Trump Calls Jerusalem Plan Step Toward Peace

[Robert]

What a time we live in to see prophecy come to life as Jerusalem is officially declared by the US, Israel's  capital. No president has done this step even though the Jerusalem Embassy Act established in 95, said it should have been done by 99. I doubt it will bring peace but there is a blessing to keep Isreal that God specifically states.

The establishment of Israel as a country was a miracle in the first place and to have this done is proof that there is a God. It also says God keeps His promises and Trump keeps his promises also and is a man used by God to bring about changes that God wants.

keep watching this is going to get interesting.

The new world order is upset at this development also,

Pope Francis Upset Over Recognition Of Jerusalem As Capital Of Israel

The Call of Abram
Gen 12:1  Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; 
Gen 12:2  And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 
Gen 12:3  And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

If you dont like Trump then maybe there should be a reconsideration or at least a pause to think that God in fact may be using him. If you call yourself a christian then you should understand the times and seasons and know the signs of who God uses and what is happening.

There are promises and protections for a country that protects and aligns with Israel that is what Obama was doing cutting off our blessings from the protection of Isreal. That to me was the most egregious thing Obama did.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If God has picked Trump as his instrument to help mankind, we are indeed screwed.

[¿spoom]

What a time we live in to see prophecy come to life as Jerusalem is officially declared by the US, Israel's  capital. No president has done this step even though the Jerusalem Embassy Act established in 95, said it should have been done by 99. I doubt it will bring peace but there is a blessing to keep Isreal that God specifically states.

The establishment of Israel as a country was a miracle in the first place and to have this done is proof that there is a God. It also says God keeps His promises and Trump keeps his promises also and is a man used by God to bring about changes that God wants.

keep watching this is going to get interesting.

The new world order is upset at this development also,

Pope Francis Upset Over Recognition Of Jerusalem As Capital Of Israel

The Call of Abram
Gen 12:1  Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; 
Gen 12:2  And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; 
Gen 12:3  And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

If you dont like Trump then maybe there should be a reconsideration or at least a pause to think that God in fact may be using him. If you call yourself a christian then you should understand the times and seasons and know the signs of who God uses and what is happening.

There are promises and protections for a country that protects and aligns with Israel that is what Obama was doing cutting off our blessings from the protection of Isreal. That to me was the most egregious thing Obama did.

Congress passed a law in 1995 that ordered the U.S. embassy to be located in Jerusalem, but every U.S. president since the mandate became law has decided to delay it, arguing a relocation must come through negotiations, not a decree.

Obama announced as a candidate for president in 2008 at the American Israel Pubic Affairs Committee policy conference that any agreement between the Israeli and Palestinian people must recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

[Gryphon Rider]

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the secular nation Israel's capital was prophesied in Scripture? Chapter and verse, please.

God used many idol-worshipping kings to serve His purposes concerning Israel, often to punish Israel. He also used pagan Rome to establish the circumstances that allowed the Gospel to be spread far and wide by the first and second-century church. He also used Pilate and Judas through which to accomplish His purpose in Christ Jesus.

[3fan4life]

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the secular nation Israel's capital was prophesied in Scripture? Chapter and verse, please.

God used many idol-worshipping kings to serve His purposes concerning Israel, often to punish Israel. He also used pagan Rome to establish the circumstances that allowed the Gospel to be spread far and wide by the first and second-century church. He also used Pilate and Judas through which to accomplish His purpose in Christ Jesus.

Just because you HATE the man doesn't mean that he might not be doing God's will.

Coincidentally, if Judas and Pontius Pilate had not followed God's will You and I would not be saved.

[Gryphon Rider]

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the secular nation Israel's capital was prophesied in Scripture? Chapter and verse, please.

God used many idol-worshipping kings to serve His purposes concerning Israel, often to punish Israel. He also used pagan Rome to establish the circumstances that allowed the Gospel to be spread far and wide by the first and second-century church. He also used Pilate and Judas through which to accomplish His purpose in Christ Jesus.

Just because you HATE the man doesn't mean that he might not be doing God's will.

Coincidentally, if Judas and Pontius Pilate had not followed God's will You and I would not be saved.

