Accusations - Are they enough? (political but also Life in general)

[Savago]

Meanwhile the age of consent in California is 18:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

Call me old fashioned, but 16 is just too young in my point of view.

[Oss]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

[The emperor has no clothes]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

[Hacked Valk]

Washington Post clearly stated it was an attempt against Roy Moore. It is even in the header.
If you look at Fox home page right now you will see this headline. For once they did not fall for it. Maybe Trump is having an effect on Fake News!

The header....."How WaPo exposed Roy Moore sex scandal sting attempt"

What more do you need again ??

Read the article.
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Exactly.  I don't know why anyone would take as truth a story from an obvious and admittedly biased Fox News.  Here is a link to what actually happened and a good example of responsible journalism.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c1d107efaa31[/url

[Gryphon Rider]

First off, let me say that I have no desire to take the time to read about the accusations, confessions, etc, concerning Moore and Franken; I don't have a dog in those fights.

There are several issues to comment on here.  Please note that when I say "victim" or "offender" I am implying "alleged" before these terms:

1. Many politicians are amoral narcissists, who are only concerned with either the legal or electoral consequences of their actions.  Many will use the defence, "I didn't break any laws," when faced with accusations of immoral or unethical behaviour.

2. From the ancient past until now, people without power who make accusations against powerful people soon find out that making a formal complaint is often more trouble than it's worth.  The ones with the best evidence or most relative power or least scuples get paid off to keep their mouths shut.  Others get their integrity dragged through the mud.  Others get silenced by threat or by force.

3. The balance of power in the last couple of years is shifting in favour of the victims of sexual impropriety by famous people.  News outlets know there is enough play for these stories to overcome the threats of "if you report on this you lose access to celebrities."  Victims, false or real, know that today they will more likely be believed unless proven otherwise. Victims of politicians facing election and entertainment figures with projects in the works know that now is the time when they (the victims) are most powerful.  Seeing the offending politician highlighted in the media because he is in the middle of a campaign will bring back the memories of the offence, resurrecting the feeling of injustice as the offender is living the high life in the spotlight.  While the timing of this does play into the hands of the political opponents of the offenders, this may not be the prime motivation of the victim publicizing the offence.

4. Whether or not the offence is of a criminal nature, or if so, provable to a standard likely to get a conviction, I, as a voter, want to be informed of the character and competance of the person soliciting my vote.  That a middle-aged or older candidate waited until the person he was propositioning, fondling, or forcing himself on was the legal age of consent only tells me that he was aware of the law when he was practising his immoral, unethical behaviour, and that he is more concerned about getting his jollies than about the harm he may do to the young person.  I do not want that person as a leader in my community.

5. News outlets absolutely should do their due diligence by checking the stories, backgrounds, and associations of the accusers, with the thoroughness their investigation being proportionate to the potential damage to the accused.  I hope they learn their lesson from the Rolling Stone/University of Virginia false gang rape story scandal.

[Oss]

again, if the kids told families and friends why wasnt Moore prosecuted?

BULLSHIT covers all of the things I put in my post whether he did it, whether he did not do it  there is enough to go around I am certain

But again,  Why wait till NOW ?

and again if he did it, as a person of faith, I must believe that the Lord will balance the scale when he is brought before the heavenly court.  If he did it, he knows and the Lord knows. 

JMPO  YMMV

[Gryphon Rider]

and again if he did it, as a person of faith, I must believe that the Lord will balance the scale when he is brought before the heavenly court.  If he did it, he knows and the Lord knows.  

"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." - Mark 9:42

[Jess from VA]

and again if he did it, as a person of faith, I must believe that the Lord will balance the scale when he is brought before the heavenly court.  If he did it, he knows and the Lord knows.  

"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." - Mark 9:42

I agree.  However, that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment under our 8th Amendment.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

meathead, I call bullshit


Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

Evan, I love you buddy. But that might be the most over the top statement I've ever seen from you.

As I understand how the story came to light. The Washington Post got wind of it from a friend of the then 14 year old. They talked to her. She said she wouldn't go public unless they could find other victims. They did. Contrary to what some have said here, none have been paid for their stories. Would you not entertain the possibility that the stories are true ? Like I said earlier, I really don't think this has anything to do with right or left. It has to do with moral or immoral. As to those who feel that it is imperative that a Republican gets elected regardless of the circumstances, that is truly sad that you would put that above all else.

