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[Robert]

Trump Announces Brutal Changes to Gov’t Worker Pay
https://conservativetribune.com/trump-changes-govt-worker-pay/

The budget, which is set to be released Monday, contains some of the biggest reforms to the workforce in decades.

To put it simply, Trump’s plan seeks to “hire the best and fire the worst,” USA Today reported.

Senior officials with the Office of Management and Budget who spoke anonymously with The Washington Times said the plan aimed to put a stop to regular, tenure-and merit-based raises for more than 1.5 million federal workers and instead focus on performance-based raises.

In other words, federal employees will now have to work hard for their raises, and those who do not perform well could be fired.

The proposal would reportedly generate $10 billion over 10 years for performance-based payments.

[Jess from VA]

I spent a lot of years doing that.  It's a refreshing idea.

Civil servants in salary grades GS 1 to 15, at each level, get longevity pay raises, within grade (never being promoted, though many positions are limited in how high you can go), get healthy longevity pay raises for their first three years in that grade (3 years), then every two years three times (6 years), then every three years three times (9 years).  

These 9 within grade step increases (up from entry level pay) are commonly referred to as FOGIES.  As in old fogey.  At least what from I saw at VA (and it's probably representative), unless you were being fired or in serious trouble, you got that raise, on time every time if you came to work and were still breathing.

Now if you are serving in a position that is promotable (not all are), but aren't good enough to be promoted, how come you can get 9 healthy raises?  People serving in the Armed forces have similar longevity pay raises, except their up-or-out promotion rules are far more stringent.  

https://www.federalpay.org/gs/2017

Moreover, if you are (say) a GS 5 at a higher step level, if you get promoted to a 6, you may not be given a salary less than you were making at the 5 level, you must be slid into the step level as a 6 as high as it takes to get a raise from your current salary.  (not entirely unfair, otherwise why take a promotion?).

And the entire nation is rated for living expense, so there are really much higher pay grades across the board  in DC and San Francisco and other places, than middle America.  (not entirely unfair either)
https://www.federalpay.org/gs/locality

The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE)(the largest federal employee union representing 700,000 federal and D.C. government workers nationwide and overseas) (whether you're a member or not), and the long and tedious rules for termination (demotion or any other adverse action), make firing people difficult, so it isn't done much.  Since all civil servants serve a one year probationary period where they may be fired at will (without the obligatory 10lbs of paper for a termination later), that is the time that serious weeding out of the labor force should be done, and it is used, occasionally.

[Farside]

Trump Announces Brutal Changes to Gov’t Worker Pay
https://conservativetribune.com/trump-changes-govt-worker-pay/

The budget, which is set to be released Monday, contains some of the biggest reforms to the workforce in decades.

To put it simply, Trump’s plan seeks to “hire the best and fire the worst,” USA Today reported.

  Thanks for sharing Robert. I've been in a couple VA Hospital the last 10 yrs. This is a must, I've been very disappointed in what I've experienced by personnel, mostly support staff in management positions. I like what this administration is proposing.   Lets improve services!

[old2soon]

Far as V A Medical goes I have NUTTIN but KUDOS for my V A Clinic-West Plains Mo. Have NEVER been called in late to see a Nurse or the Doctor. Most times 5 or 6 minutes Before my actual appt time I get called in. Same with my V A Hospital-Poplar Bluff Mo. While it is about 106 miles to Poplar Bluff I've NEVER been late for my Appt and neither have they. Now if you talk with the Sand Box Vets and their Significant Others there Are Indeed horror stories of their lack of TIMELY treatment right here in the 2 places I frequent. I had occasion to go-along with my Brother-to the V A Hospital in North Chicago Il-near the Great Lakes Training Center. I was a drop in and while they were in Fact BUSY they DID get to me and took care of my needs. Far as addressing the Federal DEAD WOOD-I have a few choices but I fear my thoughts won't go very far in removing it-DEAD WOOD.  We have a female here in Missouri that talks outa both sides of her face and needs to be NOT reelected. RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

Dennis, lets remember that to work in the medical field (VA), you generally need some kind of medical training (admittedly, not the admin types).  The biggest problems with federal personnel are not in VA hospitals and clinics, though they no doubt have some deadwood too.  

