Trump said Americans should determine their own policies on immigration

[98valk]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/03/politics/us-global-compact-migration/index.html

[Jess from VA]

What he didn't need to say was we don't need no stinking World Socialist Organization laying out all our domestic and foreign policy for us. 

Now if he could just kick them out of NY (and off all US soil), man would that be great.  Cancer should be eradicated whenever possible.

And cut our annual payment(s) down to that of Portugal.  Voting against (or abstaining on) most of what they want to do and still being one of the largest contributors is horse poopy.

[Robert]

Thank God for Trump that puts America first.

  At 135 billion the cost of Illegal immigration and not to mention the lives paid by US citizens murdered the theft of services and false tax refunds is much to high a cost. If you look at Germany and France with the immigration policies setup the countries are not the same as they used to be. Its part of the one world agenda and open boarders that encroaches on a countries rights and depletes it resources. Making the average person responsible for the cost.


Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/map-illegal-immigration-costs-calif-most-23b-all-states-89b/article/2642257

The costs cover added expenditures for education, welfare, law enforcement, and medical care.

When federal costs are included, the price tag nationally soars to $135 billion a year.

FAIR’s data also includes the offset of taxes paid by illegal immigrants, though the numbers are much lower. In the state and local column, they are $3.5 billion. Nationally they are $15 billion.

[Oss]

It is Not the lone fact that there are illegal immigrants

It is the fact that so many are causing crime, death, costs of detention, costs of medicaid, costs of schooling, cost of not paying taxes 

Yes I agree if a person came in without a visa they broke the law And if a criminal comes back light his ass up.

But why did they come in the first place  as terrorists or as workers with or without a skill set, are they someone who shares the belief of constitutional law, religious freedom, free speech and respect for their fellow americans

If not get the hell out, dont let the door hit you on the way back to wherever If was up to me hard labor until the airfare cost and other damages are paid building the trenches for the walls

Many people came here in the last few centuries WOP  The balance point seems lost to those in charge and those on either side of the spectrum

[DirtyDan]

Hey OSS I have to ask

If it’s “OK” to be an undocumented immigrant

What else is ok to be undocumented

How about an an undocumented lawyer ?

Dan

[ridingron]

 undocumented pharmacist ?

[Oss]

It is not ok to be undocumented alien or immigrant

But if a government fails to see shades of grey we are in trouble.

Well we are already in trouble.

I thought my point was pretty clear Dan.
Build the damn wall
Deal with illegals committing crimes first and foremost
Illegal alien here commiting murder go straight to labor camp until trial. They have to earn right to be deported thru hard labor digging trenches for the wall
Deal with illegals who keep coming back to do us wrong (I mean criminal act-deportation and repeats) in a way that the world knows we are not compassionate if it means killing them well that is what it is. It will cut out the recidivism.
Deal with illegals who have learned to game the system just like we should deal with welfare frauds and those who enable them
Build the damn wall
Set up a system to punish/tax/control/ and make a path for citizenship after all that is done for those who have proven they are
willing to stand for our country or they too get deported.
Build the damn wall

IMHO Without ALL of the above we have no immigration policy just a cycle of doing bullshit for election votes
 
Know what pisses me off ? Seeing a good kid here for 17 years and Obama (yeah not Trump) deporting him the day before his prom, and the kid was a good kid, good grades, good everything but his mom came over the border when he was 1.  We could have just created the makings of a possible terrorist if you think about it. a kid who knows the country and now hates its government,

Shades   they arent just for windows

[dinosnake]

"Thank God for Trump that puts America first. "

Yep.  Add another 1.5 trillion to the national debt so you can cut taxes on major international corporations to 20%, with absolutely NO historical proof that doing such has EVER had the effects promised...

(actually, Kansas showed just the opposite, and North Carolina shows pretty much no effect at all)

...but have many current individual tax benefits be reduced, and most proposed individual tax cuts with an expiration date.

But that's "Putting America first".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-populist-mask-is-slipping-for-trump-and-the-gop/2017/12/03/a47e38d8-d869-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6dd2a87b0ef0

[scooperhsd]

I don't have any problems with Legal Immigrants.

As long as they otherwise obey the law and pay taxes (and not welfare suckers) , I don't have all that much problems with illegal immigrants.

If they are NOT in the two  categories mentioned - I do have a problem with them, especially violent criminals. Violent criminals should serve HARD TIME / labor , then forcibly deported.

[3fan4life]

"Thank God for Trump that puts America first. "

Yep.  Add another 1.5 trillion to the national debt so you can cut taxes on major international corporations to 20%, with absolutely NO historical proof that doing such has EVER had the effects promised...

