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So I asked my selling dealer his ratio in Goldwing sales, DCT 7 speed to Manual 6 speed, 82% DCT! That is much higher in DCT than I thought. ???
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2020, 03:30:05 PM » |
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If that is true across the board , I would not be surprised if the manual is discontinued.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2020, 04:03:20 PM » |
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I have a couple of friends with the DCT africa twin and they would not go back to manual, it seams to change right when they want to (in the mode they want)
They love it
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2020, 04:47:14 PM » |
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If that is true across the board , I would not be surprised if the manual is discontinued.
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2020, 04:52:22 PM » |
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My thoughts: There really was not a learning curve - I might have looked for the shifter and clutch twice and after that I was on, and the statement that is does what it should at the right time is true. The serge forward between shifts in sport mode shocked me, very powerful. I believe Honda did their homework.
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2020, 05:47:08 PM » |
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I am glad so many do like the new DCT Gold Wings. Apparently the Engineers learned something when the "New" Valkyries flopped.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2020, 07:02:40 PM » |
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so now there are couch potatoes on the highways. Living is shifting through the gears controlling your machine not just sitting there pushing buttons.
just buy a virtual reality unit. safer and cheaper to stay home, drink beer and order a pizza.
my truck is a manual actually a theft deterrent today, young thieves can't use a clutch. they have looked on their phone appendage but there is no APP.
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2020, 07:09:20 PM » |
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My thoughts: There really was not a learning curve - I might have looked for the shifter and clutch twice and after that I was on, and the statement that is does what it should at the right time is true. The serge forward between shifts in sport mode shocked me, very powerful. I believe Honda did their homework.
One of our members in Prescott also has one. I think he loves it as much as you do. I'm glad for you, and jealous that I wimped out and didn't get one also. (And that's my 2 cents)  |
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2020, 07:21:23 PM » |
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This seems to be the direction. The new Corvette C8 will not be available in a manual at all likely ever. Only approximately 15% of the C6 models were sold as a seven speed manual. I'm not sure how I feel about this! I still enjoy shifting both my car and motorcycle at least for now.
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_Sheffjs_
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 08:03:46 PM » |
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Well crud, I’m a couch potato on the highway now. Never mind I have an ST turbo manual Focus and a get this a 98 Valk. I will go hide in shame now.  |
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2020, 08:27:07 PM » |
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Growing up, we had a push button transmission Plymouth station wagon. I was too young to drive it, but I'm glad I never had to learn to drive on that thing.   I suppose DCT is somewhat better. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2020, 02:38:42 AM » |
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I like manual transmissions.
DCT - dual clutch transmission... one clutch works 1st, 3rd and 5th... the other clutch works
2nd and 4th. There's never that place "between gears" when you're working the clutch lever
on the handlebar, it is all "go" and seamless.
-Mike "or so I read"
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2020, 06:24:45 AM » |
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I know there will be the never DCT club and even GWs, For me, I have come full circle as I have a love for all variations of F6 bikes. Yes even the 1800 Valk as performance wise as a naked bike it was unreal. Having Raymond let me use his 1800 GW the entire time in Norway gave me a serious love for the previous gen wings to the point I considered picking up a new 2016. Jack said one thing that pushed me forward to the 2018 and I’m glad he did. I know, I see Rick and he is very happy with his GW. It’s good to be open minded even though maybe I am not as I have tried bikes outside the F6 box and nice yes but not an F6.  |
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2020, 09:16:47 AM » |
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Growing up, we had a push button transmission Plymouth station wagon. I was too young to drive it, but I'm glad I never had to learn to drive on that thing. I suppose DCT is somewhat better. I had more than a couple of those excellent Mopar products They always worked well. Shifting and using the clutch, to make my girls scream when I want, would be completely missed. Sometimes I want to red line and sometimes I want to lug. If you can do that with a DCT, I wouldn't know, never rode one. To me, shifting my bike to the gear I want, when I want, is a large part of my enjoyment and having the bike decide for me, just goes against my biker grain. To each his own, that's not for me. But if that's your way, I bet their nice. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2020, 10:35:34 AM » |
