InZane XIX... location and dates...

[Ken aka Oil Burner]

2,200 miles away, but never say never!

[gordonv]

(Sorry, I'm pretty sure I got it, but I get the impression staff would prefer we not try to publicly guess at the specific venue to avoid issues with folks trying to book outside the system agreed to with the venue.)

In this instance, with the whole Hotel reserved, it most likely wouldn't matter, except if it doesn't sell out by the end of the reservation hold day. But keeping it secret is more in keeping with past events.

Interesting, Four Corners Monument is 273 miles/5 hrs away. Looks like a nice circle trip for a long days ride.

[sdv003]

Looking forward to it.  It will Inzane I for me!

[Rams]

The Stars will have to line up precisely.
Other priorities must also be addressed.
We'll see what happens.

Appreciate getting the location announced as soon as it was.   Thanks.

Rams

[..]

(Sorry, I'm pretty sure I got it, but I get the impression staff would prefer we not try to publicly guess at the specific venue to avoid issues with folks trying to book outside the system agreed to with the venue.)

In this instance, with the whole Hotel reserved, it most likely wouldn't matter, except if it doesn't sell out by the end of the reservation hold day. But keeping it secret is more in keeping with past events.

Interesting, Four Corners Monument is 273 miles/5 hrs away. Looks like a nice circle trip for a long days ride.

Four Corners is a tourist trap full of crap for sale.

My short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0LvJZJR-P0

[John Schmidt]

Back in the mid '90's we spent three vacations out there with two other couples on our Wings. One couple had a "cabin"(some cabin, over 2000sq. ft.) in the Angel Fire ski resort area at about the 9800' level and we'd spend most of two weeks taking day trips from there, using the cabin as a jumping off place. The second week we always would take a 3-4 day ride up into Colorado, plenty of good riding there as well. Going west out of Taos toward Chama, you'll cross some pretty good peaks, and we always ran into some free range cattle near the top. There's quite a large canyon about 7 miles west of Taos, almost like a miniature Grand Canyon. Someone once joked that the way it was created was a local resident dropped a penny down a prarie dog hole and some politician went looking for it. There's plenty to see and do within a days ride out and back, Santa Fe is only 70 miles south and used to have a "farmer's market" type set up for the local native Americans to sell their wares, might still exist. We bought some matching leather jackets and I picked up a handmade SS ring for just a couple bucks. Scenery galore, especially backroads, going east on 64 you can take what's known as the Enchanted Circle ride, stop and see the Viet Nam memorial just up the road from Angel Fire resort. One of the little towns on that ride is kinda unique, you can still see bullet holes in the ceiling from the old wild west drunks getting crazy. Look up the Enchanted Circle, it's a neat ride. Lots of memories for me, hope I can make it, time will tell.  It's nearly 1800 miles one way.

As always staff....you've made a good choice.

[Serk]

Four Corners is a tourist trap full of crap for sale.

Yup, heard that before... But.... Four Corners would be the quickest and easiest way for me to add 2 more states to my "States Ridden In" map... Otherwise I've already ridden in NM and CO... (Which I love to ride in, don't misunderestimate me!)

[..]

Four Corners is a tourist trap full of crap for sale.

Yup, heard that before... But.... Four Corners would be the quickest and easiest way for me to add 2 more states to my "States Ridden In" map... Otherwise I've already ridden in NM and CO... (Which I love to ride in, don't misunderestimate me!)

Does sticking a front tire across a state line really classify as "riding in the state" 

[DirtyDan]

Four Corners is a tourist trap full of crap for sale.

Yup, heard that before... But.... Four Corners would be the quickest and easiest way for me to add 2 more states to my "States Ridden In" map... Otherwise I've already ridden in NM and CO... (Which I love to ride in, don't misunderestimate me!)

Does sticking a front tire across a state line really classify as "riding in the state" 

I rode a moped in Mexico

I never claimed to have “ridden” Mexico

Dan

[f6gal]

(Sorry, I'm pretty sure I got it, but I get the impression staff would prefer we not try to publicly guess at the specific venue to avoid issues with folks trying to book outside the system agreed to with the venue.)

