Nico
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El Diablo !!!
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« on: July 27, 2018, 08:01:39 AM » |
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So, I am doing a carb rebuild this weekend, using the redeye kit, and I have a quick question.
When you do the rebuild, do you do ONE WHOLE carb, changing out all rings, gaskets, etc. then move on to the next......
Or do you change all six of one item from the kit and then do all six of the next item, etc.?????
I know how I think it should be done, but I am interested in how others have done it and if that process worked or didn't.
Thanks,
Nico
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Roidfingers
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2018, 08:46:21 AM » |
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I complete one carb at a time, other than the bowls. Then after final inspection. I put the bowls on.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2018, 10:15:12 AM » |
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It depends. If you want to get it done this weekend forget about one carb at at time.
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Dusty
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2018, 06:20:02 PM » |
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It's nice to do one at a time so when you put it back together wrong you have 5 samples to check how to put it together right  I like to only do the job once. Dusty |
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Roidfingers
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2018, 04:36:41 AM » |
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I don't really see the difference, really. If you put one jet in all the carbs and then another one on all the carbs or just do the jets on one and then go to the next one. Usually I'll do bowl side first and then flip bank over and do float side.
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9Ball
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2018, 05:18:41 AM » |
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Are you doing just a cleaning or are you doing the whole rebuild separating the carbs from the each other and installing new o-rings on the fuel and air rails?
I just completed this total overhaul two weeks ago. I disassembled the carb bank and marked each carb body with its number so I didn’t mix anything up.
I stripped each carb and put the parts into #1 to #6 labeled bags. Removed the gaskets from the carb bowls as they were really stuck in place. Removed all the bad o-rings and gaskets. Kept all the parts separated by the matching body.
I then cleaned all the carb bodies thoroughly. This allowed me to get the dirtiest part of the job done with a good set of chemical resistant gloves. Take your time here and make sure every orifice is cleaned.
I then assembled them one at a time replacing all the jets, pilots, float valves with new parts. I also replaced all the screws with new that Rich at redeyetech sells. This was a good call and I recommend that you do this.
Word of advice...careful with removing, then installing the air cut valve screws. If possible, recommend using a JIS screwdriver. If not, these screws are welded in place due to the type of screw and process that Mother Honda used to install them. Follow redeyetech instructions to a “T” with bottoming out new screws otherwise you risk stripping the threads and then you have bigger problems. If you run into trouble removing them, feel free to pm me and I can give you a lead on how I ended up removing the three worst stuck screws.
It’s a tedious job but one well worth doing...don’t take shortcuts...good luck.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2018, 11:27:09 AM » |
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Depends.......if I am in an anal mood (generally my mood!!), I finish one at a time, and make sure everything is correct. Then move onto the next. If in a "rush" mood?? Who knows what will happen!!!  |
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2018, 08:13:44 AM » |
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I just completely rebuild the carbs on my 99 interstate. Here is the breakdown. I didn't drive it much last year so naturally the carbs got all gummed up. I pulled the entire carb bank out which is actually easy if you know a few tricks. Cleaned all the carbs and replaced. Ran great and seeing as I did not fiddle with the adjustments a sync was not needed. So now this spring I went to start and gas poured out everywhere. I tried to flush the needle clear by blowing air into the fuel inlet but even that did not work. So I pulled the carb bank once again and found the feed tube O rings have hardened to the point they no longer sealed so I had to loosen the two rear carbs from the rest and install new O rings. I also replaced all the float needles as the ends were hard and deformed. Once reassembled and back together #3 was out of sync so the gauges went on for a trim up. Right now it runs and idles perfect and is set to go for the rest of the season. I guess I have to make a point of riding this one more to avoid more of the same.
This bike has over 174k on it right now and should be good for at least another 100k. Besides the carbs I did replace the driveshaft once.
