Matt Lauer - fired!

[f6john]

Are there any nice guys left in positions of power and authority? I’m sure there are but how can you tell? Who will be the next to fall? Interesting and puzzling time we live in today.

Just heard that they were paying this guy $20 million a year! Can you say dumbass?

[cookiedough]

am sure most of these instances are true of treating women badly harassing them, but am sure there are also others out there accusing them just to get some money as well.  If true,  then they deserve what they get, but in some cases either could be totally false or misinterpreted. 

Long, long time ago I got accused at work of sexual harassment me in my 20s and her in her 30s she just came into our office few months prior and was totally false.  She was recently thru a divorce and basically a man hater and after the meeting with the ex-marine old school branch manager, I slammed his big heavy door so hard when leaving his office I thought the frame would break I was so pissed off.  I think he knew it was not true so he just said as long as I keep my record clean, when the office closes in less than 1 year (we knew it was coming)  that he will get rid of that in my personnel file. 

[¿spoom]

Any guesses how long before Jimmy Fallon gets named? Maybe start a pool? I'll put a dollar in for Dec 1st.

[¿spoom]

Are there any nice guys left in positions of power and authority? I’m sure there are but how can you tell? Who will be the next to fall? Interesting and puzzling time we live in today.

Just heard that they were paying this guy $20 million a year! Can you say dumbass?

Maybe they'll do like NBC did with Brian Williams-fire him and then re-hire him for MSNBC 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Any guesses how long before Jimmy Fallon gets named? Maybe start a pool? I'll put a dollar in for Dec 1st.

Willie Giest 

[RDAbull]

I have a former student who worked in the Rock for NBC.  He said Lauer and Brokaw were both A-holes.

[Serk]

I will admit to a certain smug satisfaction in seeing classic Alinsky tactics used against them instead of by them...

(Specifically Alinsky's Rules for Radicals rule #4 - "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.")

[Alberta Patriot]

Considering all the bad behavior...The big Media Corps already know who is or isn't 'guilty' and my guess is that this might be a quick and litigation free way to dump a significant number of multi million dollar contracts on high profile "Media Stars". A lot of people are "cutting the cable" the last few years so revenue must be down all around. Charley Rose is probably another "Star" whose cost to benefit ratio was no longer adding up favorably for the corporate bean counters to keep forking out the big bucks.
The up and coming young media types are seeing first hand that behavior now has consequences...welcome to the reality the rest of us live with when we step off the curb carelessly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXPkH7uoz1g

[Bighead]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

[Gryphon Rider]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

[Jersey mike]

Not a fan of Lauer or the Today Show but one of the things he is being ripped about is a video that was a live production of the Today Show which included many of the behind the scenes staff and a few different skits.

Below is the the link for the video, fast forward to 5 minutes or watch the entire thing, about 15 min.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SErMyCRFeA

[Bighead]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

GR my only point there was that why didn't any of these women come forward before? 1 speaks then all of a sudden there are 100's claiming the same thing, why if it has been happening to them have they not spoken up?
Don't get me wrong if there was sexual abuse prosecute the perps to the max allowed.
I just can't understand the overwhelming flood of this all at once.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

GR my only point there was that why didn't any of these women come forward before? 1 speaks then all of a sudden there are 100's claiming the same thing, why if it has been happening to them have they not spoken up?
Don't get me wrong if there was sexual abuse prosecute the perps to the max allowed.
I just can't understand the overwhelming flood of this all at once.

It has been quick. But I think it's because they finally feel people will support them. Think of it like this. If you and your fellow workers had been subjected to prejudice your entire career and you had seen your fellow workers fired or demoted every time they spoke up. You would wisely probably choose to stay quiet. If after 30 years of this things changed and you saw some of your fellow workers complaints taken seriously and justice done. You might feel emboldened to get all the previous injustices done to you off your chest. Yes, there is a good chance maybe 100% chance that someone is going to come along with a bullshit allegation. But for all these women that have been treated badly some terribly I am glad things are changing for them. My wife and I met in the workplace. I was her boss. We flirted. But I never would have dreamed of using my position to coerce her. Even in the lowly positions of grocery stores women are taken advantage of. Just doesn't make the news.