In this instance, with the whole Hotel reserved, it most likely wouldn't matter, except if it doesn't sell out by the end of the reservation hold day. But keeping it secret is more in keeping with past events.

Interesting, Four Corners Monument is 273 miles/5 hrs away. Looks like a nice circle trip for a long days ride.

The hotel contact info is given once one registers.  

Before we started holding back hotel info, people would reserve rooms just in case they decide to go... or for their friends that might go.  This resulted in a bunch of cancellations at the last minute, that left us not meeting our commitment for room nights.  It also caused people who really did go, to have to stay off site, because the hotel was "sold out."  We've tried to rectify these issues by having people register before they can book a room.  

[baldo]

The hotel contact info is given once one registers.  

Before we started holding back hotel info, people would reserve rooms just in case they decide to go... or for their friends that might go.  This resulted in a bunch of cancellations at the last minute, that left us not meeting our commitment for room nights.  It also caused people who really did go, to have to stay off site, because the hotel was "sold out."  We've tried to rectify these issues by having people register before they can book a room.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucz9eV7Eh0s

[Valkorado]

Think I can make this one on a tank of gas!

[Tailgate Tommy]

Sweet! Thank you staff!

[Dennis from Blythe]

Nice,  just a day's ride at 696 miles from Blythe   

Ha ! Only 662 for us Dennis. Probably do 2 days though, 400 is about Brenda’s tipping point.

Yes Rob, 400 miles on the Valkyrie. But Brenda may go all the way riding on your new red Goldwing 

[Gryphon]

Outstanding! Some of my very favorite stomping grounds!

Woot!

I might even have shoulders by then :/

Glad to hear it Daniel.  The wife hopes to finish rehab on her shoulder this October.  She plans to be able to make it this year.  800 miles from my house. Easy 2 day trip.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Nice,  just a day's ride at 696 miles from Blythe   

Ha ! Only 662 for us Dennis. Probably do 2 days though, 400 is about Brenda’s tipping point.

Yes Rob, 400 miles on the Valkyrie. But Brenda may go all the way riding on your new red Goldwing 

(She hasn’t went “all the way” in many a moon) 

[Dennis from Blythe]

Nice,  just a day's ride at 696 miles from Blythe   

Ha ! Only 662 for us Dennis. Probably do 2 days though, 400 is about Brenda’s tipping point.

Yes Rob, 400 miles on the Valkyrie. But Brenda may go all the way riding on your new red Goldwing 

(She hasn’t went “all the way” in many a moon) 

See, that's why you need that new Goldwing 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Nice,  just a day's ride at 696 miles from Blythe   

Ha ! Only 662 for us Dennis. Probably do 2 days though, 400 is about Brenda’s tipping point.

Yes Rob, 400 miles on the Valkyrie. But Brenda may go all the way riding on your new red Goldwing 

(She hasn’t went “all the way” in many a moon) 

See, that's why you need that new Goldwing 

I guess I’ll have to ask John how it’s affecting Donna 

[Prescott John]

Donna much prefers the shiny new red Goldwing.  I can't even get her on the Valkyrie any more.

[fudgie]

Four Corners is a tourist trap full of crap for sale.

Yup, heard that before... But.... Four Corners would be the quickest and easiest way for me to add 2 more states to my "States Ridden In" map... Otherwise I've already ridden in NM and CO... (Which I love to ride in, don't misunderestimate me!)

Not really. Unless you ride around the whole monument. The parking lot is in the New Mexico side and you got to walk to the "4 corners". The parking lot is not really CT friendly.

[Pappy!]

Wow.....1761 miles to get there. Things that make ya' go hmmm.

[fudgie]

(Sorry, I'm pretty sure I got it, but I get the impression staff would prefer we not try to publicly guess at the specific venue to avoid issues with folks trying to book outside the system agreed to with the venue.)

In this instance, with the whole Hotel reserved, it most likely wouldn't matter, except if it doesn't sell out by the end of the reservation hold day. But keeping it secret is more in keeping with past events.

Interesting, Four Corners Monument is 273 miles/5 hrs away. Looks like a nice circle trip for a long days ride.

