The Memo

[Alberta Patriot]

Pretty sad that 7thson a Canadien sees it more clearly that you ... but I like it

Well, I just hate to see someone with no real clue of what is actually going on trying to gloss over the serious reality of it all. A good look at Venezuela's fall in such a short time should be warning enough to keep your guard up.

[Gavin_Sons]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

A Little Tough to Fight The System With a Gun Pointed at Your Head. Just be happy you were never sat down with the possibility of decades of prison hanging over your head for not capitulating to a lighter sentence than the one they were threatening. Like I said...Banana Republic!!

Dude, I would never plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit. I doubt many would. These are educated people, not some dumb asses that didn't know better or couldn't afford good legal defense.

I bet you would if the choices were plead guilty to this or die. You would cave like a little school girl.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

A Little Tough to Fight The System With a Gun Pointed at Your Head. Just be happy you were never sat down with the possibility of decades of prison hanging over your head for not capitulating to a lighter sentence than the one they were threatening. Like I said...Banana Republic!!

Dude, I would never plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit. I doubt many would. These are educated people, not some dumb asses that didn't know better or couldn't afford good legal defense.

I bet you would if the choices were plead guilty to this or die. You would cave like a little school girl.

Obviously you don't know me, and likely never will. I would rather take the chance at being executed, long prison sentence, etc. before I would ever plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit.

[Gavin_Sons]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

A Little Tough to Fight The System With a Gun Pointed at Your Head. Just be happy you were never sat down with the possibility of decades of prison hanging over your head for not capitulating to a lighter sentence than the one they were threatening. Like I said...Banana Republic!!

Dude, I would never plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit. I doubt many would. These are educated people, not some dumb asses that didn't know better or couldn't afford good legal defense.

I bet you would if the choices were plead guilty to this or die. You would cave like a little school girl.

Obviously you don't know me, and likely never will. I would rather take the chance at being executed, long prison sentence, etc. before I would ever plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit.

There are not many people strong enough for that. Even the most trained will eventually break.

[f6john]

We all keep pointing fingers but where are the facts? I truly believe that somethings rotten at the upper levels of our government. I know the memo is out now and will be poo-pooed all over the place, but people’s feet need to be held to to the fire and get to the bottom of this and let the chips fall where they may.

The DNC just released a comment to the memo, and their last comment was, “No one is above the law”. I almost choked on my salad.

[Gavin_Sons]

We all keep pointing fingers but where are the facts? I truly believe that somethings rotten at the upper levels of our government. I know the memo is out now and will be poo-pooed all over the place, but people’s feet need to be held to to the fire and get to the bottom of this and let the chips fall where they may.

The DNC just released a comment to the memo, and their last comment was, “No one is above the law”. I almost choked on my salad.

No one except those they deem necessary. 

[Serk]

This is copypasta theoretically written by someone named Jeff Cook, but it seems to pretty accurately sum things up IMHO:

If you put all the pieces together here’s what you get:

The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hillary can win the nomination. The Obama administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him, beginning with Carter Page.

Donna Brazil gives Hillary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women’s parts.

After all this, Trump still wins the General Election.

Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media.

Obama holdovers start unmasking Trump’s transition team and staff members over so-called “collusion” that didn’t exist, then released the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump’s campaign efforts to get him elected president.

All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration’s FBI and DOJ, the intelligence community, the DNC, Hillary’s Campaign, along with the mainstream media used our nation’s surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play.

Let that sink in…

[f6gal]

I doubt many would.

Plea deals happen every day... ppl plead guilty to crimes they didn't commit every day. 

[Gavin_Sons]

This is copypasta theoretically written by someone named Jeff Cook, but it seems to pretty accurately sum things up IMHO:

If you put all the pieces together here’s what you get:

The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hillary can win the nomination. The Obama administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him, beginning with Carter Page.

Donna Brazil gives Hillary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women’s parts.

After all this, Trump still wins the General Election.

Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media.

Obama holdovers start unmasking Trump’s transition team and staff members over so-called “collusion” that didn’t exist, then released the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump’s campaign efforts to get him elected president.

All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration’s FBI and DOJ, the intelligence community, the DNC, Hillary’s Campaign, along with the mainstream media used our nation’s surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play.

