual harassment and misconduct allegations leveled against him during last year's presidential campaign. The Republican says they're fake.

The #Metoo moment is also prompting re-examination of past sexual misconduct claims against powerful men, including Democratic former President Bill Clinton in the 1990s. He was impeached and then acquitted of perjury and obstruction of lawmakers' investigation into his sexual encounters with a White House intern, and he settled a sexual harassment lawsuit stemming from his time as Arkansas governor.

A look at some of the men accused since the Weinstein accusations emerged:

Entertainment:

Celebrity chef John Besh Accused by 25 women of sexual harassment. He has stepped down from the company he founded.

Singer Nick Carter Accused by pop singer Melissa Schuman of raping her approximately 15 years ago. Carter has denied her allegations.

Comedian Louis C.K. Accused by five women of sexual misconduct. Planned release of film "I Love You, Daddy" halted. Netflix special canceled. He says the allegations are true and has apologized.

Cinefamily executives Hadrian Belove and Shadie Elnashai Accused of sexual misconduct. Movie theater shut down in the wake of allegations due to crippling debt.

Actor Richard Dreyfuss One woman alleges sexual harassment. He denies the allegation.

Film producer Adam Fields Accused of offering a promotion to a woman at his former employer, Relativity Media, in exchange for sex. He has denied the allegations.

Director-producer Gary Goddard Accused by one man of sexually molesting him when the man was 12. He denies the allegation.

Casting employee Andy Henry Admitted to urging women to take off their clothes during coaching sessions in 2008 while working on the "CSI" series. He was fired by his current employer.

Actor Dustin Hoffman Accused by woman of sexual harassing when she was 17. He has apologized for his behavior.

Playwright Israel Horovitz Accused by nine women of sexual misconduct, including forcible kissing and rape. He tells The New York Times his recollection of the events is different from the women's accounts and apologized "with all my heart to any woman who has ever felt compromised by my actions."

Actor Robert Knepper Accused by one woman of sexual assault. He denies the allegations.

Showrunner Andrew Kreisberg Accused by 19 women of sexual harassment and inappropriate touching. The "Supergirl" and "Arrow" showrunner has been fired by Warner Bros. Television Group. He told Variety he has made comments on women's appearances and clothes "but they were not sexualized."

Pixar and Disney Animation chief John Lasseter Accused by several women of unwanted touching and has announced he is taking a six-month leave of absence. He has acknowledged some "missteps" with employees and apologized for any behavior that made workers uncomfortable.

Actor Jeremy Piven Accused by several women of sexual misconduct. He denies all allegations.

Filmmaker Brett Ratner Accused by at least six women of sexual harassment. Playboy shelved projects with Ratner and Ratner stepped away from Warner Bros. related activities. He denies the allegations.

Comedy festival organizer Gilbert Rozon Accused by at least nine women of sexually harassing or sexually assaulting them. Rozon stepped down as president of Montreal's renowned "Just for Laughs" festival and apologized "to all those I have offended during my life."

Producer Chris Savino Accused of harassing up to 12 women. Fired from Nickelodeon. He has apologized for his behavior.

Actor Steven Seagal Accused by two women of rape. He denies the allegations.

Def Jam Records founder Russell Simmons Accused by model Keri Claussen Khalighi of coercing her to perform a sex act and later penetrating her without her consent in his New York apartment in 1991. Also accused by Sidney Lumet's daughter of taking her to his New York apartment in 1991 against her will and having sex with her. In response to Jenny Lumet's allegations, Simmons has stepped away from his companies. Simmons has also disputed Claussen Khalighi's account, saying the relationship was consensual.

Actor Tom Sizemore Accused of groping an 11-year-old actress in 2003. Utah prosecutors declined to file charges, citing witness and evidence problems. He denies the allegation.

Actor Kevin Spacey Accused by at least 24 men of sexual misconduct or assault. London police reportedly investigating two sexual assaults. Fired from "House of Cards" and replaced in Ridley Scott's completed film "All the Money in the World." Massachusetts prosecutors are investigating one allegation. His former publicist has said he is seeking unspecified treatment.

