The Memo

[Alberta Patriot]

This is a live feed, so move the progress bar back to the beginning of the announcement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VPQaTPT55E
This is good for about the next hour or so.

[Serk]

The actual memo, straight from the horse's mouth (Site might be a bit sluggish for a while for some reason )

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180129/106822/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

I was hoping to just cut and paste the text here, but they released it as an image based PDF instead of a text one...

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

Another site to see it, since the federal one has a bit o' traffic right now.

https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embed

[Serk]

I'm so old I remember when The Onion was parody... 



https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm so old I remember when The Onion was parody... 



https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

[Serk]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

[Gavin_Sons]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

How is Nunes a liar? What did he lie about? Am i missing something? 

[MAD6Gun]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

 Damn  you never stop do you. You got Trump Derangement Syndrome so bad you can't see straight. I nor anyone I know whom voted for Trump got a phone call or email from the Russians demanding us to vote for Trump. So unless the Russians somehow changed votes how in the hell did the Russians influence the election. Was is because someone released damning information on Clinton. I don't need anyone to tell me Clinton is as crooked as a dogs hind leg,I already knew that. The FBI has been investigating Trump for over a year and have not found one stitch of evidence of Russian collusion. Even if they do. So what collusion is not a crime. Oh, do you have proof that Nunes lied? PROVE IT.....

[Jess from VA]

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive.     (Walter Scott)

So all of this originates from the Clinton campaign.  Not that the fault or misconduct stops there.

And isn't the evidence of her misdeeds in clear multiple security violations in running her own private server, then destroying evidence of it's existence and it's use, making false official statements about it,  causing the State Dept to obstruct its investigation, and sale of access to the State Dept (she headed) for cash to her foundation, and abuse of that foundation for personal gain, and sale of uranium to Russia, all much clearer and provable?  

And all without any need to hire someone to manufacture false evidence to prove?

And let's be clear, there may well be INDIVIDUALS in FBI, DOJ, and other places that deserve focus of criminal investigation.  This certainly does not bode well for their bureaucratic reputations,  but this certainly does not mean those agencies or rank and file career employees are entirely corrupt.  That is lazy thinking.

[Serk]

Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril.

Ah, so it's to be ad hominem as the main defense? I was wondering what the main talking point would be...

[hubcapsc]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

 Damn  you never stop do you. You got Trump Derangement Syndrome so bad you can't see straight. I nor anyone I know whom voted for Trump got a phone call or email from the Russians demanding us to vote for Trump. So unless the Russians somehow changed votes how in the hell did the Russians influence the election. Was is because someone released damning information on Clinton. I don't need anyone to tell me Clinton is as crooked as a dogs hind leg,I already knew that. The FBI has been investigating Trump for over a year and have not found one stitch of evidence of Russian collusion. Even if they do. So what collusion is not a crime. Oh, do you have proof that Nunes lied? PROVE IT.....

I think this kind of stuff might make him a liar to some people, maybe there's
something else?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devin_Nunes#Climate_change_denial_and_water_shortage

-Mike

[Alberta Patriot]

Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril.

Ah, so it's to be ad hominem as the main defense? I was wondering what the main talking point would be...

Ad Hominum is the modus operandi of the "cornered" left. Name calling...the first and last strategy when you are completely out of actual talking points.  
Racist, Misogynist, Liar, Alt Right, Nazi, Homophobe....

Pathetic is the only word needed as a comeback.

[Bighead]

Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril.

Ah, so it's to be ad hominem as the main defense? I was wondering what the main talking point would be...

Ad Hominum is the modus operandi of the "cornered" left. Name calling...the first and last stragedy when you are completely out of actual talking points.  
Racist, Misogynist, Liar, Alt Right, Nazi, Homophobe....
Pathetic is the only word needed as a comeback.

Dont forget the ever popular Biggot or deplorable

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

Once again, it starts at the Clinton campaign. It's painfully obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head lodged in their posterior that Hillary was assured the presidency. It was PROVEN that the DNC railroaded Sanders from having a shot, at the hands of Hillary and dirty Debbie. That's a fact that even democrats agree with. Right in the memo, it states that an FBI agent had set up a meeting with the deputy director to discuss an "insurance" policy that Trump would not be elected. These were the text messages that the FBI conveniently lost recently. It's no wonder the democrats all voted not to release it, and that the FBI and DOJ are against it as well. They're all implicated. It is time for heads to roll, and Trump's is not one of them.

