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« on: July 06, 2018, 08:11:50 AM » |
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I have ridden Gold Wings over 150,000 miles. Now that I have a Valkyrie it seems the slow turns are a lot harder to make. The steering stem has been tightened to make it a little better but, it is still touch and go at low speed u turns and such. Any suggestions or different riding techniques between Gold Wing and Valkyrie? Thanks
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2018, 08:23:42 AM » |
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I have no experience with GW's, but practice on any new bike is to be expected.
The 150 front on Valk is larger than the 130 on Wings.
Make sure your air pressures are up (like 41 minimum front, and rear). 37 is gooshy.
Make sure your rear shock bushings are good, and not sloppy. (are the bolt heads centered, or off center?)
MSF is all inside the box, because that's the hardest riding there is.
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98valk
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2018, 08:29:10 AM » |
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valkyrie has a terrible trail number, at 5.984" rake 32 degrees compared to the GL1500 trail 4.40" rake 30 degrees, which is known to handle better than the valkyrie. I use a smaller dia front tire and larger dia rear tire and raised the forks slightly in the clamps to bring the trail lower. handles much better. front tire profile also has a lot to do with handling.
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« Last Edit: July 06, 2018, 09:32:23 AM by 98valk, (aka CA) »
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Valkorado
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VRCC DS 0242
Gunnison, Colorado (7,703') Here there be twisties.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2018, 08:48:26 AM » |
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Lightly dragging your rear brake on the u-turns helps a bunch! 
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oldsmokey
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2018, 09:07:08 AM » |
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I agree, my 1500 wing is much more nimble than the I/S and smoother. Never compared to another valk but only has 20k on it. I do plan on getting a second opinion from a good tech that is familiar with this vintage.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2018, 10:05:41 AM » |
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I have ridden Gold Wings over 150,000 miles. Now that I have a Valkyrie it seems the slow turns are a lot harder to make. The steering stem has been tightened to make it a little better but, it is still touch and go at low speed u turns and such. Any suggestions or different riding techniques between Gold Wing and Valkyrie? Thanks
I think the Valkyrie will never make u-turns as easily as a Goldwing does. But I think powering thru the turn makes it easier. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2018, 10:20:51 AM » |
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Lightly dragging your rear brake on the u-turns helps a bunch! Look where you want to go Easy to forget these 2 basic rules. Then throw in a little clutch with a really small amount of gas and you should be good to go. (Whatever the f that means  ). Full lock circles can be achieved with a little practice. |
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2018, 10:31:19 AM » |
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Make sure your tire pressures are up - 40-44 PSI in front regardless of what the manual says. I forget what the group's wisdom recommends the rear tire to be, as I run a car tire. Soft tires make slow speed handling hard work.
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knockdolian
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2018, 10:57:58 AM » |
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I had an IS for about a year. Never did find the confidence to do a u turn. I didn’t like the slow handling one bit. I sold it 3 years ago. I was talking to a “Valk guy “who said the standard and tourers were completely different. I took delivery of a 2000 tourer yesterday and OMG, so easy to ride. No issues doing U turns. Been doing them all day just for fun.
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davit
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2018, 11:27:58 AM » |
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Dirty carbs on this bike, in particular partially clogged slow jets will cause off-idle stumble which makes low speed handling unpredictable and difficult. 60 bucks for an ultrasonic cleaner, a Redeye kit and a couple days of your time spent on the carbs can make a world of difference.
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2018, 01:57:48 PM » |
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The steering stem has been tightened to make it a little better but...
Was this done to...and exactly to...the procedure/torque in the manual? If not, this ain't your old bicycle. The Valk is VERY picky about steering head bearing condition/torque...adjusting it "by feel" will not do the job. Also, if they've been loose or have some miles on 'em likely they are indexed and need replaced anyway. |
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bentwrench
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2018, 02:38:21 PM » |
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The steering stem has been tightened to make it a little better but...
Was this done to...and exactly to...the procedure/torque in the manual? If not, this ain't your old bicycle. The Valk is VERY picky about steering head bearing condition/torque...adjusting it "by feel" will not do the job. Also, if they've been loose or have some miles on 'em likely they are indexed and need replaced anyway. Daniel is 100% correct,I swapped out my steering head bearings at 100k miles.They were showing some very slight brinneling on the lower race(Pa. roads) followed the setup procedure to letter. and it felt like I got brand new valk.These wear issues occur so gradually that you don't notice them. |
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Medina
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2019, 02:39:42 AM » |
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valkyrie has a terrible trail number, at 5.984" rake 32 degrees compared to the GL1500 trail 4.40" rake 30 degrees, which is known to handle better than the valkyrie.
I did not know that. (trail numbers) Suddenly...a LOT is explained!! |
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98valk
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2019, 03:58:32 AM » |
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valkyrie has a terrible trail number, at 5.984" rake 32 degrees compared to the GL1500 trail 4.40" rake 30 degrees, which is known to handle better than the valkyrie.
I did not know that. (trail numbers) Suddenly...a LOT is explained!! right now I'm putting a set of I/S fork clamps on my std/tourer. The I/S clamps have a 1/32" offset more than the std/tourer clamps, which will help reduce the trail number. with a smaller OD front tire 130/90-17 and raising the forks slightly, the final trail number will be about 5.62". |
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2019, 04:47:44 AM » |
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Two things you might not have though we're related but are critical to slow speed control are carb sync and properly adjusted throttle. Too much slack and unresponsive carbs and you will struggle at slow speed.
Put the steering head bearings back to spec.
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Tfrank59
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2019, 09:03:47 AM » |
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I have no experience with goldwings but if your valk is working right--tires, suspension, engine, etc-- and you practice following those "basic rules", I've gotten to where I can do full lock U-turns. I'm a lot more confident doing right handed ones than left but I can do them easily unless I'm on like gravel or a steep hill or something.
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Paladin528
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2019, 06:28:39 AM » |
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Yep when you have solid clutch skills you can move the valk around quite well.
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