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A little distraction here to properly stage my line of thinking. I’m toying around with the idea of proposing a new national moto for the United States… ‘I Win’. It’s one of those double entendre things… You know about those, right? That’s a high-minded way of saying some word or phrase has multiple meanings… like my new moto idea…
The first meaning is obvious… Americans love to win, and they hate to lose. Sure, most of us learn in time to pretend to be gracious losers, but the truth is, none of us ever actually become good losers… at all. Nope, we want to win… always, every time, consistently, and often! No exceptions.
The second meaning of that moto notion is an acronym for ‘I Want It Now’. Yep, we not only want to win, but we want to win now… In fact, we want everything now… Instant gratification, no delays… heck, we’d skip foreplay if we could and just get right to the heart of the matter at hand! Any period of unknown, lack of clarity, absence of certainty is painful, abhorrent, and to be avoided at all costs… We simply must know… now!
Well, POTUS made a major call the other day: He took-out a major terrorist player. Was it a good call or an irresponsible, shoot-from-the-hip, knee-jerk response to current political pressures in an effort to distract attention? Who knows! We can’t possibly know the answer to that until much more information becomes available… None of us, and most certainly not this usually ignorant writer, has anywhere near sufficient knowledge of the factors surrounding that decision to critically critique it… and much more…
Any difficult call by any leader is fraught with unknowns, uncertainties, and risks as choices are made looking into a murky, mysterious future with only some of the requisite ‘facts’ to aid in the choice. ‘Foresight’ is nearly blind, while ‘hind-sight’ is always 20-20. Should Eisenhower have given the go-ahead for the D-Day landings when he did? Easy to know the answer now, but a bit more difficult when he and his team actually had to make that fateful call!!!
The answers to the most challenging decisions are typically not known for some time into the future… A time when more information becomes apparent, reactions have been made, repercussions have occurred, consequences have become clear, and history has had an opportunity to apply hindsight. Even then, biases will ‘color’ the opinions of whoever is making the judgement…
Fortunately for Americans, however, we don’t need to wait for slow-poke history or to bother with any laborious fact gathering! No need to wait around to see what happens, how things might play-out, or what the repercussions and consequences might be. Nope, we have a sure-fire litmus test always at the ready, that we can apply to anything political in nature… It is also guaranteed to give us the ‘right’ answer in all cases… every time, all the time, no misses, and completely free of risk of error!
It’s so simple… just one question, then we have our answer… and our absolute need for immediate certainty is satisfied… ‘Is the person, proposal, or issue of or by ‘our guys’ (the good guys), or is it associated with the ‘other guys’ (the bad guys)'? WOW! No wonder we consider ourselves to be so sophisticated and our system to be superior to all others… Do you feel as smug as I do right now? So, what sort of call did POTUS just make…? (That shouldn't be a tough question... for most Americans anyway.)
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2020, 07:12:11 AM » |
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He made a good call. His message was clear, " Don't Tread On Me". Not a bunch of lies about a video pissing off muslims. America is Great Again!
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2020, 07:18:13 AM » |
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A very thought provoking post Bruce. I wish I could be as decisive as our friend Skin is. But, I plain just don't know what to make of his decision yet. (America has been great for a long time)
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2020, 07:56:47 AM » |
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Meathead.....the man was responsible for the blood of several hundred of our countrymen. Why is that such a hard decision to make? When I think about that simple fact I cannot in any way shape or form follow it up by saying to myself "That's okay" let him live.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2020, 08:11:41 AM » |
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Meathead.....the man was responsible for the blood of several hundred of our countrymen. Why is that such a hard decision to make? When I think about that simple fact I cannot in any way shape or form follow it up by saying to myself "That's okay" let him live.
Pappy, I never said any such thing.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2020, 08:41:34 AM » |
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Lets not forget that any POTUS has various teams of alleged intelligence experts, civilian and military, at his beck and call for information and advice on any subject or possible operation. We can only hope those experts have the USA's best interests at heart, or follow their oath of office.
Some use it more better than others though.
Although I have no idea what LBJ used to pick his RVN targets. A dartboard?
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2020, 09:21:08 AM » |
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Good description of how we seem to think these days. The last paragraph is particularly insightful. I must take exception, though, to a phrase you used. Hindsight does not become 2020 until next year.