I don't think Pilate nor Judas sought to obediently follow the will of God, but He accomplished His purpose through them and in spite of their intentions.

You're quite mistaken; I don't hate Trump. I love God, I love truth, and I love righteousness. I would be delighted if Trump would repent, deny himself, put his faith entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ, willingly bow before Him, and receive eternal life.

[Gavin_Sons]

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the secular nation Israel's capital was prophesied in Scripture? Chapter and verse, please.

God used many idol-worshipping kings to serve His purposes concerning Israel, often to punish Israel. He also used pagan Rome to establish the circumstances that allowed the Gospel to be spread far and wide by the first and second-century church. He also used Pilate and Judas through which to accomplish His purpose in Christ Jesus.

Just because you HATE the man doesn't mean that he might not be doing God's will.

Coincidentally, if Judas and Pontius Pilate had not followed God's will You and I would not be saved.

I don't think Pilate nor Judas sought to obediently follow the will of God, but He accomplished His purpose through them and in spite of their intentions.

You're quite mistaken; I don't hate Trump. I love God, I love truth, and I love righteousness. I would be delighted if Trump would repent, deny himself, put his faith entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ, willingly bow before Him, and receive eternal life.

Once again, good thing you dont live here and have to worry about what OUR president does. 

[Robert]

You're quite mistaken; I don't hate Trump. I love God, I love truth, and I love righteousness. I would be delighted if Trump would repent, deny himself, put his faith entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ, willingly bow before Him, and receive eternal life.

Mat 7:1  “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged.
Mat 7:2  For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.

Luk 7:47  “I tell you, her sins—and they are many—have been forgiven, so she has shown me much love. But a person who is forgiven little shows only little love.”
Luk 7:48  Then Jesus said to the woman, “Your sins are forgiven.”

Rom 14:1  Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.
Rom 14:2  For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables.
Rom 14:3  Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them.
Rom 14:4  Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.

Mat 12:50  Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”

Religion and the world says shame on you

Jesus says shame off you

Your attitude is the very reason I did not get saved till later in life. No one satisfies the laws of God to be saved yet, we are saved by grace and not of our own but at Gods will. I think you will be surprised to find some priests that dont make heaven and some businessmen that will. Jesus called the priests white washed tombs and the prostitute forgiven

Trump is a businessman and there is a book out called kings and priests. The two are very different and yet both are needed in the kingdom of God. Godly businessmen are not going to satisfy the strict morals of a priest. But in many cases I would rather have a Godly businessman as a friend than a priest since I have seen many that have been worse than businessmen.

Any man that stops his multi million dollar business carer to help the county that he loves and tries to give back some of the benefits of being a US citizen that have benefited himself and then does what no president has been able to do before and give Israels capital back to them is in my books doing Gods work. It may not always be right in our eyes and we may not like some of the things that are being done either. 

I dont idolize Trump but I look at his actions in office and see that he is doing what he promised he would do and also putting things right with the things of God. These actions are actions that I believe no other president would accomplish. The way he won the things he is doing, the pressure against him that keeps falling away is more than I have seen any president or man be able to bear and yet he does.

I like Jesus's way much more than the world since He loved me without reservation and even when I fall still loves me, holds me and helps me do the right thing. That is the love I know,that is the love He wants us to model.


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[G-Man]

Hamas called for another intifada.

Can anyone please tell me why Hamas still exists on this planet.  Why, after more than 30 years, there is one member of Hamas allowed to walk the earth?  Why this little gnat on a dogs ass is allowed to kill innocent people, hide behind other innocent people, and call for death to Israel and the U.S.?

[G-Man]

BTW, I'm very proud of my President.  He continues to do what the others only talked about.   

It is correct that Jerusalem was declared Israel's capitol in 1949.  It is also correct that in 1995 (45 years later) the U.S. declared that Jerusalem was the capitol (even though Obama's press sec'y wouldn't admit to it, Obama did say it, once).  It is also true that no president since 1995 has had the guts to actually stand with Israel and solidify it, until now.

But, but, the arab world is gonna be mad    ........  Who give's a $hit?  Why, all of a sudden they need reason to hate us?  We keep making up reasons for their sick $hit.  Remember when they hated us because our women wear bikinis?   

