The Goal Posts Have Been Moved, Again.

[baldo]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the discussion was about the other guy.

You're wrong.  It was originally about the stupidity of the so called impeachment investigation.  Somebody then brought up loosely related attacks on the President.  Someone then brought up accusations of lying as a character assassination.  The transition to a past President who lied was pretty much expected as the discussion deteriorated.    

Sorry, but they're connected. A large component of the impeachment proceeding is trying to make sense of all the lies being told from the WH.

[Willow]

... I hearby go on record and say Pelosi will not go forth with a vote to impeach. There is nothing there, all they have done is tarnish the Democrat party to the point that even their own constituents stopped supporting their cause.

I think you may be missing the point of the hearings.  The primary purpose of the "impeachment hearings" is to besmirch the sitting President in hopes of a better chance of defeating his re-election.  I do think there's a good chance the House will impeach, not based on evidence of an impeachable crime but only based on votes along party lines.

There is no chance of conviction in the Senate as a two thirds vote is required.  The goal is not to remove the President but only to make his re-election more difficult.  

[MAD6Gun]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the discussion was about the other guy.

You're wrong.  It was originally about the stupidity of the so called impeachment investigation.  Somebody then brought up loosely related attacks on the President.  Someone then brought up accusations of lying as a character assassination.  The transition to a past President who lied was pretty much expected as the discussion deteriorated.    

Sorry, but they're connected. A large component of the impeachment proceeding is trying to make sense of all the lies being told from the WH.

 What Carl said.  So if your saying Trump lies then the fact that I found evidence that Obama lied on the same site mind you is relevant to the argument at hand.

[Willow]

Sorry, but they're connected. A large component of the impeachment proceeding is trying to make sense of all the lies being told from the WH.

Your sincerity is lacking.  I do agree that you can at times be sorry.

I've watched more of the hearings that I really should have.  I saw no effort to impeach the President based upon his "lies" but only pursuing whether he used his position as Vice President Biden did and then some effort to validate the Speaker's accusation of bribery.

That, of course, would make some sense as for lying to be an impeachable crime it would have to occur in a very specific situation such as under oath or testifying that it depends upon what the definition of is is.

[baldo]

Sorry, but they're connected. A large component of the impeachment proceeding is trying to make sense of all the lies being told from the WH.

Your sincerity is lacking.  I do agree that you can at times be sorry.

I've watched more of the hearings that I really should have.  I saw no effort to impeach the President based upon his "lies" but only pursuing whether he used his position as Vice President Biden did and then some effort to validate the Speaker's accusation of bribery.

That, of course, would make some sense as for lying to be an impeachable crime it would have to occur in a very specific situation such as under oath or testifying that it depends upon what the definition of is is.

Oh. so now we've resorted to getting personal. I thought that was one of your no-go's. Nice touch.

[baldo]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the discussion was about the other guy.

You're wrong.  It was originally about the stupidity of the so called impeachment investigation.  Somebody then brought up loosely related attacks on the President.  Someone then brought up accusations of lying as a character assassination.  The transition to a past President who lied was pretty much expected as the discussion deteriorated.    

Sorry, but they're connected. A large component of the impeachment proceeding is trying to make sense of all the lies being told from the WH.

 What Carl said.  So if your saying Trump lies then the fact that I found evidence that Obama lied on the same site mind you is relevant to the argument at hand.

I do admire your tenacity. Using that logic, should we randomly select Presidents from the very beginning? Where do we stop. Because trying to deflect to Obama (squirrel comes to mind) makes just as much sense.

Yes, Carl correctly stated that the thread started talking about the impeachment proceedings. So anyone that doesn't currently reside at 1600 Penn has no bearing on the conversation.

Let me amend my earlier statement. Rumor has it that there was one President that could not tell a lie.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Sorry, but they're connected. A large component of the impeachment proceeding is trying to make sense of all the lies being told from the WH.

Your sincerity is lacking.  I do agree that you can at times be sorry.

I've watched more of the hearings that I really should have.  I saw no effort to impeach the President based upon his "lies" but only pursuing whether he used his position as Vice President Biden did and then some effort to validate the Speaker's accusation of bribery.

That, of course, would make some sense as for lying to be an impeachable crime it would have to occur in a very specific situation such as under oath or testifying that it depends upon what the definition of is is.

His sentence was "trying to make sense of all the lies coming from the whitehouse". Completely unrelated to saying that the president should be impeached for lying. (Rack up another wrong)

[MAD6Gun]

Sorry, but they're connected. A large component of the impeachment proceeding is trying to make sense of all the lies being told from the WH.

Your sincerity is lacking.  I do agree that you can at times be sorry.

I've watched more of the hearings that I really should have.  I saw no effort to impeach the President based upon his "lies" but only pursuing whether he used his position as Vice President Biden did and then some effort to validate the Speaker's accusation of bribery.

