Re: Big Brother is here in california and Dynamic Tolls

[98valk]

track your every move.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/12/11/california-considers-mileage-tax/

Dynamic Tolls

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/dynamic-tolls.1271990/

[f6john]

I have never been to California but from a very young age I always thought it would be a great place to live. The weather, the ocean, the mountains, and most of all the car culture. It seems as the years have progressed the shine has sort of worn off and might only only be a place for me to visit one day. For all it’s positives it’s sad to see residents feeling the need to relocate to a different state. Best part for Americans is that we have an abundance of great locations to live with their own unique attractions.

[..]

Gotta screw the population any which way you can.

Government at all levels sucks.

[Moonshot_1]

Don't have a problem with this. In principal anyway.
Driving is a privilege and the roads don't build or fix themselves.
No one is talking about "tracking" anyone's whereabouts but tracking road usage. It is simply a variation on a toll road.
The attempt to track everyone's mileage would seem to be impractical though as opposed to a straight up toll system for their major roadways which I would think would be far easier and far less expensive to manage. 

[98valk]

Don't have a problem with this. In principal anyway.
Driving is a privilege and the roads don't build or fix themselves.
No one is talking about "tracking" anyone's whereabouts but tracking road usage. It is simply a variation on a toll road.
The attempt to track everyone's mileage would seem to be impractical though as opposed to a straight up toll system for their major roadways which I would think would be far easier and far less expensive to manage. 

u will be tracked and they will know exactly what road u are on. this started early 2000. oregon was proposing also. govt is wasteful  with the money they have and like to do different jobs/projects that pay their buddies company millions over the yrs.

[GiG]

... Driving is a privilege...

Really?
Paying taxes for roads is a Privilege?
How do I opt out of this so-called privilege?

[cokebottle10]

They talked about a mileage tax here in NC too. Does anyone think that the gas tax will go away if they have a mileage tax? Yes someone has to pay for the roads just not sure what would be fair. Mileage?, Mileage only on electrics? Once a year based on weight?

There are also also State tax, City Tax and Fed Tax. Would each of these change? Would poor people get subsidies from the government through something like the AAA Affordable-Auto-Act?

Thanks, David in Fletcher NC.

[G-Man]

NYC has already set up a grid to track an EZ Pass badge.

I believe a mileage tax is double dipping.  We already pay taxes on our gasoline usage.  The more gas we use, either the more we drive or the less "green" our cars are.  I pay in gasoline taxes when I drive the Challenger and I pay even more if I drive it a lot.  So, I'm already paying by the useage.

[..]

The liars here in GA are going to expand the toll road system so that drivers have the opportunity to get from A to B quicker.

The liars don't even call it a tax.

[Savago]

I agree in principle because is unfair that a douche bag with a Tesla won't help paying to maintain the roads, while the John Doe with his aging truck got pay taxes on gas.

That being said: I'm another one that is considering moving away from California due the sky rocketing living costs (or at least from the SF Bay Area).

[Alberta Patriot]

How long before you recieve speeding tickets in the mail from these tracking devices.

[..]

How long before you recieve speeding tickets in the mail from these tracking devices.

In France on the toll roads at vacation time the gendarmes would be waiting at toll booths. They would check the ticket issued at the toll booth you entered the toll road on. Knowing the distance they would calculate your speed by the time the ticket was issued and your arrival at the toll booth.

Drive the miles too quickly and hey presto instant fine.

[Moonshot_1]

... Driving is a privilege...

Really?
Paying taxes for roads is a Privilege?
How do I opt out of this so-called privilege?

Build your own roads.

[GiG]

... Driving is a privilege...

Really?
Paying taxes for roads is a Privilege?
How do I opt out of this so-called privilege?

Build your own roads.

I already DID 

[old2soon]

WHEN  and Only WHEN  the-insert yer description here bout political types-learn How too BALANCE a BUDGET should the-same description here you used earlier-be allowed near anymore of OUR money. And NOT another pay raise til you git the mess('s) you and others have created straightened the eff out. I know-pie in the sky hopes. They-we KNOW who "they" are-can't even handle the tax bucks they already git much less adding more of OUR hard earned bucks. They've been doing oh so well with OUR money up til now!  That IS dripping with sarcasm!  RIDE SAFE. Yes-I KNOW I dasn't live on the left coast.

[sheets]

I don’t have an opinion on the mileage tax concept. I do have an opinion on the gas tax.

Having spent 39 years working for Cali State highways, ten of those years being responsible for “my” operating budget, making a fiscal year’s worth of allocated dollars last, including allocated funds for “overtime pay”, and the last ten of those tracking “maintenance” allocated funds for everything including utilities, materials, service contracts, and expenditures for twenty “areas” and five hundred employees. We don’t operate with a blank check style of doing business. Its not a matter of balancing a budget, it’s a matter of budgeting what the districts are allocated to get them through the fiscal year. Once the governor approves a budget at the State level, typically we are into the FY three or four months before we even know what the local allocation is for the year.  We get the respective figure, then deduct 90 or 120 days’ worth of expenditures from that number to get a balance for the remainder of the FY. The ten years I was a bean counter balancing the “maintenance “checkbook register for $35/40M per year (one of the smallest districts in the State), the work year looked bleak, basically a bare-bones way of operating. Lots of pot-holes to keep up with because there is no money available for “maintenance” level paving operations. The bleak picture also included loss of dollars for positions on the payroll. Crews are routinely working while understaffed. Still provide the level of service to the public, but with few boots on the ground. I spent a great deal of time tracking traffic crash damage to highway assets so I could bill the RP for reimbursement for our cost of labor, equipment usage and materials to repair the road to its pre-damaged condition. Not to mention years of no cost of living pay increases to adjust salaries. The last three years I worked (now retired) we were handed a 10% pay cut due to lack of funds. That wasn’t good enough, so the Gov tacked on another 5% for another year. 15% pay cut on top of salaries that had not been adjusted for cost of living in several years. If they were adjusted in recent times it was 1 or 2% every four or five years. Bottom line, its not a matter of not handling what we have, but doing the best we can with the funds allocated to do every aspect of the job. Including buying the paint to stripe the thousands of miles of highway delineation that must be painted at least once each year. I tracked expenditures and projected expenditures on a monthly basis. The report went to Sacramento to the HQ bean counters. If you wound up “over spending” your allocation before the FY end, heads will roll.  
  