[Oss]

About freaking time.  Because my friend G-Man, people are stupid, greedy and stiff necked as they were 3000 years ago    they want what they want now for free.  Actually I see these people are the equivalent of those right here who want what others have for free and willing to riot and kill. We have to be on our guard  I am actually proud that they hate us because that gives the world the mirror to see them for what they are and represent and why it is reprehensible

The mullahs perversion of a religion has a good part of Islamic people convinced that Allah, their Lord, would rather see them blow themselves up, kill innocents, throw gays off rooftops, rape and stone women, insult and stab, than actually get off their stinkin asses and work.  Here is one example

Not one Israeli is in Gaza, Israel never wanted the land of the Phillistines. It is cursed land for a barbarous people that were not exorcised in biblical times, the land of Amalek.  (not saying I believe in that just saying) Billions of dollars sent there. Yet corruption means, as in Africa, that people go hungry - no jobs  children taught to hate and kill jews.  Tunnels dug into Israel so scum can kill, kidnap and torture CHILDREN some of them ours.
This is the OFFICIAL line a line that Obama singularly fed by stating he STANDS with Islam. His words and his actions. Meanwhile injured are treated in Israeli hospitals whether arab, moslem or jew.  Seventy years and still the irrational hate is fed by the Saudis, Iranians and big oil money.

Also, There is a reason its called (Judea) Its because it is the JEWISH land. Predating Exodus,  There will be no peace as long as there is radical Islam and I hope Trump does not fall for the fake hope as so many Presidents have. It must come from deeds and actions of the islamic world.   Keep your powder dry Israel  The storm continues.

[Robert]

Obama Won't Meet With Netanyahu During Washington Visit
On Wednesday, Speaker of the House John Boehner announced that Netanyahu had accepted an invitation to address Congress on Feb. 11, but neither the Republican leader nor the Israelis informed the White House, in a move Press Secretary Josh Earnest called a breach from protocol. The personal relationship between the U.S. and Israeli leader has deteriorated in recent years, even as both leaders argue that the professional relationship has never been stronger.

President Obama is facing widespread backlash from Republicans and some Democrats after the United States abstained from a vote on a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning Israeli settlements, allowing the resolution to pass.

President Obama has repeatedly called for Israel to implement "a two-state solution" and to return to the suicidal borders of 1967

Now, incomprehensibly, President Obama is providing Egypt, which is governed by the Muslim Brotherhood, with 20 fighter jets.  In light of the fact that Egypt has broken their treaty with Israel, and with tensions in Egypt so high among its own population, this seems a very foolish move and one which surely signals to the Muslim-Arab Middle East that Obama stands clearly on the side of Egypt’s President Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood.


I would say that Obama was the most anti Israel president we have ever had

[3fan4life]

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the secular nation Israel's capital was prophesied in Scripture? Chapter and verse, please.

God used many idol-worshipping kings to serve His purposes concerning Israel, often to punish Israel. He also used pagan Rome to establish the circumstances that allowed the Gospel to be spread far and wide by the first and second-century church. He also used Pilate and Judas through which to accomplish His purpose in Christ Jesus.

Just because you HATE the man doesn't mean that he might not be doing God's will.

Coincidentally, if Judas and Pontius Pilate had not followed God's will You and I would not be saved.

I don't think Pilate nor Judas sought to obediently follow the will of God, but He accomplished His purpose through them and in spite of their intentions.

You're quite mistaken; I don't hate Trump. I love God, I love truth, and I love righteousness. I would be delighted if Trump would repent, deny himself, put his faith entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ, willingly bow before Him, and receive eternal life.

Apparently, you are much more legalistic in your Christian views than I.

The problem that I have with legalistic views is that they prevent many non-believers from accepting Jesus.

To quote evangelist Jesse Duplantis: "You're trying to clean the fish before it's in the boat".

Many non-believers refuse to accept Christ because deep down they feel that they aren't "good enough" to be saved.

Legalism propagates this view.

The truth is that NONE of us are "good enough" to be saved.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23-26 (NKJV)

To "run" people away from the gospel for any reason diminishes Jesus Christ, The Church and The Kingdom of God.