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2020, 09:29:48 AM » |
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A very thought provoking post Bruce. I wish I could be as decisive as our friend Skin is. But, I plain just don't know what to make of his decision yet. (America has been great for a long time)
Yeah, let's let a few hundred more service men and women die before we know what to think. Better yet, let the Democrats tell you what to think.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2020, 10:14:14 AM » |
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Meathead.....the man was responsible for the blood of several hundred of our countrymen. Why is that such a hard decision to make? When I think about that simple fact I cannot in any way shape or form follow it up by saying to myself "That's okay" let him live.
Pappy, I never said any such thing. Never said you did! Should be a no brainer though. One serviceman or American is too many.....when is enough?
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Stated this before and I WILL restate it now-a lead turd of the terrorist stripe will NEVER EVER again hurt Another AMERICAN or Coalition Soldier or any of his own people or any others of Any Nationality. How on Earth is that Not a GOOD Thing? IF It is a bad thing I fer one fail to recognize it. Thinkin the other 6 turds that were dropped right after the lead turd was dropped falls also rather neatly into the Not a Bad thing catergory. RIDE SAFE. As an aside imagine if us Nam Vets woud have had the kind of help President Trump is to Our current Troops. Sadly I was there and I can ONLY imagine.
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More than just a good call. It was a call with no considerations to political fallout. This has been my perspective of Trump for some time. His perspective comes as a pragmatist not a politician. A politician would have passed on the opportunity until the fallout would have been mitigated but then the opportunity would have been lost.
This isn't a democrat vs. Republican view. But a pragmatist vs. politician view.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2020, 01:42:18 PM » |
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I think you're on to something. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2020, 01:57:43 PM » |
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More than just a good call. It was a call with no considerations to political fallout. This has been my perspective of Trump for some time. His perspective comes as a pragmatist not a politician. A politician would have passed on the opportunity until the fallout would have been mitigated but then the opportunity would have been lost.
This isn't a democrat vs. Republican view. But a pragmatist vs. politician view.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2020, 02:20:01 PM » |
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President Donald J. Trump warned iran in a series of tweets that there ARE 52 targets in iran some of them of Very High value that Will be eliminated should Any Americans or American assets be harmed. Straight forward to the point. Absofrikkinlutely NO/NONE/NADA room for a misinterpretation. BUT guessing here the "media" Will find a way to screw this up!  RIDE SAFE.
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Even though I did not like President Obama's policies, I applauded when he allowed OSB to be taken out, it was the right thing to do. Credit given where is/was due.
How anyone can not give the same credit to President Trump for taking out this terrorist is simply beyond me. The apparent reasoning is because it is an action taken by President Trump, it's bad.
Purely political crap.
As I have stated previously, any one that attacks American citizens or our military should know up front, the price they will pay will be very high.
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2020, 07:03:40 AM » |
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Even though I did not like President Obama's policies, I applauded when he allowed OSB to be taken out, it was the right thing to do. Credit given where is/was due.
How anyone can not give the same credit to President Trump for taking out this terrorist is simply beyond me. The apparent reasoning is because it is an action taken by President Trump, it's bad.
Purely political crap.
As I have stated previously, any one that attacks American citizens or our military should know up front, the price they will pay will be very high.
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But Ron, the Democrats have an election to win, that’s reason enough to criticize.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2020, 09:23:47 AM » |
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Even though I did not like President Obama's policies, I applauded when he allowed OSB to be taken out, it was the right thing to do. Credit given where is/was due.
How anyone can not give the same credit to President Trump for taking out this terrorist is simply beyond me. The apparent reasoning is because it is an action taken by President Trump, it's bad.
Purely political crap.
As I have stated previously, any one that attacks American citizens or our military should know up front, the price they will pay will be very high.
