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« on: July 07, 2018, 04:56:56 PM » |
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My sidestand spring always worked properly and "snapped" the stand down, and also the same into the up position. For whatever reason when I got home last night I kicked the stand down and went to set the bike and I almost lost it. The stand was just kind of floppy and not where it should have been. It also will not stay up either. My question is how could this have happened out of the blue? I looked at all the parts and they all look to be there. I am bummed because I wanted to ride tomorrow, but I cant go out with the stand dragging. I tried to put a helper spring from the hardware store in the middle of it, but that didn't help. Am I missing something, or did the spring go from working fine to dead in the course of one ride? very odd...
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2018, 04:59:07 PM » |
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Replace the spring and spring bolt. Clean all moving parts well and a touch of lube on pivot.
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2018, 05:00:31 PM » |
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The bolt (post) that the spring is attached to is broken. Probably not all the way through but will be soon and then you will lose the spring. Replace now
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2018, 05:32:49 PM » |
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The bolt (post) that the spring is attached to is broken. Probably not all the way through but will be soon and then you will lose the spring. Replace now
This. Mine went two weeks ago, ordered the bolt from my local dealer and had it in two days. You could tie/bungee it up for a ride. |
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2018, 06:20:13 PM » |
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That is what I did when mine broke in Alabama Bungee to the rack that sits on the trunk. Not pretty but it got me home
Fortunately I had an entire spare kickstand/spring unit in the basement from a triked valk
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2018, 06:48:52 PM » |
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Largely theory, but I think that the direction that the hook faces keeps the spring bolt from rotating loose.. Just that logically a loose spring bolt contributes to the bolt breaking. The pic, I cropped off the Internet. The hook on my own spring might face in the opposite direction. In the pic, the hook faces the kickstand bracket. But whatever, wouldn't facing the hook in one direction instead of the other direction assist in keeping the spring bolt from rotating loose counter-clockwise? Heads or tails (notwithstanding). Greasing does diminish the resistance. The longer hook on the spring should be attached to the spring bolt. Makes it easier to slip over the pin.  |
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2018, 04:44:34 AM » |
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Largely theory, but I think that the direction that the hook faces keeps the spring bolt from rotating loose.. Just that logically a loose spring bolt contributes to the bolt breaking. The pic, I cropped off the Internet. The hook on my own spring might face in the opposite direction. In the pic, the hook faces the kickstand bracket. But whatever, wouldn't facing the hook in one direction instead of the other direction assist in keeping the spring bolt from rotating loose counter-clockwise? Heads or tails (notwithstanding). Greasing does diminish the resistance. The longer hook on the spring should be attached to the spring bolt. Makes it easier to slip over the pin. The bolt (#11) should have a washer (#30), a rubber hose retainer (#12) and a nut (#19) locking it, keeping it from rotating from stand use. https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/1998/gl1500c-a-valkyrie/frameThis OEM graphic shows the spring going the other way than the web graphic, which I don't believe should matter, as long as the springs long arm is on the bolt and away from the stand. https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/1998/gl1500c-a-valkyrie/side-stand I've lost two bolts and springs over the 2 decades of riding these ladies. That bolt hangs down the lowest of anything around it and if the planets line up right, boom, there she goes.  I did a wire attachment, but luckily, haven't field tested it yet. The last time I unattached it, I was visiting my nephew down in NC. His son and I rifled through their buckets of nuts and bolts and we came up with a 8mm bolt that was long enough. I was able to find the spring and it worked. He was happy , because I broke it off as I was getting ready to take him for a ride. |
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Valkyrja
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2018, 08:18:40 AM » |
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the input. The odd thing is all of the hardware is all there and intact. The spring is where is should be, and worked just fine, until it didn't. The spring bolt that holds the spring that breaks actually looks like it has little wear. I like the idea of the wire to keep the spring from getting lost, and I will probably reuse the inner spring I bought yesterday trying to 'fix' mine. I figure that spring would serve as a retainer, like a wire. I will order the parts, but still trying to figure a quick fix. I cant just tie up the sidestand, as I have not bought or built a jack plate yet, and even then, not sure what I would do when I get back? I am solo, so nobody to hold the bike while I scramble to get things set.
I thought I could lean the bike against the wall, but that just sounds unwise. I love the girl, but I dont want her 700lb ass falling over on me while I fondle and fumble around under her.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2018, 08:55:46 AM » |
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2018, 09:21:58 AM » |
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Disassemble the side stand.
Place a nut on top of the broken bolt.
Weld inside the nut to the top of the broken bolt.
Now you have a new bolt head to remove bolt with.
Replace with new parts.