[Serk]

Hamas called for another intifada.

And how would this be any different than their behavior for the last 50 years?

That's the problem with overplaying your hand, when a group is perpetually enraged and continually lashes out with violence non-stop for years, it's hard to tell when they get REALLY mad.

Israel put up one of the few 9/11 memorials outside of the USA.
Palestinians danced in celebration on 9/11.

I know which group I'll throw my lot in with.

[Alberta Patriot]

If I may...Please excuse Liberal Leaning Canadians and their strong dislike for Trump.  They get their news almost exclusively from Left Leaning Canadian News Networks  that...non stop... Vilified Stephen Harper...who was probably one of Canada's best Prime Ministers in modern times. Now we are stuck with what I consider probably the worst in living memory and the sad part is that I am afraid that we here in Canada are stuck with rising taxes, rising debt,  Socialist and PC Political Dogma and the introduction of hate speech laws (Bill C-16) that will muzzle us with Speech and Thought Tribunals...God Help Us.
and...God help you, had Hillary been Elected.
If I didn't have children and grandchildren in Calgary, I would probably be living in Montana or Idaho right now!!

[signart]

Jerusalem has always been the capital of Israel, just retook it in 1948. Israel has been the home country of the Jewish people longer than the other countries around it have even been countries. Like G-man says, proud to have a leader unafraid.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the secular nation Israel's capital was prophesied in Scripture? Chapter and verse, please.

God used many idol-worshipping kings to serve His purposes concerning Israel, often to punish Israel. He also used pagan Rome to establish the circumstances that allowed the Gospel to be spread far and wide by the first and second-century church. He also used Pilate and Judas through which to accomplish His purpose in Christ Jesus.

Just because you HATE the man doesn't mean that he might not be doing God's will.

Coincidentally, if Judas and Pontius Pilate had not followed God's will You and I would not be saved.

I don't think Pilate nor Judas sought to obediently follow the will of God, but He accomplished His purpose through them and in spite of their intentions.

You're quite mistaken; I don't hate Trump. I love God, I love truth, and I love righteousness. I would be delighted if Trump would repent, deny himself, put his faith entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ, willingly bow before Him, and receive eternal life.

Apparently, you are much more legalistic in your Christian views than I.

The problem that I have with legalistic views is that they prevent many non-believers from accepting Jesus.

To quote evangelist Jesse Duplantis: "You're trying to clean the fish before it's in the boat".

Many non-believers refuse to accept Christ because deep down they feel that they aren't "good enough" to be saved.

Legalism propagates this view.

The truth is that NONE of us are "good enough" to be saved.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23-26 (NKJV)

To "run" people away from the gospel for any reason diminishes Jesus Christ, The Church and The Kingdom of God.

Maybe. I suspect many more turn away from Christianity because of the hypocrisy of SOME who profess to be followers of Christ out of one side of their mouth and spew hate and bigotry out the other side. It makes them feel “if this is Christianity I want no part of it”. 

[Robert]

An awesome Phrophecy that came true and shows Gods plan for this time and yes Trump helped it happen by Gods grace and will.

http://www.jesus4evers.com/?p=2437


Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu was the youngest person to ever be elected as Prime Minister of Israel. During his first term as Prime Minister in the late 1990s a Christian African minister named Robert Mawire received a word from God that he must speak to the leader of Israel.

Robert came to Dallas Texas to meet the man who would introduce him to Netanyahu. Benjamin agreed to give him a minute to give his word while jokingly telling Robert to “remember what we do to prophets who say things that don’t come true”.  Of course, he was referring to Deuteronomy 18:20-22
Robert’s first prophetic word to Netanyahu

Undeterred, Robert turns to Netanyahu and tells him “I have placed you in this position, says the Lord. Do not give up my land. If you do give up my land, I will remove you from this position”.

Benjamin kind of laughed and didn’t take it seriously. One of the people who was there to witness the warning was Ariel Sharon, a man who would later become Prime Minister and give up land for peace that never came. Ariel had a stroke, that put him in a comma for eight years and then he died.