[Willow]

Accusations are made by those politically opposed to influence potential voters.  That said, suggestions to step down or aside by one's party are based not upon guilt or innocence but on whether they believe the voting public has been sufficiently negatively influenced.

To answer the OP's question, no.  An unproven accusation should not be enough, but to the easily influenced it appears it usually is.  That's wrong but we can only do it right by refusing to place ourselves among the easily influenced.  Based upon the previous conversation many of us have placed ourselves well into the easily influenced crowd.  Republicans want the accused Democrats hanged.  Democrats are quick to call for the prosecution of accused Republicans.  It's that small uncommitted group in the middle that really matters.

My take on it is that true or false if the best the opposition can come up with are accusations that are more than twenty years old how can a thinking person consider them?  If it is, as implied, a character flaw do we really think that a person just suddenly got the behavior under control?

Personally I just don't believe that unproven accusations, criminal or otherwise, should result in the required step down of an office holder or the disqualification of a candidate.  It is, though, the decision of the voters and rumor and accusation has proven to be an effective strategy.    

[Robert]

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, the famous line Bill Clinton lying to the public and still stayed on as president even after impeachment on the Paula Jones accusations, so what is all this talk about? I guess the democrats don't want to bring this up now do they.

  If Clinton goes on and no one really remembers or brings this up why is this even an issue. Ken Starr investigated and there were many other charges including perjury, obstruction of justice just to name 2. He was not prosecuted for these either. What a bunch of bs this all is.


Speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” Cokie Roberts made a startling admission: “every female in the press corps knew” to avoid being in an elevator with Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), and has apparently known about this “for years.” Conyers has been accused of multiple instances of sexual harassment and has stepped down from the House Judiciary Committee.

We have already paid 50,000.00 in pubic money to defend silence these accusations against him.

[Jess from VA]

Remember poor Clarence Thomas? 

With the left, it's the boy who cried wolf way too many times.

And another thing.  Anyone who's been paying attention will note there is a healthy percentage of men who let the pudendum get them in trouble (small or large trouble).   I think it's about 30 percent of all males.  Not all of them are bad men or career felons. 

It has always been so.  It is old news.

I think our creator overdid the instinctual urge to keep the species going.   It's like a class action warranty issue (that will never be fixed). 

[MP]

How about the Duke Lacrosse team? Destroyed, by accusations that we're lies.

I want some proof, no matter who it is.

[scooperhsd]

and again if he did it, as a person of faith, I must believe that the Lord will balance the scale when he is brought before the heavenly court.  If he did it, he knows and the Lord knows.  

"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." - Mark 9:42

I agree.  However, that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment under our 8th Amendment.   

"Some people need killing - some need it worse than others"

[Willow]

and again if he did it, as a person of faith, I must believe that the Lord will balance the scale when he is brought before the heavenly court.  If he did it, he knows and the Lord knows.  

"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." - Mark 9:42 

I agree.  However, that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment under our 8th Amendment.   

"Some people need killing - some need it worse than others"

Who gets to decide who needs killing?  Keep in mind that in some parts of this world and on some streets in our own country there are folks that believe you and I need killing.  I can accept that either an all knowing God or the courts can decide who needs to die but I insist they use their own instruments rather than having one of us fallible humans do do one their behalf.

Incidentally, Gryphon Rider took that reference out of context and misapplied it.  He has shown a tendency to do so.   

[Gryphon Rider]

and again if he did it, as a person of faith, I must believe that the Lord will balance the scale when he is brought before the heavenly court.  If he did it, he knows and the Lord knows.  

"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea." - Mark 9:42  

I agree.  However, that would be considered cruel and unusual punishment under our 8th Amendment.  

"Some people need killing - some need it worse than others"

Who gets to decide who needs killing?  Keep in mind that in some parts of this world and on some streets in our own country there are folks that believe you and I need killing.  I can accept that either an all knowing God or the courts can decide who needs to die but I insist they use their own instruments rather than having one of us fallible humans do do one their behalf.

