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There is something wrong with the law if you are not old enough to buy a beer but buying an assault damn rifle is just fine...  There is no such thing as an assault rifle. That is just a term made up by the liberal press to apply to a gun that looks scary. I have a couple of AR-15s, along with other stuff. I have several hunting rifles that are much more powerful and more accurate than any AR-15. The rifle is just a tool Yes, the AR-15 is just a tool. A tool designed and purposed for the efficient killing of people. You can say the same for almost anything. The recent attack in China shows that Meat Cleavers are an efficient killing tool, so are knives, rocks, hammers, automobiles, baseball bats, etc. I can take any one of my guns, load it up and leave it out in the middle of my living room. It will not hurt anyone until someone picks it up and uses it to hurt someone. We don't have a gun problem, we have a bad person problem. If you can’t see the differences in efficiencies of a meat cleaver and multiple 30 round magazines in an AR type of weapon, I give up. I do know the difference and yes the AR is a more efficient tool, but it is just that. Alone it is a benign entity. It is the intent of the person that uses the tool that makes it an assault weapon. I have an old Remington 742, it's older than me. I've used it for hunting once, it was handed down to me by my uncle. They make a 10, 20, and 30 round magazine for it if you want one. It has a heaver bullet with more velocity than an AR round, more kinetic energy, and much more range. It also will shoot as fast an an AR. It has a nice wood stock, a scope and is definitely a more efficient killing weapon than an AR. Should I not be allowed to have this either??? It doesn't look scary like an AR so it should be OK right??? Ya know, I used a pneumatic impact wrench to tighten the rear case bolts on a Valk engine once as I was in a hurry and wanted to tighten the bolts quickly. The problem is with the high torque capacity and fast bolt tightening rate of the pneumatic impact wrench, I broke or stripped all the bolts. I don't think anyone needs or should be allowed to own a pneumatic impact wrench to prevent this from happening again. I can't see any reason for some one to own a pneumatic impact wrench, when a perfectly good combination wrench would do the job. Maybe instead of a fully pneumatic impact wrench, I could have used a ratchet and socket, but they look scary to me and by using wobble extensions and 6 and 12 point sockets, I could tighten more bolts than with the combination wrench, but could also break or strip more bolts faster than with the combination wrench, so ratchets should be illegal as well. Sounds pretty stupid don't it? BTW- this is a fictional scenario, No actual Valkyries were harmed in this scenario. You can dry your eyes Meathead. |
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And tell me again why the avg joe(other than military) needs access to assault style weapons??...I don't get that....I served three yrs in the army including one yr in the 101st infantry carrying an m16 and machine gun and I can't come up with a reason why I would need that kind of weapon....because of the mental health issues in this country I believe theres more of a reason for a major change in our gun laws...I'm all about hunting and outdoors activities...I suppose this will be another brushover by the great politicans of our country....time for a real change....
The M16 is at assault rifle. The AR15 is NOT. It is a sporting rifle. Tell me why the average "joe" needs a Corvette. Should only professional race car drivers be only allowed to own them? You don't need to go faster that 80 mph but this car and many like it can. Cars kill far more people a year then guns. See how stupid that sounds. Cars are not protected by the constitution guns are. You talk about hunting and outdoor activities. The AR can be used for hunting. Have you ever heard of three gun shoots? That is an outdoor activity. The AR15 is used primarily in this type of shoot because of it ability to carry more rounds. Action/three gun matches are tests of speed and accuracy. Reloads take time so the fewer you do the faster you can shoot the targets. So just BECAUSE you don't see a use for an AR15 a lot of us do. I don't play golf but I would never say you don't have the right to play if you want. So why can't I do what I enjoy just because you don't like the tool I use to do it? So what you are saying is because of the mental health problem in this country we have outlaw these guns? HUH. Do you know how stupid that sounds. Wouldn't it make more sense to get these wackos help (and take THEIR guns) before they go nuts? Your theory is full of holes. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/fact-check-parkland-gun-violence-mental-illness.html |
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So tell me meathead. If it's all about magazine capacity. Does that include the 25 round mags that fit the Ruger 1022? You do realize that there are a lot of gun that accept high cap mags not just the AR15?
