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had it, may currently have it, or possibly might get diagnosed with it....... Found a couple of interesting resources for information relative to prostates and prostate cancer. First one is a FREE online PDF file or they will send you a free booklet in the mail on the subject which is easy to understand and fairly comprehensive. https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/prostate-pcf-patient-guide-men/2019/05/13/id/915835/?ns_mail_uid=edfebed7-f8c8-45f2-a5ef-0502892bab6e&ns_mail_job=DM30665_05232019&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502kq3u6lSecond one is a website containing videos by Dr Mark Scholz of the Prostate Cancer Research Institute. Again, easy to understand, short (average 5-10 minutes each) and CURRENT. Most online videos I’ve found are anywhere from 2-9 years old depending on specific treatments while these have all been released since last December 2018 and I find more valid. https://pcri.org/#welcomeDisclaimer: I am NOT a doctor, never played a doctor on TV (may have played one when I was 4 or 5 years old but that’s another story), NOT recommending any form of treatment, NOT suggesting whether you should or should not get treatment etc……just sharing some information I found interesting, current and hopefully helpful. |
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2019, 07:49:25 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2019, 08:00:48 AM » |
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Thanks for posting that bassman. It is important that all men be aware of the risk and the most up to date treatment options. Survival depends on early detection and treatment.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2019, 11:45:47 AM » |
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Interesting article but it is from March 2010 like much of the information available online......I am just sharing what I found that is more current....attitudes and thoughts may have changed over the last 9 years.... |
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2019, 02:13:24 PM » |
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Interesting article but it is from March 2010 like much of the information available online......I am just sharing what I found that is more current....attitudes and thoughts may have changed over the last 9 years.... its the doctor who invented the PSA test. he tells u the truth. why would u deny what he says because it was 10 yrs ago? anything recent is to make u a test subject money maker for the doctors and insurance companies. prostate many times has low grade bacterial infections which actually show up as inflammation hence higher psa #. the infection is the major issue with prostate problems. this is what should be researched. medical books of the 1930-40s suggested prostate massage once or twice per month by the wife. sex at least once per wk to keep the prostate healthy. no money to be made by the medical industry with those medical books. lowering ones cholesterol lowers testosterone, lower test allows certain types of estrogen to attack the prostate causing higher psa #s. all of this can be easily researched. Dr Williams is one such person to read https://www.faim.org/the-prostate-cancer-machinemyself, proper nutrition and supplements mainly 50-100 mgs of zinc, proper fats, certain herbs which rid the prostate of low grade bacterial infections and certain testosterone boosters per day. 60 yrs old and my psa is 0.5 and has been for the past 5+ yrs. |
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"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2019, 03:17:11 PM » |
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Interesting article but it is from March 2010 like much of the information available online......I am just sharing what I found that is more current....attitudes and thoughts may have changed over the last 9 years.... its the doctor who invented the PSA test. he tells u the truth. why would u deny what he says because it was 10 yrs ago? anything recent is to make u a test subject money maker for the doctors and insurance companies. prostate many times has low grade bacterial infections which actually show up as inflammation hence higher psa #. the infection is the major issue with prostate problems. this is what should be researched. medical books of the 1930-40s suggested prostate massage once or twice per month by the wife. sex at least once per wk to keep the prostate healthy. no money to be made by the medical industry with those medical books. lowering ones cholesterol lowers testosterone, lower test allows certain types of estrogen to attack the prostate causing higher psa #s. all of this can be easily researched. Dr Williams is one such person to read https://www.faim.org/the-prostate-cancer-machinemyself, proper nutrition and supplements mainly 50-100 mgs of zinc, proper fats, certain herbs which rid the prostate of low grade bacterial infections and certain testosterone boosters per day. 60 yrs old and my psa is 0.5 and has been for the past 5+ yrs. The Dr Williams article appears to have been originally published in Aug 2009 and ONE of the articles cited from the N ENG J Med 09; 360: 1310-1319 appears to cover the period 1993-2001. Again, I'll just keep my head in the sand and opt for something more current for ME which does not imply or suggest your particular path is wrong for YOU. It sounds like you have an excellent health plan that is working well for you. CONGRATULATIONS! Keep up the good work and I wish you the very best in the future. Keep checking that PSA and you are in great shape if you can keep it at 0.5 - that's awesome. Be well my friend ! |
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2019, 04:01:55 PM » |
