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« on: October 18, 2018, 05:28:18 PM » |
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2001 Valkyrie interstate I just brought it home and it started smoking, oil in air box. I am at a loss the bike has 31000 miles any ideas.
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2018, 05:43:49 PM » |
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A small amount of oil in the air box is normal. What color is the smoke. Bet it's not black.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2018, 06:20:49 PM » |
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Did it get tipped over in the move?
Have you drained the drool tube (or has it ever been drained)?
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Flaherty
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2018, 07:24:41 PM » |
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white smoke and it runes out a quart in 5 mins from tube from air box
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Bighead
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2018, 07:34:48 PM » |
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Is it overfilled? Just askin.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2018, 08:38:09 PM » |
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Give your location. There is someone near to help.
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Tfrank59
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2018, 09:40:36 PM » |
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white smoke and it runes out a quart in 5 mins from tube from air box
That's hard to understand as you've described it. if a whole quart actually ran out of the airbox, then is it now done draining? Is it possible the PO may have mistakenly dumped oil in there? Or else what Jess said--tipped over and backed up into airbox. Hope it is done doing that; otherwise there's something bad going on. Maybe pull each of the spark plugs and check color and if oil soaked. |
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Blackduck
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2018, 03:17:39 AM » |
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Sounds like it is pumping oil out the breather. Disconnect the hose from the breather to the air filter housing and check for excess blow by / oil
Check oil level.
Does it run smooth or rough?
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2018, 03:43:29 AM » |
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When you say it's smoking, where is the smoke coming from ? … exhaust system or around the engine area ? For any of us to help you, we need as much detail as possible.
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Flaherty
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2018, 05:44:46 AM » |
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Thanks advance for the help I am located in salt springs in the Ocala forest. Looking for a shop or mechanic that can work on this new motorcycle to me , It needs a clutch installed plus someone to figure out why it is pumping oil into the airbox. I have change the oil and taking off the air box to clean and And reinstalled. Still smoking out of tailpipes My phone number is 561-876-8801
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Flaherty
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2018, 06:20:36 AM » |
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Took the spark plugs out they were dry and OK. Checked oil levels when changed put 3 3/4 quarts in oil level was fine.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2018, 07:10:08 AM » |
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White smoke from the exhaust is usually antifreeze. It would pay to pull tank and air filter for a look see. Another pre check , with the bike running , hold your open hand or a piece of paper close behind the exhaust. If it tries to suck in , then you may have a valve lag of some kind. Try to get local help before going to a dealer. If the local bike mechanics are not familiar with a Valk , find someone who is.
my two cents worth before taxes
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2018, 07:32:13 AM » |
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What would cause a valve lag? My bike does that.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2018, 08:10:01 AM » |
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I am located in salt springs in the Ocala forest.
Hi Flaherty, you want to add your location in your profile so it's there for people to see when they see your avatar. Usually when you ask a question the replies come fast and furious, so check back early and help the thread along with more feed back. One other thing, we love to hear what the outcome was, keep it in the same thread, that way when someone else has the same problem, they get the lead up to a solution too. |
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Tfrank59
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2018, 09:08:53 AM » |
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Are you sure it needs a clutch? If it does at 31k something wrong there the PO must not have known how to ride or something. That might also explain why there's so much oil dripping out of it.  |
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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2018, 11:59:05 AM » |
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Are you sure it needs a clutch? If it does at 31k something wrong there the PO must not have known how to ride or something. That might also explain why there's so much oil dripping out of it. That was gonna be my next question,why in tarnation would it need a clutch in 31k miles? I have 120+ on mine , 0 problems yet. And I know there are some with waaaay more than that on the original. |
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2018, 12:00:56 PM » |
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Valve lag is either a tight valve or a timing issue. It is an old expression. If exhaust valve is not fully closed , you create a suction in the exhaust.
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2018, 02:22:52 PM » |
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Went to Honda motorcycle shop in Daytona they suggested to put Yamaha ring free into the cylinders and let it soak. On Tuesday I will pump it out , and have a concentration of ring free with gas and run it see if it will un stick the rings. After that I will check the valves. Any other comments are welcome  |
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2018, 02:41:47 PM » |
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Only reason I’m offering this is you mention a clutch. Most of the time the plates are good, but the dampener plate rivets shear. When this happens, the clutch won’t disengage fully and soon after it starts smoking like a WWII destroyer laying down a screen.
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2018, 03:47:25 PM » |
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Are you sure that mileage is correct?, could be on the second time round.
These speedo's only go to 100,000 the start again.
Thought I had seen in a post somewhere if the rivets shear they can block a passage and allow oil to build up in the rear case.
