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« on: November 01, 2019, 06:12:42 AM »

Warren finally released her healthcare cost. Yet she maintains cost will not go up for the middle class. This woman is nuts yet people keep listening and believing her.
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 06:20:25 AM »

They keep listening to her and Bernie because they really are not the brightest citizens we have.  The adults must have very short memories as well. 

When a politician says we'll get the rich and corporations to pay for something, their supporters really believe this will happen.  They forget, or choose not to realize, that rich people and corporations don't pay taxes, they pass it on to the middle class every time.

The rich will never pay 90%, but YOU and I will when the shortfall appears a year or two in when the tax revenue doesn't come in.

Oh, and now they want to go after rich people's wealth, the money they already have in the bank.  When that fails, because the rich have tax lawyers and CPA's on staff, they'll be forced to go after YOUR bank account and who do YOU have on staff???

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 06:56:46 AM »

Sounds like a replay of many of the Obamacare promises.  Sadly too many people forget how badly that screwed up our healthcare system.  Now they want to make it even worse.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2019, 07:09:55 AM »

Actually the rich pay a very large chunk of all income taxes.  According to the Tax Foundation the richest 1% pay 37.3% of all income tax, while the bottom 50% only pay 3%.

Corporations are different.  They don't pay taxes, they collect taxes.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2019, 07:24:45 AM »

They keep listening to her and Bernie because they really are not the brightest citizens we have.  The adults must have very short memories as well. 


While that may (or may not) be true.  Personally, I believe that those in support of such plans believe that it'll be paid for with Other People's Money.   Apparently, they don't look at the big picture.
Being responsible for one's own issues seems to be a thing of the past.   Now, my problems can be solved by a bigger and more expensive government and I am not responsible for anything.   Roll Eyes

The rights our fore fathers fought for also meant being responsible for our own decisions.   

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2019, 09:30:08 AM »

Warren finally released her healthcare cost. Yet she maintains cost will not go up for the middle class. This woman is nuts yet people keep listening and believing her.

She's "Mad as a hatter".

https://www.history.com/news/where-did-the-phrase-mad-as-a-hatter-come-from
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2019, 09:40:45 AM »

Actually the rich pay a very large chunk of all income taxes.  According to the Tax Foundation the richest 1% pay 37.3% of all income tax, while the bottom 50% only pay 3%.

Corporations are different.  They don't pay taxes, they collect taxes.

The rich put up with paying 35% of their earnings (before loops and other deductions are figured in), but they won't stand for much more.  Look at Trump, leaving NY specifically because of the taxes.  Says he pays millions and the rulers in NY treat him like crap. 


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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2019, 09:47:07 AM »

A lot of folks don't look at the big picture, they seem to wear permanent blinders. They certainly don't pay attention to history.


Warren is 'mad as a hatter'. Maybe she was too exposed to the mercury in the Hudson river when she was working for Dow Chemical defending against the law suits concerning their defective silicone implants. She looks like she has a case of the 'Danbury Shakes'.


I don't blame Trump for leaving NYC. Many others have done that, savings millions in taxes allowing them to spend more on the charities of their choice.
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2019, 09:49:08 AM »

Warren finally released her healthcare cost. Yet she maintains cost will not go up for the middle class. This woman is nuts yet people keep listening and believing her.

She's "Mad as a hatter".

https://www.history.com/news/where-did-the-phrase-mad-as-a-hatter-come-from

maybe she eats a lot of eggplant aka mad apple.
The eggplant has a special place in folklore. In 13th-century Italian traditional folklore, the eggplant can cause insanity.[16] In 19th-century Egypt, insanity was said to be "more common and more violent" when the eggplant is in season in the summer.[17]
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2019, 10:19:00 AM »

Actually the rich pay a very large chunk of all income taxes.  According to the Tax Foundation the richest 1% pay 37.3% of all income tax, while the bottom 50% only pay 3%.

Corporations are different.  They don't pay taxes, they collect taxes.

The rich put up with paying 35% of their earnings (before loops and other deductions are figured in), but they won't stand for much more.  Look at Trump, leaving NY specifically because of the taxes.  Says he pays millions and the rulers in NY treat him like crap. 


I agree, they're paying plenty.  It's not just the 35% the rich pay to the Feds (I think the top bracket is now 37%), but we all pay another 7-8% in FICA taxes.  That doubles if you're self employed and pick up the employer's portion.  I was self employed for 10 years and writing those big checks every 3 months was no fun.  Add 10% state income taxes in places like NY, NJ, or CA and over half your income goes to the government!  But Liz and Bernie (and the rest of them) don't think that's a 'fair share'.  Apparently they want it all!
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2019, 10:41:49 AM »

Who is John Galt?
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2019, 11:14:16 AM »

 I heard even if they taxed every American citizens that makes over 250K at 100% it wouldn't be enough to pay for Sanders idea and it was 20 Trillion less that Warrens. I have no idea how anyone can be so stupid they would vote for these morons.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2019, 12:07:50 PM »

Ah! THAT'S how they're gonna do it!

https://babylonbee.com/news/elizabeth-warren-unveils-plan-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all-through-the-power-of-love-and-friendship
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2019, 12:45:27 PM »




I don't blame Trump for leaving NYC. Many others have done that, savings millions in taxes allowing them to spend more on the charities of their choice.