Actor Jeffrey Tambor Two women an actress on his show "Transparent" and his assistant allege sexual misconduct. He denies the allegation, saying in a statement that he has "never been a predator ever." Tambor said this week he doesn't see how he can return to the Amazon series.

Actor George Takei One man alleges sexual assault. He denies the allegation.

Writer-director James Toback Accused by hundreds of women of sexual harassment. Beverly Hills police investigating complaints. He has denied the allegations to the Los Angeles Times.

"Mad Men" creator Matthew Weiner Accused by one woman of sexual harassment. He denies the allegation.

Producer Harvey Weinstein Accused by dozens of women of sexual harassment or sexual assaults, including rape. Fired by The Weinstein Co. and expelled from various professional guilds. Under investigation by police departments in New York, London, Beverly Hills and Los Angeles. Weinstein denies all allegations of non-consensual sex, but he has apologized for causing "a lot of pain" with "the way I've behaved with colleagues in the past."

Actor Ed Westwick Accused by two women of sexual assault. The BBC pulled an Agatha Christie adaptation from its television schedule and halted production on a second sitcom starring the former "Gossip Girl' actor. Los Angeles police are investigating. He denies the allegations.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I tried finding info about the friends and family with little luck. I did find this though. In it 2 of the girls said their mothers were ok with them "dating" Moore. A 32 year old man. Probably because he was an assistant District Attorney and they saw it as a way out for their working class daughters. Seems pretty slimy of them to me. But maybe it explains some of the reasons for no reporting.
http://time.com/5029172/roy-moore-accusers/

No reporting. Perhaps because it wasnt illegal. Just a thought. There is 1 (one) alleged victim, one. Not 4 not 6 not 100, one that says she was under the age of consent.

As to seeing a way out for their daughters, think about the times and the area. The mothers grew up with a goal to be a housewife by finding a good match. The economy was a disaster, we were in Stagfaltion. Mort interest rates were 16%, CC interest rates were 22%, you could get 14% on a CD. Moore was a guy with a job, a GOOD job and on track to keep climbing the ladder.

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

You don't think it has happened in AZ?
BTW if you lived in Alabama I would want yo know about that

I did live in Alabama. Montgomery to be exact. I was only 5 though.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Blurred lines. Just in this thread alone, the comments on Roy Moore go right to "age of sexual consent" issues when even the accusers haven't gone that far in their accusations. Frankly, 30 year old accusations prior to an election are kind of suspect. If they had any value they would have leveled these accusations long before an election cycle.

I keep remembering the film clips of the Beetles coming to America and the women losing their minds when they arrived. Every famous and successful person has some kind of groupie bunch following them. I wonder how many of these "sexual harassment" complaints generate from such blurred lines.

Then there is Al Franken who takes photos of himself with his targets. Special kind of stupid right there. Can't fix that.

I think the attempt to bring down a Senate candidate over decades old accusations about an inappropriate kiss and dating practices really upped everyone's game. There are others way ahead of Moore in the line with accusations far more egregious. And this on both sides, shoot, all sides of the political spectrum.

I realize it probably doesn't matter, but some of the allegations were far beyond an inappropriate kiss. 

[Bighead]

I tried finding info about the friends and family with little luck. I did find this though. In it 2 of the girls said their mothers were ok with them "dating" Moore. A 32 year old man. Probably because he was an assistant District Attorney and they saw it as a way out for their working class daughters. Seems pretty slimy of them to me. But maybe it explains some of the reasons for no reporting.
http://time.com/5029172/roy-moore-accusers/

No reporting. Perhaps because it wasnt illegal. Just a thought. There is 1 (one) alleged victim, one. Not 4 not 6 not 100, one that says she was under the age of consent.

As to seeing a way out for their daughters, think about the times and the area. The mothers grew up with a goal to be a housewife by finding a good match. The economy was a disaster, we were in Stagfaltion. Mort interest rates were 16%, CC interest rates were 22%, you could get 14% on a CD. Moore was a guy with a job, a GOOD job and on track to keep climbing the ladder.

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

You don't think it has happened in AZ?
BTW if you lived in Alabama I would want yo know about that

I did live in Alabama. Montgomery to be exact. I was only 5 though.