It's more the giant bureaucracies in HHS, Agriculture, Education, State Dept, EPA, Commerce, Energy, Interior, HUD, Labor, Transportation, Treasury, Homeland Security..... and the big Spy on All Americans plan.  If these outfits start to fire all their deadwood, it's liable to look like they can do their job with less people and their budgets might get cut...... oh the Horror!!! 

[Serk]

I had a VERY negative view of the average government employee before I started working with a large federal three letter acronym bureaucracy.

That view has gotten SUBSTANTIALLY worse since I've started working with them on a daily basis.

I have to wonder if it's intentionally a welfare program to make sure otherwise unemployable people have high paying jobs or if the whole thing is just accidentally that incompetent.

Reminds me of the old Soviet tactic of hiring people to sit in a booth and cycle the traffic lights all day, just to make sure everyone had a job...

[solo1]

My .02

SI was employed at the Ft. Wayne VA hospital in 1955.(I received good training asXray tech at .Ft Sam)  I went from a GS2 (trainee to a GS5 in two years) I was the only one to get my Xray registry on the first try.  I saw many instances where employees , after three years, were almost impossible to fire. In fact, one story going around was that a woman who was a big mouth lazy arse kept getting promoted to get her out of the bosses hair, until she came back to be the bosses boss.  I was amazed at the benefits that I had after a year.  I quit when I found out that the janitor was making 16 cents more on the hour than I was, when I was chief supervisory Xray tech.  GS, national standards, WB's local standards.

Four years ago I talked to a VA rep on the phone and she said that I was giving her a headache.  She wouldn't transfer me to her boss or give me her name.  Today i'm treated with respect by all of the VA employees, big change.

[Farside]

Well I'm old but not as Old as some. I've never been a patient in a VA facility but I've worked with them. Care in a VA Should be "top notch" as expected. I've posted a link but may not be correct but that's ok cause I'm somewhat Old.  This is not about VA Clinics, but yes there are rankings for all Hospitals so care wether in a VA or other is measured in order to improve patient outcomes. I'm old but I don't think that anyone would argue that Improving results comes from the top down. 


va+hospital+rankings+2017+list&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[Jess from VA]

Have you heard about the four men who were bragging about how smart their dogs were?

One man was an engineer, the second man was an accountant, the third man was a chemist, and the fourth was a government worker.

To show off, the engineer called to his dog. "T-square, do your stuff." T-square trotted over to a desk, took out some paper and a pen, and promptly drew a circle, a square, and a triangle.

Everyone agreed that was pretty smart.

The accountant said his dog could do better. He called to his dog and said, "Spreadsheet, do your stuff." Spreadsheet went out into the kitchen and returned with a dozen cookies. He divided them into four equal piles of three cookies each.

Everyone agreed that was good.

The chemist said his dog could do better still. he called to his dog and said, "Measure, do your stuff." Measure got up, walked over to the fridge, took out a quart of milk, got a ten-ounce glass from the cupboard, and poured exactly eight ounces without spilling a drop.

Everyone agreed that was pretty impressive.

Then the three men turned to the government worker and said, "What can your dog do?"

The government worker called to his dog and said, "Coffee Break, do your stuff." Coffee Break jumped to his feet, ate the cookies, drank the milk, claimed he had injured his back while doing so, filed a grievance report for unsafe working conditions, put in for worker' compensation, and went home for the rest of the day on sick leave.

They all agreed that was brilliant!

___________________________________

Late one night a mugger wearing a ski mask jumped into the path of a well-dressed man and stuck a gun in his ribs. "Give me your money," he demanded.  Indignant, the affluent man replied, "You can’t do this – I’m a US Congressman!"  "In that case," replied the robber, "Give me MY money!"

________________________________________________

Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.
Friedrich Nietzsche

[headpeon]

Trump Announces Brutal Changes to Gov’t Worker Pay
https://conservativetribune.com/trump-changes-govt-worker-pay/

The budget, which is set to be released Monday, contains some of the biggest reforms to the workforce in decades.