Order two bolts.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2018, 09:54:36 AM » |
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The bolt (post) that the spring is attached to is broken. Probably not all the way through but will be soon and then you will lose the spring. Replace now
This. Mine went two weeks ago, ordered the bolt from my local dealer and had it in two days. You could tie/bungee it up for a ride. You're stressing over a very simple fix. Unscrew the broken end of the bolt with the attached nut, install new bolt, washer and nut, reinstall spring. In the interim bungee the stand up for a ride, lower it to park. The stand is not broken, just the spring bolt. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2018, 10:09:09 AM » |
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The bolt (post) that the spring is attached to is broken. Probably not all the way through but will be soon and then you will lose the spring. Replace now
This. Mine went two weeks ago, ordered the bolt from my local dealer and had it in two days. You could tie/bungee it up for a ride. You're stressing over a very simple fix. Unscrew the broken end of the bolt with the attached nut, install new bolt, washer and nut, reinstall spring. In the interim bungee the stand up for a ride, lower it to park. The stand is not broken, just the spring bolt. Your are probably right, it most likely broke at the top of the hex. |
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2018, 11:03:11 AM » |
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update- So I went back to the garage and tried again to understand what was happening. I pushed the stand in and out a few times, and then I looked down and there was the spring laying on the floor. The spring bolt broke, but not where the spring rests. That area looks solid. It was the threaded part of the bolt that goes through the stand frame that broke. So now it is an oh shlt moment. Will I have to drill out the bolt that is broken in the stand housing? I will probably just buy a whole new assembly at that point. I guess riding is out for a little while. I will have to settle for taking her 4 wheeled flat six sister for a couple of weeks until I resolve this sidestand issue  Not riding for a couple weeks would not be an option when a bungee will do. When mine broke I went ACE hardware and bought a handful of parts, made a new post and installed it. Took a couple hours and I had no clue what I was doing, I guess I was too stupid to know it was supposed to be hard |
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2018, 06:50:02 PM » |
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mine broke inside the threads as well. I got it out from the top unscrewing it but not a lot of room to get in there and do it.
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RonW
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2018, 11:52:32 PM » |
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That transition (x) is a stress point. And the threaded shank should have been a larger M10. If it's a M6, it should be M8. So forth.  |
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2018, 02:44:20 AM » |
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Mine was limp (side stand) when I stopped to fill up. Rode back home took a look and found the spring holding bolt bent. All the parts still there. Trying to figure out why I pushed my Craftsman lift under the bike (98 Tourer) if pushed too far under the bike it would make contact with the spring holding bolt. I was lucky to have bent mine not breaking it.
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Valkyrja
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2018, 05:37:49 AM » |
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I ordered the bolt washer and nut. As I look at the bolt, it looks so damn inadequate, as others have mentioned. Such a tiny bolt taking all that force makes no sense. I wonder if a grade 8 bolt with maybe a collar would prove to be a stronger fix than the original? Sounds like Chrisj did something along those lines.
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2018, 06:42:04 AM » |
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I ordered the bolt washer and nut. As I look at the bolt, it looks so damn inadequate, as others have mentioned. Such a tiny bolt taking all that force makes no sense. I wonder if a grade 8 bolt with maybe a collar would prove to be a stronger fix than the original? Sounds like Chrisj did something along those lines.
I think it was designed that way for a reason. You don’t want it so strong that it’s going to do more damage if it’s hit. A new spring is probably a good idea also. |
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2018, 08:06:29 AM » |
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mine broke inside the threads as well. I got it out from the top unscrewing it but not a lot of room to get in there and do it.
Yeah, I also was able to get the broken end out without too much trouble; no need to drill it out. |
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2018, 08:38:04 AM » |
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I ordered the bolt washer and nut. As I look at the bolt, it looks so damn inadequate, as others have mentioned. Such a tiny bolt taking all that force makes no sense. I wonder if a grade 8 bolt with maybe a collar would prove to be a stronger fix than the original? Sounds like Chrisj did something along those lines.
That's exactly what I did. Plus I made the collar fit tight in the hole of the keeper. The factory one is considerably skinnier so it can flex back and forth more contributing to the eventual breakage |
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Valkyrja
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2018, 10:49:01 AM » |
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So these are the parts I ordered: 50536-MZ0-010 - HOOK, SPRING 1 $4.57 50541-MT3-610 - SPRING, SIDE STAND 1 $7.41 90301-MG3-000 - NUT, U (6MM) 1 $4.87 94101-06700 - WASHER, PLAIN (6MM) 1 $0.61 Subtotal: $17.46 Shipping & Handling: $7.95 Total: $25.41 I did find a thread below discussing the merits of going to a grade 8 bolt instead of the original parts. I never knew that metric grade 8 is SAE grade 5, or so it is said in this thread below: http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,96749.0.htmlI will change out the parts and hopefully if goes smooth. I will put a glop of lithium grease on the spring post too. |
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