Be glad you don't live in that crap hole anymore

[Jess from VA]

I think it's pretty clear.

We need to urge the CA water authority to add saltpeter to all drinking water in Los Angles. 

[G-Man]

This country really really really needs a third party that doesn't pander to the extremes of either side.  One where Canidates feel comfortable running on moderate, intelligent and centrist policies because they could ignore either extreme.  

Trump is the closest thing you will ever get.  A New York democrat who ran as a republican.  He's financially on the conservative side and couldn't care less about the social crap.  He doesn't care which bathroom Bruce Jenner uses in Trump Tower. 

[G-Man]

Would anybody be stupid enough to vote for ANYBODY just because they don't have a "D" in front ? 

Yes.  (The previous was a rhetorical question.)

I think you may be misidentifying.  These folks that are strongly opposed to where the Democratic party drivers are steering don't vote for other candidates because they are not Democratic.  They simply refuse to vote for anyone who is a Democratic party candidate.  That narrows the options.

I can understand that. What I don't understand is someone who votes for candidate R admitting they don't care what they've done because they are not candidate D.

Why don't the right-thinking people of a state organize to recruit and support an independent candidate with unsullied character?  Aren''t there enough people disgusted with the current choices?  Or does America's electoral (can't use the word "democratic" in this discussion) system not allow for independent candidates?

In this particular case the accusations were made 5 weeks before the election.  A clever tact so that the party doesn't have time to run someone else.

Unfortunately, this was how Mrs. Clinton won her senatorial seat in NY.  She was running against a repub that had to leave the race for health reasons very close to the election and the guy they had stand in had no time to mount any type of campaign.

I hope this doesn't become the new M.O. for dirty campaigns.  Wild accusations just prior to an election in order to knock out an opponent and party.

[98valk]

I think it's pretty clear.

We need to urge the CA water authority to add saltpeter to all drinking water in Los Angles. 

they already add fluoride throughout the country to the drinking water like the Germans did for the prisoner camps.
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/08/22/fluoride-affects-consciousness-will-act/

[Serk]

In this particular case the accusations were made 5 weeks before the election.  A clever tact so that the party doesn't have time to run someone else.

Ironically enough, something similar happened when at the time citizen Obama was running for a senate seat. Just before the election the sealed divorce records of his opponent leaked to the public.

Funny how that keeps happening, ain't it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/23/us/illinois-senate-campaign-thrown-into-prurient-turmoil.html

[Bighead]

I heard a poll on the radio today. Only 19% believe the accusations and the other 81% think it is BS.
And many said it would not affect their vote.

[Jess from VA]

I heard a poll on the radio today. Only 19% believe the accusations and the other 81% think it is BS.
And many said it would not affect their vote.

That sounds about what I'd expect.  The trouble is, that 19% could carry the election.  It certainly would in VA.  

Every AL voter should consider the outcome of all Trump Federal Judge nominations in the coming years in the US Senate.  This is so much more important than unproven allegations of attempted grab ass with some girls 40 years ago...... even if entirely true (which I seriously doubt).

Including the Supreme Court, those nominations (and hopeful confirmations in the Senate) are perhaps the single most important thing in our Country's future.

Politicians come and go, but Federal bench positions are for life. 

[Robert]

Moore Accuser Caught Lying When News Surfaces That He Threw Her Brother in Jail

The woman behind that accusation, Faye Gary, has also openly declared that Moore is a bigot and a racist… but it turns out that she was repeating her own “feelings” and opinions, not facts.

Even more shockingly, the mainstream media completely glossed over the fact that Moore was the prosecutor who sent Faye Gary’s criminal brother to prison 35 years ago.

[Bighead]

Moore also sat as judge over one of the accusers divorce case
But people will still believe what they wanna believe.

[Varmintmist]

I understand it was and is not illegal for a 32 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old girl. But in my opinion it goes to a persons moral character. If I lived in Alabama I'd want to know about it.

Well, all of the accusers, all of the cops, all of the mall cops, the mall have been in AL for the last 40 years that he has been winning elections and a public persona.

Pretty sure if it was real it might have leaked out by now.