[hubcapsc]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

GR my only point there was that why didn't any of these women come forward before? 1 speaks then all of a sudden there are 100's claiming the same thing, why if it has been happening to them have they not spoken up?
Don't get me wrong if there was sexual abuse prosecute the perps to the max allowed.
I just can't understand the overwhelming flood of this all at once.

It has been quick. But I think it's because they finally feel people will support them. Think of it like this. If you and your fellow workers had been subjected to prejudice your entire career and you had seen your fellow workers fired or demoted every time they spoke up. You would wisely probably choose to stay quiet. If after 30 years of this things changed and you saw some of your fellow workers complaints taken seriously and justice done. You might feel emboldened to get all the previous injustices done to you off your chest. Yes, there is a good chance maybe 100% chance that someone is going to come along with a bullshit allegation. But for all these women that have been treated badly some terribly I am glad things are changing for them. My wife and I met in the workplace. I was her boss. We flirted. But I never would have dreamed of using my position to coerce her. Even in the lowly positions of grocery stores women are taken advantage of. Just doesn't make the news.

“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized..."

I expect he was getting away with being a jerk, but  at least one of the
accusations is that he was flashing his wanger at people... I have a hard time
imagining him being that dysfunctional, but who knows...

-Mike "hey baby..."

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

GR my only point there was that why didn't any of these women come forward before? 1 speaks then all of a sudden there are 100's claiming the same thing, why if it has been happening to them have they not spoken up?
Don't get me wrong if there was sexual abuse prosecute the perps to the max allowed.
I just can't understand the overwhelming flood of this all at once.

It has been quick. But I think it's because they finally feel people will support them. Think of it like this. If you and your fellow workers had been subjected to prejudice your entire career and you had seen your fellow workers fired or demoted every time they spoke up. You would wisely probably choose to stay quiet. If after 30 years of this things changed and you saw some of your fellow workers complaints taken seriously and justice done. You might feel emboldened to get all the previous injustices done to you off your chest. Yes, there is a good chance maybe 100% chance that someone is going to come along with a bullshit allegation. But for all these women that have been treated badly some terribly I am glad things are changing for them. My wife and I met in the workplace. I was her boss. We flirted. But I never would have dreamed of using my position to coerce her. Even in the lowly positions of grocery stores women are taken advantage of. Just doesn't make the news.

“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized..."

I expect he was getting away with being a jerk, but  at least one of the
accusations is that he was flashing his wanger at people... I have a hard time
imagining him being that dysfunctional, but who knows...

-Mike "hey baby..."

You'd be surprised at the amount of dysfunctionality out there. Years ago we had a supervisor who would get the meat wrapper in the cooler and whip out his wanger. I'm not sure what the thought process was. Maybe he thought they'd be so mesmerized they'd just drop to their knees and go to town. He got away with this for years.

[Robert]

Nice to see some of the slime being revealed needs so much more to come out though. Hopefully it all will be revealed.

Whats also a confirmation to the fact that Unholywood is totally a den of perversion like all already knew. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig

[¿spoom]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

GR my only point there was that why didn't any of these women come forward before? 1 speaks then all of a sudden there are 100's claiming the same thing, why if it has been happening to them have they not spoken up?
Don't get me wrong if there was sexual abuse prosecute the perps to the max allowed.
I just can't understand the overwhelming flood of this all at once.

Maybe it's like all the people afraid to say they saw a UFO, until others came out and said they saw it, too.

[scooperhsd]

I can think of one GOOD thing that can come out of this - maybe there will be alot of scared Congress critters out there now.... Find them and force them to resign.

[Gryphon Rider]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

GR my only point there was that why didn't any of these women come forward before? 1 speaks then all of a sudden there are 100's claiming the same thing, why if it has been happening to them have they not spoken up?
Don't get me wrong if there was sexual abuse prosecute the perps to the max allowed.
I just can't understand the overwhelming flood of this all at once.