Incidentally, Gryphon Rider took that reference out of context and misapplied it.  He has shown a tendency to do so.  

Yeah, not precisely the context or application, but the underlying (though unstated) concept transfers quite well:

God judges with increasing harshness:
1. Those who don't find out what they should do, and thus don't do it.
2. Those who know what they should do, but don't do it.
3. Those who do what they know they shouldn't do.
4. Those who harm others they are responsible for as they do what they shouldn't.
See Luke 12:42-48

Here's my off-the-top-of-my-head, brief explanation of Mark 9:42:
Those who harm or hinder the immature faith of believers will suffer God's judgement, which will be far harsher than the temporary suffering of being captured, bound, and drowned.

[Robert]

Rom 14:12  Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God.

1Pe 4:5  But remember that they will have to face God, who stands ready to judge everyone, both the living and the dead.

If the accusers are false or lying by slandering the accused good names, they have committed murder according to the bible and have violated 2 of the Ten Commandments.

If the accusers are false and Jewish they have violated there covenant with God.

Gryphon thats pretty off the cuff for you isn't it?


Mat 12:35  A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. 
Mat 12:36  And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak. 
Mat 12:37  The words you say will either acquit you or condemn you.” 

[Oss]

ok she may be AN antichrist

Sent you a PM with the definition according to the apostles

IMHO whether a person denies Christ is but a small part of being an antichrist, as the conduct and actions is what matters.

If a person kills or causes death wantonly by her actions (Benghazi - her own secret service and past associations), lies blatently (destroys 20000 emails after subpoena) , uses people indiscriminately, swears falsely (she was fired from jobs in Washington before ascending the political ladder, Uranium, the clinton foundation, the Bernie Sanders DNC scandal)  that fits my definition four square

Again, I am no christian so to some I would be an antichrist

Jess, that was some interesting points you made  

[Robert]

ok she may be AN antichrist

Sent you a PM with the definition according to the apostles

IMHO whether a person denies Christ is but a small part of being an antichrist, as the conduct and actions is what matters.

If a person kills or causes death wantonly by her actions (Benghazi - her own secret service and past associations), lies blatently (destroys 20000 emails after subpoena) , uses people indiscriminately, swears falsely (she was fired from jobs in Washington before ascending the political ladder, Uranium, the clinton foundation, the Bernie Sanders DNC scandal)  that fits my definition four square

Again, I am no christian so to some I would be an antichrist

Jess, that was some interesting points you made   

Oss by no means are you an antichrist in fact you are my Jewish brother and I and all the other Christians are the grafted in branches of the same tree.

Oss a scripture for anyone that would say you are the antichrist

Mat 10:5  Jesus sent out the twelve apostles with these instructions: “Don’t go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans, 
Mat 10:6  but only to the people of Israel—God’s lost sheep. 

But for Hillary is

2Co 11:15  So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve. 

Mat 12:35  A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart.

Mat 7:23  But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

Mat 7:18  A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 
Mat 7:19  So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 
Mat 7:20  Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. 

[G-Man]

Tell me Savago, what if it was your son, accused of something he says he didn't do? 

If it was my 30-something son, I would be the first to deliver him to the cops. And would next hire a lawyer for him having the due process.

Really!  Over just an accusation?  Why is there something you KNOW about your son you're not telling us?

If it was MY son, and just an accusation, I would do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to keep him OUT of the system and would sure as $hit hire lawyers FIRST.   But that's just me.

[G-Man]

Moore has been accused of alleged;y giving a 14-year-old girl alcohol and allegedly touching her inappropriately in 1979, when he was 32 years old, The Washington Post reported last week according to unnamed sources. Three other women told the publication that Moore pursued them when they were between 16 and 18 years old. On Monday, another woman accused Moore of sexually assaulting her when she was 16. Moore has denied the allegations.

Two of these women say Moore allegedly attempted to pick them up when they were at the Gadsden Mall.

Greg Legat, who worked at the mall in the 1980s, told Bethea that he remembers Moore was allegedly banned from the shopping center starting around 1979. Legat recalled that the mall was often “filled” with unchaperoned teens.