LOLOL....I'll wait patiently to see which charities he donates to.
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2019, 01:01:23 PM »




I don't blame Trump for leaving NYC. Many others have done that, savings millions in taxes allowing them to spend more on the charities of their choice.

LOLOL....I'll wait patiently to see which charities he donates to.

u should turn off the liberal cable news and read some.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation gave away $10.9 million from 2001 to 2014, taking a scattershot approach to philanthropy with donations to more than 400 different charities, according to a Forbes analysis of 14 years of IRS documents. Among the notable recipients: the William J. Clinton Foundation, a state branch of the ACLU and a nonprofit run by the New York Times, which Trump routinely criticizes on Twitter. Only $2.8 million of that money came from Trump himself.

The biggest single beneficiary was the Police Athletic League, a New York City charity that works with local police officers to provide summer camps, universal pre-K programs and after-school activities for children. According to the charity’s website, Trump serves on its board of directors alongside fellow billionaire investor Ron Perelman and New York supermarket magnate John Catsimatidis. It is the only charity that got a donation from the Trump Foundation every single year from 2001-2014, ultimately receiving $832,500, 8% of the foundation's total gifts during the 14-year stretch.

An estimated 36% of the foundation’s money went to roughly 100 organizations promoting healthcare, the Forbes examination revealed. The Trump Foundation gave more than $465,000 to both the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Operation Smile, which offers free surgeries to children born with cleft palates in developing countries. The foundation gave at least $326,000 to New York Presbyterian Hospital and $250,750 to its sister institution, the Hospital for Special Surgery, which is also based in New York City.


mean while at the UN Globalist Clinton headquarters;

    Clinton’s tax filings show that she and Bill Clinton donated just over $1 million to charity last year, the bulk of which went to the Clinton Foundation. Another $42,000 was donated to the Desert Classic Charities, a nonprofit that organizes the Carebuilder Challenge charity golf tournament with the Clinton Foundation. In total, the Clinton’s gave nearly 10 percent of their income to charity.

That’s certainly one way of putting it. Another would be: “Of the $1,042,000 that the Clintons gave to charity last year, 96 percent of it went to their own foundation, and four percent of it went to fund a golf tournament.”

As Tyler Durden notes over at Zerohedge, this is pretty darned incestuous. “Taking a deduction for contributing to the employer of your daughter and expense payer of your husband,” Durden notes, “is awesome.”
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Indeed it is. And it hardly helps to dispel the suspicion that the Clintons have set up an all-purpose money-and-influence roundabout, which they use to advance their private interests under the guise of “public service.” Frankly, I’m not sure which part is more suspicious. Is it that the Clintons unashamedly use their high-ranking government roles in order to funnel outside contributions into their family-controlled slush fund? Or is it that they use that slush fund as vehicle with which to avoid taxes on the lucrative speaking fees that — yes, you’ve guessed it — are the product of influence obtained by the possession of high-ranking government roles?
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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2019, 01:15:35 PM »

Those darn darn facts again.
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2019, 01:37:39 PM »




I don't blame Trump for leaving NYC. Many others have done that, savings millions in taxes allowing them to spend more on the charities of their choice.

LOLOL....I'll wait patiently to see which charities he donates to.

u should turn off the liberal cable news and read some.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation gave away $10.9 million from 2001 to 2014, taking a scattershot approach to philanthropy with donations to more than 400 different charities, according to a Forbes analysis of 14 years of IRS documents. Among the notable recipients: the William J. Clinton Foundation, a state branch of the ACLU and a nonprofit run by the New York Times, which Trump routinely criticizes on Twitter. Only $2.8 million of that money came from Trump himself.

The biggest single beneficiary was the Police Athletic League, a New York City charity that works with local police officers to provide summer camps, universal pre-K programs and after-school activities for children. According to the charity’s website, Trump serves on its board of directors alongside fellow billionaire investor Ron Perelman and New York supermarket magnate John Catsimatidis. It is the only charity that got a donation from the Trump Foundation every single year from 2001-2014, ultimately receiving $832,500, 8% of the foundation's total gifts during the 14-year stretch.

An estimated 36% of the foundation’s money went to roughly 100 organizations promoting healthcare, the Forbes examination revealed. The Trump Foundation gave more than $465,000 to both the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Operation Smile, which offers free surgeries to children born with cleft palates in developing countries. The foundation gave at least $326,000 to New York Presbyterian Hospital and $250,750 to its sister institution, the Hospital for Special Surgery, which is also based in New York City.


mean while at the UN Globalist Clinton headquarters;

    Clinton’s tax filings show that she and Bill Clinton donated just over $1 million to charity last year, the bulk of which went to the Clinton Foundation. Another $42,000 was donated to the Desert Classic Charities, a nonprofit that organizes the Carebuilder Challenge charity golf tournament with the Clinton Foundation. In total, the Clinton’s gave nearly 10 percent of their income to charity.