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9Ball
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2018, 01:57:41 AM » |
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How was #3 carb out of sync? That’s the base carb that all others are set against. Just wondering what you were explaining. Sounds like all are now properly adjusted, so good job...
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2018, 06:45:28 AM » |
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My word of advice from personal experience doing a complete overhaul of all 6 on my ‘99 IS a few months ago (the bike sat for a year and a half before I bought it. Running strong cleaner through after a few tanks got her running better, but several gaskets were leaking) is to not to take any shortcuts while cleaning regardless of how you choose to do it. I used canned carb cleaner and compressed air to blow through all of the passages and missed some, or perhaps barely got them opened and later some dislodged crap replugged the carbs. It ran worse after the rebuild because of what I assume was dislodged crap that plugged the passages. She was backfiring lean even after replacing all hoses and verifying there weren’t any vacuum leaks. Either way, after all the work, I found myself having to pull and reclean the carbs. Summertime heat in the South Texas sun had me to the point of wanting to hurry up and finish the cleaning.
Take your time amd make sure the carbs are meticulously clean. I regret not doing that the first time and it cost me valuable riding time as well as several headaches. She runs great now, but don’t rush the process and clean THOROUGHLY!
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2018, 03:31:43 PM » |
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Best advice I read here was to buy real JIS screw drivers. I was able to remove all 66 "Phillips heads" without marring a single one. I cleaned all six carbs together and used 18 numbered paper cups to keep all the parts organized.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2018, 05:51:58 PM » |
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I did one side at a time on a clean sheet of alloy  if any screws have distorted heads tap the head with a large headed punch to flatten the bur and tap the screwdriver in to reshape with the correct JIS screwdriver  I didn't split the carbs first time out but should have as the O-Rings on the fuel rails leaked not that long after doing the carbs so had to pull them and split them to replace all the O-Rings |
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2018, 07:51:37 PM » |
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I found the best deal on a set of JIS screwdrivers on Amazon for less than 20 dollars delivered with Prime. It’s one of my best tool investments ever!
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2018, 02:07:33 AM » |
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I found the best deal on a set of JIS screwdrivers on Amazon for less than 20 dollars delivered with Prime. It’s one of my best tool investments ever!
I'm thinking most of us already own one, in the OEM tool kit. |
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Nico
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El Diablo !!!
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2018, 01:35:44 PM » |
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Did the complete rebuild! Took all apart and did one complete carb at a time. The redeye kit is great and I had no problems by going slow and being methodical. the carb bank is all back together and will be going back in soon.
Thanks for all the input.
Nico
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CleoBen
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2018, 02:48:03 PM » |
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I found the best deal on a set of JIS screwdrivers on Amazon for less than 20 dollars delivered with Prime. It’s one of my best tool investments ever!
What is a JIS Screwdriver? I searched the phrase on Amazon and got zero matches. CB |
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The emperor has no clothes
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2018, 03:19:36 PM » |
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I found the best deal on a set of JIS screwdrivers on Amazon for less than 20 dollars delivered with Prime. It’s one of my best tool investments ever!
What is a JIS Screwdriver? I searched the phrase on Amazon and got zero matches. CB I don't recall exactly the acronym. Something like Japanese Industrial Standard ? Basically (in butchers terms) it's slightly different than our regular Phillips head. As Bill said we all got one with our OEM tool kits. And if you have any kits from 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, etc. you probably have more. I've found grinding down the tip on some regular Phillips helps them fit better. |
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Leathel
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2018, 03:20:22 PM » |
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I found the best deal on a set of JIS screwdrivers on Amazon for less than 20 dollars delivered with Prime. It’s one of my best tool investments ever!
What is a JIS Screwdriver? I searched the phrase on Amazon and got zero matches. CB Japanese industrial standard https://wrenchandspanner.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/jis-vs-phillips/ |
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2018, 07:57:36 PM » |
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That 4 piece Hozan set is the one I got. Now I use the 2 larger ones all the time. |
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