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There is something wrong with the law if you are not old enough to buy a beer but buying an assault damn rifle is just fine... There is no such thing as an assault rifle. That is just a term made up by the liberal press to apply to a gun that looks scary. I have a couple of AR-15s, along with other stuff. I have several hunting rifles that are much more powerful and more accurate than any AR-15. The rifle is just a tool Yes, the AR-15 is just a tool. A tool designed and purposed for the efficient killing of people. You can say the same for almost anything. The recent attack in China shows that Meat Cleavers are an efficient killing tool, so are knives, rocks, hammers, automobiles, baseball bats, etc. I can take any one of my guns, load it up and leave it out in the middle of my living room. It will not hurt anyone until someone picks it up and uses it to hurt someone. We don't have a gun problem, we have a bad person problem. If you can’t see the differences in efficiencies of a meat cleaver and multiple 30 round magazines in an AR type of weapon, I give up. I do know the difference and yes the AR is a more efficient tool, but it is just that. Alone it is a benign entity. It is the intent of the person that uses the tool that makes it an assault weapon. I have an old Remington 742, it's older than me. I've used it for hunting once, it was handed down to me by my uncle. They make a 10, 20, and 30 round magazine for it if you want one. It has a heaver bullet with more velocity than an AR round, more kinetic energy, and much more range. It also will shoot as fast an an AR. It has a nice wood stock, a scope and is definitely a more efficient killing weapon than an AR. Should I not be allowed to have this either??? It doesn't look scary like an AR so it should be OK right??? Ya know, I used a pneumatic impact wrench to tighten the rear case bolts on a Valk engine once as I was in a hurry and wanted to tighten the bolts quickly. The problem is with the high torque capacity and fast bolt tightening rate of the pneumatic impact wrench, I broke or stripped all the bolts. I don't think anyone needs or should be allowed to own a pneumatic impact wrench to prevent this from happening again. I can't see any reason for some one to own a pneumatic impact wrench, when a perfectly good combination wrench would do the job. Maybe instead of a fully pneumatic impact wrench, I could have used a ratchet and socket, but they look scary to me and by using wobble extensions and 6 and 12 point sockets, I could tighten more bolts than with the combination wrench, but could also break or strip more bolts faster than with the combination wrench, so ratchets should be illegal as well. Sounds pretty stupid don't it? BTW- this is a fictional scenario, No actual Valkyries were harmed in this scenario. You can dry your eyes Meathead. I have many doubts that your "pneumatic impact wrench" has the capacity to slaughter a school classroom full of 6 year olds. See the difference ? |
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I care nothing what a gun looks like. I do care about magazine size.
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 Number of deaths: 2,626,418 Death rate: 823.7 deaths per 100,000 population Life expectancy: 78.8 years Infant Mortality rate: 5.82 deaths per 1,000 live births Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2014, tables 1, 7, 10, 20[PDF – 4.4 MB] CDC the Number of deaths for leading causes of death: Heart disease: 633,842 Cancer: 595,930 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323 Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561 Diabetes: 79,535 Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 49,959 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193 The drug overdose rate, for example, was almost 20 deaths per 100,000 last year, up from 16.3 in 2015. The death rate for diabetes was about 25 per 100,000 people; cancer was 185 per l00,000, and heart disease about 196 deaths per 100,000 people. In the U.S. every year, statistics show that about 11,000 gun homicides and 21,000 gun suicides occur. But statistics also show that 1.2 million abortions occur in the U.S. every year. It’s not 12,000 abortions—it’s 1.2 million. So yes, let’s ask: What if killing people by the use of firearms was as hard as killing babies by the use of abortions? That would result in only about 30,000 abortions every year. That would be 30,000 too many, but in a country of more than 300 million people, that would be a drastic reduction. So you have more of a chance of being killed by a sharp object, or while bicycling, or by getting hit by a Spaceship than you do of being in a mass shooting. Get rid of the sharp objects, bicycles and spaceships and we will all be safer. They also skew these numbers by defining a mass shooting as 4 or more people shot, not necessarily killed, but shot. Hell if that's the case I've been to several mass shootings, we had one just afew shifts ago with 4 people shot in the hood. 1 died, I didn't see this make any headlines even though the CDC defines this as a mass shooting, and the shooter didn't use an AR 15. It was an 18yr old mental patient that escaped and was being looked for, for over a month, with an illegal, stolen gun. I guarantee you, the vast majority of mass shootings are not done with an AR-15, but when one is used it makes the news. By CDC definition there are mass shootings in Chicago and most hoods on a regular basis, the majority are done by already convicted felons, set free by liberal rules and plea bargains, using stolen handguns, never makes the news. As a plus, the Texas Church Shooter was stopped by an NRA member with an AR 15. People start saying we need more gun laws.. We need to enforce the laws we have. When they started the NICS check system and federalized the background checks for guns, which I have no issue with as I am a law abiding person, check away, The Brady Bunch used to spout about how the NICS system kept over 2 million prohibited persons from getting a gun. Good, but, it is against federal law for a prohibited person to try to get a gun, it is a felony. How many of those 2 million have they arrested and convicted??? Less than 100. We have enough laws, but they don't do crap if they aren't enforced. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. I need a 30 rd magazine because there might be 30 bad guys. I don't understand the mentality of those that insist on blaming the gun and not the shooter. No-body worries about 22 caliber rifles yet I can get a 110 rd magazine for them:  The guns are NOT the problem. I refuse to agree to the banning of guns, because if they are then only bad guys will have them. I understand the importance of good guys having guns and I want them to. Everytime, something like this happens the liberal anti gunners begin singing the same song. This is not a gun issue, it is a people issue. More accurately it is a mental health issue. If you want to do something that will make a difference take up that cause. You might even find that you'll have support from the pro gun crowd. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. I need a 30 rd magazine because there might be 30 bad guys. I don't understand the mentality of those that insist on blaming the gun and not the shooter. No-body worries about 22 caliber rifles yet I can get a 110 rd magazine for them: The guns are NOT the problem. I refuse to agree to the banning of guns, because if they are then only bad guys will have them. I understand the importance of good guys having guns and I want them to. Everytime, something like this happens the liberal anti gunners begin singing the same song. This is not a gun issue, it is a people issue. More accurately it is a mental health issue. If you want to do something that will make a difference take up that cause. You might even find that you'll have support from the pro gun crowd. 30 bad guys ? Yeah that happens a lot. Pro gun crowd ? More like the pro "me" crowd. Your party has fought against restricting guns to people with mental health issues. |
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The news last week said: "'The latest mass shooting, in Florida, of course".
Don't judge Florida from your experience in other states. We lived there 10 years and recently moved back to NC. In Florida cities, many people live to demand "respect". That means "I am tough and arrogant and can bully my way around". At Altamonte Springs Costco, a man blew up at me, as I was not pushing my shopping cart correctly. "Please Wait to be Seated" signs at a restaurant? People will walk right past you, sit down and smile back at you. Tell somebody at work that they made a mistake? That's serious disrespect, so expect some payback. The finger is common while driving.
With all those people who want to reach out and poke somebody in the eye, how do you pick the the one that will use the gun?
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. You obviously didn't see my post about action/three gun matches. We use them to compete in speed and accuracy. The faster you can shoot and reload the better your time. So yes we "need" them to be competitive. Do you play golf? If so why do you have 12 or so clubs. You can't play golf with just one club right? Well you can't compete in the gun sports with just one gun. If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you. Just give it up. You are not going to change the minds of the many gun guys here. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. I need a 30 rd magazine because there might be 30 bad guys. I don't understand the mentality of those that insist on blaming the gun and not the shooter. No-body worries about 22 caliber rifles yet I can get a 110 rd magazine for them: The guns are NOT the problem. I refuse to agree to the banning of guns, because if they are then only bad guys will have them. I understand the importance of good guys having guns and I want them to. Everytime, something like this happens the liberal anti gunners begin singing the same song. This is not a gun issue, it is a people issue. More accurately it is a mental health issue. If you want to do something that will make a difference take up that cause. You might even find that you'll have support from the pro gun crowd. 30 bad guys ? Yeah that happens a lot. Pro gun crowd ? More like the pro "me" crowd. Your party has fought against restricting guns to people with mental health issues. You really should change your handle to Bull Dog or to Snapping Turtle. Because when you bite into something you refuse to let it go. Even when you probably should. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. You obviously didn't see my post about action/three gun matches. We use them to compete in speed and accuracy. The faster you can shoot and reload the better your time. So yes we "need" them to be competitive. Do you play golf? If so why do you have 12 or so clubs. You can't play golf with just one club right? Well you can't compete in the gun sports with just one gun. If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you. Just give it up. You are not going to change the minds of the many gun guys here. That is not a need, that is a want. I will never give up trying to protect our kids. I have no illusions of changing your mind or many others here. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. I need a 30 rd magazine because there might be 30 bad guys. I don't understand the mentality of those that insist on blaming the gun and not the shooter. No-body worries about 22 caliber rifles yet I can get a 110 rd magazine for them: The guns are NOT the problem. I refuse to agree to the banning of guns, because if they are then only bad guys will have them. I understand the importance of good guys having guns and I want them to. Everytime, something like this happens the liberal anti gunners begin singing the same song. This is not a gun issue, it is a people issue. More accurately it is a mental health issue. If you want to do something that will make a difference take up that cause. You might even find that you'll have support from the pro gun crowd. 