I say its a lot longer then that. Your dealing with a lot of curves from Taos to Farmington NM. From there its straight roads thru the Rez. Its a lot of 30 mph for hours. I don't think it can be done in a day. Sun sets early in the mountains, then there is deer, elk, etc. Its an hour or so from Farmington to the 4 corners. Maybe 5-6 hrs to Taos. We just went thru there less then a month ago so it is still fresh in my head. We stayed in Farmington and then in Cimarron which is 30+ miles east of Taos.

[J.Mencalice]

Four Corners is a tourist trap full of crap for sale.

Yup, heard that before... But.... Four Corners would be the quickest and easiest way for me to add 2 more states to my "States Ridden In" map... Otherwise I've already ridden in NM and CO... (Which I love to ride in, don't misunderestimate me!)

Not really. Unless you ride around the whole monument. The parking lot is in the New Mexico side and you got to walk to the "4 corners". The parking lot is not really CT friendly.

The National Geodetic Survey has determined that the monument is 1807 feet east of where the actual intersections on all four states occur by way of modern scientific surveying methodology.
So, in reality, all of your prancing around that concrete marker is inaccurate and incorrect.  The four states arbitrarily accepted the location because they are too cheap to move the marker or build another one.   Tape measure anyone?

[Jess from VA]

Four Corners is a tourist trap full of crap for sale.

Yup, heard that before... But.... Four Corners would be the quickest and easiest way for me to add 2 more states to my "States Ridden In" map... Otherwise I've already ridden in NM and CO... (Which I love to ride in, don't misunderestimate me!)

Not really. Unless you ride around the whole monument. The parking lot is in the New Mexico side and you got to walk to the "4 corners". The parking lot is not really CT friendly.

The National Geodetic Survey has determined that the monument is 1807 feet east of where the actual intersections on all four states occur by way of modern scientific surveying methodology.
So, in reality, all of your prancing around that concrete marker is inaccurate and incorrect.  The four states arbitrarily accepted the location because they are too cheap to move the marker or build another one.   Tape measure anyone?

Well, this pretty well sums up the old adage.... good enough for government work.

http://www.suitcasesandsippycups.com/2016/01/is-four-corners-monument-worth-it.html

Today.


Yesterday.


Pass.

[Disco]

Is the monument is the correct location, or not?   

https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2013-07-01/four-corners-monument-quadripoint-maphead-ken-jennings

https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/INFO/fourcorners.shtml

[J.Mencalice]

Is the monument is the correct location, or not?  

https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2013-07-01/four-corners-monument-quadripoint-maphead-ken-jennings

https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/INFO/fourcorners.shtml

The concrete structure is located in it's correct place for the phony baloney tourist trap where people can straddle what they think is an intersection of all four states.  The actual, physical, and geodesic exact point of intersection is 1807 feet away to the west from that phony baloney metal disk.  It was laser sighted from satellites and referenced on the ground by the NGS; even compensating for the curvature of the earth (if you believe that the earth is not flat).
 
Plymouth Rock is not actually where the Pilgrims landed either. ???

So, why waste your time riding from Taos to there when there are so many more beautiful places to see in New Mexico and Colorado?  If you were to visit Mesa Verde National Park near Cortez, CO you will see that there was a sophisticated civilization long before the white man ever set foot there.  A short tour of the easily accessible Spruce Tree House is well worth the time.                                 

"And that's all I have to say about that."-Forrest Gump

[baldo]

 Tape measure anyone?

That's a REALLY BIG tape measure.....



Here, you can borrow mine....

[Gryphon Rider]

 Tape measure anyone?

That's a REALLY BIG tape measure.....



Here, you can borrow mine....

Really, baldo?  Of all the things to double post, you chose this one?

[baldo]

 Tape measure anyone?

That's a REALLY BIG tape measure.....



Here, you can borrow mine....

Really, baldo?  Of all the things to double post, you chose this one?

My bad. I realized mt error and corrected it forthwith (?)

[The emperor has no clothes]

 Tape measure anyone?

That's a REALLY BIG tape measure.....



Here, you can borrow mine....

Really, baldo?  Of all the things to double post, you chose this one?

My bad. I realized mt error and corrected it forthwith (?)

Ok, but where is this Mt. Error place ? 

[DarkSideR]

I'm lucky this year. 176 miles for me.