Robert’s second prophetic word to Netanyahu

Robert says to Netanyahu “you will once again become Prime Minister of Israel. If you honor His covenant that He made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, regarding Israel, He will honor you and exalt you. But if you disregard His covenant and give away His land, He will dishonor you. Be strong and of good courage, for unto this people you shall divide an inheritance, the land that I swore to their fathers that I would give them.

Do not ever negotiate land for peace… God is not done with you. You will be Prime Minister again in a critical time of history.”

Now about this time, Barak Obama became president of the United States and Benjamin Netanyahu became Prime minister of Israel again, according to the prophecy. The Obama administration has pressured Benjamin to give up land, and even tried to get him removed from power. For a time, it looked like Netanyahu would be removed from office but, almost miraculously, Netanyahu was re-elected. Not only that but he’s about to become the longest serving Prime minister in the history of Israel.

[Robert]

Maybe. I suspect many more turn away from Christianity because of the hypocrisy of SOME who profess to be followers of Christ out of one side of their mouth and spew hate and bigotry out the other side. It makes them feel “if this is Christianity I want no part of it”. 

Unfortunately its your loss and we are told to look at no man, if that was the case I would never have become a Christian.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

Heb 12:1  Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2  fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

When you appear before The judgement throne of God remember to say just what you wrote, I'm sure it will carry a lot of weight.

[3fan4life]

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the secular nation Israel's capital was prophesied in Scripture? Chapter and verse, please.

God used many idol-worshipping kings to serve His purposes concerning Israel, often to punish Israel. He also used pagan Rome to establish the circumstances that allowed the Gospel to be spread far and wide by the first and second-century church. He also used Pilate and Judas through which to accomplish His purpose in Christ Jesus.

Just because you HATE the man doesn't mean that he might not be doing God's will.

Coincidentally, if Judas and Pontius Pilate had not followed God's will You and I would not be saved.

I don't think Pilate nor Judas sought to obediently follow the will of God, but He accomplished His purpose through them and in spite of their intentions.

You're quite mistaken; I don't hate Trump. I love God, I love truth, and I love righteousness. I would be delighted if Trump would repent, deny himself, put his faith entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ, willingly bow before Him, and receive eternal life.

Apparently, you are much more legalistic in your Christian views than I.

The problem that I have with legalistic views is that they prevent many non-believers from accepting Jesus.

To quote evangelist Jesse Duplantis: "You're trying to clean the fish before it's in the boat".

Many non-believers refuse to accept Christ because deep down they feel that they aren't "good enough" to be saved.

Legalism propagates this view.

The truth is that NONE of us are "good enough" to be saved.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23-26 (NKJV)

To "run" people away from the gospel for any reason diminishes Jesus Christ, The Church and The Kingdom of God.

Maybe. I suspect many more turn away from Christianity because of the hypocrisy of SOME who profess to be followers of Christ out of one side of their mouth and spew hate and bigotry out the other side. It makes them feel “if this is Christianity I want no part of it”. 

In my opinion this is the result of developing views that are too legalistic.

Some people call themselves Christians but they develope a "Holier than Thou" attitude towards others.

Jesus warned against this :

5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.   Matthew 6:5-6 (NIV)   

Some Christians forget (or NEVER learned) that we have all fallen short. And that we are saved by grace and grace alone.

BTW: Don't give up on God because of others actions. Christianity isn't about the religion. It is about each person's acceptance of and individual walk with Christ.

[3fan4life]

It makes them feel “if this is Christianity I want no part of it”. 

Unfortunately its your loss and we are told to look at no man, if that was the case I would never have become a Christian.


When you appear before The judgement throne of God remember to say just what you wrote, I'm sure it will carry a lot of weight.

Robert, re-read what MH actually said.

I'm not entirely sure that he meant to state that as his opinion.

I believe that he was merely pointing out the excuse of many for not accepting the gospel.

One, which I fully understand.

[f6john]

If God has picked Trump as his instrument to help mankind, we are indeed screwed.

It sounds to me as if you are possibly questioning Gods judgement. If I have taken your statement correctly, you sir are on thin ice.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If God has picked Trump as his instrument to help mankind, we are indeed screwed.

It sounds to me as if you are possibly questioning Gods judgement. If I have taken your statement correctly, you sir are on thin ice.