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I feel the same way about manual shift bikes. I've been doing it for so long, and have the gear choice, clutch feathering, engine braking coupled with brake braking, and all the other details down to such an unthinking science, I don't want to change. (Of course, this is true for a good deal of all NEW tech in my old mind.) Now my new Dodge truck with modern auto 6-speed with auto overdrive (6 cylinder Pentastar) is not DCT, but it is unlike anything automatic I ever drove before. The shifting is really quick and seamless, and much sooner/earlier shifting than normal. I've counted, and it quickly goes to 4th just rolling out of my 25mph subdivision. Of course, this gives amazing MPG for a big heavy truck. The only complaint I have is, rolling down a long incline at any speed, if you just take your foot off the gas to coast (which would keep speed pretty constant in older transmissions), the thing gently downshifts and slows you down more than you intend. So your old default driving style has to be tweaked a bit for new tech. Now that old '62 Plymouth Belvedere station wagon was possibly the ugliest car ever devised by Detroit. Ours was well worn with a lot of rust holes, and when mom drove us around we had to lay cardboard down over the rotted out rear seat floors, so the puddles didn't splash up and muddy our school clothes.   Detroit had finally gotten away from the big fins in back, but they just couldn't help themselves. However, that Belvedere was a real step up from mom's first car. When we finally had enough money to have a two car household (and I mean like $100 extra dollars), she got something like this. She had painted houses to get through college, so she slapped two coats of white over the rust (wheels, bumpers and everything), with a 4" brush (it didn't even look that bad, from way down the street). Dad was practical, it only needed to run good, not look good.  Sorry for the drift. (I'm bored) |
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2020, 11:09:23 AM » |
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Growing up, we had a push button transmission Plymouth station wagon. I was too young to drive it, but I'm glad I never had to learn to drive on that thing. I suppose DCT is somewhat better. I had more than a couple of those excellent Mopar products They always worked well. Shifting and using the clutch, to make my girls scream when I want, would be completely missed. Sometimes I want to red line and sometimes I want to lug. If you can do that with a DCT, I wouldn't know, never rode one. To me, shifting my bike to the gear I want, when I want, is a large part of my enjoyment and having the bike decide for me, just goes against my biker grain. To each his own, that's not for me. But if that's your way, I bet their nice. Bill, they have a manual shift on the handlebars. Or you can add on a foot shifter. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2020, 01:24:50 PM » |
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Bill, they have a manual shift on the handlebars. Or you can add on a foot shifter. Well, like I said, never rode one. Heck, never even seen one.  How does the shift on the handlebars work? Like a paddle shift? Do they have total auto mode and manual mode? Just no clutch lever? |
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2020, 01:29:34 PM » |
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do tell Jerry, what was the one thing Jack said to push you into a 2018 ?? ???
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2020, 01:31:32 PM » |
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Bill, they have a manual shift on the handlebars. Or you can add on a foot shifter. Well, like I said, never rode one. Heck, never even seen one. How does the shift on the handlebars work? Like a paddle shift? Do they have total auto mode and manual mode? Just no clutch lever? Pretty much, more like a rocker switch. |
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2020, 04:12:07 PM » |
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do tell Jerry, what was the one thing Jack said to push you into a 2018 ?? ???
Go forward with the new technology and lighter weight. |
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2020, 05:53:31 PM » |
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do tell Jerry, what was the one thing Jack said to push you into a 2018 ?? ???
Go forward with the new technology and lighter weight. Funny you took me serious Jerry.............. I read that on a fortune cookie Seriously, I test rode a DCT last year in Daytona and the test wide was only like 3 miles and I felt like it would have taken no time to get used to the DCT. All I hear is positive reviews on the DCT so far and that's a good thing I think you made the right decision, enjoy your new ride |
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2020, 06:21:21 PM » |
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2020, 06:39:08 PM » |
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Personally, I like my Manual trans on both the Harley nd the Valk. That being said, if I could afford a DCT Wing Trike for Roxie, I'd grab it in a minute.
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2020, 08:03:14 AM » |
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The pro and cons for manual or automatic transmissions, will be the start of many discussions in years to come. Just like fuel injection or carburetors have been in the hot rod world. When I was looking for a Jeep to purchase, it had to be manual to hold the gears out for sand and dirt roads, that’s what I wanted. My F150, of course is an automatic, all about comfort there.