Rams
But Ron, the Democrats have an election to win, that’s reason enough to criticize. You know they're desperate when their best efforts generally exhibit clear signs of insanity. (whether in attacks on the opposition or in their own ridiculous platform)
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2020, 09:46:06 AM » |
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"Well, POTUS made a major call the other day: He took-out a major terrorist player. Was it a good call or an irresponsible, shoot-from-the-hip, knee-jerk response to current political pressures in an effort to distract attention? Who knows! We can’t possibly know the answer to that until much more information becomes available… None of us, and most certainly not this usually ignorant writer, has anywhere near sufficient knowledge of the factors surrounding that decision to critically critique it… and much more…"
If I may.. after watching our moves on Iran for awhile I see this (taking out/killing the trash) as a great opportunity which arose from the arrogance and false sense of security the mullahs had. DJT has been steadily squeezing the economic life from the regime, constant economic pressure has led to citizen revolt.. the regime is weaker now more than ever and this is the logical next step. Destabilized on the homefront, humiliated on the international stage, money and power dwindling.. now is the time to put the heavy hammer down and finish off these scum for good.
The Iranians will soon have their 'Mussolini' moment in history.. what Iran looks like in the aftermath is up to them.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2020, 10:03:07 AM » |
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"Well, POTUS made a major call the other day: He took-out a major terrorist player. Was it a good call or an irresponsible, shoot-from-the-hip, knee-jerk response to current political pressures in an effort to distract attention? Who knows! We can’t possibly know the answer to that until much more information becomes available… None of us, and most certainly not this usually ignorant writer, has anywhere near sufficient knowledge of the factors surrounding that decision to critically critique it… and much more…"
If I may.. after watching our moves on Iran for awhile I see this (taking out/killing the trash) as a great opportunity which arose from the arrogance and false sense of security the mullahs had. DJT has been steadily squeezing the economic life from the regime, constant economic pressure has led to citizen revolt.. the regime is weaker now more than ever and this is the logical next step. Destabilized on the homefront, humiliated on the international stage, money and power dwindling.. now is the time to put the heavy hammer down and finish off these scum for good.
The Iranians will soon have their 'Mussolini' moment in history.. what Iran looks like in the aftermath is up to them.
I worry that it may have the opposite effect. I would imagine their nationalist feelings will be stoked and their demonstrations will subside. Try to think about it if it were to happen to us. If our top General was visiting Canada and he was taken out by an Iranian drone, we would be united. I'm afraid we may have just united them. I'm more aligned with Jess's thinking on this. It might have been better to do it on the down low with the CIA.
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2020, 10:29:48 AM » |
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Try to think about it if it were to happen to us. If our top General was visiting Canada and he was taken out by an Iranian drone, we would be united.
Would we? I'm sure that was true in the past. Now I'm not so sure.
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Try to think about it if it were to happen to us. If our top General was visiting Canada and he was taken out by an Iranian drone, we would be united.
Would we? I'm sure that was true in the past. Now I'm not so sure. Hypotheticals are pretty hard to prove. But, I'm pretty sure if Colin Powell, Patraeus, or any other well known General were killed by the Iranians we'd unite pretty quickly.
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"Well, POTUS made a major call the other day: He took-out a major terrorist player. Was it a good call or an irresponsible, shoot-from-the-hip, knee-jerk response to current political pressures in an effort to distract attention? Who knows! We can’t possibly know the answer to that until much more information becomes available… None of us, and most certainly not this usually ignorant writer, has anywhere near sufficient knowledge of the factors surrounding that decision to critically critique it… and much more…"
If I may.. after watching our moves on Iran for awhile I see this (taking out/killing the trash) as a great opportunity which arose from the arrogance and false sense of security the mullahs had. DJT has been steadily squeezing the economic life from the regime, constant economic pressure has led to citizen revolt.. the regime is weaker now more than ever and this is the logical next step. Destabilized on the homefront, humiliated on the international stage, money and power dwindling.. now is the time to put the heavy hammer down and finish off these scum for good.
The Iranians will soon have their 'Mussolini' moment in history.. what Iran looks like in the aftermath is up to them.