See bold above.  The thing that has changed is that up until recently complainants, to a large degree, have either been ignored, transferred from the presence of their perpetrator, or punished for rocking the boat.  In the last couple of years, and more so in the last few months, complaints are being taken seriously and perpetrators are being prosecuted, reprimanded or otherwise non-criminally punished, or ostracized.  Women are also seeing a trend that allows a pussy-grabbing, misogynistic, openly narcissistic demagogue to become President, and they're finally willing to do something about it when similar men have victimized them, personally.

[Willow]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

[GiG]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there I are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

GR my only point there was that why didn't any of these women come forward before? 1 speaks then all of a sudden there are 100's claiming the same thing, why if it has been happening to them have they not spoken up?
Don't get me wrong if there was sexual abuse prosecute the perps to the max allowed.
I just can't understand the overwhelming flood of this all at once.

See, ... complaints are being taken seriously and perpetrators are being prosecuted, reprimanded or otherwise non-criminally punished, or ostracized.  Women are also seeing a trend that allows a pussy-grabbing, misogynistic, openly narcissistic demagogue to become President, and they're finally willing to do something about it when similar men have victimized them, personally.

No need to drag obama into this 

[Rams]

* Not to be confused with allowing or excusing Sexual Predators.   They have no place in a decent society.   No, means no where ever you are.   I guess one could debate what's decent.  

Seeing what's going on now, I have to question how anyone of us ever got away with flirting.   Realizing this is mostly dealing with powerful men being accused of many things sexual in nature makes me wonder.

I see on a daily basis "ladies" being sweeter to the boss and those that can get them ahead.   I see hugs being given out and men being called all kinds of endearing names.   I know of a couple of situations where something special was done or purchased just because the man thought he was getting signals from the lady to proceed.   Once the lady's got what they wanted, all of a sudden things went south.   Again, No means No.    But, this road goes both ways.    Don't start crap and there won't be any crap.   Rarely do I see things like this where blame couldn't point both directions.  

I'm not suggesting Matt Laurel is a saint nor am I saying he's the devil.   Just that there are two sides to every story.    He's admitted to being embarrassed by some of his deeds but my question is, were those deeds completely unsolicited or not.    I don't know but, it sure is fun piling on.

[baldo]

Yeah I think Matt pinched someone's grandmothers tits back in '32........ So tired of this jumping on the bandwagon crap it makes me want to puke.

Women are finally being listened to, and there are now consequences for bad behaviour by men in power.  I think that's a good thing.  Go puke your guts out, if it makes you feel better.

Matt Lauer wrote in a message issued by his public relations team:
“Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/business/media/matt-lauer-nbc-statement.html

** EDIT TO ADD: **
I hope that of the men who are guilty of this kind of immoral/unethical/criminal behaviour, a large percentage of them are developing ulcers from the dread of their actions coming to light.

GR my only point there was that why didn't any of these women come forward before? 1 speaks then all of a sudden there are 100's claiming the same thing, why if it has been happening to them have they not spoken up?
Don't get me wrong if there was sexual abuse prosecute the perps to the max allowed.
I just can't understand the overwhelming flood of this all at once.

See bold above.  The thing that has changed is that up until recently complainants, to a large degree, have either been ignored, transferred from the presence of their perpetrator, or punished for rocking the boat.  In the last couple of years, and more so in the last few months, complaints are being taken seriously and perpetrators are being prosecuted, reprimanded or otherwise non-criminally punished, or ostracized.  Women are also seeing a trend that allows a pussy-grabbing, misogynistic, openly narcissistic demagogue to become President, and they're finally willing to do something about it when similar men have victimized them, personally.

Well said, GR....

[Rams]

There is one lesson re-enforced for me in this Lauer, Conyers, Moore situation.

Short story:

At one point in my life when I was in a position to hire folks, I and a team of interviewers were in search of a new person to fill a vacancy in the organization.   This new person would work directly under my supervision.    We had three top interviewees.    