Let that sink in…

  papadopapolus and flynn were only guilty because they lied to the FBI. If they had said yes we have talked to a few Russians,  it would have been investigated and forgotten about. Best thing to do now is to tell Mueller to go pound sand in a dark corner.

[Jess from VA]

Thanks for that Serk.  There may be some additional pieces missing or slightly crooked, but that fits the facts and the timeline pretty well.

I don't always agree with Dershowitz, but his reasoning here seems logical.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/02/alan-dershowitz-nunes-fisa-memo-deserves-more-investigation-time-for-nonpartisan-commission.html

[baldo]

Dude, I would never plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit. I doubt many would. These are educated people, not some dumb asses that didn't know better or couldn't afford good legal defense.

Rob, you're wasting your time and keystrokes. Not worth it, not at all.

[Moonshot_1]

"After all this, Trump still wins the General Election."

And does it for less than half of what Clinton spent.

[Bighead]

 

[Alberta Patriot]

According to "my sources"      ...this memo is just the tip of the "grind the deepstate to pulp" iceberg.
Stay Tuned...Devon Nunes and company are just getting started...bad news for the "head in sand Ostriches here"  

[The emperor has no clothes]

I doubt many would.

Plea deals happen every day... ppl plead guilty to crimes they didn't commit every day. 

Plea deals do happen every day. Probably 99% of them are to a lower crime than they committed. If I committed murder but took a plea deal to manslaughter, technically you would be correct. I plead to a crime that I didn't commit. If I committed no crime, there is no way in hell I'm taking a deal for something I didn't do.

[Serk]

I doubt many would.

Plea deals happen every day... ppl plead guilty to crimes they didn't commit every day. 

Plea deals do happen every day. Probably 99% of them are to a lower crime than they committed. If I committed murder but took a plea deal to manslaughter, technically you would be correct. I plead to a crime that I didn't commit. If I committed no crime, there is no way in hell I'm taking a deal for something I didn't do.

The average American commits 3 felonies a day. (Source - https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229 ) If the full power of the federal government were monitoring your entire life and had months of ridiculous felonies they were threatening to charge you with, it's amazing what they can get someone to plea down to.

[Serk]

Wow... I keep wondering where the absolute moon bat craziness is coming from, and then I see an example of exactly where it's coming from...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWRyLIrevSo

Wow... just... wow... Trump Derangement Syndrome is very much a real thing.

He's right on one point at least, there DOES need to be people in the streets, but not how they want it to be.

[Bighead]

 

[Alpha Dog]

According to "my sources"      ...this memo is just the tip of the "grind the deepstate to pulp" iceberg.
Stay Tuned...Devon Nunes and company are just getting started...bad news for the "head in sand Ostriches here"  

You are correct my Canadian Friend.  Just the tip, maybe 10 percent.   And things will move much faster now.  That is why the rats are squealing and their squeals will get louder as the light is shown.  Serk's synopsis is accurate,  but of course it is much more elaborate and detailed.  If one wants to know all details best place would be the great investigative work of Sarah Carter.  I have heard her since she first broke news that has led us to now, back on March 6, 2017.  There are whistle blowers on the floors lower than the 7th floor, where the rats were holed up that are ready to come forward as they hate what the head conspirators have done to their beloved FBI and also DOJ.  The Inspector General has been instrumental in this also although they have no authority to prosecute I believe.  No doubt a special consul will be soon called in.  Just make sure this one is not a swamp monster.

[..]

Let's not forget that the dem/lib/progs wanted us to believe that Trump never wanted to become President.

Yet he colluded with the Ruskies to make sure he did become President.

[Bighead]

Let's not forget that the dem/lib/progs said he never would be President

Whay happened to all the stars and talking heads that said they would leave if he did become POTUS?
More chest thumping I guess..

[MP]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

And neither plea had anything to do with colluding with the Russians.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

And neither plea had anything to do with colluding with the Russians.

lying to the FBI about meeting with the Russians has something to the possible collusion.

[Robert]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

And neither plea had anything to do with colluding with the Russians.

lying to the FBI about meeting with the Russians has something to the possible collusion.

If there was collusion they would have prosecuted him for that also and they could not, after their investigation of him   

[MP]

Meathead you are grasping at straws.....you are in a delusional state.

Papadopolous has pled guilt. Michael Flynn has pled guilt. Hardly straws. Facts.