A local police officer, J.D. Thomas, reportedly often asked Legat to keep an eye out for Moore. ”‘If you see Moore here, tell me. I’ll take care of him,’” Legat remembers Thomas telling him, according to The New Yorker.

Alabama journalist Glynn Wilson reported Sunday that he had heard similar allegations: “Unnamed Sources tell me Moore was actually banned from the Gadsden Mall and the YMCA for his inappropriate behavior of soliciting sex from young girls.”

Other unnamed people who frequented the mall during the 1980s told The New Yorker they believed Moore had been banned for “trying to pick up younger girls.”

Two unnamed police officers who worked in the area at the time also told Bethea that Moore was known for hanging around the mall to find dates.

“The general knowledge at the time when I moved here was that this guy is a lawyer cruising the mall for high-school dates,” one unnamed officer said. “I was told by an unnamed girl who worked at the mall that he’d been run off from there, from a number of stores. Maybe not legally banned, but run off.”

Are 2 unnamedPolice Officers to be believed ?    NO! No unnamed sources should ever be believed, unless you disagree with the accused politically, I guess.  Everyone has the right to face their accuser.

"The other poster"

Had to highlight and fix a couple things to make the "story" a bit more accurate by adding minor left out, but significant, details.

Not one shred of evidence or incriminating fact in the whole thing.  Not one.  But the liberals want him hanged. 

Doesn't sound so liberal to me.   

Backwards? 

[G-Man]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

Then why are the cops unnamed?  I mean, if there's no reason to lie?  Or, if they exist.

"Seven unnamed people stated that Meathead doesn't believe we should ruin people's lives over accusations."   See, it's still not true, even though 7 people said so.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

Then why are the cops unnamed?  I mean, if there's no reason to lie?  Or, if they exist.

"Seven unnamed people stated that Meathead doesn't believe we should ruin people's lives over accusations."   See, it's still not true, even though 7 people said so.   

For somebody who requested that I not correspond with, you sure seem to want to correspond.  One of the officers was named, if you had read the article. One of the mall security was named. The head of security was named in a different article. There are plenty of sources if one wants to open their eyes.

[Bighead]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

Many of them told family and friends? ......really? Why would ones family not report such actions? I think most Dads in this part of the country would have killed the perp if they had gotten wind of such actions. In the least he would have had his nuts nailed to a stump and it set on fire then handed a sharp knife and told him to make a choice.
The women you have seen talk seem credible.......really? Prepped by the news to act and say only what they want to report
Like I said not gonna get in a pissing match but as for the yearbook Roy Moore ask for it to be turned over to a forensic handwriting expert for analysis and it hasn't has it? Why not?
Show me proof ( no I am not from Missouri  ) and I will believe it until the he said she said nothing more.

[f6gal]

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, the famous line Bill Clinton lying to the public and still stayed on as president even after impeachment on the Paula Jones accusations, so what is all this talk about? I guess the democrats don't want to bring this up now do they.

  If Clinton goes on and no one really remembers or brings this up why is this even an issue. Ken Starr investigated and there were many other charges including perjury, obstruction of justice just to name 2. He was not prosecuted for these either. What a bunch of bs this all is.


Speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” Cokie Roberts made a startling admission: “every female in the press corps knew” to avoid being in an elevator with Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), and has apparently known about this “for years.” Conyers has been accused of multiple instances of sexual harassment and has stepped down from the House Judiciary Committee.

We have already paid 50,000.00 in pubic money to defend silence these accusations against him.

Why do so many ppl say that Clinton was impeached because of his Paula Jones affair?  He was impeached for perjury... A crime no one seems to care about any more.

[The emperor has no clothes]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

Many of them told family and friends? ......really? Why would ones family not report such actions? I think most Dads in this part of the country would have killed the perp if they had gotten wind of such actions. In the least he would have had his nuts nailed to a stump and it set on fire then handed a sharp knife and told him to make a choice.
The women you have seen talk seem credible.......really? Prepped by the news to act and say only what they want to report
Like I said not gonna get in a pissing match but as for the yearbook Roy Moore ask for it to be turned over to a forensic handwriting expert for analysis and it hasn't has it? Why not?
Show me proof ( no I am not from Missouri  ) and I will believe it until the he said she said nothing more.