30 bad guys ? Yeah that happens a lot. Pro gun crowd ? More like the pro "me" crowd. Your party has fought against restricting guns to people with mental health issues. You really should change your handle to Bull Dog or to Snapping Turtle. Because when you bite into something you refuse to let it go. Even when you probably should. You can't address the issues so you resort to that ? If you prefer to call me bull dog or snapping turtle, I'm fine with that. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. I need a 30 rd magazine because there might be 30 bad guys. I don't understand the mentality of those that insist on blaming the gun and not the shooter. No-body worries about 22 caliber rifles yet I can get a 110 rd magazine for them: The guns are NOT the problem. I refuse to agree to the banning of guns, because if they are then only bad guys will have them. I understand the importance of good guys having guns and I want them to. Everytime, something like this happens the liberal anti gunners begin singing the same song. This is not a gun issue, it is a people issue. More accurately it is a mental health issue. If you want to do something that will make a difference take up that cause. You might even find that you'll have support from the pro gun crowd. 30 bad guys ? Yeah that happens a lot. Pro gun crowd ? More like the pro "me" crowd. Your party has fought against restricting guns to people with mental health issues. Maybe not a lot but it does happen. Does hurricane Harvey sound familiar? Those people in Texas and other places defended their property against looters with guns. Some ARs. You are just ignorant. If you believe that the rebublicans want to keep guns in the hands of the mentally ill you are delusional as well as ignorant. |
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Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. I need a 30 rd magazine because there might be 30 bad guys. I don't understand the mentality of those that insist on blaming the gun and not the shooter. No-body worries about 22 caliber rifles yet I can get a 110 rd magazine for them: The guns are NOT the problem. I refuse to agree to the banning of guns, because if they are then only bad guys will have them. I understand the importance of good guys having guns and I want them to. Everytime, something like this happens the liberal anti gunners begin singing the same song. This is not a gun issue, it is a people issue. More accurately it is a mental health issue. If you want to do something that will make a difference take up that cause. You might even find that you'll have support from the pro gun crowd. 30 bad guys ? Yeah that happens a lot. Pro gun crowd ? More like the pro "me" crowd. Your party has fought against restricting guns to people with mental health issues. You really should change your handle to Bull Dog or to Snapping Turtle. Because when you bite into something you refuse to let it go. Even when you probably should. You can't address the issues so you resort to that ? If you prefer to call me bull dog or snapping turtle, I'm fine with that. Didn't call you any names. Did suggest that you consider changing your handle. Dude you really need to reach up and take that chip off of your shoulder. Oh, and I certainly did address the issue. You are the one that refuses to acknowlwdge the root cause. |
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Now who's calling names? Chill TFO dude! And ACTUALLY READ your own links: As we explained in a 17 February 2017 post, this rule — which never went into effect before being rescinded — did not change any existing laws regulating who is allowed to purchase guns. It merely would have provided a new way to enforce existing restrictions on gun sales by allowing a transfer of information from one agency to another. There are now, and have been for some time, laws that seek to limit gun sales to anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” per Title 18 section 922(g) of the United States Code. |
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« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2018, 01:01:09 PM » |
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So tell me again why these automatic and semiautomatic weapons need to be available to the genl public....I missed your response....
Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. I need a 30 rd magazine because there might be 30 bad guys. I don't understand the mentality of those that insist on blaming the gun and not the shooter. No-body worries about 22 caliber rifles yet I can get a 110 rd magazine for them: The guns are NOT the problem. I refuse to agree to the banning of guns, because if they are then only bad guys will have them. I understand the importance of good guys having guns and I want them to. Everytime, something like this happens the liberal anti gunners begin singing the same song. This is not a gun issue, it is a people issue. More accurately it is a mental health issue. If you want to do something that will make a difference take up that cause. You might even find that you'll have support from the pro gun crowd. 30 bad guys ? Yeah that happens a lot. Pro gun crowd ? More like the pro "me" crowd. Your party has fought against restricting guns to people with mental health issues. You really should change your handle to Bull Dog or to Snapping Turtle. Because when you bite into something you refuse to let it go. Even when you probably should. You can't address the issues so you resort to that ? If you prefer to call me bull dog or snapping turtle, I'm fine with that. Didn't call you any names. Did suggest that you consider changing your handle. Dude you really need to reach up and take that chip off of your shoulder. I never accused you of either. But you can still address those issues of 30 bad guys coming at you and your party repealing restrictions for mentally ill people. |
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« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2018, 01:02:07 PM » |
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So tell me again why these automatic and semiautomatic weapons need to be available to the genl public....I missed your response....
Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. You obviously didn't see my post about action/three gun matches. We use them to compete in speed and accuracy. The faster you can shoot and reload the better your time. So yes we "need" them to be competitive. Do you play golf? If so why do you have 12 or so clubs. You can't play golf with just one club right? Well you can't compete in the gun sports with just one gun. If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you. Just give it up. You are not going to change the minds of the many gun guys here. That is not a need, that is a want. I will never give up trying to protect our kids. I have no illusions of changing your mind or many others here. Then stop trying. I resent the idea we dont care about kids because we own AR15 rifles. . HOW DARE YOU. I would kill to protect my step kids and grand kids. More kids are killed in accidents,car crashes,drownings not to mention the thousands upon thousands murdered every year by abortion. Are you willing to do something about that? Didn't think so. |
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« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2018, 01:03:47 PM » |
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So tell me again why these automatic and semiautomatic weapons need to be available to the genl public....I missed your response....
Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. You obviously didn't see my post about action/three gun matches. We use them to compete in speed and accuracy. The faster you can shoot and reload the better your time. So yes we "need" them to be competitive. Do you play golf? If so why do you have 12 or so clubs. You can't play golf with just one club right? Well you can't compete in the gun sports with just one gun. If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you. Just give it up. You are not going to change the minds of the many gun guys here. That is not a need, that is a want. I will never give up trying to protect our kids. I have no illusions of changing your mind or many others here. Then stop trying. I resent the idea we dont care about kids because we own AR15 rifles. . HOW DARE YOU. I would kill to protect my step kids and grand kids. More kids are killed in accidents,car crashes,drownings not to mention the thousands upon thousands murdered every year by abortion. Are you willing to do something about that? Didn't think so. Brilliant ! |
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« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2018, 01:10:36 PM » |
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So tell me again why these automatic and semiautomatic weapons need to be available to the genl public....I missed your response....
Because they "want" them. Their desires outweigh the greater good of our kids. OK guys. Meathead has spoken and says we don't need AR15s or any high capacity rifles. So everyone send your EVIL looking rifles to him so he can destroy them. Better yet. Meathead why don't you come and take them. I'm sure we will all give them up to you voluntary. Or you could just explain why you "need" them. You obviously didn't see my post about action/three gun matches. We use them to compete in speed and accuracy. The faster you can shoot and reload the better your time. So yes we "need" them to be competitive. Do you play golf? If so why do you have 12 or so clubs. You can't play golf with just one club right? Well you can't compete in the gun sports with just one gun. If you don't understand that I don't know what to tell you. Just give it up. You are not going to change the minds of the many gun guys here. That is not a need, that is a want. I will never give up trying to protect our kids. I have no illusions of changing your mind or many others here. Then stop trying. I resent the idea we dont care about kids because we own AR15 rifles. . HOW DARE YOU. I would kill to protect my step kids and grand kids. More kids are killed in accidents,car crashes,drownings not to mention the thousands upon thousands murdered every year by abortion. Are you willing to do something about that? Didn't think so. I can't comprehend the mentality that says people shouldn't be allowed to own guns even though it's a constitutional right. Yet, they insist on protecting a woman's "Right" to abort her unborn baby. What happened to: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. |
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« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2018, 01:19:02 PM » |
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Ok so restrict magazine capacity. Now you only have criminals with high cam mags and law abiding citizens with 6 or 7 rounds in theirs to protect themselves with. I will always choose to protect our kids with the same weapons or better that is killing them. And I assume all of you anti gun crazies will volunteer to come collect my guns from me? Yeah, thought not.
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« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2018, 01:19:09 PM » |
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How about when a crowd of blacks pulled Reginald Denny out of the cab of his truck, kicked and beat the crap out of him then fractured his skull with a brick. I'm sure he could have used one. How about the many female joggers in Central Park when the Wilding craze was going on, gangs of thugs carrying off females to be gang raped. I bet most of them wish they had an AR. How about this family?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUvfDPVq-oHow about this poor guy?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFw7SeFOD04This list can go on and on. We can play this game all night. |
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« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2018, 01:44:46 PM » |
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30 bad guys (or any mob) is completely possible. (Not the main reason for the 2d amendment)
30 good guys (cops or US military) come to take my weapons, is less likely but still possible, and these are the exact firearms they will come with. (Is the main reason for the 2d amendment)
Both will be fought with deadly force.