And neither plea had anything to do with colluding with the Russians.

lying to the FBI about meeting with the Russians has something to the possible collusion.

Sorry, no. Flynn lied about talking to the Russian ambassador about what the administration would be doing.
This contact was AFTER the election, and EVERY transition team for new presidents have contacts like this. It was NOT a crime to talk to him.
So, how could a conversation AFTER the election, possibly be collusion BEFORE the election? Unless he had a time machine, impossible.

[Oss]

pretty sure that was a reference to one of the "suicides" of either a secret service agent who was on her detail or one of the many "suicides by multiple gunshot wounds to the head"

Yeah it was over the top, but not IMHO off the target

and I defy anyone to show me a constitutional statute that forbids speaking with foreign govmt or officials or private citizens before or after the election.  We all know the Clinton money trail is proven What we now also know is that our intelligence apparatus is politicized.  

Should scare all of us if we think about it at all as before it was the CIA following big industry (as Eisenhower warned)  and the military industrial complex   Now its the domestic agencies as well

Hoover started FBI down the path (looking for commies and blackmail material) and it is now out of control.  It is sick and it will get worse not better as G has more and more resources at its disposal and less and less accountability

I wish they paid more attention to protecting our businesses and industrial secrets and our financial markets and electrical grid from foreign and domestic hacking

[baldo]

pretty sure that was a reference to one of the "suicides" of either a secret service agent who was on her detail or one of the many "suicides by multiple gunshot wounds to the head"

Yeah it was over the top, but not IMHO off the target

and I defy anyone to show me a constitutional statute that forbids speaking with foreign govmt or officials or private citizens before or after the election.  We all know the Clinton money trail is proven What we now also know is that our intelligence apparatus is politicized.  

Should scare all of us if we think about it at all as before it was the CIA following big industry (as Eisenhower warned)  and the military industrial complex   Now its the domestic agencies as well

Hoover started FBI down the path (looking for commies and blackmail material) and it is now out of control.  It is sick and it will get worse not better as G has more and more resources at its disposal and less and less accountability

Yes, I knew that was the reference.....just fits in with his usual shoot first, don't bother asking questions later MO.

[fudgie]

who cares if a candidate met with any country's foreign leaders, ambassadors, or any citizen of the world?

Both Clinton's have and will continue to meet with representative official and non official of russia as well as nefarious criminals and nobody says boo

It is only news because their agenda is to deflect and demonize

Old weapons drug out of their ass to keep their schemes from being exposed     

And last I knew Russians and Chinese dont vote in our elections  but dead people in Chicago do, illegals probably do and they dont vote Republican

Thats what I don't understand either oss. Makes no difference to me if either of them did. Ive met some Russians before. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

pretty sure that was a reference to one of the "suicides" of either a secret service agent who was on her detail or one of the many "suicides by multiple gunshot wounds to the head"

Yeah it was over the top, but not IMHO off the target

and I defy anyone to show me a constitutional statute that forbids speaking with foreign govmt or officials or private citizens before or after the election.  We all know the Clinton money trail is proven What we now also know is that our intelligence apparatus is politicized.  

Should scare all of us if we think about it at all as before it was the CIA following big industry (as Eisenhower warned)  and the military industrial complex   Now its the domestic agencies as well

Hoover started FBI down the path (looking for commies and blackmail material) and it is now out of control.  It is sick and it will get worse not better as G has more and more resources at its disposal and less and less accountability

I wish they paid more attention to protecting our businesses and industrial secrets and our financial markets and electrical grid from foreign and domestic hacking

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

[Robert]

pretty sure that was a reference to one of the "suicides" of either a secret service agent who was on her detail or one of the many "suicides by multiple gunshot wounds to the head"

Yeah it was over the top, but not IMHO off the target

and I defy anyone to show me a constitutional statute that forbids speaking with foreign govmt or officials or private citizens before or after the election.  We all know the Clinton money trail is proven What we now also know is that our intelligence apparatus is politicized. 