I don't know. My expertise is chopping up dead animals, not sexual abuse victims. So, I looked it up. If you care to learn more about it, here goes.
https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf

[The emperor has no clothes]

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, the famous line Bill Clinton lying to the public and still stayed on as president even after impeachment on the Paula Jones accusations, so what is all this talk about? I guess the democrats don't want to bring this up now do they.

  If Clinton goes on and no one really remembers or brings this up why is this even an issue. Ken Starr investigated and there were many other charges including perjury, obstruction of justice just to name 2. He was not prosecuted for these either. What a bunch of bs this all is.


Speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” Cokie Roberts made a startling admission: “every female in the press corps knew” to avoid being in an elevator with Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), and has apparently known about this “for years.” Conyers has been accused of multiple instances of sexual harassment and has stepped down from the House Judiciary Committee.

We have already paid 50,000.00 in pubic money to defend silence these accusations against him.

Why do so many ppl say that Clinton was impeached because of his Paula Jones affair?  He was impeached for perjury... A crime no one seems to care about any more.

I think even more people think he was impeached because of his indiscretions with Monica Lewinski. You are right, nobody seems to care about lying anymore. Whether it be under oath or not. Pretty sad.

[Bighead]

Rob I read the article you posted the link to and it said nothing about friends and family told of these things didn't report them so back to where you said that they told many friends and family...it don't make much sense does it?

[f6gal]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

Many of them told family and friends? ......really? Why would ones family not report such actions? I think most Dads in this part of the country would have killed the perp if they had gotten wind of such actions. In the least he would have had his nuts nailed to a stump and it set on fire then handed a sharp knife and told him to make a choice.
The women you have seen talk seem credible.......really? Prepped by the news to act and say only what they want to report
Like I said not gonna get in a pissing match but as for the yearbook Roy Moore ask for it to be turned over to a forensic handwriting expert for analysis and it hasn't has it? Why not?
Show me proof ( no I am not from Missouri  ) and I will believe it until the he said she said nothing more.

I don't know. My expertise is chopping up dead animals, not sexual abuse victims. So, I looked it up. If you care to learn more about it, here goes.
https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf

The girls that don't report, typically don't tell anyone.  I think Bighead was saying if family and friends were told, why didn't they report it?  Especially if they were indeed minors.

[Bighead]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

Many of them told family and friends? ......really? Why would ones family not report such actions? I think most Dads in this part of the country would have killed the perp if they had gotten wind of such actions. In the least he would have had his nuts nailed to a stump and it set on fire then handed a sharp knife and told him to make a choice.
The women you have seen talk seem credible.......really? Prepped by the news to act and say only what they want to report
Like I said not gonna get in a pissing match but as for the yearbook Roy Moore ask for it to be turned over to a forensic handwriting expert for analysis and it hasn't has it? Why not?
Show me proof ( no I am not from Missouri  ) and I will believe it until the he said she said nothing more.

I don't know. My expertise is chopping up dead animals, not sexual abuse victims. So, I looked it up. If you care to learn more about it, here goes.
https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf

The girls that don't report, typically don't tell anyone.  I think Bighead was saying if family and friends were told, why didn't they report it?  Especially if they were indeed minors.

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Ding ding ding we have a winner!

[The emperor has no clothes]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

Many of them told family and friends? ......really? Why would ones family not report such actions? I think most Dads in this part of the country would have killed the perp if they had gotten wind of such actions. In the least he would have had his nuts nailed to a stump and it set on fire then handed a sharp knife and told him to make a choice.
The women you have seen talk seem credible.......really? Prepped by the news to act and say only what they want to report
Like I said not gonna get in a pissing match but as for the yearbook Roy Moore ask for it to be turned over to a forensic handwriting expert for analysis and it hasn't has it? Why not?
Show me proof ( no I am not from Missouri  ) and I will believe it until the he said she said nothing more.

I don't know. My expertise is chopping up dead animals, not sexual abuse victims. So, I looked it up. If you care to learn more about it, here goes.
https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf

The girls that don't report, typically don't tell anyone.  I think Bighead was saying if family and friends were told, why didn't they report it?  Especially if they were indeed minors.