I worry that it may have the opposite effect. I would imagine their nationalist feelings will be stoked and their demonstrations will subside. Try to think about it if it were to happen to us. If our top General was visiting Canada and he was taken out by an Iranian drone, we would be united. I'm afraid we may have just united them. I'm more aligned with Jess's thinking on this. It might have been better to do it on the down low with the CIA. I think you are thinking too much like an American. I don't believe that the rank and file Iranians are happy with their leadership. But they have no choice. They are not a democracy or a republic. The people cannot protest without fear of death or at the least being put in prison. Their vote (if they do get a chance to vote) means noting. Iran is run by a small group of, for lack of a better term, fanatics. The seek a certain outcome in the world and de-stabilzation is what they have been using to make that desire a reality. The person in question, this general, was not a warrior. He was a terrorist. He used his influence and power to bring death and destruction to others that stood in his way (many civilians as well as those in the military service of other nations). His actions were not warrior like and likening him to someone in our military is unconscionable.
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WTF was an IRANIAN Major General doing in IRAQ ? He was waging Jihad
We have as much right to be there as he did and since we are there we do what we do
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I think it’s cards on the table time. Trump played his and has made his intentions clear. We know we are goin to hear a lot of saber rattling. If they escalate it’s because they want to do so, or will they blink?
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"Well, POTUS made a major call the other day: He took-out a major terrorist player. Was it a good call or an irresponsible, shoot-from-the-hip, knee-jerk response to current political pressures in an effort to distract attention? Who knows! We can’t possibly know the answer to that until much more information becomes available… None of us, and most certainly not this usually ignorant writer, has anywhere near sufficient knowledge of the factors surrounding that decision to critically critique it… and much more…"
If I may.. after watching our moves on Iran for awhile I see this (taking out/killing the trash) as a great opportunity which arose from the arrogance and false sense of security the mullahs had. DJT has been steadily squeezing the economic life from the regime, constant economic pressure has led to citizen revolt.. the regime is weaker now more than ever and this is the logical next step. Destabilized on the homefront, humiliated on the international stage, money and power dwindling.. now is the time to put the heavy hammer down and finish off these scum for good.
The Iranians will soon have their 'Mussolini' moment in history.. what Iran looks like in the aftermath is up to them.
I worry that it may have the opposite effect. I would imagine their nationalist feelings will be stoked and their demonstrations will subside. Try to think about it if it were to happen to us. If our top General was visiting Canada and he was taken out by an Iranian drone, we would be united. I'm afraid we may have just united them. I'm more aligned with Jess's thinking on this. It might have been better to do it on the down low with the CIA. I think you are thinking too much like an American. I don't believe that the rank and file Iranians are happy with their leadership. But they have no choice. They are not a democracy or a republic. The people cannot protest without fear of death or at the least being put in prison. Their vote (if they do get a chance to vote) means noting. Iran is run by a small group of, for lack of a better term, fanatics. The seek a certain outcome in the world and de-stabilzation is what they have been using to make that desire a reality. The person in question, this general, was not a warrior. He was a terrorist. He used his influence and power to bring death and destruction to others that stood in his way (many civilians as well as those in the military service of other nations). His actions were not warrior like and likening him to someone in our military is unconscionable. I think you also might be thinking like an American. There is no doubt he was a bad dude, a terrorist. But, they don't think of military personnel in the way we do. He was THEIR guy. They desire bad dudes, terrorists, etc. To them he was a hero.
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Try to think about it if it were to happen to us. If our top General was visiting Canada and he was taken out by an Iranian drone, we would be united.
Would we? I'm sure that was true in the past. Now I'm not so sure. Hypotheticals are pretty hard to prove. But, I'm pretty sure if Colin Powell, Patraeus, or any other well known General were killed by the Iranians we'd unite pretty quickly. Colin Powell and David Petraeus are both retired and would not likely be targets. However, if Iranians targeted our Commander in Chief or any current general under his command, I doubt our citizens would be united in their response.
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Im sure this had nothing to do with anything either. Iran Warns U.S. Its Middle East Dominance Is Over After Naval Drills With Russia, China The commander of Iran's navy has warned that the U.S. has no business in Middle Eastern waters after his forces held joint naval drills with Russia and China. Rear Admiral Hossein Khanzadi told reporters Sunday that the four-day exercise in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Oman—dubbed "Marine Security Belt"—was a signal to U.S. forces operating in the region. "Today, the era of American free action in the region is over," Khanzadi said, according to the Iranian Tasnim news agency. "They must leave the region gradually," I love this response, to the embassy attacks, The US military, warns anyone who attempts to overrun Iraq embassy "will run into a buzz saw" Anyone remember this? Saddam told the people of Iraq: “The battle in which you are locked today is the mother of all battles… Our rendezvous with victory is very near, God willing.”
