Police shooting

[Bighead]

Don’t know if anyone further than 100 miles away have heard this story. On Oct 27 the Madison Alabama police department shot and killed a man in a parking lot. The police declare he had a weapon and that is why deadly force was used. His wife however claims he had no weapon and never owned a weapon. So this case goes to the Madison County Sherriff for investigation. All the while wife screaming two or three times a day on T V her husband was gunned down in cold blood. After about 48 hrs the public is screaming they demand the officers body cam footage to be released. ( be careful what you wish for) the county DA said there would be no release and the public has no right to see it. Especially when the investigation is going on. Well everyday all you hear is release the video over and over.  Then the wife hires some large name Civil Rights attorney. Who sounded just like Al Sharpton claiming this was clearly a case of another Black mans life taken for NO other reason than being Black. Well the DA today came out and cleared both officers. (Good for the DA). They held a press conference that lasted 30-35 minutes. I watched it all and they had a trial attorney go over the evidence presented to them from the Sherriff’s office as well as some security camera footage along with the body cam footage. Guess what the 5 officers on scene tried every way possible to not use deadly force. Even after the perp put his hand on a firearm 1 minute into the confrontation. It went on 8 more minutes before he exited the vehicle clearly with a weapon in his hand.pointing it at an officer he just knocked to the ground.   So he got a few rounds to the head and a couple more to upper torso. The only sad part about this is his 8 yr old daughter had to see all of this.
I just wonder how the story will go with the Civil Rights attorney now? Will he back down or file wrongful death charges against officers that Clearly did and excellent job?  

[Bighead]

BTW this shooting happened less than a mile from my house and I applaud the PD for the job they did. Was expecting some noise to be made today by protesters but quiet so far.
On a side note three were arrested on Veterans Day as they laid down in the road in protest in front of the Veterans day parade. Theu were only in the road about 15 seconds and scooped up and taken to the county lockup

[scooperhsd]

Sounds to me like the PD officers did exactly what they should be doing for that situation. BZ for them being professionals.

[Bighead]

Sounds to me like the PD officers did exactly what they should be doing for that situation. BZ for them being professionals.

Yes they did.  But I am wondering what the NAACP/civil rights Lawyer will do next. Anyone who sees the body cam can only come to ONE conclusion. (Unless they are blind) compliance would have saved a life.  (But more and more rules don’t seem to apply to certain people)
I get pulled over it is yes sir , no sir , Thank you sir. Even if he is wrong.  I can take this
Up with his superiors at a later date. And I am still breathing. I don’t understand the way the human brain works in some people’s heads

[bscrive]

You pull a weapon on a cop, you better expect to get shot.  Cops did the right thing.

[Bighead]

You pull a weapon on a cop, you better expect to get shot.  Cops did the right thing.

Yes agree 1000%. Just finding it curios. The Lawyer for the Wife who swore he never had a gun (there were two in the vehicle registered to her ) hasnt issued an apology to the officers or dropped his chest thumping attitude since DA dismissed any wrong doing. Nothing but crickets.

[Bighead]

Play stupid games awin stupid prizes.

[old2soon]

         More and more body cams are showing-while wives mothers brothers sisters and others whine and complain and Demand justice-that what the L E O verbalized Is What actually transpired. And even after the family is PROVEN that their family member was indeed being a turd they Still refuse to believe. I've talked with and broke bread with L E Os so I have a fair idea of what is expected of me when I am pulled over or stopped for insurance checks. I'm also fairly certain no L E O starts a shift with the express purpose of dropping someone dead. RIDE SAFE.

[Bighead]

Dennis rules just don’t apply to me is what I keep seeing/hearing in similar reports. No compliance at all. Just do what you are told. Or maybe your mamma didnt make that clear enough?

[F6Dave]

Larry Elder, a black conservative, has written extensively on this subject.  As I remember, only 4% of police shootings involve a white cop shooting an unarmed black man.  If fact, studies from Washing State University and Harvard found that white cops actually hesitate longer before firing at a black suspect.  This is largely because they are constantly aware of the intense publicity and investigations such a shooting will cause.

[LTD]

What will probably happen is the family will sue for their payday and the city will cave in and pay them off to make them go away. Very sad.

[0leman]

What will probably happen is the family will sue for their payday and the city will cave in and pay them off to make them go away. Very sad.

I hope not, in this case it seems pretty clear that the LEO's did their job.  No money should be sent to the family.   It seems that a lot of cases like this, the family sees $$$ when the family member get shot. 

[Bighead]

The mayor came out today and said he expects a wrongful death suit to be filed. But dont know the extent of said probable suit.  The mayor is a good guy.  Hope he dont cave.  As there is very clear evidence the officers were doing the job they are paid to do. But Clear evidence dont mean much these days in the world of butt hurt idiots.

[98valk]

why are the cops being trained to only make kill shots? this has been asked in many news articles as a result of police shooting resulting in deaths the last few yrs. there has never been any answers.