To put it simply, Trump’s plan seeks to “hire the best and fire the worst,” USA Today reported.

Senior officials with the Office of Management and Budget who spoke anonymously with The Washington Times said the plan aimed to put a stop to regular, tenure-and merit-based raises for more than 1.5 million federal workers and instead focus on performance-based raises.

In other words, federal employees will now have to work hard for their raises, and those who do not perform well could be fired.

The proposal would reportedly generate $10 billion over 10 years for performance-based payments.

Yeah, but how can you trust him to do it? He's the biggest liar that ever occupied a space in Washington.

[Chrisj CMA]

Trump Announces Brutal Changes to Gov’t Worker Pay
https://conservativetribune.com/trump-changes-govt-worker-pay/

The budget, which is set to be released Monday, contains some of the biggest reforms to the workforce in decades.

To put it simply, Trump’s plan seeks to “hire the best and fire the worst,” USA Today reported.

Senior officials with the Office of Management and Budget who spoke anonymously with The Washington Times said the plan aimed to put a stop to regular, tenure-and merit-based raises for more than 1.5 million federal workers and instead focus on performance-based raises.

In other words, federal employees will now have to work hard for their raises, and those who do not perform well could be fired.

The proposal would reportedly generate $10 billion over 10 years for performance-based payments.

Yeah, but how can you trust him to do it? He's the biggest liar that ever occupied a space in Washington.

You have got to be kidding me.  After the endless lies of the preceding administration?  Trump has kept more promises in one year than Obama did in eight

[The emperor has no clothes]

It’s humorous how all you government workers and ex govt workers find it’s all the OTHER govt. workers are lazy and over paid. 

[solo1]

Yeah, but how can you trust him to do it? He's the biggest liar that ever occupied a space in Washington. QUOTE by headpeon

I held elected office in our city.  I learned one thing. Don't judge a person by what he says, judge him by what he DOES!

Trump is doing what he said he would.  I'd  rather trust a man who does than a man who tells lies.  I'll take Trump's sarcastic and rough truths over Obama's Smooooooth lies anytime.  "You can keep your doctor" was the least of them.

The media cannot cover up what Trump is actually doing unlike Obama who didn't do anything but run our country down!!!!!

[Serk]

It’s humorous how all you government workers and ex govt workers find it’s all the OTHER govt. workers are lazy and over paid. 

I'm not a government worker, I just have to deal with them on a daily basis.

[Robert]

Yeah, but how can you trust him to do it? He's the biggest liar that ever occupied a space in Washington.

I dont agree about Trump being a liar, but if he HAD NOT fulfilled his campaign promises which every president before him has failed to do then I would have agreed with you.

  But with that said Trump is the only one in a LONG time that has addressed the issue of Federal employees at all. The proposal would reportedly generate $10 billion over 10 years for performance-based payments. So far I have watched his dedication to his duty and working toward his promises and watched what is going on and found, even to his personal life being threatened he has made great headway into fulfilling his promises and turning this country back to what it was meant to be.

If you are talking about his businesses and how he conducts himself I would have to wonder at this point how much is show. What president have we had with the business acumen that Trump has brought to the table.

 As an example Obama had no experience running any company or even really making a difference in any public office and he was almost broke. We have desperately needed this business experience since the government needed to be put back in shape from the politicians. He wrote the book the art of the deal and he is using his experience to negotiate for the US a much better deal than we had before in many areas, like the trade agreement and the deals with other countries.

On last point we had one other choice, Hillary and just imagine what would have happened if she was president. All the crooked deals the FISA court information and just all the stuff we see happening would have been buried and we would have had the people responsible for these atrocities still in power.

So far I am very pleased at his work in office, including freezing some big wigs money in the emergency presidential order he did pertaining to human trafficking and corruption. We have already seen the results of this one order and  its just a pleasure to watch the cards fall.

[Gavin_Sons]

Trump Announces Brutal Changes to Gov’t Worker Pay
https://conservativetribune.com/trump-changes-govt-worker-pay/

The budget, which is set to be released Monday, contains some of the biggest reforms to the workforce in decades.

To put it simply, Trump’s plan seeks to “hire the best and fire the worst,” USA Today reported.