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Interesting article but it is from March 2010 like much of the information available online......I am just sharing what I found that is more current....attitudes and thoughts may have changed over the last 9 years.... its the doctor who invented the PSA test. he tells u the truth. why would u deny what he says because it was 10 yrs ago? anything recent is to make u a test subject money maker for the doctors and insurance companies. prostate many times has low grade bacterial infections which actually show up as inflammation hence higher psa #. the infection is the major issue with prostate problems. this is what should be researched. medical books of the 1930-40s suggested prostate massage once or twice per month by the wife. sex at least once per wk to keep the prostate healthy. no money to be made by the medical industry with those medical books. lowering ones cholesterol lowers testosterone, lower test allows certain types of estrogen to attack the prostate causing higher psa #s. all of this can be easily researched. Dr Williams is one such person to read https://www.faim.org/the-prostate-cancer-machinemyself, proper nutrition and supplements mainly 50-100 mgs of zinc, proper fats, certain herbs which rid the prostate of low grade bacterial infections and certain testosterone boosters per day. 60 yrs old and my psa is 0.5 and has been for the past 5+ yrs. The Dr Williams article appears to have been originally published in Aug 2009 and ONE of the articles cited from the N ENG J Med 09; 360: 1310-1319 appears to cover the period 1993-2001. Again, I'll just keep my head in the sand and opt for something more current for ME which does not imply or suggest your particular path is wrong for YOU. It sounds like you have an excellent health plan that is working well for you. CONGRATULATIONS! Keep up the good work and I wish you the very best in the future. Keep checking that PSA and you are in great shape if you can keep it at 0.5 - that's awesome. Be well my friend ! but u will trust a test developed in the early 1980's, and the Dr who developed it talks against its use? but u dismissed reports by doctors because they are 10 yrs old. I have been following their protocol and others for almost 20yrs. The PSA test was developed in the early 1980s. Later, with endorsements from several celebrities and a major marketing propaganda effort, PSA testing became widespread, even though there was no legitimate research to support the idea that early detection and treatment did anything to save lives. The number of diagnosed cases of prostate cancer skyrocketed in this country. European countries didn't adopt the PSA screening programs, because of the lack of supporting research that it actually saved any lives. Unlike in this country, their incidence rates stayed the same – and, not surprisingly, our mortality rates are still about the same as theirs. The PSA test measures a protein that the prostate produces when it's inflamed. Although the initial research only suggested that higher PSA levels might be connected to prostate cancer, there is an ever-growing amount of research to suggest that higher PSA levels are more closely linked to an enlarged prostate and the associated inflammation than to prostate cancer. This fact, however, hasn't stopped the unnecessary treatment of hundreds of thousands of men for prostate cancer. |
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"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2019, 05:53:20 PM » |
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Interesting article but it is from March 2010 like much of the information available online......I am just sharing what I found that is more current....attitudes and thoughts may have changed over the last 9 years.... its the doctor who invented the PSA test. he tells u the truth. why would u deny what he says because it was 10 yrs ago? anything recent is to make u a test subject money maker for the doctors and insurance companies. prostate many times has low grade bacterial infections which actually show up as inflammation hence higher psa #. the infection is the major issue with prostate problems. this is what should be researched. medical books of the 1930-40s suggested prostate massage once or twice per month by the wife. sex at least once per wk to keep the prostate healthy. no money to be made by the medical industry with those medical books. lowering ones cholesterol lowers testosterone, lower test allows certain types of estrogen to attack the prostate causing higher psa #s. all of this can be easily researched. Dr Williams is one such person to read https://www.faim.org/the-prostate-cancer-machinemyself, proper nutrition and supplements mainly 50-100 mgs of zinc, proper fats, certain herbs which rid the prostate of low grade bacterial infections and certain testosterone boosters per day. 60 yrs old and my psa is 0.5 and has been for the past 5+ yrs. The Dr Williams article appears to have been originally published in Aug 2009 and ONE of the articles cited from the N ENG J Med 09; 360: 1310-1319 appears to cover the period 1993-2001. Again, I'll just keep my head in the sand and opt for something more current for ME which does not imply or suggest your particular path is wrong for YOU. It sounds like you have an excellent health plan that is working well for you. CONGRATULATIONS! Keep up the good work and I wish you the very best in the future. Keep checking that PSA and you are in great shape if you can keep it at 0.5 - that's awesome. Be well my friend ! but u will trust a test developed in the early 1980's, and the Dr who developed it talks against its use? but u dismissed reports by doctors because they are 10 yrs old. I have been following their protocol and others for almost 20yrs. The PSA test was developed in the early 1980s. Later, with endorsements from several celebrities and a major marketing propaganda effort, PSA testing became widespread, even though there was no legitimate research to support the idea that early detection and treatment did anything to save lives. The number of diagnosed cases of prostate cancer skyrocketed in this country. European countries didn't adopt the PSA screening programs, because of the lack of supporting research that it actually saved any lives. Unlike in this country, their incidence rates stayed the same – and, not surprisingly, our mortality rates are still about the same as theirs. The PSA test measures a protein that the prostate produces when it's inflamed. Although the initial research only suggested that higher PSA levels might be connected to prostate cancer, there is an ever-growing amount of research to suggest that higher PSA levels are more closely linked to an enlarged prostate and the associated inflammation than to prostate cancer. This fact, however, hasn't stopped the unnecessary treatment of hundreds of thousands of men for prostate cancer. It goes like this: PSA above 5 means a doctor will recommend that a man has a biopsy. If there are cancer cells, the pathologist will give it a score ranging from 2 to 10. 