(actually, Kansas showed just the opposite, and North Carolina shows pretty much no effect at all)

...but have many current individual tax benefits be reduced, and most proposed individual tax cuts with an expiration date.

But that's "Putting America first".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-populist-mask-is-slipping-for-trump-and-the-gop/2017/12/03/a47e38d8-d869-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6dd2a87b0ef0

It's   how liberals think that no-one but them pays enough in taxes.

Maybe we should just add a place on the 1040 forms that says,

"I'd like to pay additional taxes in the amount of $ ___________."

Then all of the liberals can just pony up enough extra $$ to feel good about themselves.


One thing is for sure, the tax code hasn't had a major revision in almost 40 yrs.

What we have now isn't working.

At least 137 economist sent a letter to Congress touting the benefits of this new proposed plan and urging its passing.

So, why not give it a chance?

Why do liberals insist on taxing American companies to death?

This ultimately sends manufacturing overseas resulting in the loss of American jobs.

Which results in more people on the welfare roles, increased drug abuse and an increase in crime rates.

All of which cost the taxpayers more $$$$$.


I am a huge fan of, "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

Most people (even liberals) will acknowledge that our current tax system is broken.

They just don't agree on what it will take to fix it.

I applaud President Trump for proposing the first true change to the tax code in nearly four decades.

I say let's pass it and see how it works.

That should be OK with the liberal community, they didn't have a problem with that approach when they were selling Obama Care.  

[3fan4life]

I don't have any problems with Legal Immigrants.

As long as they otherwise obey the law and pay taxes (and not welfare suckers) , I don't have all that much problems with illegal immigrants.

If they are NOT in the two  categories mentioned - I do have a problem with them, especially violent criminals. Violent criminals should serve HARD TIME / labor , then forcibly deported.

People who come here illegally have already shown that they don't respect our laws.

[scooperhsd]

I don't have any problems with Legal Immigrants.

As long as they otherwise obey the law and pay taxes (and not welfare suckers) , I don't have all that much problems with illegal immigrants.

If they are NOT in the two  categories mentioned - I do have a problem with them, especially violent criminals. Violent criminals should serve HARD TIME / labor , then forcibly deported.

People who come here illegally have already shown that they don't respect our laws.

There's a bit of a difference here - maybe the difference is too subtle for you to see ?

[3fan4life]

I don't have any problems with Legal Immigrants.

As long as they otherwise obey the law and pay taxes (and not welfare suckers) , I don't have all that much problems with illegal immigrants.

If they are NOT in the two  categories mentioned - I do have a problem with them, especially violent criminals. Violent criminals should serve HARD TIME / labor , then forcibly deported.

People who come here illegally have already shown that they don't respect our laws.

There's a bit of a difference here - maybe the difference is too subtle for you to see ?

I Don't think so.

If someone comes here through any means other than the established legal channels they have broken the law, period.

This seems to be the ONLY country on earth where people think it's OK if someone just "Sneaks" in.


I don't have a problem with legal immigrants and even believe that we should make it easier for people to come here on a work visa, if they have a job waiting on them here.

I don't want ANYONE living and working here ILLEGALLY.

[DirtyDan]

I think of the “undocumented zone”

It’s like the twilight zone..........

Dan

[G-Man]

"Thank God for Trump that puts America first. "

Yep.  Add another 1.5 trillion to the national debt

You've mentioned this addition to the debt several times.  While 1.5 trillion (over the next 10 YEARS, btw) seems like a lot, I don't recall your outrage over the 10 Trillion your team added over the last 8 years, doubling the entire debt they started with.

[f6gal]

As long as they otherwise obey the law and pay taxes (and not welfare suckers) , I don't have all that much problems with illegal immigrants.

I've heard this on occasion... that the illegal immigrants pay taxes.  How exactly do they do that?  They don't have SS numbers.  I can tell you how... on stolen SS numbers.  The unknowing victim of the SS number theft may not find out for years that their SS number was used with taxes underpaid.  By then they may owe the IRS thousands of dollars... or even hundreds of thousands, with interest and penalties.  I'm not saying this based on hearsay, but on personal experience.   

[scooperhsd]

Actually - not "stolen SSN" but rather - TIN - Taxpayer Identification Number.
There is a barrier between the IRS collecting taxes and advising the rest of the Federal Govt about the fact they are illegal.

This from my wife who has many years of Taxpayer  preperation experiance with Jackson Hewitt.

[f6gal]

Actually - not "stolen SSN" but rather - TIN - Taxpayer Identification Number.
There is a barrier between the IRS collecting taxes and advising the rest of the Federal Govt about the fact they are illegal.

This from my wife who has many years of Taxpayer  preperation experiance with Jackson Hewitt.