I will be there as a Vendor selling Brackets, and Headlights.

[baldo]

 Tape measure anyone?

That's a REALLY BIG tape measure.....



Here, you can borrow mine....

Really, baldo?  Of all the things to double post, you chose this one?

My bad. I realized mt error and corrected it forthwith (?)

Ok, but where is this Mt. Error place ? 

[mdalbert]

Awesome news.  I will get to make it and it will be my first Inzane. 

[ksmith50229]

Sweet  this will be a good ride jody has a lot of family in  Tucumcari, and Los Crucis,  might  swing through the red woods  on the way to windover NV , to see  others on the  way home  can't wait. 

[MarkT]

269 miles.  An easy day ride!  I could be a vendor with my smaller products, ride AND pull my HF trailer like last year, but then I give up the rides and fun stuff manning a table.  I don't NEED the money, while it would be helpful to y'all - but you can always order from me online and get stuff shipped.  Certainly selling there is a good idea as folks can see and handle the products and impulse-buy but then Inzane becomes WORK for me.  Dirty word.  Plus if wifey comes she will want to ride, not have me stuck in a booth.  Hmm.

[MarkT]

(Sorry, I'm pretty sure I got it, but I get the impression staff would prefer we not try to publicly guess at the specific venue to avoid issues with folks trying to book outside the system agreed to with the venue.)

In this instance, with the whole Hotel reserved, it most likely wouldn't matter, except if it doesn't sell out by the end of the reservation hold day. But keeping it secret is more in keeping with past events.

Interesting, Four Corners Monument is 273 miles/5 hrs away. Looks like a nice circle trip for a long days ride.

Four Corners is a tourist trap full of crap for sale.

My short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0LvJZJR-P0

Yep.  Four Corners is really stupid.  A made-up attraction, like the Two Headed Pig or World's Biggest Ball of Twine in Kansas.  Besides you'll get arrested if you try to have sex on the marker.

[F6Dave]

From what I've read, the intersection of CO/AZ/UT/NM was originally decreed to be where the 37th parallel crossed the 109th meridian.  A survey was performed in the 1800s that missed the location by about 1800 feet.  Actually that was very good considering the technology that was available back then.

I believe the 4 states have accepted the old survey boundaries as their legal borders, even though they aren't precisely at 37N 109W.  Apparently this is common.  When land is surveyed, corner markers are often not placed in precisely accurate locations, but the owners accept them as the legal boundaries.

This stuff is more fluid than I thought.  I recently learned that magnetic north moves around so much that airport runways at northern latitudes are often renumbered.

[baldo]

269 miles.  An easy day ride!  I could be a vendor with my smaller products, ride AND pull my HF trailer like last year, but then I give up the rides and fun stuff manning a table.  I don't NEED the money, while it would be helpful to y'all - but you can always order from me online and get stuff shipped.  Certainly selling there is a good idea as folks can see and handle the products and impulse-buy but then Inzane becomes WORK for me.  Dirty word.  Plus if wifey comes she will want to ride, not have me stuck in a booth.  Hmm.

If you decide to sell while there, could you just post that you'll be available just one or two mornings? You snooze, you lose....

[Serk]

269 miles.  An easy day ride!  I could be a vendor with my smaller products, ride AND pull my HF trailer like last year, but then I give up the rides and fun stuff manning a table.  I don't NEED the money, while it would be helpful to y'all - but you can always order from me online and get stuff shipped.  Certainly selling there is a good idea as folks can see and handle the products and impulse-buy but then Inzane becomes WORK for me.  Dirty word.  Plus if wifey comes she will want to ride, not have me stuck in a booth.  Hmm.

I don't wanna speak for staff, but maybe see if they'd put your stuff on the general merchandise table and handle sales for you some of the time?

Or maybe work something out with another vendor (Hi Darksider!) to trade off watching each other's stuff on alternate days or hours?

Just some thoughts...

As the number of vendors we have gets lower as our bikes get older we might have to get creative about such things.

[mbramley]

Thanks to the staff. Awesome you have gotten so much done so soon. 1570 miles for me. I think 2 days will work? I take it as a challenge to see how long my butt can stay in the saddle. It will be Inzane number 2 for me.