Just like the human shields they put in front of the fighters of women and children, and when they are killed cry up a storm. You killed women and children yet, when pushed comes to shoved, they surrendered to save their own skins. Iran on its own is NOTHING and has no power, I doubt very seriously that either Russia or China will step in regardless of drills. Iran Before 1979 Islamic Revolution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-di0vn4MSw 2019–20 Iranian protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Iranian_protestsBut take the generals away and life might return to the country.  Trump  We have had years of diplomats afraid to do anything, some even paid the regime and sent planes of green backs to them, but all this has failed and Iran is a bigger threat than in the past. They negotiated and paid when they thought they had a deal and it failed miserably. So, is freedom, free? In the world stage of posturing for positions and the corrupt corps and governments trying to steal, the US and other countries sovereignty and resources what is the position and goal of the US? Just like Trump was the last hurrah for the US as a whole and the previous admins making deals and steals in secret how does the president address bringing the US back to a world power? Did John McCain Meet with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Alleged Head of the Islamic State (ISIS, ISIL, Daesh)? https://www.globalresearch.ca/did-john-mccain-meet-with-abu-bakral-baghdadi-the-alleged-head-of-the-islamic-state-isis-isil-daesh/5498177No one has been able to explain the US's position of removing a bad regime and not going in and claiming the land and installing a government like the US wants. Then when the US leaves and a country falls again it is occupied by a worse enemy, why? Lives lost, country lost, victory in battle, but victory lost in diplomacy and time, why?
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I used them as examples because they were well known by the general public. I doubt many of our current generals are well known by most Americans. You might be correct in your assessment of our President as an example. Hopefully we will never know.
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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2020, 11:36:53 AM » |
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Try to think about it if it were to happen to us. If our top General was visiting Canada and he was taken out by an Iranian drone, we would be united.
Would we? I'm sure that was true in the past. Now I'm not so sure. Hypotheticals are pretty hard to prove. But, I'm pretty sure if Colin Powell, Patraeus, or any other well known General were killed by the Iranians we'd unite pretty quickly. I'm pretty sure if any current generals in U.S. service were KNOWN to be leading a terrorist organization and was personally responsible for deaths of US Citizens inside this country-no other world leader would NEED to send something to kill them. The U.S. citizenry would kill that general themselves. We don't simply hate ONLY foreign tyrants. 
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I used them as examples because they were well known by the general public. I doubt many of our current generals are well known by most Americans. You might be correct in your assessment of our President as an example. Hopefully we will never know.
That's partly my point. The generals are not well-known publicly. Therefore, they would likely be perceived as under this commander. And, just so you know, my postulation comes with great sadness for our country.
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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2020, 11:41:22 AM » |
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I used them as examples because they were well known by the general public. I doubt many of our current generals are well known by most Americans. You might be correct in your assessment of our President as an example. Hopefully we will never know.
That's partly my point. The generals are not well-known publicly. Therefore, they would likely be perceived as under this commander. And, just so you know, my postulation comes with great sadness for our country. I understand it does.  I guess I didn't explain my example well. (Thankfully it's hypothetical)
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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2020, 03:06:59 PM » |
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Could have toasted that plane inbound to Bagdad over the mountains. Engine trouble. Plausible deniability. Bad guy gone. Doing it on the ground all politics. excuse being the death of an american. Dude was a highly paid contractor who knew well the risks of his job and chose to accept those risks. He was not a serviceman in defense of his country. wake up america. we can't stay in this cycle of perpetual war and keep this country together. I'm sure Putin is sipping a vodka and enjoying the show.
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« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2020, 04:05:58 PM » |
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Could have toasted that plane inbound to Bagdad over the mountains. Engine trouble. Plausible deniability. Bad guy gone. Doing it on the ground all politics. excuse being the death of an american. Dude was a highly paid contractor who knew well the risks of his job and chose to accept those risks. He was not a serviceman in defense of his country. wake up america. we can't stay in this cycle of perpetual war and keep this country together. I'm sure Putin is sipping a vodka and enjoying the show.