You know that God has chosen Trump to do his work ? 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Maybe. I suspect many more turn away from Christianity because of the hypocrisy of SOME who profess to be followers of Christ out of one side of their mouth and spew hate and bigotry out the other side. It makes them feel “if this is Christianity I want no part of it”. 

Unfortunately its your loss and we are told to look at no man, if that was the case I would never have become a Christian.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

Heb 12:1  Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2  fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

When you appear before The judgement throne of God remember to say just what you wrote, I'm sure it will carry a lot of weight.

An example of what I was saying. Instead of caring about the hypocrisy of some so-called Christians, you go right to assuming I am not as worthy as you to Heaven.

[f6john]

If God has picked Trump as his instrument to help mankind, we are indeed screwed.

It sounds to me as if you are possibly questioning Gods judgement. If I have taken your statement correctly, you sir are on thin ice.

You know that God has chosen Trump to do his work ?  

I know what I see. I don’t propose to know who God uses or how he uses them. I responded to your statement. It didn’t require me to know God’s intent for Trump to make my observation on your statement.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If God has picked Trump as his instrument to help mankind, we are indeed screwed.

It sounds to me as if you are possibly questioning Gods judgement. If I have taken your statement correctly, you sir are on thin ice.

You know that God has chosen Trump to do his work ?  

I know what I see. I don’t propose to know who God uses or how he uses them. I responded to your statement. It didn’t require me to know God’s intent for Trump to make my observation on your statement.

Observe away. I’ll stand by my statement. 

[Robert]

Maybe. I suspect many more turn away from Christianity because of the hypocrisy of SOME who profess to be followers of Christ out of one side of their mouth and spew hate and bigotry out the other side. It makes them feel “if this is Christianity I want no part of it”. 

Unfortunately its your loss and we are told to look at no man, if that was the case I would never have become a Christian.

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

Heb 12:1  Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2  fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

When you appear before The judgement throne of God remember to say just what you wrote, I'm sure it will carry a lot of weight.

An example of what I was saying. Instead of caring about the hypocrisy of some so-called Christians, you go right to assuming I am not as worthy as you to Heaven.

While I care about the Hypocrisy and your making it to heaven neither is up to me. You also assume to much, I only tell you what is in the bible. I don't know who is being Hypocritical in your eyes and I make no judgement about your worthiness to make it to heaven that is strictly between you and God.

And yes God did pick Donald Trump, it was told prophetically and its in the bible that God does pick our leaders.

[Serk]

it was told prophetically and its in the bible that God does pick our leaders.

The previous holder of the office of President of The United States kinda pokes holes in that theory...

[Savago]

Stating the obvious: this forum was more fun when people were not fighting over thorny subjects.

[Jess from VA]

Savago, just so you know; There is a rather longstanding trend in this (and other bike) forum, when riding gets cut down from cold weather (for most of us), we argue more.  When Spring good weather comes, we argue less.

[f6john]

If God has picked Trump as his instrument to help mankind, we are indeed screwed.

It sounds to me as if you are possibly questioning Gods judgement. If I have taken your statement correctly, you sir are on thin ice.

You know that God has chosen Trump to do his work ?  

I know what I see. I don’t propose to know who God uses or how he uses them. I responded to your statement. It didn’t require me to know God’s intent for Trump to make my observation on your statement.

Observe away. I’ll stand by my statement. 

I’m sure you will.

[scooperhsd]

Religious / Biblical statements aside - if Trump wanted to inflame the Middle East, he could not have picked a better method (short of dropping bombs / invading). I hope this doesn't come back to bite us.

[Moonshot_1]

I think this is an action to show consequences to the Palestinians for their lack of enthusiasm for the peace process. The US embassy move to Jerusalem is symbolic. Doesn't really change the dynamic much. The US Congress recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capitol decades ago.
But for the Palestinians, it does represent a symbolic backward step for them. If they continue to drag their feet in the peace process I would suspect more "symbolic" moves by this Administration. Such as not  opposing new Israeli settlements in occupied territories.

If the Palestinians and Arab countries begin to tow the line on the process, the backward momentum for them will stop. 