ITINs are given to ppl with green cards, ppl who are not citizens but are here legally.  Illegal means they are not here legally and have no green card or ITIN.  

Before coming here illegally, they often pay someone for forged documents and a stolen SS number.

[Gavin_Sons]

Get rid of income taxes and go to a flat tax. That gets everyone from the crooked businessman all the way down to the low life drug dealer. Now the illegals are paying into our system, or at least paying for some of the crap they take from this country.

[Pappy!]

"Thank God for Trump that puts America first. "

Yep.  Add another 1.5 trillion to the national debt so you can cut taxes on major international corporations to 20%, with absolutely NO historical proof that doing such has EVER had the effects promised...

(actually, Kansas showed just the opposite, and North Carolina shows pretty much no effect at all)

...but have many current individual tax benefits be reduced, and most proposed individual tax cuts with an expiration date.


But that's "Putting America first".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-populist-mask-is-slipping-for-trump-and-the-gop/2017/12/03/a47e38d8-d869-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6dd2a87b0ef0

Right.......
And YOUR last president managed to DOUBLE the ENTIRE national debt brought forward by all previous presidents combined. What do we have to show for that again???
Hmmmm....you seemed to have conveniently forgotten about that though.

[BradValk48237]

The problem is that America has already voted on this.......

If people would stop giving work to most of them then they wouldnt come here. 

Some how they are getting jobs. 

B

[The emperor has no clothes]

The problem is that America has already voted on this.......

If people would stop giving work to most of them then they wouldnt come here. 

Some how they are getting jobs. 

B

Bingo ! 

[3fan4life]

The problem is that America has already voted on this.......

If people would stop giving work to most of them then they wouldnt come here. 

Some how they are getting jobs. 

B

It's because they are so desperate that they are willing to do the jobs that most people don't want for a wage that is so low no-one else would work for it.

You would think that the bleeding heart liberals that care so much about these illegal immigrants would want to stop what amounts to the indentured servitude of these people.

Knowingly employing someone who is here illegally should be a criminal offense.

[G-Man]

You would think that the bleeding heart liberals that care so much about these illegal immigrants would want to stop what amounts to the indentured servitude of these people.

You would think that, wouldn't you ? ? ?

Today's liberals aren't very liberal anymore.  They are perfectly fine with the exploitation of the (illegal) migrant worker.  They've even created sanctuary cities where they can come to in mass number, congregate around the local Home Depot to get picked up by contractors who pay them little (if they pay them at all or if they don't get robbed of the cash they just got paid).  They don't care that they live 10 or 12 men in a two bedroom basement or in their unregistered, uninsured cars.  They don't care about the crime and corruption that comes along with illegal immigration.  They say the immigrant communities won't help local authorities if they remove the illegal element, as though legal immigrants want to live with criminals in their neighborhoods.  Today's liberal is fine with everything that illegal immigration does to harm the country, because that's their ultimate goal.  It's like the liberal is a wife and the country is the husband.  She says she loves him, but wants to change everything about him so he'll be better.     Remember, Obama said it.........  he was gonna Fundamentally Transform the country.

[98valk]

The problem is that America has already voted on this.......

If people would stop giving work to most of them then they wouldnt come here. 

Some how they are getting jobs. 

B

WRONG! they are given all kind/types of free money from the govt. wake up!

[JimC]

The problem is that America has already voted on this.......

If people would stop giving work to most of them then they wouldnt come here.

Some how they are getting jobs. 

Wrong answer Brad
https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

Jim

[baldo]

"Thank God for Trump that puts America first. "

Yep.  Add another 1.5 trillion to the national debt so you can cut taxes on major international corporations to 20%, with absolutely NO historical proof that doing such has EVER had the effects promised...

(actually, Kansas showed just the opposite, and North Carolina shows pretty much no effect at all)

...but have many current individual tax benefits be reduced, and most proposed individual tax cuts with an expiration date.


But that's "Putting America first".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-populist-mask-is-slipping-for-trump-and-the-gop/2017/12/03/a47e38d8-d869-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6dd2a87b0ef0

Right.......
And YOUR last president managed to DOUBLE the ENTIRE national debt brought forward by all previous presidents combined. What do we have to show for that again???
Hmmmm....you seemed to have conveniently forgotten about that though.

Sorry.....http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

It is not ok to be undocumented alien or immigrant

But if a government fails to see shades of grey we are in trouble.

Well we are already in trouble.