Senior officials with the Office of Management and Budget who spoke anonymously with The Washington Times said the plan aimed to put a stop to regular, tenure-and merit-based raises for more than 1.5 million federal workers and instead focus on performance-based raises.

In other words, federal employees will now have to work hard for their raises, and those who do not perform well could be fired.

The proposal would reportedly generate $10 billion over 10 years for performance-based payments.

Yeah, but how can you trust him to do it? He's the biggest liar that ever occupied a space in Washington.

You have to lie to the democrats to get anything done. You have to bring yourself down to their level. What exactly has he lied about?

[Gavin_Sons]

It’s humorous how all you government workers and ex govt workers find it’s all the OTHER govt. workers are lazy and over paid. 

Didn't you just have a post about this several weeks ago about your speeding ticket?
Yeah, you sure don't sound like a hypocrite.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

It’s humorous how all you government workers and ex govt workers find it’s all the OTHER govt. workers are lazy and over paid. 

Didn't you just have a post about this several weeks ago about your speeding ticket?
Yeah, you sure don't sound like a hypocrite.   

dude, only time I've been a govt worker was 4 years Navy. Nobody needs to convince me that the government is not efficient. The humor is in the fact that people who work or did work for the govt and willingly take their pay checks from the govt, seem to think they are ok but all the other workers are lazy, slow, corrupt, inefficient. If a person really has this much disdain for the govt, maybe they shouldn't take the money, insurance, retirement, etc. and "suck on the tit" as they say.

[The emperor has no clothes]

What is a Trump Hint ? And a reson ? 

[Valker]

It’s humorous how all you government workers and ex govt workers find it’s all the OTHER govt. workers are lazy and over paid.  

Didn't you just have a post about this several weeks ago about your speeding ticket?
Yeah, you sure don't sound like a hypocrite.  

dude, only time I've been a govt worker was 4 years Navy. Nobody needs to convince me that the government is not efficient. The humor is in the fact that people who work or did work for the govt and willingly take their pay checks from the govt, seem to think they are ok but all the other workers are lazy, slow, corrupt, inefficient. If a person really has this much disdain for the govt, maybe they shouldn't take the money, insurance, retirement, etc. and "suck on the tit" as they say.

1. “dude” should be capitalized 2. “govt” should be “govt.” 3. “or did work” should be set off with commas
4. See #2 again 5. No comma after “govt,” 6. Should be an “and” before “inefficient” 7. Should be “govt.,”
8. “and” in the last sentence should be “nor”
I just figured if we were playing grammar police that I want to join in.

[The emperor has no clothes]

It’s humorous how all you government workers and ex govt workers find it’s all the OTHER govt. workers are lazy and over paid.  

Didn't you just have a post about this several weeks ago about your speeding ticket?
Yeah, you sure don't sound like a hypocrite.  

dude, only time I've been a govt worker was 4 years Navy. Nobody needs to convince me that the government is not efficient. The humor is in the fact that people who work or did work for the govt and willingly take their pay checks from the govt, seem to think they are ok but all the other workers are lazy, slow, corrupt, inefficient. If a person really has this much disdain for the govt, maybe they shouldn't take the money, insurance, retirement, etc. and "suck on the tit" as they say.

1. “dude” should be capitalized 2. “govt” should be “govt.” 3. “or did work” should be set off with commas
4. See #2 again 5. No comma after “govt,” 6. Should be an “and” before “inefficient” 7. Should be “govt.,”
8. “and” in the last sentence should be “nor”
I just figured if we were playing grammar police that I want to join in.

always looking for improvement. Oops...Always. Thank you 

[Bighead]

Trump Announces Brutal Changes to Gov’t Worker Pay
https://conservativetribune.com/trump-changes-govt-worker-pay/

The budget, which is set to be released Monday, contains some of the biggest reforms to the workforce in decades.

To put it simply, Trump’s plan seeks to “hire the best and fire the worst,” USA Today reported.

Senior officials with the Office of Management and Budget who spoke anonymously with The Washington Times said the plan aimed to put a stop to regular, tenure-and merit-based raises for more than 1.5 million federal workers and instead focus on performance-based raises.