[Robert]

it was told prophetically and its in the bible that God does pick our leaders.

The previous holder of the office of President of The United States kinda pokes holes in that theory...

Sorry God did allow him in office, sometimes we dont get what we deserve other times we do.

Rom 13:1  Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God.

Joh 19:10  “Why don’t you talk to me?” Pilate demanded. “Don’t you realize that I have the power to release you or crucify you?” 
Joh 19:11  Then Jesus said, “You would have no power over me at all unless it were given to you from above.

[98valk]

Trump recognizing Jerusalem as the secular nation Israel's capital was prophesied in Scripture? Chapter and verse, please.

God used many idol-worshipping kings to serve His purposes concerning Israel, often to punish Israel. He also used pagan Rome to establish the circumstances that allowed the Gospel to be spread far and wide by the first and second-century church. He also used Pilate and Judas through which to accomplish His purpose in Christ Jesus.

Just because you HATE the man doesn't mean that he might not be doing God's will.

Coincidentally, if Judas and Pontius Pilate had not followed God's will You and I would not be saved.

I don't think Pilate nor Judas sought to obediently follow the will of God, but He accomplished His purpose through them and in spite of their intentions.

You're quite mistaken; I don't hate Trump. I love God, I love truth, and I love righteousness. I would be delighted if Trump would repent, deny himself, put his faith entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ, willingly bow before Him, and receive eternal life.

Apparently, you are much more legalistic in your Christian views than I.

The problem that I have with legalistic views is that they prevent many non-believers from accepting Jesus.

To quote evangelist Jesse Duplantis: "You're trying to clean the fish before it's in the boat".

Many non-believers refuse to accept Christ because deep down they feel that they aren't "good enough" to be saved.

Legalism propagates this view.

The truth is that NONE of us are "good enough" to be saved.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23-26 (NKJV)

To "run" people away from the gospel for any reason diminishes Jesus Christ, The Church and The Kingdom of God.

Legalism can also close the minds of Christians to how God wants to use them and teach them esp through the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 7:22-25The Message (MSG)

21-23 “Knowing the correct password—saying ‘Master, Master,’ for instance—isn’t going to get you anywhere with me. What is required is serious obedience—doing what my Father wills. I can see it now—at the Final Judgment thousands strutting up to me and saying, ‘Master, we preached the Message, we bashed the demons, our God-sponsored projects had everyone talking.’ And do you know what I am going to say? ‘You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don’t impress me one bit. You’re out of here.’

24-25 “These words I speak to you are not incidental additions to your life, homeowner improvements to your standard of living. They are foundational words, words to build a life on. If you work these words into your life, you are like a smart carpenter who built his house on solid rock. Rain poured down, the river flooded, a tornado hit—but nothing moved that house. It was fixed to the rock.

[Willow]

Legalism can also close the minds of Christians to how God wants to use them and teach them esp through the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 7:22-25The Message (MSG)

21-23 “Knowing the correct password—saying ‘Master, Master,’ for instance—isn’t going to get you anywhere with me. What is required is serious obedience—doing what my Father wills. I can see it now—at the Final Judgment thousands strutting up to me and saying, ‘Master, we preached the Message, we bashed the demons, our God-sponsored projects had everyone talking.’ And do you know what I am going to say? ‘You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don’t impress me one bit. You’re out of here.’

24-25 “These words I speak to you are not incidental additions to your life, homeowner improvements to your standard of living. They are foundational words, words to build a life on. If you work these words into your life, you are like a smart carpenter who built his house on solid rock. Rain poured down, the river flooded, a tornado hit—but nothing moved that house. It was fixed to the rock.  

For what it is worth The Message is a paraphrase, a very bad translation, heavily influenced by Eugene Peterson's personal, and in my opinion, misguided theology.  Even in it's distorted state, though, it speaks not against but for what people today call legalism.  Jesus more than once directs true followers to obedience.  Obedience points to rules.  Rules implies today, to many, if not most, legalism.  The Scripture here clearly says that those who do not obey what He has instructed do not know Him.