I thought my point was pretty clear Dan.
Build the damn wall
Deal with illegals committing crimes first and foremost
Illegal alien here commiting murder go straight to labor camp until trial. They have to earn right to be deported thru hard labor digging trenches for the wall
Deal with illegals who keep coming back to do us wrong (I mean criminal act-deportation and repeats) in a way that the world knows we are not compassionate if it means killing them well that is what it is. It will cut out the recidivism.
Deal with illegals who have learned to game the system just like we should deal with welfare frauds and those who enable them
Build the damn wall
Set up a system to punish/tax/control/ and make a path for citizenship after all that is done for those who have proven they are
willing to stand for our country or they too get deported.
Build the damn wall

IMHO Without ALL of the above we have no immigration policy just a cycle of doing bullshit for election votes
 
Know what pisses me off ? Seeing a good kid here for 17 years and Obama (yeah not Trump) deporting him the day before his prom, and the kid was a good kid, good grades, good everything but his mom came over the border when he was 1.  We could have just created the makings of a possible terrorist if you think about it. a kid who knows the country and now hates its government,

Shades   they arent just for windows

 

[3fan4life]

"Thank God for Trump that puts America first. "

Yep.  Add another 1.5 trillion to the national debt so you can cut taxes on major international corporations to 20%, with absolutely NO historical proof that doing such has EVER had the effects promised...

(actually, Kansas showed just the opposite, and North Carolina shows pretty much no effect at all)

...but have many current individual tax benefits be reduced, and most proposed individual tax cuts with an expiration date.


But that's "Putting America first".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-populist-mask-is-slipping-for-trump-and-the-gop/2017/12/03/a47e38d8-d869-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6dd2a87b0ef0

Right.......
And YOUR last president managed to DOUBLE the ENTIRE national debt brought forward by all previous presidents combined. What do we have to show for that again???
Hmmmm....you seemed to have conveniently forgotten about that though.

Sorry.....http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/

Your link is a little old and not quite accurate:

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

U.S. Debt by President: By Dollar and Percent. Why the Winner Is...Barack Obama......  Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase, in seven years. This was the fifth-largest increase percentage-wise.

[baldo]

"Thank God for Trump that puts America first. "

Yep.  Add another 1.5 trillion to the national debt so you can cut taxes on major international corporations to 20%, with absolutely NO historical proof that doing such has EVER had the effects promised...

(actually, Kansas showed just the opposite, and North Carolina shows pretty much no effect at all)

...but have many current individual tax benefits be reduced, and most proposed individual tax cuts with an expiration date.


But that's "Putting America first".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-populist-mask-is-slipping-for-trump-and-the-gop/2017/12/03/a47e38d8-d869-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6dd2a87b0ef0

Right.......
And YOUR last president managed to DOUBLE the ENTIRE national debt brought forward by all previous presidents combined. What do we have to show for that again???
Hmmmm....you seemed to have conveniently forgotten about that though.

Sorry.....http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/

Your link is a little old and not quite accurate:

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

U.S. Debt by President: By Dollar and Percent. Why the Winner Is...Barack Obama......  Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase, in seven years. This was the fifth-largest increase percentage-wise.

And how much of that was attributed to Bush's wars that were kept off the books? I'd look it up, but I'm pretty busy today.

[3fan4life]

"Thank God for Trump that puts America first. "

Yep.  Add another 1.5 trillion to the national debt so you can cut taxes on major international corporations to 20%, with absolutely NO historical proof that doing such has EVER had the effects promised...

(actually, Kansas showed just the opposite, and North Carolina shows pretty much no effect at all)

...but have many current individual tax benefits be reduced, and most proposed individual tax cuts with an expiration date.


But that's "Putting America first".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-populist-mask-is-slipping-for-trump-and-the-gop/2017/12/03/a47e38d8-d869-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.6dd2a87b0ef0

Right.......
And YOUR last president managed to DOUBLE the ENTIRE national debt brought forward by all previous presidents combined. What do we have to show for that again???
Hmmmm....you seemed to have conveniently forgotten about that though.

Sorry.....http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/may/04/chain-email/obama-has-added-more-national-debt-previous-43-pre/

Your link is a little old and not quite accurate:

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

U.S. Debt by President: By Dollar and Percent. Why the Winner Is...Barack Obama......  Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase, in seven years. This was the fifth-largest increase percentage-wise.

And how much of that was attributed to Bush's wars that were kept off the books? I'd look it up, but I'm pretty busy today.

The article is a factual non-political accounting of how much EVERY president has contributed to the National Debt.

It looks at $$ amount and % increase.

Bush increased it by more percentage than Obama but a total of about 2 Trillion $$ less.

[Robert]

Obama Blocked Deportation Of 550,000 Illegal Aliens, More Than Atlanta’s Population

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-blocked-deportation-of-550000-illegals-more-than-atlantas-population/article/2642694