In other words, federal employees will now have to work hard for their raises, and those who do not perform well could be fired.

The proposal would reportedly generate $10 billion over 10 years for performance-based payments.

Yeah, but how can you trust him to do it? He's the biggest liar that ever occupied a space in Washington.

Put the pipe down and back AWAY FROM THE CRACK

[The emperor has no clothes]

http://fortune.com/2017/12/14/trump-lies-new-york-times/

[Bighead]

Hey meat you might want to quit hitting that pipe too.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Hey meat you might want to quit hitting that pipe too.

3 more years of your guy, and I'll have to start up. 

[Bighead]

I think you have been smokin some good crap for a long time.......only way to explain the way you think

[Robert]

Bighead I wouldn't worry about it to much, Its only an opinion piece but reflects the thinking of some and a new low for the Times.

This is from the article a direct quote:

"Obama told 18 lies over his entire eight-year tenure."

 


The statement above was funny but this below is just unbelievable and almost scary and I will not wonder how the miss informed got their information. I would call into question anyone who publishes an opinion piece that at very worse is a lie and at the best bad journalism.

Also from the same article below direct quote:

"Trump is different. When he is caught lying, he will often try to discredit people telling the truth, be they judges, scientists, F.B.I. or C.I.A. officials, journalists or members of Congress."

[DirtyDan]

I think you have been smokin some good crap for a long time.......only way to explain the way you think

Not the ONLY way. Been “piping” 30 years....... still conservative

Dan

[MAD6Gun]

http://fortune.com/2017/12/14/trump-lies-new-york-times/

 Oh yeah the New York times. Now there is a impartial source.  If you trust that rag to tell the truth about trump you are smoking some good chit.

[Gavin_Sons]

It’s humorous how all you government workers and ex govt workers find it’s all the OTHER govt. workers are lazy and over paid. 

Didn't you just have a post about this several weeks ago about your speeding ticket?
Yeah, you sure don't sound like a hypocrite.   

dude, only time I've been a govt worker was 4 years Navy. Nobody needs to convince me that the government is not efficient. The humor is in the fact that people who work or did work for the govt and willingly take their pay checks from the govt, seem to think they are ok but all the other workers are lazy, slow, corrupt, inefficient. If a person really has this much disdain for the govt, maybe they shouldn't take the money, insurance, retirement, etc. and "suck on the tit" as they say.

So you're saying because you don't work for the Government, it is ok for you to mouth them? But since other people do work or has recently worked for the Government and have seen first hand they can not mouth them? That makes a lot of sense there buddy. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

It’s humorous how all you government workers and ex govt workers find it’s all the OTHER govt. workers are lazy and over paid. 

Didn't you just have a post about this several weeks ago about your speeding ticket?
Yeah, you sure don't sound like a hypocrite.   

dude, only time I've been a govt worker was 4 years Navy. Nobody needs to convince me that the government is not efficient. The humor is in the fact that people who work or did work for the govt and willingly take their pay checks from the govt, seem to think they are ok but all the other workers are lazy, slow, corrupt, inefficient. If a person really has this much disdain for the govt, maybe they shouldn't take the money, insurance, retirement, etc. and "suck on the tit" as they say.

So you're saying because you don't work for the Government, it is ok for you to mouth them? But since other people do work or has recently worked for the Government and have seen first hand they can not mouth them? That makes a lot of sense there buddy. 

I said nothing of the sort. I said I found it humorous how the people here seem to think its all the others that are lazy, corrupt, etc.

http://fortune.com/2017/12/14/trump-lies-new-york-times/

 Oh yeah the New York times. Now there is a impartial source.  If you trust that rag to tell the truth about trump you are smoking some good chit.

If you have something that contradicts what they said, I'd love to see it.

[Serk]

If you have something that contradicts what they said, I'd love to see it.