[Bighead]

The man IS doing what he said he would do....

[Robert]

A good day for the US of A for a change  Thank You Trump, Nunes and a host of congress that wanted the truth to come out. Its getting pretty hard for the left to continue a non existent narrative on Trump and the Russians.  Plus we see more and more the truth does not matter to them, showing their true colors. I cannot imagine the Horror if Hillary had gotten in we would have never had these revelations and in fact things would have been much worse. We were on the brink of destruction and it was only by divine help that we have escaped for a time.

[dinosnake]

Once again, it starts at the Clinton campaign. It's painfully obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head lodged in their posterior that Hillary was assured the presidency. It was PROVEN that the DNC railroaded Sanders from having a shot, at the hands of Hillary and dirty Debbie. That's a fact that even democrats agree with. Right in the memo, it states that an FBI agent had set up a meeting with the deputy director to discuss an "insurance" policy that Trump would not be elected. These were the text messages that the FBI conveniently lost recently. It's no wonder the democrats all voted not to release it, and that the FBI and DOJ are against it as well. They're all implicated. It is time for heads to roll, and Trump's is not one of them.

Let's try for the more details:

Steele delivered his report as a series of two- or three-page memos, starting in June 2016 and continuing through December. He continued his investigation even after the Democratic client stopped paying for it following Trump's election. After the election, Fusion GPS co-owner Simpson "reportedly spent his own money to continue the investigation".

On his own initiative, Steele decided to also pass the information to British and American intelligence services because he believed the findings were a matter of national security for both countries.

According to the testimony of Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson, Steele approached the FBI because he was concerned that the then candidate, Donald Trump, was being blackmailed by Russia.  However, he became frustrated with the FBI, which he believed was failing to investigate his reports, choosing instead to focus on the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails.

According to The Independent, Steele came to believe that there was a "cabal" inside the FBI, particularly its New York field office linked to Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani, which blocked any attempts to investigate the links between Trump and Russia. In October 2016, Steele had compiled 33 pages (16 memos) and passed on what he discovered so far to a reporter from Mother Jones magazine.

In a court filing in April 2017, Steele revealed previously unreported information that in December 2016, shortly after the presidential election, he gave a copy of the 16 memos to "the senior British national security official and sent an encrypted version to Fusion GPS with instructions to deliver a hard copy to Senator John McCain (R-AZ). McCain, who had been informed about the alleged links between Kremlin and Trump, met with former British ambassador to Moscow Sir Andrew Wood. Wood confirmed the existence of the dossier and vouched for Steele's "professionalism and integrity". McCain obtained the dossier from David J. Kramer and took it directly to FBI director James Comey on December 9, 2016. Comey has confirmed that counter-intelligence investigations are under way into possible links between Trump associates and Moscow, and CNN has reported that the FBI used the dossier to bolster its investigations."

- source: Wikipedia

"The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok."

- source: released Nunes memo

So Steele only gave his dossier to the FBI in late July...almost exactly the same time that the FBI was opening an investigation into Papadopoulos anyway, because of his big mouth, drunk, Russia-Clinton email leak.

So, from what I can see,the Steele dossier only added fuel to the fire, a fire started by Trump's own man, which is why Papadopoulos has charges against him and why he is cooperating with authorities (now, of course.  Who knew?  [/s]).

This, along with other things that we don't even yet know about, is why everyone else except pro-Trump supporters are in an outrage: Fox News' conspiracy theories seem to go "POP!" in real life.  Yes, things did happen but it is the TIME that they happened that is also important.  The Steele dossier wasn't the reason that the FBI opened an investigation, Popadopoulos was - but Nunes conveniently tries to downplay that, aiming for more argumentative interpretations of the events.

[fudgie]

I'm so old I remember when The Onion was parody... 



https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

And I remember when the British were our enemies. 

[Savago]

[Moonshot_1]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

I continue to attempt to wrap my head around this Trump/Russia collusion thing and perfectly willing to accept a rational explanation.

We are expected to believe that Trump and Russia colluded to fix the election by insuring that Hillary Clinton received more of the popular vote and we are also told that there was no voter fraud in this election worth worrying about.