Should scare all of us if we think about it at all as before it was the CIA following big industry (as Eisenhower warned)  and the military industrial complex   Now its the domestic agencies as well

Hoover started FBI down the path (looking for commies and blackmail material) and it is now out of control.  It is sick and it will get worse not better as G has more and more resources at its disposal and less and less accountability

I wish they paid more attention to protecting our businesses and industrial secrets and our financial markets and electrical grid from foreign and domestic hacking

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

NO evidence against him and not prosecuted but there is solid evidence for this act on another member since your feeling righteous and doubtful you will have an honest answer, since being hypocritical is a left trait.

John Kerry asked Agha to convey a message to Abbas and ask him to “hold on and be strong.” Tell him, he told Agha, “that he should stay strong in his spirit and play for time, that he will not break and will not yield to President Trump’s demands.” According to Kerry, Trump will not remain in office for a long time. It was reported that within a year there was a good chance that Trump would not be in the White House.

[Serk]

[Jess from VA]

I signed an Iranian girl into the Ankara O club once (against policy and orders).  And talked with her too.

She was the (beautiful) girlfriend of our friend Ziggy, a visa man at the German embassy, who had invited a group of us to the annual German Embassy Oktoberfest, about the best party in town.  He had signed us all in to his embassy, so it seemed only fair to sign them into our club.  Of course, I had no idea she was Iranian, until after the fact.  It never occurred to me to ask.  She was not a bomb throwing craziod or a spy, just a nice girl (who looked like any other Turkish girl).  I'm glad I never got asked about it, under oath or otherwise.  Course, I would have told the truth, and taken my punishment; if it ever came to that.  

We ran across Russian sailors in Izmir Turkey too (Black Sea fleet).  We did not hang with them, but a few words were passed, like polite salutations.  We knew who they were, they were in uniform (we were not).  Any contacts with Russians were to be reported, and we did not report this.  National security was not compromised.

Course if you ever have the opportunity to sit down and be questioned under oath by a federal investigator, I suggest you use all your your powers of concentration to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you.....    Or take the fifth.  

[Robert]

Course if you ever have the opportunity to sit down and be questioned under oath by a federal investigator, I suggest you use all your your powers of concentration to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you.....    Or take the fifth. 

The work of the FBI to investigate and then sit with a prosecutor and ask you questions that they already know the answers to. That is the charge if they cannot get you on other charges. Some inconsequential answers can get you into big trouble. Hillary was great at this answer routine I listened to her many times along with Lynch and Obama and the careful answers were amazing. That takes some real knowing the laws and regs on what to say. They even tailored their answers to the crowd they were talking to knowing who could do what and the level of accountability to their situation and answers. This dance is something a good prosecutor or interrogator does that is amazing to watch and listen to and very hard to maneuver if you are on the other side of it.   

[MP]

pretty sure that was a reference to one of the "suicides" of either a secret service agent who was on her detail or one of the many "suicides by multiple gunshot wounds to the head"

Yeah it was over the top, but not IMHO off the target

and I defy anyone to show me a constitutional statute that forbids speaking with foreign govmt or officials or private citizens before or after the election.  We all know the Clinton money trail is proven What we now also know is that our intelligence apparatus is politicized. 

Should scare all of us if we think about it at all as before it was the CIA following big industry (as Eisenhower warned)  and the military industrial complex   Now its the domestic agencies as well

Hoover started FBI down the path (looking for commies and blackmail material) and it is now out of control.  It is sick and it will get worse not better as G has more and more resources at its disposal and less and less accountability

I wish they paid more attention to protecting our businesses and industrial secrets and our financial markets and electrical grid from foreign and domestic hacking

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

NO evidence against him and not prosecuted but there is solid evidence for this act on another member since your feeling righteous and doubtful you will have an honest answer, since being hypocritical is a left trait.

John Kerry asked Agha to convey a message to Abbas and ask him to “hold on and be strong.” Tell him, he told Agha, “that he should stay strong in his spirit and play for time, that he will not break and will not yield to President Trump’s demands.” According to Kerry, Trump will not remain in office for a long time. It was reported that within a year there was a good chance that Trump would not be in the White House.

Logan act has NEVER been used. Not once in it's history.
Again, ALL incoming administrations start talking to other countries after election. ALL. And they need to. The idea that somehow trump can't, when all others did, is stupid.