Knock yourself out:

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

[Robert]

How quickly NY Times forgets Obama's lies and frauds
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds

1,366 well sourced examples of Barack Obama’s lies, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, hypocrisy, waste, etc. Kindle Edition

https://www.amazon.com/examples-lawbreaking-corruption-cronyism-hypocrisy-ebook/dp/B01E4U36NE



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/19/obamas-biggest-whoppers/?utm_term=.5d60af732d6a

“90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”

“The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”

“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”

“The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States”

“We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities”

Obama in 2016 misled the public about the number of people held accountable for the 2014 scandal over manipulated wait-time data at the Department of Veterans Affairs, which contributed to patient deaths. Congress responded by passing a law that sped up disciplinary actions for senior executive service employees. But when Obama made his statement in September, only one senior executive had been removed for a case involving wait time (though the actual firing was for an ethics violation).




This all pales in the idea that Obama being in office is a direct conflict with his own personal Ideology on who America is and what America is about. Since in office he took an oath to uphold the law on the books and did not do that. Including the preservation of marriage act that he in his own decision decided to not enforce nor uphold. This is the biggest lie along with his pen and phone remarks.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you have something that contradicts what they said, I'd love to see it.

Knock yourself out:

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

I look later. Packing up to hit the road. Dan from squirrel hill ? 

[hubcapsc]

If you have something that contradicts what they said, I'd love to see it.

Knock yourself out:

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

I look later. Packing up to hit the road. Dan from squirrel hill ? 

It seems silly to get news from a blog. Then you look at the headlines
from the mainstream news outlets, and it doesn't seem so silly.

If it is demonization (left wing or right wing), it ain't news...

-Mike

[Serk]

It seems silly to get news from a blog. Then you look at the headlines
from the mainstream news outlets, and it doesn't seem so silly.

If it is demonization (left wing or right wing), it ain't news...

-Mike

Normally, I'd agree with you, but this one supports my worldview so it must be a good, reliable source...

(That, and that he lists sources for all his claims...)

[The emperor has no clothes]

Bighead I wouldn't worry about it to much, Its only an opinion piece but reflects the thinking of some and a new low for the Times.

This is from the article a direct quote:

"Obama told 18 lies over his entire eight-year tenure."

 


The statement above was funny but this below is just unbelievable and almost scary and I will not wonder how the miss informed got their information. I would call into question anyone who publishes an opinion piece that at very worse is a lie and at the best bad journalism.

Also from the same article below direct quote:

"Trump is different. When he is caught lying, he will often try to discredit people telling the truth, be they judges, scientists, F.B.I. or C.I.A. officials, journalists or members of Congress."

That's pretty rich coming from a guy who eagerly lies about Obama's kids and Clinton running a child prostitution ring.

It seems silly to get news from a blog. Then you look at the headlines
from the mainstream news outlets, and it doesn't seem so silly.

If it is demonization (left wing or right wing), it ain't news...

-Mike

Normally, I'd agree with you, but this one supports my worldview so it must be a good, reliable source...

(That, and that he lists sources for all his claims...)

Well, I read it. Or at least some of it. You really aren't serious are you Serk ? That was a list of things conservatives didn't like about Obama. Very little even mention of lies. Much less, to the quantity of Trump's proven lies.

[Willow]

Well, I read it. Or at least some of it. You really aren't serious are you Serk ? That was a list of things conservatives didn't like about Obama. Very little even mention of lies. Much less, to the quantity of Trump's proven lies.

Mhead, this would be where the clause "pot calling the kettle" would definitely apply.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Well, I read it. Or at least some of it. You really aren't serious are you Serk ? That was a list of things conservatives didn't like about Obama. Very little even mention of lies. Much less, to the quantity of Trump's proven lies.

Mhead, this would be where the clause "pot calling the kettle" would definitely apply.

I guess we see the world thru different lenses. 

[Willow]

Well, I read it. Or at least some of it. You really aren't serious are you Serk ? That was a list of things conservatives didn't like about Obama. Very little even mention of lies. Much less, to the quantity of Trump's proven lies.

Mhead, this would be where the clause "pot calling the kettle" would definitely apply.

I guess we see the world thru different lenses. 

My  point was that your referring to the "quantity of President Trump's proven lies" immediately after referring to "a list of things conservatives didn't like about President Obama" was more than a bit ironic.

Yes, we do see the world through very different eyes.