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Fazer
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« on: May 07, 2019, 09:30:19 AM »

Not sure if this should be in the general forum or tech board, but here it is. 

After riding for a while at just about any speed, my right hand gets very buzzy.  All I have to do is let go of the right grip for about 30 seconds and it goes away.  Tried different gloves and Bob (Attic Rat) installed new grips for me in March.  I've tried lightening the grip and even use the palm knob that is on the new grip.  Does not happen with my left hand.  Anyone else have this experience?
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2019, 09:50:02 AM »

Not sure if this should be in the general forum or tech board, but here it is. 

After riding for a while at just about any speed, my right hand gets very buzzy.  All I have to do is let go of the right grip for about 30 seconds and it goes away.  Tried different gloves and Bob (Attic Rat) installed new grips for me in March.  I've tried lightening the grip and even use the palm knob that is on the new grip.  Does not happen with my left hand.  Anyone else have this experience?
Similar. I chalk it up to using a knife for 45 years. For long trips my cruise control is invaluable. What is your occupation ?
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 10:06:33 AM »

Rob--thanks for the note.  Signs and graphics.  can't imagine that is why I get buzzy.  Met you at Roanoke.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 10:22:39 AM »

Rob--thanks for the note.  Signs and graphics.  can't imagine that is why I get buzzy.  Met you at Roanoke.
cooldude I remember, couldn`t remember if we talked about work though. Yeah, it`s probably not due to your job. There might still be some NOS Audiovox cruise control units out there. Might be worth a try. I don`t use mine much, but I sure like having it.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2019, 10:27:55 AM »

I have a throttle lock--not cruise, but it lets me shake the bees out.  Curious, though it does not happen every time.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2019, 10:44:35 AM »

I suspect "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome". I had to have both wrists fixed.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2019, 10:47:11 AM »

I have a throttle lock--not cruise, but it lets me shake the bees out.  Curious, though it does not happen every time.
Valker is probably right. They can determine that pretty easily these days. cooldude
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2019, 11:08:27 AM »

I also experience this effect often (though not every time I ride).
I have some very bad neuropathy from spinal injuries in the military.
The resulting numbness and tingling are intermittent and vary in severity.
I was strongly cautioned by my doctors to be very careful about how often I use vibrating tools as they greatly exacerbate the effects of the nerve damage. I think that sometimes the minor vibrations through  the grips on my Valk have a similar effect.

Can’t imagine what it would be like if I were riding a Hardly Davidson...  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2019, 11:35:52 AM »

You're doing all the right things, especially if your new grips are barrel-shaped (requires less forceful grip to hold).  A lot of hand problems are rooted in shoulder and elbow issues, and stretching to reach the grips can trigger the issue.  Have you tried rotating the bars toward you?  Even an inch or so could help.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2019, 11:49:15 AM »

You're doing all the right things, especially if your new grips are barrel-shaped (requires less forceful grip to hold).  A lot of hand problems are rooted in shoulder and elbow issues, and stretching to reach the grips can trigger the issue.  Have you tried rotating the bars toward you?  Even an inch or so could help.

Ya I guess that’s why I get that sometimes too. Hand, wrist, elbow and shoulder issues. Oh well at least I can ride all day without pain
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2019, 01:37:25 PM »

Old school trick was to fill the bars with lead shot,,,,  never tried it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2019, 02:01:05 PM »

Not sure if this should be in the general forum or tech board, but here it is.  

After riding for a while at just about any speed, my right hand gets very buzzy.  All I have to do is let go of the right grip for about 30 seconds and it goes away.  Tried different gloves and Bob (Attic Rat) installed new grips for me in March.  I've tried lightening the grip and even use the palm knob that is on the new grip.  Does not happen with my left hand.  Anyone else have this experience?

Fazer, I've had the exact same (right hand only) problem a number of times over the years.  And I have no carpel tunnel or other neropathy/injury of the hand or wrist either.  Almost always at higher and longer sustained speeds, like at least an hour (more vibration/revs).  On pretty bone stock Valks, both with ISO grips, with throttle locks and bosses.  It was like the hand going to sleep, and tingling (eventually painful).  