So I am still waiting for a rational explanation for how this all worked out for Trump.
Did Russia corrupt the Electoral College? How?
That is pretty much the only way Russia could have manipulated the outcome as even the Democrats say Hillary got more of the "popular" vote and that there was no voter fraud in the election of any consequence.

So again, how did this supposedly play out to achieve the outcome of Trump winning with Russian help?

[Robert]

Lest everyone forget the FISA court was asked twice for the warrant the first time they denied it the second time it was granted because of the dossier. Also the FISA court is not supposed to be for US citizens especially ones that are in a presidential race.

The House Intelligence Committee has released its controversial memo outlining alleged abuses of secret surveillance by the FBI and Justice Department in the Trump-Russia investigation. Here are some key points:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The four FISA surveillance applications were signed by, in various combinations, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Sally Yates, Dana Boente, and Rod Rosenstein.

* The FBI authorized payments to Steele for work on the dossier. The FBI terminated its agreement with Steele in late October when it learned, by reading an article in Mother Jones, that Steele was talking to the media.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

 DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

 FBI Knew Dems/Hillary Behind Dossier, Didn’t Tell Court In Getting Warrants, Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Yates, Boente All Implicated

[Serk]

I've obtained a leaked copy of the Rep. Adam Schiff rebuttal memo...

[rocketray]

so who financed the war against the Colonies??? The same guys that own THE FED and the IMF and everything else..

[Savago]

@Serk: mine looks more legit!
 

[RP#62]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

I continue to attempt to wrap my head around this Trump/Russia collusion thing and perfectly willing to accept a rational explanation.

We are expected to believe that Trump and Russia colluded to fix the election by insuring that Hillary Clinton received more of the popular vote and we are also told that there was no voter fraud in this election worth worrying about.

So I am still waiting for a rational explanation for how this all worked out for Trump.
Did Russia corrupt the Electoral College? How?
That is pretty much the only way Russia could have manipulated the outcome as even the Democrats say Hillary got more of the "popular" vote and that there was no voter fraud in the election of any consequence.

So again, how did this supposedly play out to achieve the outcome of Trump winning with Russian help?

You're wasting your time.  Russia is all they got.  If the Russia thing falls apart, they may have to admit their side didn't win because their candidate sucked worse than the other candidate.  They will never let go of Russia

-RP

[Oss]

who cares if a candidate met with any country's foreign leaders, ambassadors, or any citizen of the world?

Both Clinton's have and will continue to meet with representative official and non official of russia as well as nefarious criminals and nobody says boo

It is only news because their agenda is to deflect and demonize

Old weapons drug out of their ass to keep their schemes from being exposed     

And last I knew Russians and Chinese dont vote in our elections  but dead people in Chicago do, illegals probably do and they dont vote Republican

[Bighead]

who cares if a candidate met with any country's foreign leaders, ambassadors, or any citizen of the world?

Both Clinton's have and will continue to meet with representative official and non official of russia as well as nefarious criminals and nobody says boo

It is only news because their agenda is to deflect and demonize

Old weapons drug out of their ass to keep their schemes from being exposed     

And last I knew Russians and Chinese dont vote in our elections  but dead people in Chicago do, illegals probably do and they dont vote Republican

Well said OSS but though true you are the ONLY dem. That will admit it ....welcome to the dark side

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

How is Nunes a liar? What did he lie about? Am i missing something? 

Evidently

[Alberta Patriot]

Is this just the first shot across the bow of the Deep State Bad Actors?
Are there any indictments in the works to scrub the decks of Obama/Clinton holdovers.
Seems to me that to run a clean ship you need to irradicate the flea infested rats that will keep reinfecting it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

I continue to attempt to wrap my head around this Trump/Russia collusion thing and perfectly willing to accept a rational explanation.

We are expected to believe that Trump and Russia colluded to fix the election by insuring that Hillary Clinton received more of the popular vote and we are also told that there was no voter fraud in this election worth worrying about.

So I am still waiting for a rational explanation for how this all worked out for Trump.
Did Russia corrupt the Electoral College? How?
That is pretty much the only way Russia could have manipulated the outcome as even the Democrats say Hillary got more of the "popular" vote and that there was no voter fraud in the election of any consequence.

So again, how did this supposedly play out to achieve the outcome of Trump winning with Russian help?