10 is the most aggressive cancer. The biopsy results determine the path forward; treatment or no. Now you can't give every man an annual biopsy, but everyone can do the blood test. I said I had personal experience. My treatment took 22 months and was successful. I would advise seeking medical advice from doctors, not bikers. read the article by a Doctor/s. it is now a money making scheme by scaring men who no know difference. enjoy. Hosea 4:6 My people perish for lack of knowledge. |
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"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2019, 05:55:45 PM » |
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Just had my first hormone injection a couple weeks ago. The intent is to reduce the level of testosterone which this particular type of cancer feeds on(simplified explanation). I'll start radiation about mid-August. I was told the shots would have side effects but nothing so far....except these new high heels I got Saturday are killing my feet.   Re. scores relating to the biopsy, my Gleason scores were up there. If my home life had been a little more condusive to quick treament, I'd be well into it by now. |
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2019, 04:24:47 AM » |
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Just had my first hormone injection a couple weeks ago. The intent is to reduce the level of testosterone which this particular type of cancer feeds on(simplified explanation). I'll start radiation about mid-August. I was told the shots would have side effects but nothing so far....except these new high heels I got Saturday are killing my feet. Re. scores relating to the biopsy, my Gleason scores were up there. If my home life had been a little more condusive to quick treament, I'd be well into it by now. you need new doctors here is research you can peruse. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4647137/ test is not a problem estrogen is the problem https://www.dailymedicaldiscoveries.com/can-estrogen-cause-prostate-cancer/https://www.peaktestosterone.com/High_Estradiol_Prostate_Cancer_BPH.aspx Estradiol Likely Fuels Prostate Cancer. Some researchers have long protested the idea that testosterone is the primary culprit in prostate cancer. They have noted that prostate cancer risk increases in one's middle and senior years, right when testosterone is generally decreasing and estradiol is generally rising: [6] Minerva Endocrinol. 2006 Mar;31(1):1-12, "Aromatase and prostate cancer" https://drtracygapin.com/testosterone-and-prostate-cancer/A study by European Urology found that some men diagnosed with cancer did not have a progression of disease when taking testosterone therapy. This suggests that testosterone could help prevent prostate cancer from developing further. Because of this success, the study concluded, “it appears reasonable to offer testosterone therapy in selected individuals with a history of prostate cancer.” Because of this success, the study concluded, “it appears reasonable to offer testosterone therapy in selected individuals with a history of prostate cancer.” |
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"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2019, 05:24:35 PM » |
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I have personal experience. Let the doctor put his (or her) finger up your butt. Get your PSA (blood) test regularly. If it is high or has risen a lot recently, submit yourself to the biopsy. And, if it indicates there is any cancer present, get the treatment process going immediately. Find the expert Urologic Oncologist in your area and get on a treatment program. No time to waste.
I do also. And just an FYI, the caregiver who performed my last digital rectal exam commented that everything felt normal-nice and soft. I had a Biopsy of my prostate 4 weeks later and my numbers were very high leading to a year spent at MS Kettering. The point being, IMHO, trust the PSA, not so much the finger. |
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2019, 05:37:56 PM » |
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I have personal experience. Let the doctor put his (or her) finger up your butt. Get your PSA (blood) test regularly. If it is high or has risen a lot recently, submit yourself to the biopsy. And, if it indicates there is any cancer present, get the treatment process going immediately. Find the expert Urologic Oncologist in your area and get on a treatment program. No time to waste.
I have personal experience also. And just an FYI, the caregiver who performed my last digital rectal exam commented that everything felt normal-nice and soft. I had a Biopsy of my prostate 4 weeks later and my numbers were very high leading to a year spent at MS Kettering getting treated. Like Stu, I am a survivor, yet not out of the woods completely since my treatment just ended and my PSA’s need to be checked routinely for months until I can feel more confident in my condition. I am also open to share my experiences with anyone facing this terrible challenge. |
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