The team interviewed the first two applicants and had one last one to go before going to lunch.

The last interviewee was a very attractive, apparently well qualified (very personable) young lady with a very good resume and was one of the (now) two leading candidates.   After the interview, we broke for lunch.   As we were leaving the room, I was carrying some paper that needed to be placed into the trash can, the trash can was placed beside the door we were going through.   As we walked out the door I took aim and tossed the paper into the trash can.   About that time, the interviewee turned around and said something to me.   I responded appropriately.  I don't even remember what the question was but, regardless that's what happened.  

The next day, I gathered the team together to finalize who we thought would be best for the job.  
Was advised by one of the fellow interviewers that the last interviewee had called her and told her that while we were walking out of that door way, she turned and caught me looking at her ass.    

I let the team decide on who got the job.   Didn't vote for either final interviewees.   (Which was hard to do because this person was going to end up as my right hand man (so to speak).   As it turns out, I was pretty happy with the results.   We got a very professional person who later took over my own position when I left that place of employment.  

[Rams]

Women are also seeing a trend that allows a pussy-grabbing, misogynistic, openly narcissistic demagogue to become President, and they're finally willing to do something about it when similar men have victimized them, personally.

Just guessing here but, I have to assume (if allowed), you'd have voted for someone else?    Or, would you have been one of those who don't vote.   

[Serk]

And all of a sudden Vice President Pence's policy of never being alone with any woman but his wife doesn't seem so whacky.

[Oss]

to an extent dont we all see what we want to see?

While deeply suspicious of bullshit, I am not making up my mind until the evidence is in and likewise will not jump on either bandwagon

It does appear to me more likely than not that Lauer was at least an ass, bully and calculating person to maintain his position at top of the heap for so long.

I am wondering if I should start turning on the voice recorder on my phone app when I am auditioning secretary candidates

(ya know to avoid any future claims or maybe just video them with my desk cam)

Also I wonder when MEN will step up and say Pelosi, Clinton, any of the wackjobs on the view etc has sexually harassed them

In fact,  that would be something that I truly would love to see as gender equality means what is fair is fair.  

[Rams]

Also I wonder when MEN will step up and say Pelosi, Clinton, any of the wackjobs on the view etc has sexually harassed them

There are none left, most committed suicide.   Can't blame them.   At least that's what the official report says.   

[Gryphon Rider]

Women are also seeing a trend that allows a pussy-grabbing, misogynistic, openly narcissistic demagogue to become President, and they're finally willing to do something about it when similar men have victimized them, personally.

Just guessing here but, I have to assume (if allowed), you'd have voted for someone else?    Or, would you have been one of those who don't vote.   

There was an independent running for president. I don't remember his name but that's where my vote would have gone, were I an elector in that election.

[Gryphon Rider]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

If you're referring to my descriptions of presidential character, I'm not describing anything that isn't out there and obvious. My wish is that America has someone of unsullied character and demonstrated competence from each party to vote for next time.

[scooperhsd]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

If you're referring to my descriptions of presidential character, I'm not describing anything that isn't out there and obvious. My wish is that America has someone of unsullied character and demonstrated competence from each party to vote for next time.

That is my wish for all elections - we certainly didn't get that for the last Presidential Election, did we ? I'm not sure either of them were their party's best candidate - just the ones that had the fix in or appealed to the most vocal members of the party's electorate.

[The emperor has no clothes]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

If you're referring to my descriptions of presidential character, I'm not describing anything that isn't out there and obvious. My wish is that America has someone of unsullied character and demonstrated competence from each party to vote for next time.

That is my wish for all elections - we certainly didn't get that for the last Presidential Election, did we ? I'm not sure either of them were their party's best candidate - just the ones that had the fix in or appealed to the most vocal members of the party's electorate.

If there is one thing I’m sure of, it’s that neither party nominated their best candidate.

[Chrisj CMA]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

If you're referring to my descriptions of presidential character, I'm not describing anything that isn't out there and obvious. My wish is that America has someone of unsullied character and demonstrated competence from each party to vote for next time.