As I understand it, the Russians goal wasn't so much to get Trump elected but to sow dissension and discord in our democratic process. I have no idea if Trumps people colluded with them. But there is more than enough evidence to investigate it. Also, that is but one aspect of the investigation. There is also the case of Trump and his people attempting to obstruct justice. There is plenty there to investigate also.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

I continue to attempt to wrap my head around this Trump/Russia collusion thing and perfectly willing to accept a rational explanation.

We are expected to believe that Trump and Russia colluded to fix the election by insuring that Hillary Clinton received more of the popular vote and we are also told that there was no voter fraud in this election worth worrying about.

So I am still waiting for a rational explanation for how this all worked out for Trump.
Did Russia corrupt the Electoral College? How?
That is pretty much the only way Russia could have manipulated the outcome as even the Democrats say Hillary got more of the "popular" vote and that there was no voter fraud in the election of any consequence.

So again, how did this supposedly play out to achieve the outcome of Trump winning with Russian help?

You're wasting your time.  Russia is all they got.  If the Russia thing falls apart, they may have to admit their side didn't win because their candidate sucked worse than the other candidate.  They will never let go of Russia

-RP

I have said long ago that Clinton lost the election due to her own arrogance, misdeeds, ineptness. You get no argument from me on that. This isn't about relitigating the election. It's about figuring out how the Russians did what they did and stopping it from happening in the future.

[Bighead]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

[Bighead]

As was said above no Russians called text or emailed me to place my vote the way I DID so again tell me how they influecened anything? You cant because they didnt....

[Alberta Patriot]

I’m so old I remember when conservatives considered the Russians the Evil Empire. Now they consider our own FBI evil and Russians helpful partners in defeating Democrats. Strange times indeed.

-The Russians weren't the Evil Empire, the Soviets were.
--There is no longer a Soviet Union.
-My vote was not cast because of any alleged actions of Russia.
-When a federal agency allows itself to be weaponized and used for political means, that's okay?
-The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.

Twist it how you wish. Hitch your wagons to the confirmed liar Nunes at your peril. If Trumps staff had secret contacts with the Russians and lied about it they should investigated. Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

I continue to attempt to wrap my head around this Trump/Russia collusion thing and perfectly willing to accept a rational explanation.

We are expected to believe that Trump and Russia colluded to fix the election by insuring that Hillary Clinton received more of the popular vote and we are also told that there was no voter fraud in this election worth worrying about.

So I am still waiting for a rational explanation for how this all worked out for Trump.
Did Russia corrupt the Electoral College? How?
That is pretty much the only way Russia could have manipulated the outcome as even the Democrats say Hillary got more of the "popular" vote and that there was no voter fraud in the election of any consequence.

So again, how did this supposedly play out to achieve the outcome of Trump winning with Russian help?

As I understand it, the Russians goal wasn't so much to get Trump elected but to sow dissension and discord in our democratic process. I have no idea if Trumps people colluded with them. But there is more than enough evidence to investigate it. Also, that is but one aspect of the investigation. There is also the case of Trump and his people attempting to obstruct justice. There is plenty there to investigate also.

If there is more than enough evidence....where is it? The hunt has been on for more than a year...NADA
The only seeds of dissension evident to this point have been sown by a Phony Dossier paid for by Hillary AND the DNC, Brokered by Fusion GPS, Manufactured by Christopher Steele all in COLLUSION WITH RUSSIANS. And then presented to the FISA Court as a second attempt(successful)at spying on a political opponent during an election. This Is a Banana Republic Level of Bad Actors...how does it get any more criminal than that? ? ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

[Bighead]

 

[Alberta Patriot]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

A Little Tough to Fight The System With a Gun Pointed at Your Head. Just be happy you were never sat down with the possibility of decades of prison hanging over your head for not capitulating to a lighter sentence than the one they were threatening. Like I said...Banana Republic!!

[Bighead]

Pretty sad that 7thson a Canadien sees it more clearly that you ... but I like it

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

A Little Tough to Fight The System With a Gun Pointed at Your Head. Just be happy you were never sat down with the possibility of decades of prison hanging over your head for not capitulating to a lighter sentence than the one they were threatening. Like I said...Banana Republic!!

Dude, I would never plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit. I doubt many would. These are educated people, not some dumb asses that didn't know better or couldn't afford good legal defense.