I don't know. Maybe reporters will find out.

[f6gal]

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, the famous line Bill Clinton lying to the public and still stayed on as president even after impeachment on the Paula Jones accusations, so what is all this talk about? I guess the democrats don't want to bring this up now do they.

  If Clinton goes on and no one really remembers or brings this up why is this even an issue. Ken Starr investigated and there were many other charges including perjury, obstruction of justice just to name 2. He was not prosecuted for these either. What a bunch of bs this all is.


Speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” Cokie Roberts made a startling admission: “every female in the press corps knew” to avoid being in an elevator with Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), and has apparently known about this “for years.” Conyers has been accused of multiple instances of sexual harassment and has stepped down from the House Judiciary Committee.

We have already paid 50,000.00 in pubic money to defend silence these accusations against him.

Why do so many ppl say that Clinton was impeached because of his Paula Jones affair?  He was impeached for perjury... A crime no one seems to care about any more.

I think even more people think he was impeached because of his indiscretions with Monica Lewinski. You are right, nobody seems to care about lying anymore. Whether it be under oath or not. Pretty sad.

You're right of course... Lewinski was the affair.  No one would even talk about Jones.

[Bighead]

meathead, I call bullshit

Is this a repressed memory that surfaces after hypnosis?  Of course not Who put the women up to it

Just how is it that these "memories" surface only now?  No such thing as coincidence

A 14 year old knows what is inappropriate touching and knows to tell daddy or the police  or her friends who would tell for her (or him)

13-14 yr olds routinely committing crimes here in ny (drugs) on behalf of older people because they know no death penalty for kids   Kids in JHS are pretty cunning and make false accusations when they dont even get an A on a test.  I blame parents first for no discipline but society also has let us all down. We have let us down as well.  

So look, if it happened it cant be proven today in a court of law even without statute of limitation problems

Again, who stands to gain by lowlife methods, which party is likely behind it (hint, they screwed Sanders and their prior President was a sexual monster married to a woman who may be the antichrist)

If Moore did it, then I hope when he dies the Lord has a special eternal punishment

Both sides make me sick and I am glad I dont live in Alabama (this year- I kinda liked passing thru the state) and have to vote in this election

It wasn't repressed. Many of them told family and friends at the time. Call it bullshit if you want. Let's remember there have been many instances of children having things done to them and not report it to the authorities. And it turns out it was correct. Remember back to Catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. Are these allegations true ? I don't know. But the women that I've seen talk about it seemed credible. The 2 cops have no reason to lie about his being banned from the mall.

Many of them told family and friends? ......really? Why would ones family not report such actions? I think most Dads in this part of the country would have killed the perp if they had gotten wind of such actions. In the least he would have had his nuts nailed to a stump and it set on fire then handed a sharp knife and told him to make a choice.
The women you have seen talk seem credible.......really? Prepped by the news to act and say only what they want to report
Like I said not gonna get in a pissing match but as for the yearbook Roy Moore ask for it to be turned over to a forensic handwriting expert for analysis and it hasn't has it? Why not?
Show me proof ( no I am not from Missouri  ) and I will believe it until the he said she said nothing more.

I don't know. My expertise is chopping up dead animals, not sexual abuse victims. So, I looked it up. If you care to learn more about it, here goes.
https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf

The girls that don't report, typically don't tell anyone.  I think Bighead was saying if family and friends were told, why didn't they report it?  Especially if they were indeed minors.

I don't know. Maybe reporters will find out.

Why if they are minors their identity would not be revealed to the public.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I tried finding info about the friends and family with little luck. I did find this though. In it 2 of the girls said their mothers were ok with them "dating" Moore. A 32 year old man. Probably because he was an assistant District Attorney and they saw it as a way out for their working class daughters. Seems pretty slimy of them to me. But maybe it explains some of the reasons for no reporting.
http://time.com/5029172/roy-moore-accusers/

[hubcapsc]

Matt Lauer is fired now. Mr. Rogers is next...