I do agree that obedience, submission to the laws, is not the cause of relationship but the result and evidence.  In my opinion the determined opposition to "legalism" is responsible for keeping a lot of folks who claim Christianity away from a true relationship.  Obedience does come after submission to the relationship and not as a requirement before.  It is however, without exception, present in everyone who belongs to the Lord.    

[98valk]

Legalism can also close the minds of Christians to how God wants to use them and teach them esp through the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 7:22-25The Message (MSG)

21-23 “Knowing the correct password—saying ‘Master, Master,’ for instance—isn’t going to get you anywhere with me. What is required is serious obedience—doing what my Father wills. I can see it now—at the Final Judgment thousands strutting up to me and saying, ‘Master, we preached the Message, we bashed the demons, our God-sponsored projects had everyone talking.’ And do you know what I am going to say? ‘You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don’t impress me one bit. You’re out of here.’

24-25 “These words I speak to you are not incidental additions to your life, homeowner improvements to your standard of living. They are foundational words, words to build a life on. If you work these words into your life, you are like a smart carpenter who built his house on solid rock. Rain poured down, the river flooded, a tornado hit—but nothing moved that house. It was fixed to the rock.  

For what it is worth The Message is a paraphrase, a very bad translation, heavily influenced by Eugene Peterson's personal, and in my opinion, misguided theology.  Even in it's distorted state, though, it speaks not against but for what people today call legalism.  Jesus more than once directs true followers to obedience.  Obedience points to rules.  Rules implies today, to many, if not most, legalism.  The Scripture here clearly says that those who do not obey what He has instructed do not know Him.

I do agree that obedience, submission to the laws, is not the cause of relationship but the result and evidence.  In my opinion the determined opposition to "legalism" is responsible for keeping a lot of folks who claim Christianity away from a true relationship.  Obedience does come after submission to the relationship and not as a requirement before.  It is however, without exception, present in everyone who belongs to the Lord.    

amplified version
Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside they are devouring wolves.

16 You will [l]fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

17 Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [[m]worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit.

18 A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear [n]excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].

19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.

20 Therefore, you will

• fully know them by their fruits.

21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name and driven out demons in Your name and done many mighty works in Your name?

23 And then I will say to them openly (publicly), I never knew you; depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].

24 So everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts upon them [obeying them] will be like a [p]sensible (prudent, practical, wise) man who built his house upon the rock.

25 And the rain fell and the floods came and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.

26 And everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not do them will be like a stupid (foolish) man who built his house upon the sand.

27 And the rain fell and the floods came and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great and complete was the fall of it.

28 When Jesus had finished these sayings [the Sermon on the Mount], the crowds were astonished and overwhelmed with bewildered wonder at His teaching,

29 For He was teaching as One Who had [and was] authority, and not as [did] the scribes.

[3fan4life]

Obedience does come after submission to the relationship and not as a requirement before.  It is however, without exception, present in everyone who belongs to the Lord.    

Thus lies my problem with Christians that are too legalistic.

They tend to "Look Down" upon a person that is a New Christian or isn't a Christian yet.

They expect them to "Know" how to act like a Christian.


You are correct that the Holy Spirit will change a person once they accept Christ.

But that change and learning to be obediant is a lengthy process and it takes some of us longer to get there than it does others.

Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all.  1 Thessalonians 5:14 (NKJV)

 

[Gryphon Rider]

Believe it or not, I actually agree with Trump that recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital is the obvious and right thing to do, but I don't think it will contribute to peace in the region.  I don't think anything short of Israel being ripped out of Palestine would satisfy the Muslim Palestinians and other surrounding Muslim nations with the exception, perhaps, of Egypt, and even that can change.  I would be very surprised if there were a lasting peace in the region until events described in Revelation have transpired and the 1000-year theocracy is established.

[3fan4life]

Believe it or not, I actually agree with Trump that recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital is the obvious and right thing to do, but I don't think it will contribute to peace in the region.  I don't think anything short of Israel being ripped out of Palestine would satisfy the Muslim Palestinians and other surrounding Muslim nations with the exception, perhaps, of Egypt, and even that can change.  I would be very surprised if there were a lasting peace in the region until events described in Revelation have transpired and the 1000-year theocracy is established.

I would say that you are correct.

I wish that you weren't.