Construction work is a little different. Construction projects are planned and prioritized and budgeted for ten years in advance of when you see contracts out to bid and breaking ground. Low bid gets the job. The bid is what it is. With prevailing wage and all the environmental strings attached, and traffic handling measures to keep traffic moving while the road is under construction, the cost of doing business goes up with each passing year. The gas tax that pays salaries and maintenance work/projects - and new construction projects, does not change much year to year. Vehicles get more economical to operate equates to a fewer tax dollars coming in, all the while the cost of doing business, maintenance or construction - continues to go up. A vicious cycle. Not unlike your home operating budget. Can’t say what goes on in other states, but in California there is not enough money at hand to do what needs to be done, let alone for anybody to waste.

Its all about the money. As with any other business, money talks and bullshit walks.

Been there, done that.          

[Rams]

I'll go along with the mileage tax but, I damn sure want all those bicyclist off the roads they don't pay taxes on.  

Didn't see this mentioned but, if they want to do this, tax vehicle by not just miles but by weight also.

[..]

I'll go along with the mileage tax but, I damn sure want all those bicyclist off the roads they don't pay taxes on.  

Didn't see this mentioned but, if they want to do this, tax vehicle by not just miles but by weight also.

Number of wheels, time of day used, speed driven, length of trip, urban, suburban, rural, it could go on and on and on.

[..]

One section of the Beltway near Washington DC has a toll charge of $42 during rush hour and heaviest traffic.

This article from 5 years ago illustrates how toll charges can increase and increase and increase

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/i-495-express-lanes_n_2157961.html

[98valk]

how are they going to tax these guys?

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/666861/Flying-sports-car-Sampson-Motors-Switchblade-traffic-travel-news-2018

[MP]

Truckers now have this. Tracked every moment of every day.

[hubcapsc]

Truckers now have this. Tracked every moment of every day.

I think we are all tracked all day long by our cell phones... all our emails are
scanned by at least one virus/spam checker somewhere... I guess most of
us who use Facebook have already posted a picture of what we had for
breakfast on the Internet  ...

-Mike

[Westernbiker]

I have never been to California but from a very young age I always thought it would be a great place to live. The weather, the ocean, the mountains, and most of all the car culture. It seems as the years have progressed the shine has sort of worn off and might only only be a place for me to visit one day. For all it’s positives it’s sad to see residents feeling the need to relocate to a different state. Best part for Americans is that we have an abundance of great locations to live with their own unique attractions.

Just remember, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing here in Arizona!  You don't want to live here trust me. Anywhere else is better than Arizona. Please DO NOT move here, there is nothing for you here Just flat, dusty, hot, miserable, camel climate, UG,    it is terrible here, anywhere else is much much better! Yeah, you would be better off anywhere else. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I have never been to California but from a very young age I always thought it would be a great place to live. The weather, the ocean, the mountains, and most of all the car culture. It seems as the years have progressed the shine has sort of worn off and might only only be a place for me to visit one day. For all it’s positives it’s sad to see residents feeling the need to relocate to a different state. Best part for Americans is that we have an abundance of great locations to live with their own unique attractions.

Just remember, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing here in Arizona!  You don't want to live here trust me. Anywhere else is better than Arizona. Please DO NOT move here, there is nothing for you here Just flat, dusty, hot, miserable, camel climate, UG,    it is terrible here, anywhere else is much much better! Yeah, you would be better off anywhere else. 

You forgot to tell him about all the snakes and scorpions also. 

[old2soon]

Ya dasn't wanna move to Missouri either. Open carry IS legal here as is CCW and you still see the Stars and Bars on people houses and cars and pickemups. And here in Willow Springs we have more Churches Than Doctors Lawyers and Dentist offices combined. AND It's like 33 degrees outside right now. Nah-you don't wanna live here!  RIDE SAFE.

[98valk]

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[0leman]

Given the number of older vehicles, including our Valk's, that have no way to track the miles, who would pay to have these vehicles retrofitted?   

Oregon DMV asked for volunteers to test out the miles tax.  That was over a year ago.  Haven't heard what they found or it the got enough folks to sign up.

As far as LEO's tracking our speed, that would take a supercomputer to track all the cars/trucks/bikes on the road at one time..   Probably not going to happen.

When I was a kid back the early '60's, the turnpikes in Oklahoma would register the time you got your ticket and the time you left the pike.  If your time was too short you would get a ticket.  Never got one, but did know a few that did.

[Patrick]

I'm wondering how they separate the milage between states [ or out of state] or if they think they can tax it all. NYS has been thinking about doing this also, so, if another state actually does it, we won't be far behind.