Why do you guys argue with him? You will not change his mind. He will not change your (my) mind.
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« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2018, 01:49:59 PM » |
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Now who's calling names? Chill TFO dude! And ACTUALLY READ your own links: As we explained in a 17 February 2017 post, this rule — which never went into effect before being rescinded — did not change any existing laws regulating who is allowed to purchase guns. It merely would have provided a new way to enforce existing restrictions on gun sales by allowing a transfer of information from one agency to another. There are now, and have been for some time, laws that seek to limit gun sales to anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” per Title 18 section 922(g) of the United States Code. The regulation that Trump rescinded would have helped different agencies communicate better. You failed to include the following paragraph. "The Obama rule would have prevented an estimated 75,000 people with mental disorders from being able to purchase a firearm. It was crafted as part of Obama’s efforts to strengthen the federal background check system in the wake of the 2012 massacre of 20 young students and six staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut." |
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« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2018, 01:52:15 PM » |
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Or you could just explain why you "need" them.
 The bottom line is this; I'm willing to die to defend my basic human rights. Are you willing to kill, by the thousands if not millions, to deny Americans their basic human rights? |
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« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2018, 01:52:30 PM » |
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30 bad guys (or any mob) is completely possible. (Not the main reason for the 2d amendment)
30 good guys (cops or US military) come to take my weapons, is less likely but still possible, and these are the exact firearms they will come with. (Is the main reason for the 2d amendment)
Both will be fought with deadly force.
Why do you guys argue with him? You will not change his mind. He will not change your (my) mind.
Possible yes. Any instances of it actually happened ? There are plenty of examples of children actually being slaughtered. |
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« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2018, 01:55:13 PM » |
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Or you could just explain why you "need" them.
The bottom line is this; I'm willing to die to defend my basic human rights. Are you willing to kill, by the thousands if not millions, to deny Americans their basic human rights? The 2nd Amendment says nothing about your right to 30 round magazines. Comparing the civil rights of someone to sit on a bus to unlimited firepower is asinine. |
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« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2018, 01:57:41 PM » |
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The Koreans on their store rooftops in the LA (King) riots could have killed hundreds, but the looters decided to find other places to loot, and the Koreans let them go. There are plenty of other examples.
The 2d amendment gives all law abiding US citizens a right to parity of all small arms with all police and military, period. The 2d amendment is not unlimited, but it easily includes semiauto ARs and any magazines it can take.
This will be my only response.
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« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2018, 02:00:03 PM » |
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30 bad guys (or any mob) is completely possible. (Not the main reason for the 2d amendment)
30 good guys (cops or US military) come to take my weapons, is less likely but still possible, and these are the exact firearms they will come with. (Is the main reason for the 2d amendment)
Both will be fought with deadly force.
Why do you guys argue with him? You will not change his mind. He will not change your (my) mind.
Possible yes. Any instances of it actually happened ? There are plenty of examples of children actually being slaughtered. ANYONE, that wants to ban guns to "SAVE CHILDREN" and yet supports abortion, IS A HYPOCRITE! PLAIN AND SIMPLE. |
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« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2018, 02:02:44 PM » |
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To meathead's way of thinking, if you just ban the tool, the evil goes away.
So, Meathead, what are the top 3 mass murders that occurred in the US?
And what do those 3 have in common (or more specifically not in common).
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« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2018, 02:02:57 PM » |
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30 bad guys (or any mob) is completely possible. (Not the main reason for the 2d amendment)
30 good guys (cops or US military) come to take my weapons, is less likely but still possible, and these are the exact firearms they will come with. (Is the main reason for the 2d amendment)
Both will be fought with deadly force.
Why do you guys argue with him? You will not change his mind. He will not change your (my) mind.
Possible yes. Any instances of it actually happened ? There are plenty of examples of children actually being slaughtered. ANYONE, that wants to ban guns to "SAVE CHILDREN" and yet supports abortion, IS A HYPOCRITE! PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And how is restricting magazine size "banning guns" ? Supports abortion ? |
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« Reply #79 on: February 18, 2018, 02:04:09 PM » |
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Also, were their any rifles with high capacity magazines available at the time the 2nd Amendment was written?
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