That’s certainly one way of putting it. Another would be: “Of the $1,042,000 that the Clintons gave to charity last year, 96 percent of it went to their own foundation, and four percent of it went to fund a golf tournament.”

As Tyler Durden notes over at Zerohedge, this is pretty darned incestuous. “Taking a deduction for contributing to the employer of your daughter and expense payer of your husband,” Durden notes, “is awesome.”
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Indeed it is. And it hardly helps to dispel the suspicion that the Clintons have set up an all-purpose money-and-influence roundabout, which they use to advance their private interests under the guise of “public service.” Frankly, I’m not sure which part is more suspicious. Is it that the Clintons unashamedly use their high-ranking government roles in order to funnel outside contributions into their family-controlled slush fund? Or is it that they use that slush fund as vehicle with which to avoid taxes on the lucrative speaking fees that — yes, you’ve guessed it — are the product of influence obtained by the possession of high-ranking government roles?

Is this the same Foundation that was forced to be dissolved because of various 'questionable' practices? (that's being kind) It appears that he stopped putting his own money into it 11 yrs ago, now he spends other peoples money. And if I remember correctly, isn't the entire family barred from operating any charitable organizations because of their actions?

Apparently using a Foundations money to pay your own legal fees and purchase artwork is frowned upon.

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/trump-foundation-to-be-dissolved-assets-donated-to-charity/

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/politics/donald-trump-foundation-charity/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-agrees-to-shut-down-his-charity-amid-allegations-he-used-it-for-personal-and-political-benefit/2018/12/18/dd3f5030-021b-11e9-9122-82e98f91ee6f_story.html

https://apnews.com/021a4d59669949e1be59382c058c07db
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2019, 05:10:15 PM »

Love how Bernie lives in the biggest mansion in his state while preaching about income inequality

Just how does a public servant pay for this?  Answer  He doesn't  he stole it by either graft or corruption and doesnt own his soul

Was not a fan of Trump before he ran for office. Now I am 100% in favor of letting the PEOPLE decide with their votes in 2020 and the impeachment charade people can KMA

De classify and let us all hear and read all about how Hillary deleted those emails after being served the subpoena and lets read the full transcripts of Biden and his son. I want ALL the $hit in the open including how Pelosi got her millions
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2019, 05:19:02 PM »

Love how Bernie lives in the biggest mansion in his state while preaching about income inequality

Just how does a public servant pay for this?  Answer  He doesn't  he stole it by either graft or corruption and doesnt own his soul

Was not a fan of Trump before he ran for office. Now I am 100% in favor of letting the PEOPLE decide with their votes in 2020 and the impeachment charade people can KMA

De classify and let us all hear and read all about how Hillary deleted those emails after being served the subpoena and lets read the full transcripts of Biden and his son. I want ALL the $hit in the open including how Pelosi got her millions

https://therightscoop.com/corruption-mark-levin-explains-how-nancy-pelosi-and-husband-getting-rich-off-taxpayer-subsidies/

she is a mafia boss like her father was.
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/revealed-jfk-worried-pelosis-dad-associated-organized-crime
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2019, 12:26:13 PM »

Just out today....

https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-donald-trump-ordered-pay-2m-collection-nonprofits/story?id=66827235&fbclid=IwAR1qqfMjt-l_qLuvgNLqMXfEk6Ayv3fM3hDW4rcNfRdqOmlE5M2l1JTcFfY
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2019, 12:31:59 PM »

She, like many on both sides, promise the moon and deliver nothing once elected.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2019, 01:01:50 PM »


u are just crazy excited

but u ignore actual corruption
https://hangthebankers.com/clinton-corruption-10-facts-clinton-foundation/

FACT ONE – There Are Major Overlaps Between Clinton’s Campaign Donors And Her Foundation Donors, Raising Ethical Red Flags:

FACT NINE – The Clinton Foundation Failed To Disclose $26.4 Million In Speaking Honoraria While Clinton Was Secretary Of State:

FACT SIX – The FBI Wanted To Open An Investigation Into The Clinton Foundation, But The Effort Was Scuttled By The Obama Administration:

FACT EIGHT – Sidney Blumenthal Collected $10,000 A Month From The Clinton Foundation While Providing Libyan Intelligence To Clinton:

FACT TEN – Since 2003, The Clinton Foundation Has Spent More Than $50 Million On Travel:

FACT THREE – The Clinton Foundation Accepted Millions From Foreign Governments:

FACT TWO – Several Major Clinton Foundation Donations Came From Companies Lobbying The Federal Government:

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