I'm pretty much believing the recent statement that the locker room style conversation made so much of publicly by the Democrats during the election was faked.  Trump isn't anywhere near perfect and he says some dumb things, but he's no where near as "dirty" as the slime that has been living in DC for the last many years.   His opponents want to create the illusion that he's all those things you said, when in reality the truth is way less sensational and way less damning

[Willow]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

If you're referring to my descriptions of presidential character, I'm not describing anything that isn't out there and obvious. My wish is that America has someone of unsullied character and demonstrated competence from each party to vote for next time.

Usually you don't display what I consider low character.  I have held you in high esteem.  Out there and obvious only applies to those who eat without consideration what is being served by a media that shows itself repeatedly hostile to the President of the United States.  The comment that referred to grasping genitals was twenty years old.  What a person says and what he does are not always the same.  I know I would not do today some things I would have talked about or even done twenty years ago.

Misogynistic?  One of the highest executives in his organizations is his female offspring.  Misogynists are those who hate women.  There are other women that hold respectable positions in Donald Trump's organizations. 

Narcissistic?  Given.  I would prefer less so but it bis not at all uncommon among those elected to the highest position in the land.

It was unworthy of what I have come to expect of you. 

[Serk]

[Jess from VA]

No kidding.

Here's the thing.  Most people know what they can say and do, and what they cannot say and do in the workplace (or anywhere really).  In humor or fun or for devilment, you can push the limits a bit (or maybe even quite a bit), but you have to know (and trust) your audience.  Your livelihood depends on it, and only a damn fool risks that for fun and devilment.

I spent years working as a federal attorney in a workplace with a no tolerance policy on harassment or sex/gender abuse.  Not only were we trained in the law and policy, we were the authorities on it.

I worked with a gal who was as liberal as I was conservative, and a very smart cookie.  She had clerked for Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and being chosen to clerk for a Supreme Court Justice is about as competitive and exclusive a club as you could find.  We did not work together, but we spent many years working in the same building and we knew each other on a professional and friendly basis, but not as friends.  The only thing we had in common was that we were the first two at work every morning at about 0500 (of about 500 people).  She was tall and built like the proverbial brick outhouse, and always came to work carrying a big gallon water jug (full of water).

So one dark morning she walks by me hitting the keypad into my office, and smiled and said good morning, and I returned the salutation, as always.  Then she stopped and looked pouty, and holding this big water jug between her very ample cleavage, she asked .... do you like my jug? (singular).  I took a deep breath and smiled wide, but did not answer (carefully considering what I would say).  She raised her eyebrows in question, so I replied.... I love your jug (singular).  She giggled, turned, and went down the hall to her office.

As innocent as that sounds, that was about as risky an exchange as you ever needed to have in the Federal workplace with a female who you were not close friends with, and between total political polar opposites.  

Guys that go around telling terrible sex jokes, using bad language, pinching or grabbing ass, dropping their pants, etc in today's workplace are freaking idiots.  (and certainly not gentlemen)

[..]

NBC has destroyed the perverted aggressors office including the button to lock door.

Destroying evidence in case of law suits? That also seems criminal.

[f6john]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

If you're referring to my descriptions of presidential character, I'm not describing anything that isn't out there and obvious. My wish is that America has someone of unsullied character and demonstrated competence from each party to vote for next time.

Usually you don't display what I consider low character.  I have held you in high esteem.  Out there and obvious only applies to those who eat without consideration what is being served by a media that shows itself repeatedly hostile to the President of the United States.  The comment that referred to grasping genitals was twenty years old.  What a person says and what he does are not always the same.  I know I would not do today some things I would have talked about or even done twenty years ago.

Misogynistic?  One of the highest executives in his organizations is his female offspring.  Misogynists are those who hate women.  There are other women that hold respectable positions in Donald Trump's organizations. 

Narcissistic?  Given.  I would prefer less so but it bis not at all uncommon among those elected to the highest position in the land.

It was unworthy of what I have come to expect of you. 