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2018, 07:22:53 PM » |
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Went to Honda motorcycle shop in Daytona they suggested to put Yamaha ring free into the cylinders and let it soak. On Tuesday I will pump it out , and have a concentration of ring free with gas and run it see if it will un stick the rings. After that I will check the valves. Any other comments are welcome Honda dealer recommended a Yamaha product  |
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2018, 04:31:27 AM » |
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I hate to ask, but I will. What oil are you using? Did you use any additives in the oil? If you think it sticky rings and it's sumping, I guess it would be nice to know how long this bike set without running? Did you do a compression check to make a sticky ring conclusion? As for the clutch, is there fluid in the system itself? Reservoir full?
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2018, 07:07:33 AM » |
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Went to Honda motorcycle shop in Daytona they suggested to put Yamaha ring free into the cylinders and let it soak. On Tuesday I will pump it out , and have a concentration of ring free with gas and run it see if it will un stick the rings. After that I will check the valves. Any other comments are welcome Honda dealer recommended a Yamaha product Which are OEMmed by the same company. I'd like to find another tube of Hondabond sealant. Our local multi-brand dealership only carries Yamabond 4 and 5...for all intents and purposes, same as the Honda product. Gray sticky snot is gray sticky snot, regardless of the label. |
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Flaherty
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2018, 03:29:27 PM » |
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Started the motorcycle today after getting out the ring free from the cylinders . Added the ring free in with the gasoline and ran the bike still smoked and poured oil out the tube for about 10 minutes and shut it off cleaned it up and ran it again. Rev the engine several times and then it finally the ring broke free. I will take to the shop tomorrow for them to check out the clutch. Thanks for the information
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2018, 03:36:50 PM » |
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That sounds like a good thing, but I would do a compression check on all 6 cylinders to see how well it is now.
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Blackduck
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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2018, 06:02:13 PM » |
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On the sealant, maybe Permatex Ultra Grey.
Oops, think I got it wrong Permatex Motoseal.
Cheers Steve
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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2018, 11:19:04 PM » |
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That sounds like a good thing, but I would do a compression check on all 6 cylinders to see how well it is now.
JIm
Yeah give us a follow-up on that one. I have not read of this situation with stuck rings before on this forum. It still doesn't make sense that it needs a clutch if it really only has 31,000 on it, just saying. |
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2018, 02:01:45 AM » |
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I had the same problem with my 91 Kawasaki Vulcan after it sat for about a year I sold the bike as is I was told it was not a big deal to fix but I have no idea what he did to free it up.
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2018, 04:35:31 AM » |
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Started the motorcycle today after getting out the ring free from the cylinders . Added the ring free in with the gasoline and ran the bike still smoked and poured oil out the tube for about 10 minutes and shut it off cleaned it up and ran it again. Rev the engine several times and then it finally the ring broke free. I will take to the shop tomorrow for them to check out the clutch. Thanks for the information
Have you been checking the oil level in the engine during all of this? |
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2018, 04:40:33 AM » |
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One would hope so. If it were pouring out for ten minutes I hope he was pouring oil in as it was running. It
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2018, 06:20:13 AM » |
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I change the oil with Honda GN4 10w40 using the proper amount before making any other decisions on future work.
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2018, 07:05:36 AM » |
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iof the Rivets Shear on the Damper plate the bits can block the scavenge oil screen to the scavenge oil pump. This will cause the clutch cavity to fill up with oil and pump out the breather. This also means that you are starving the rest of the engine for oil.
Step 1 remove the clutch cover and check the screen at the lower right side. if it is blocked thats your issue. If you see brass rivet bits in there then remove the clutch pack and replace the damper plate. Check everything else and replace parts as necessary.
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2018, 10:54:32 AM » |
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iof the Rivets Shear on the Damper plate the bits can block the scavenge oil screen to the scavenge oil pump. This will cause the clutch cavity to fill up with oil and pump out the breather. This also means that you are starving the rest of the engine for oil.
Step 1 remove the clutch cover and check the screen at the lower right side. if it is blocked thats your issue. If you see brass rivet bits in there then remove the clutch pack and replace the damper plate. Check everything else and replace parts as necessary.
This analysis really seems to connect all the dots. It takes into account the gushing oil, the smoking ( due to oil backing up), and the clutch issue. I hope the dealer you take your valk to knows enough to check out stuff like this. |
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2018, 11:28:02 AM » |
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Are you sure that mileage is correct?, could be on the second time round.
These speedo's only go to 100,000 the start again.
Thought I had seen in a post somewhere if the rivets shear they can block a passage and allow oil to build up in the rear case.
Interstate speedo's show 6 digits unlike standard or tourer models |
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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2018, 10:48:51 AM » |
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Please contact Bert aka valkoholic on the Florida board. He has resurrected many non running Valkyries, he lives in the Ocala Forrest too, or better yet post your issue on the Florida board.
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2018, 10:58:45 AM » |
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I just forwarded your phone number to Bert after I contacted him first on your behalf. He said he would be giving you a call soon.
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