[scooperhsd]

why are the cops being trained to only make kill shots? this has been asked in many news articles as a result of police shooting resulting in deaths the last few yrs. there has never been any answers.

I'd imagine that it is hard enough to shoot someone period than to try for a non-lethal shot that might have the perp still firing at you.

I too hope the city stands firm on fighting the wrongful death suit. Maybe the perps family (and the rest of society) would learn that a lawful shooting doesn't mean automatic payday any more.

[JimC]

why are the cops being trained to only make kill shots? this has been asked in many news articles as a result of police shooting resulting in deaths the last few yrs. there has never been any answers.

You watch to much TV or too many movies, shooting to wound is a Hollywood thing. It is not something done in real life, when your own life (or someone else's) is on the line.

Jim

[98valk]

why are the cops being trained to only make kill shots? this has been asked in many news articles as a result of police shooting resulting in deaths the last few yrs. there has never been any answers.

You watch to much TV or too many movies, shooting to wound is a Hollywood thing. It is not something done in real life, when your own life (or someone else's) is on the line.

Jim

why the put down comment?  not talking about a citizen protecting themselves/family. talking about taxpayer paid police officers that are required the protect the life of ALL citizens and that are too quick today to pull the trigger in too many cases instead of taking cover etc. do u not read the news about what has been going on?  how about all of the swat home invasions and death of innocents? https://listverse.com/2017/09/26/10-swat-team-assaults-that-went-awry/
   read others comments   https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-trained-shoot-wound-experts/story?id=40402933

I forget the city but did u like the TWO officers who pulled up and shot and kill a little boy playing in the playground with his toy gun? was in the news about 1-2 days and then gone. or how about the case/s of them shooting/killing metally handicap people, even though bystanders are yelling and telling the cops about the person yet they ignored the people and shoot anyway. there was case last yr, where the person trying to help the handicap person was a college professor and the cops still shot him. hundreds of cases out there.

and remember according to US Bureau of Labor Statistics, police officer is not in the top ten for most dangerous/lethal jobs in America.  https://time.com/5074471/most-dangerous-jobs/

In most police shootings, officers don’t shoot out of anger or frustration or hatred. They shoot because they are afraid. And they are afraid because they are constantly barraged with the message that that they should be afraid, that their survival depends on it. Not only do officers hear it in formal training, they also hear it informally from supervisors and older officers. They talk about it with their peers. They see it on police forums and law enforcement publications. For example, three of the four stories mentioned on the cover of this month’s Police Magazine are about dealing with threats to officer safety.

Officers’ actions are grounded in their expectations, and they are taught to expect the worst. The officers who shot John Crawford may have honestly believed that he was raising his rifle to a shooting position even though security camera footage shows him on the phone, casually swinging the BB gun back and forth. The same may be true of the Phoenix officer who shot an unarmed man because he thought, mistakenly, that the suspect had a gun in his waistband. The officers saw what they were afraid of. They saw what they were trained to see. And they did what they had been taught to do. That’s the problem.
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-americans-do-cops-kill-each-year-480712
much, much more than number of cops killed each yr.

and in nazi jersey, police do not have shot guns in their vehicles anymore. they now have high power fully auto rifles aka by liberals as assault rifles.

[Jess from VA]

why are the cops being trained to only make kill shots? this has been asked in many news articles as a result of police shooting resulting in deaths the last few yrs. there has never been any answers.

They are trained to shoot center mass, which simply provides the best chances for a hit (esp with a handgun).  The goal is to stop, not kill.  Accurate center mass shots often kill, but stopping is the goal. (And if anyone ever uses a firearm in righteous self defense, this is exactly what you tell the authorities; though you are likely better off saying nothing.)

Regarding center mass, do some research on how often police miss entirely, and with multiple shots.  The statistics would be just as bad or worse for armed civilians, but there aren't any.  Contrary to popular opinion, a high percentage of police officers are not steeped in the gun culture, expect to follow the statistics of never drawing or firing their sidearms in line of duty, and only go down to the PD range to qualify once or twice a year.  They need to be shooting for center mass.

The critical decision is to shoot or not to shoot.  Not where to shoot... it's always center mass.

And think about this; if cops started shooting for the legs, the question would immediately be put forward.... if they were shooting for the legs, did they think they were without justification to use deadly force at all??  (since all shooting is considered deadly force).  Shooting for the legs would be used (by perps and plaintiff's attorneys) as evidence that you lacked justification to shoot at all.

If the other guy presents a firearm to use on you, and you shoot him in the leg, he can still shoot and kill you (or someone else).  Ergo, he may not be stopped.

Additionally, shooting for center mass not only maximizes probability of a hit, it also minimizes probability of hitting an innocent bystander (or some other unintended target).

Now I've been at a range where the guy next to me was a complete gun slob, sweeping people with his firearm and dropping it, while loaded.  I seriously considered shooting him in the foot.  At arm's length, I could convincingly argue I had no intent to kill, but I'd still be charged (and likely convicted) of an aggravated assault (with extra points for using a firearm).  So I had him thrown off the range by the range officer.  Several people thanked me.