Exactly, Willow

[Gryphon Rider]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

If you're referring to my descriptions of presidential character, I'm not describing anything that isn't out there and obvious. My wish is that America has someone of unsullied character and demonstrated competence from each party to vote for next time.

Usually you don't display what I consider low character.  I have held you in high esteem.  Out there and obvious only applies to those who eat without consideration what is being served by a media that shows itself repeatedly hostile to the President of the United States.  The comment that referred to grasping genitals was twenty years old.  What a person says and what he does are not always the same.  I know I would not do today some things I would have talked about or even done twenty years ago.

Misogynistic?  One of the highest executives in his organizations is his female offspring.  Misogynists are those who hate women.  There are other women that hold respectable positions in Donald Trump's organizations.  

Narcissistic?  Given.  I would prefer less so but it bis not at all uncommon among those elected to the highest position in the land.

It was unworthy of what I have come to expect of you.  

I suppose it comes down to one's definition of hatred.  One who sees the value of women largely determined by their sexual desirability, and who, when in a disagreement with a woman, attacks her sexuality or appearance or uses derogatory terms based on her gender (e.g. "bimbo"), in other words sees women as not being worthy of dignity, hates women.  Does the fact that Hitler considered some Jews to be "noble Jews" and worthy of protection prove that he didn't hate Jews?  Now I'm not saying that Trump is even remotely comparable to Hitler in terms of evil committed or degree of hatred, but just that exceptions don't disprove the generalization.

I know I would not do today some things I would have talked about or even done twenty years ago.

It is certainly possible for people to change, but while you can say that Trump said specific thing X, Y years ago, he continues to say Z, Q, and T today, demonstrating not that his attitude has changed, but rather that he is able to modify his external expression of it to a minor degree.  I trust that your change has been to the inner man, leading to a change in how you express things outwardly.

One of the highest executives in his organizations is his female offspring.

But he's fine with his buddy calling her "a piece of ass."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikTv0I8XVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpOZVN4_Ihc

[Gavin_Sons]

That was unworthy of you, Gryphon Rider.

If you're referring to my descriptions of presidential character, I'm not describing anything that isn't out there and obvious. My wish is that America has someone of unsullied character and demonstrated competence from each party to vote for next time.

Usually you don't display what I consider low character.  I have held you in high esteem.  Out there and obvious only applies to those who eat without consideration what is being served by a media that shows itself repeatedly hostile to the President of the United States.  The comment that referred to grasping genitals was twenty years old.  What a person says and what he does are not always the same.  I know I would not do today some things I would have talked about or even done twenty years ago.

Misogynistic?  One of the highest executives in his organizations is his female offspring.  Misogynists are those who hate women.  There are other women that hold respectable positions in Donald Trump's organizations.  

Narcissistic?  Given.  I would prefer less so but it bis not at all uncommon among those elected to the highest position in the land.

It was unworthy of what I have come to expect of you.  

I suppose it comes down to one's definition of hatred.  One who sees the value of women largely determined by their sexual desirability, and who, when in a disagreement with a woman, attacks her sexuality or appearance or uses derogatory terms based on her gender (e.g. "bimbo"), in other words sees women as not being worthy of dignity, hates women.  Does the fact that Hitler considered some Jews to be "noble Jews" and worthy of protection prove that he didn't hate Jews?  Now I'm not saying that Trump is even remotely comparable to Hitler in terms of evil committed or degree of hatred, but just that exceptions don't disprove the generalization.

I know I would not do today some things I would have talked about or even done twenty years ago.

It is certainly possible for people to change, but while you can say that Trump said specific thing X, Y years ago, he continues to say Z, Q, and T today, demonstrating not that his attitude has changed, but rather that he is able to modify his external expression of it to a minor degree.  I trust that your change has been to the inner man, leading to a change in how you express things outwardly.

One of the highest executives in his organizations is his female offspring.

But he's fine with his buddy calling her "a piece of ass."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikTv0I8XVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpOZVN4_Ihc

Good thing you don't live here and have to worry about what our president does.