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Ouch!!! My Lady just had the Final Drive replaced (82.3K) and now (3500 miles) later that fateful "box of rocks sound" initially at 5th then 4th gear. Was able to slow down and back it down to 1st gear then up shifted to 2nd gear but didn't want to try going back up to 3rd. It ran smooth, and no other sounds for the last 3 miles to the house. I have always had the gear whine for years (I have put 17K miles since purchased) but I guess it caught up to me. I priced new parts at Partzilla ($1500 and need #30 needle bearing-unobtainium?). The engine is strong and reliable. I do run the car tire and had other one replaced when the final drive went on. Last tire had 16k since I owned and probably another 10K miles with prior owner). Do not run a trailer Question to all : I do love this bike, have gone to InZanes and made the $1800 decision for the final drive but it is difficult now faced with another major repair. The VRCC is always first place in my search for options prior to going to the dealer. I am open to any and all suggestions/comments ie rebuild, rebuilt, new trans, new bike and would welcome any sources that you feel are reliable, reasonable and trustworthy. Thanks to all ! God Bless, Joss Clearwater MN 1999 Valkyrie Tourer Cream/Red 86000 miles  |
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2018, 07:26:57 AM » |
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I've never even heard of a Valk transmission breaking. Are you ABSOLUTELY certain it isn't a drive shaft/pinion cup issue? If the last final drive wasn't properly maintained, the cup probably wasn't either.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2018, 07:28:11 AM » |
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Go over to the Classifieds, there is a 98 standard with 10K miles on it, see what he would take for the transmission.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 07:33:05 AM » |
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Go over to the Classifieds, there is a 98 standard with 10K miles on it, see what he would take for the transmission.
Problem with that is the transmission isn't a separate item from the motor, it's all an integral unit. You buy the tranny....you've bought the motor. I'd be more inclined to take Valker's suggestions. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it's not the tranny, more likely the drive train in the area of the pinion cup and rear end of the driveshaft. Keep us posted on findings. |
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2018, 07:53:21 AM » |
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I've never even heard of a Valk transmission breaking. Are you ABSOLUTELY certain it isn't a drive shaft/pinion cup issue? If the last final drive wasn't properly maintained, the cup probably wasn't either.
This. $200ish and an hour to fix. When you were in higher gears, there was more torque on the now-worn and slipping driveshaft and pinion cup teeth. If you would have hit the gas in the lower gears it would have slipped there too. If you’re going to run a car tire, you still need to do the maintenance on your final drive and pinion cup/driveshaft. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2018, 08:14:49 AM » |
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I'm with the others here on this situation. In my short time here I've Never heard of a transmission going and we have a couple of blower bikes here bouts-MORE Horsepower. The whine from the transmission Is attributed to our square cut gears. That gear whine puts me in mind of a friends Five Seven Chevy with the 4 speed.  Please let us know what ya find! RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 09:18:46 AM » |
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Yeah, step one, pull the rear drive, check pinion cup/shaft, and u-joint. Pinion cup sounds exactly like a cratered transmission *should* as the sound travels up the shaft...I say *should* because nobody really knows what a valk tranny sounds like when it craters as nobody has ever done it (to my and many other's knowledge).
You may be the first...but check the pinion cup/shaft. Cheap/easy fix.
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 10:18:22 AM » |
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As already suggested, don't jump to a conclusion, investigate. If the rear was done properly (at a shop??), then my 1st thought was the yoke, the one piece not done or most likely, even looked at in a vise.
The bike isn't ride able, don't spend this kind of money at a dealership. Post for help in your area, and make a work party. I take it since you went to a dealer for the rear, and are contemplating one for the motor/tranny, then you want/need help/support. You'll get that from here, and I suspect from other members, like me, who have experience and knowledge, but want to put it into practice. Mine is mostly with cars, but it would be nice to learn on our ride of choice.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 11:45:43 AM » |
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I agree with all with regards to the shaft an pinion.
I have grenaded the Valk Tranny, Lost 2nd 3rd and 4th gears.
The shift lever was loose and while my buddy was running it against his while I rode his Valk - He blew the 2nd 3rd and 4th gears out.
Had Attic Rat build me a Performance from another motor that my friend graciously purchased for me.
I still have the old motor.
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 01:18:06 PM » |
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I agree with all with regards to the shaft an pinion.
I have grenaded the Valk Tranny, Lost 2nd 3rd and 4th gears.
The shift lever was loose and while my buddy was running it against his while I rode his Valk - He blew the 2nd 3rd and 4th gears out.
Had Attic Rat build me a Performance from another motor that my friend graciously purchased for me.