That, of course, would make some sense as for lying to be an impeachable crime it would have to occur in a very specific situation such as under oath or testifying that it depends upon what the definition of is is.

Oh. so now we've resorted to getting personal. I thought that was one of your no-go's. Nice touch.

 You posted a rant that the author refered to Trump supporters as "knuckle dragging neanderthals"  and you're saying Carl is getting personal. Before you say you didn't write it. You did post it so in a way you must believe it.

[phideux]

Look at what that Politifact site is calling lies???
One says that Trump is lying because he states that a wall is being built on the border. They say that accounts for something like 200+lies because there is no wall being built, instead there is a Fence being built instead.
Another says that Trump states that he had to release the transcripts about the phone call because Schiff made that stupid made up call. The site says that is a lie, and accounts for over 300 lies, because a "summary was released prior to the Schiff scam of the call. Yes a summary was released prior to Schiffs scam, but the actual transcript was released after.
Come on, each supposed lies accounts for hundreds of lies, is that some new common core math?? Plus most of the supposed lies that I see on that site are Lies.

[baldo]

Sorry, but they're connected. A large component of the impeachment proceeding is trying to make sense of all the lies being told from the WH.

Your sincerity is lacking.  I do agree that you can at times be sorry.

I've watched more of the hearings that I really should have.  I saw no effort to impeach the President based upon his "lies" but only pursuing whether he used his position as Vice President Biden did and then some effort to validate the Speaker's accusation of bribery.

That, of course, would make some sense as for lying to be an impeachable crime it would have to occur in a very specific situation such as under oath or testifying that it depends upon what the definition of is is.

Oh. so now we've resorted to getting personal. I thought that was one of your no-go's. Nice touch.

 You posted a rant that the author refered to Trump supporters as "knuckle dragging neanderthals"  and you're saying Carl is getting personal. Before you say you didn't write it. You did post it so in a way you must believe it.

Again with the deflection...lol...I made it very clear that I didn't write it, that I had come across it. Do me a favor and don't assume what I think.

What's next?

[f6john]

Before this thread gets locked for all the possible reasons that can happen, let me say I thoroughly enjoy all the comments no matter how bizarre or hilarious they strike me at the time. Sometimes we really do come across as children on the playground forming into cliques. I don’t know if the discourse continues due to passion for the subject or to display a certain level of mental prowess the contributor can muster.

Maybe we should give the President a pass on the lying with the amount of untruths, spin, misdirection we are subjected to daily especially the last few weeks and months. We should as Americans at least call a spade, a spade. Republican spades and Democratic spades alike.

Anyway, thanks to everyone for an entertaining if not educational, political post.

[Willow]

Oh. so now we've resorted to getting personal. I thought that was one of your no-go's. Nice touch.

Actually that was my light hearted way of finding something upon which we can agree.

I don't have no goes.  The boards rules call for no personal attacks.  I don't interpret an agreement as an attack.   

[Gavin_Sons]

... I hearby go on record and say Pelosi will not go forth with a vote to impeach. There is nothing there, all they have done is tarnish the Democrat party to the point that even their own constituents stopped supporting their cause.

I think you may be missing the point of the hearings.  The primary purpose of the "impeachment hearings" is to besmirch the sitting President in hopes of a better chance of defeating his re-election.  I do think there's a good chance the House will impeach, not based on evidence of an impeachable crime but only based on votes along party lines.

There is no chance of conviction in the Senate as a two thirds vote is required.  The goal is not to remove the President but only to make his re-election more difficult.  

I'm fully aware that this is just a stunt to undermine his re-election. They can't  win any other way and by what I'm seeing they can't  win even if they vote to impeach. These democrats are sorry excuses for human being. So power hungry that they will do anything to tarnish a man that is actually working for the people.

[Robert]

Hey Baldo I think the deflection response applies to you,

As it applies to our conversation today, deflection is when something someone communicates causes someone to feel triggered and as a result, instead of taking it in, they either ignore, deny or turn away from it.  Or worse, turn it back towards the other person. 

  This is done to avoid painful memories and painful emotions and painful thoughts, but it also prevents the person from being self-aware. 


Deflection is different from projection which when a person cannot accept a quality or aspect of their own personality because it is incompatible with their self-concept, so they project it out of their awareness on to another person. 

I have only known people use this response when they do not have an answer that would support their point of view. Embrace the errors of your thoughts on Trump and Obama, become strong and self aware and know the double standard you support in your life on this issue holds you back.

[old2soon]

              There was a Cajun comedian that had a line I've thought of a LOT recently. Something along this line. Old Silas would rather climb a tree and tell lies then to stand on the ground and tell the truth. Makes one wunder How high the dems are?  RIDE SAFE.

[Willow]

I got to thinking about the 14,000 lies accusation.  I'm 68.  I lie down virtually every night, sometimes more than once.  It appears I've lied more than twenty-five thousand times.  It seems the President is a better man than I.