-Mike

[3fan4life]

I tried finding info about the friends and family with little luck. I did find this though. In it 2 of the girls said their mothers were ok with them "dating" Moore. A 32 year old man. Probably because he was an assistant District Attorney and they saw it as a way out for their working class daughters. Seems pretty slimy of them to me. But maybe it explains some of the reasons for no reporting.
http://time.com/5029172/roy-moore-accusers/

When you sink Your teeth into something you're worse than a snapping turtle.

The thing is that you're judging him as an old man and by today's standard.

Whatever happened, Happened in 1979 (38 yrs ago).

While maybe not as heinous as what he is accused of, I doubt that most of us would care to be judged NOW for things that we may have done 40 yrs ago. 

[cookiedough]

Vaquero: you are clearly trying to stir the pot.

First with crazy conspiracy theories and now defending pervs approaching 14 years old girls.

For God's sake, put the political view aside and ask yourself: " _ What if it was my daughter? Or my sister?"

I tell you one thing: I don't give a damn who's party is, if a pedo approaches my teenage daughter I will make sure that he won't be able to do that again to any minor in his miserable life.

I agree, but then we will go to jail for doing the right thing.  Unfortunately the law does not see it that way and that is what is wrong with this F'ed up system. 

For instance,  I know a guy who in high school 30+ years ago was a child or should I say female molester/abuser way back when.  He got jail time out of it but decades later some 7-8 years ago same guy in high school got hired me working with him same place.  He seemed on the up and up but always thought once a molester/female abuser, always one.  I was right.   Just a few months ago he got caught on a sting operation where he sent nude pics of himself and exchange messages back and forth to an undercover female police officer posing as a under age 18 female.  Needless to say he ran from the police with his car over 100 mph and got caught in jail for the next 15 years of his life.  Guessing with early parole he will be out in 10 years in a federal prison now and then he will be over age 60 and no one will hire him when he gets out. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I tried finding info about the friends and family with little luck. I did find this though. In it 2 of the girls said their mothers were ok with them "dating" Moore. A 32 year old man. Probably because he was an assistant District Attorney and they saw it as a way out for their working class daughters. Seems pretty slimy of them to me. But maybe it explains some of the reasons for no reporting.
http://time.com/5029172/roy-moore-accusers/

When you sink Your teeth into something you're worse than a snapping turtle.

The thing is that you're judging him as an old man and by today's standard.

Whatever happened, Happened in 1979 (38 yrs ago).

While maybe not as heinous as what he is accused of, I doubt that most of us would care to be judged NOW for things that we may have done 40 yrs ago. 

As I said earlier, I don’t know if the accusations are true or not. But the women’s stories and mall employees stories seemed credible to me though. The voters of Alabama will make their decision soon. I do find it interesting how many have decided that they don’t care what he did, they will vote for a Republican regardless.

[¿spoom]

Going to the OP's question, let the people vote, and if anyone who wins an election gets prosecuted and jailed later-they won't be in office. Hard for me to say Moore shouldn't be running when we had Congress paying off sitting members in secret and all that gets said is, "they weren't convicted of anything". Neither was Moore. In the meantime, both parties want to get the empty seat in AL and one of them will. That's the big picture for me, that was the big picture for Hillary and others, too. Let the people decide, and the legal system stack 'em like cordwood afterwards if/when needed.

[3fan4life]

I tried finding info about the friends and family with little luck. I did find this though. In it 2 of the girls said their mothers were ok with them "dating" Moore. A 32 year old man. Probably because he was an assistant District Attorney and they saw it as a way out for their working class daughters. Seems pretty slimy of them to me. But maybe it explains some of the reasons for no reporting.
http://time.com/5029172/roy-moore-accusers/

When you sink Your teeth into something you're worse than a snapping turtle.

The thing is that you're judging him as an old man and by today's standard.

Whatever happened, Happened in 1979 (38 yrs ago).

While maybe not as heinous as what he is accused of, I doubt that most of us would care to be judged NOW for things that we may have done 40 yrs ago. 

As I said earlier, I don’t know if the accusations are true or not. But the women’s stories and mall employees stories seemed credible to me though. The voters of Alabama will make their decision soon. I do find it interesting how many have decided that they don’t care what he did, they will vote for a Republican regardless.

The same logic employed by many Democrats who voted for Hillary.