I still have the old motor.
wow this must be the first report ever of a valkyrie tranny getting blown unless this more recent report turns out to be the same thing. I think if you keep decent oil in your motor and don't trash it to smithereens a transmission like this -- barring something crazy like loose ball bearings in there --can't really get grenaded but maybe that's wrong. I have been told and have experienced myself in the last 45 years plus riding Jap bikes that their transmissions, that is gearboxes, are virtually Bulletproof. I'd be checking everything else -- final drive even the clutch -- before concluding the tranny is actually blown |
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 02:08:26 PM » |
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I had/have a grenaded motor, it's with another member I gave it to for experiment. I don't think it was the tranny, but a connecting rod that had broken through the block. He's got much to do, and I was never interested in tearing into it to find out, so it's not been opened yet. I don't even recall if the heads even came off of it yet.
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2018, 02:52:52 PM » |
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The block is still intact
My guess is the shift rod and forks for the gear transition may well be the culprit
I want to dig in but I don't have the time or the tools
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 04:45:14 PM » |
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I want to dig in but I don't have the time or the tools
Time, I can relate too. Tools. Any inexpensive set should have what you need, I don't expect special tools needed. If in doubt, look over the service manual 1st, I think the section should show you tools needed for the job. |
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2018, 06:36:14 AM » |
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Yeah, step one, pull the rear drive, check pinion cup/shaft, and u-joint. Pinion cup sounds exactly like a cratered transmission *should* as the sound travels up the shaft...I say *should* because nobody really knows what a valk tranny sounds like when it craters as nobody has ever done it (to my and many other's knowledge).
You may be the first...but check the pinion cup/shaft. Cheap/easy fix.
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2018, 06:51:06 AM » |
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Hopefully he stops back here to read the comments before he does anything rash.
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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2018, 12:07:18 PM » |
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Thanks everyone for the input and replies. You're right, I was contemplating the dealer. Not now. I enjoy this bike so much, I guess I kind of overreacted here. So.......I will follow Step 1 Dan, Michael, John and all suggestions to pull the final to check for pinon cup shaft and/or u joint failure. I will report back to all once I get my arms around this. Again thanks to all for the support and replies guys.  Best, Tom
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2018, 01:11:43 PM » |
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Do not get touchy feely with the parts.  They are infested with stinging scorpions. :tickedoff:Metal shavings. Clean well and use a flashlight.  da prez |
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2018, 09:34:16 AM » |
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I would lean more to the shifter system (Forks, Dogs, Springs) The tranny can slip between gears into a false neutral when the parts are worn. Can feel like a failure but its really not.
Either way you need to split the case to fix it which requires some special tooling to get it back together. To do it right you would be looking at a minimum of $1k all the way up to ^k for the tools alone. Of course much of the special re not needed but do make life easier.
You mention having the whine in the Tranny. This is absolutely normal for the Valk as the gears are straight cut and inherently noisy.
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2018, 07:27:28 PM » |
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Mr Meyer, Been meaning to send this reply on the forum but had to go out of state for several weeks. Just wanted to update you and others on my "transmission just crashed" panic attack earlier in the month. It turns out the #29 Bearing behind the Pinion cup came apart. As mentioned earlier it was a brand new Final Drive installed by the dealer 3400 miles ago. It appears that the tech never filled with the 80W hypoid as there was absolutely no 80w smell or residue in the banjo. It must have run on the break in oil that was filled at the factory for all those miles.....Unbelievable ! The dealer is warrantying the unit, replacing with another and I will be picking the unit up tomorrow to install. Am going through a terrific learning curve here on my Valkyrie and the confidence that follows. Thank you to all for comments and especially Michael and Brad G for all your help and support while my Lady is on the table. Will update when she's on all twos. God Bless, Tom J |
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2018, 07:35:28 PM » |
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Another great dealer story. New final drive. No final drive oil. Priceless. |
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2018, 08:07:26 PM » |
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yeah that is colossally incompetent. So if you get a new pumpkin and drive shaft and all out of the deal, do your diligence and pull the fill cap and make sure that there's oil in it, better yet put your own synthetic 80 weight hypoid gear oil in there
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2018, 05:37:07 AM » |
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I rarely take my Valk ( or any bike for that matter) to the dealer. I think I did one time? When I got it home and finally had time, I went over their work. It was fine, but just had to check. Only reason it went in the first place was it needed to be done and I was gone out of state for 3 weeks. I wanted ride when I got home, not wrench.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2018, 05:57:25 AM » |
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*blinks*
That's...incredible!
Glad they're replacing it!
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