[Jess from VA]

Robert, I'm well aware of the skills of talented investigators and prosecutors.  Among other things, I conducted 25 Article 32 pretrial investigations into felonies headed to General Courts Martial.  A UCMJ Article 32 investigation is like a one man grand jury.  You walk in there with some paperwork from the General Court martial convening authority and can summon anyone at that base into a chair, swear them in, and go to work.  (including Base and Wing commanders)

The accused were always present and represented by counsel, and they always had nothing to say.  Any witnesses (who were thought to be co actors or guilty of anything) had to be read their rights, and unless they took the fifth, they had to answer questions.  However, I did not have the luxury of always knowing what all witnesses would say, though many times I did have SP and OSI reports of investigation, and witness statements in front of me during questioning.

Even with my training and experience, I am very happy I have never had to be the guy in the chair answering questions under oath.

Of course, the one answer that is nearly impossible to ever charge as a false official statement or perjury, is .... I don't remember.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

pretty sure that was a reference to one of the "suicides" of either a secret service agent who was on her detail or one of the many "suicides by multiple gunshot wounds to the head"

Yeah it was over the top, but not IMHO off the target

and I defy anyone to show me a constitutional statute that forbids speaking with foreign govmt or officials or private citizens before or after the election.  We all know the Clinton money trail is proven What we now also know is that our intelligence apparatus is politicized. 

Should scare all of us if we think about it at all as before it was the CIA following big industry (as Eisenhower warned)  and the military industrial complex   Now its the domestic agencies as well

Hoover started FBI down the path (looking for commies and blackmail material) and it is now out of control.  It is sick and it will get worse not better as G has more and more resources at its disposal and less and less accountability

I wish they paid more attention to protecting our businesses and industrial secrets and our financial markets and electrical grid from foreign and domestic hacking

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

NO evidence against him and not prosecuted but there is solid evidence for this act on another member since your feeling righteous and doubtful you will have an honest answer, since being hypocritical is a left trait.

John Kerry asked Agha to convey a message to Abbas and ask him to “hold on and be strong.” Tell him, he told Agha, “that he should stay strong in his spirit and play for time, that he will not break and will not yield to President Trump’s demands.” According to Kerry, Trump will not remain in office for a long time. It was reported that within a year there was a good chance that Trump would not be in the White House.

Logan act has NEVER been used. Not once in it's history.
Again, ALL incoming administrations start talking to other countries after election. ALL. And they need to. The idea that somehow trump can't, when all others did, is stupid.

Talking with is one thing. Making deals is a completely different.

[Robert]

Even with my training and experience, I am very happy I have never had to be the guy in the chair answering questions under oath.

Of course, the one answer that is nearly impossible to ever charge as a false official statement or perjury, is .... I don't remember. 

I totally agree and it seems many in front of Senate hearings used that exact wording. Most have no idea how intense a process this really is.

[Oss]

Making me agree with Robert again ?

Logan Act as was said correctly is to prevent the kind of thing Kerry did.  The active subverting of national policy - giving aid and comfort to the enemy  The kind of thing that could lead to loss of life of our troops and citizens

So I ask myself WHO is protecting Kerry with what means and for what reason and aims? The same who protect the Clinton family I suspect.

The shades of gray get deeper whenever one decides in advance one person is guilty of all because of one side's word alone  When either side says I dont remember I always call BULLCRAP  Care to count how many times certain people say I dont remember

[Robert]

The wheels are grinding slowly but the momentum is there and it keeps going, ding ding all aboard the  prosecution train. Lets see who is next on the revelation hit list.

Devin Nunes (R-CA) said that the investigation leading up to the four-page FISA memo released on Friday was only "phase one," and that the House Intelligence Committee is currently in the middle of investigating the State Department over their involvement in surveillance abuses.

"We are in the middle of what I call phase two of our investigation, which involves other departments, specifically the State Department and some of the involvement that they had in this," said Nunes.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Making me agree with Robert again ?

Logan Act as was said correctly is to prevent the kind of thing Kerry did.  The active subverting of national policy - giving aid and comfort to the enemy  The kind of thing that could lead to loss of life of our troops and citizens

So I ask myself WHO is protecting Kerry with what means and for what reason and aims? The same who protect the Clinton family I suspect.

The shades of gray get deeper whenever one decides in advance one person is guilty of all because of one side's word alone  When either side says I dont remember I always call BULLCRAP  Care to count how many times certain people say I dont remember

I think Attorney General Sessions said 4.6 million times to the Senate Intelligence group.