 The inbound plane was a commercial airliner, and it wouldn't be his first time. "In July 2015, despite peremptory U.N. sanctions prohibiting him from travel outside Iran, Soleimani flew to Moscow (reportedly on a commercial flight) for talks with the Russian defense minister and, reportedly, President Putin himself." https://ctc.usma.edu/qassem-soleimani-irans-unique-regional-strategy/
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« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2020, 04:53:32 PM » |
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"Well, POTUS made a major call the other day: He took-out a major terrorist player. Was it a good call or an irresponsible, shoot-from-the-hip, knee-jerk response to current political pressures in an effort to distract attention? Who knows! We can’t possibly know the answer to that until much more information becomes available… None of us, and most certainly not this usually ignorant writer, has anywhere near sufficient knowledge of the factors surrounding that decision to critically critique it… and much more…"
If I may.. after watching our moves on Iran for awhile I see this (taking out/killing the trash) as a great opportunity which arose from the arrogance and false sense of security the mullahs had. DJT has been steadily squeezing the economic life from the regime, constant economic pressure has led to citizen revolt.. the regime is weaker now more than ever and this is the logical next step. Destabilized on the homefront, humiliated on the international stage, money and power dwindling.. now is the time to put the heavy hammer down and finish off these scum for good.
The Iranians will soon have their 'Mussolini' moment in history.. what Iran looks like in the aftermath is up to them.
I worry that it may have the opposite effect. I would imagine their nationalist feelings will be stoked and their demonstrations will subside. Try to think about it if it were to happen to us. If our top General was visiting Canada and he was taken out by an Iranian drone, we would be united. I'm afraid we may have just united them. I'm more aligned with Jess's thinking on this. It might have been better to do it on the down low with the CIA. The general was a really bad actor and deserved to be dispatched.. this latest event I believe is part of the strategic objective of destroying the theocracy ruling Iran with an iron fist. Murdering and torturing will get you lots of 'support'.. the same kind of support shown to the Nork dictator. I really can't know what the actual popularity of the mullahs is, and to us it really doesn't matter. Death to America is practically the Iranian national anthem, and no love is lost between them and US.. Trump will smash the regime, steadily and mercilessly until it collapses.. the strategy of our sailors kneeling before Iranian captors and enabling terrorists with pallets of cash is long gone.. we're done with the antics, terrorist financing and double speak of the snakes in turbans.. it's time to crush them, and that's what Mr. Trump is doing. Word coming out of the country (Iran) is many people there appreciate American support.. it's the only way they'll escape tyranny.
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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2020, 07:32:55 PM » |
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Yeah.... Ok.... The top guy in the Iranian military flys commercial..... That explains everything. Thats why the draft dodging " fortunate son" of a rich dude grows a set of balls when he can pull the trigger on a couple of drones. How many sons and daughters on all sides will die for this political stunt.
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2020, 08:06:57 PM » |
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Yeah Thats why the draft dodging " fortunate son" ..........
Sounds like Bill.
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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2020, 08:20:31 PM » |
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Yeah.... Ok.... The top guy in the Iranian military flys commercial..... That explains everything. Thats why the draft dodging " fortunate son" of a rich dude grows a set of balls when he can pull the trigger on a couple of drones. How many sons and daughters on all sides will die for this political stunt.
We have lost over 500 of our sons and daughters due to this "general". Is that just an expendable number to you?
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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2020, 09:56:40 PM » |
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Yeah.... Ok.... The top guy in the Iranian military flys commercial..... That explains everything. Thats why the draft dodging " fortunate son" of a rich dude grows a set of balls when he can pull the trigger on a couple of drones. How many sons and daughters on all sides will die for this political stunt.
Maybe we also wanted to take out the turds who came to greet him at the airport. Ya know, kill several turds with one stone. "Soleimani had reportedly just arrived to Baghdad on a flight from Syria. Airport logs show a Cham Wings flight arriving from Damascus at 12.34 am Friday Baghdad time, but it's unclear whether Soleiman was on that commercial flight or a private charter."
Sounds like it was a commercial flight after all. What a coward he was, hiding behind civilians. Soleimani turned out to be an unfortunate son of a poor man. Most unfortunate indeed.
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