Never the left hand, only the right.  I'd get relief from the lock (with the hand barely touching the grip), or slide my hand down and palm the boss and raise my hand off the grip.

I think it is the required looseness of the throttle sleeve under the grip, picking up vibration and transferring it to the hand (no sleeve on the left, no symptoms, ever).  I could never tell if the ISOs made it worse, though the rubbers should be a dampner, but maybe the way they sit down in the grips, they transfer the sleeve vibration worse than stock or solid grips (I dunno, I like them and never changed them).  I'm not talking Harley vibration, I'm talking tuning fork type vibration.

It hasn't happened to me in awhile but I haven't been putting in any hours-long freeway rides either.  I did have it happen at lower speeds a few times, but rarely.

I had some bike gloves that had an air pump on them (like some tennis shoes) and pumping up that glove helped a lot (but they wore out, and I never found them again).  

I can't remember it happening in my big heavy insulated winter gauntlets, but I don't do all that much cold riding anymore (and none for speed and distance).

They sell gel padded gloves.

This is not the first time this issue has come up.  The majority never have the problem, but enough guys have without apparent injury or neropathy that it's no individual fluke.

One more thing; I glue my ISOs on with clear RTV sealant (so I have time to position them before grip glue hardens, in 3 seconds).  It starts to come loose about once a year (not completely loose, just begins to slowly turn on the handlebar).  So I yank it off and glue it again.... but I have been really filling the grip up with RTV (much more than on the bar), so it spooges out the ISO rubbers when you slide it on, and I think this has cut down on vibration for me.



 
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2019, 03:02:44 PM »

Rob--thanks for the note.  Signs and graphics.  can't imagine that is why I get buzzy.  Met you at Roanoke.
cooldude I remember, couldn`t remember if we talked about work though. Yeah, it`s probably not due to your job. There might still be some NOS Audiovox cruise control units out there. Might be worth a try. I don`t use mine much, but I sure like having it.
I have installed many of the ccs-100 cruise control kits. They are fantastic. You can find them on amazon.com but are a little cheaper at murphskits.com (just do a search for “murphs kits” or “CCS-100”. I have them on both my valks. I find them invaluable. I’ve had carpel tunnel release surgery and basil reconstruction on both hands. It helped a lot but still need the relief.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2019, 03:08:39 PM »

I suspect "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome". I had to have both wrists fixed.
This 100%. Easy fix.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2019, 04:11:45 PM »

           Cramp buster first then 1" block risers-up and back equally-while they do help it still happens at times. LOTSA time ridin and guiding a big truck on some of The Worst Roads in America MAY have done some damage i am Not aware of. Course i also use all 3 sets of pegs-road standard and passenger-to help alleviate the fun stuff now goin on with my hip joints. Gittin old ain't fer wussies.  cooldude RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2019, 07:44:47 AM »

Thanks for all the comments.  No carpel tunnel and I do have a cramp buster integrated with the grips Attic Rat installed.  Appears this is not a problem unique to me.  Valk runs great, very smooth.

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2019, 08:26:43 AM »

I have managed this problem since returning to riding in 97.  I have several causes for it - being a geek for a decade beforehand caused carpal tunnel.  Hypothyroidism and diabetes both cause neuropathy in the hands and feet and I have both issues.  When I used to hang glide, flying at minimum sink requires pushing out on the control bar - pressure on the palms aggravating the numbness, I flew with hands asleep.  Often flights would last hours, flying ridge lift when winds are steady, and thermals when not.  Hand numbness - especially the right hand - was a constant problem on the bike.

I have Kuryakyn iso-grips on Deerslayer - might help some but not a lot.  Getting long risers to bring the bars back - then rotating them down so your wrists are straight - helps considerably. Not having to reach for the bars does a lot to prevent shoulder and back pain - so does a great seat - a Russell. Minimize grip pressure - a light touch helps a lot.  I have Brakeaway throttle locks on the Valks to rest the hand.  I installed a Rostra electronic cruise control on Jade - and use it a lot.  With all these mods and care to keep palm pressure light, I rarely have to deal with it anymore.  And I never had the surgery for the carpal tunnel.  My finger tips are numb right now - and much of the time.  But rarely is it worsened by the bikes.
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