I have nothing against DCT technology, But I enjoy shifting my bike thru the gears. Motorcycles are evolving to better suit the new age rider, taking the restriction Out of learning to shift will make it easier for some that either don’t know how to shift or have a handy cap that would otherwise hold them back from enjoying this great hobby. My daughter’s 30 year old boyfriend can not drive a manual, but can ride a scooter, (they rented them while on vacation), I’m sure he could ride a DCT bike if he wanted too. that’s the possible new owner of one of these bikes and member to this hobby.
I taught my daughter how to shift, So if someday the senecio popped up and she was needed to drive a manual trany.
Bottom line is, it’s not about the bike it’s about the ride. we all enjoy that part.
My 3 cents.
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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2020, 08:06:18 AM » |
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I don't think us non-DCTers should think of DCT as something that is
not performance gear...
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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2020, 08:47:05 AM » |
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I don't think us non-DCTers should think of DCT as something that is
not performance gear...
-Mike "I haven't tried it..."
I’m pretty sure if I lined up my manual 18 Wing against a DCT, the DCT would win. I simply can’t shift as fast as a computer and a dual clutch. Having said that, I’m still glad I got the manual. Less to go wrong, more “feel” for the ride. ...having said that, those who chose the DCT are no less of a rider. Just difference preferences. |
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2020, 10:30:09 AM » |
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And this thread is not to sway anyone to this new option, it will always be a personal preference. My intent of the thread is just to talk about motorcycles in a general way, liven up the board, something new. Except Jack, jack needs to get one LOL Just kidding. My 98 was parked at work yesterday and I passed it many times in my 10 hour day. Se sure is sexy! On my way home about 10P as I was leaving the city parts for a more open area, the cool air gave her a mind of her own and she left me hanging on! Don't worry I did not forget how to shift to fit the spirit.  |
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2020, 04:53:06 PM » |
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This seems to be the direction. The new Corvette C8 will not be available in a manual at all likely ever. Only approximately 15% of the C6 models were sold as a seven speed manual. I'm not sure how I feel about this! I still enjoy shifting both my car and motorcycle at least for now.
I feel the same way. I have always believed that “sports cars” should be a stick shift and have two doors. But, times are changing to meet the demands of the majority of the population. I just hope they never come out with a four door Corvette. I may go for a DCT as I get older and if it is too difficult for me to operate a clutch. It does seem intriguing to have the choice of optional types of shifting. |
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2020, 05:13:07 PM » |
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I just hope they never come out with a four door Corvette.
Ford has a battery powered Mustang that is an SUV. The four door
Corvette can't be far behind!
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I just hope they never come out with a four door Corvette.
Ford has a battery powered Mustang that is an SUV. The four door
Corvette can't be far behind!
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2020, 06:41:52 PM » |
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so, Jerry, tell me................. Since your cutie is now retired (at least for a while) ..... And you have a DCT....... Would it now not be proper to call you guys "shiftless"? Just thinking outside the box a bit as usual ! |
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2020, 07:12:25 PM » |
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so, Jerry, tell me................. Since your cutie is now retired (at least for a while) ..... And you have a DCT....... Would it now not be proper to call you guys "shiftless"? Just thinking outside the box a bit as usual ! yes indeed however I need the shiftless part to pertain to my work as well but I have to hang in for a time. Gosh it would be so nice to ride now whenever and wherever I want. |
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so, Jerry, tell me................. Since your cutie is now retired (at least for a while) ..... And you have a DCT....... Would it now not be proper to call you guys "shiftless"? Just thinking outside the box a bit as usual ! yes indeed however I need the shiftless part to pertain to work as well but I have to hang in for a time. Gosh it would be so nice to ride now whenever and wherever I want. at least without having to shift you can shoot like the cowboys use to do while riding.  |
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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2020, 04:35:27 AM » |
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so, Jerry, tell me................. Since your cutie is now retired (at least for a while) ..... And you have a DCT....... Would it now not be proper to call you guys "shiftless"? Just thinking outside the box a bit as usual ! yes indeed however I need the shiftless part to pertain to work as well but I have to hang in for a time. Gosh it would be so nice to ride now whenever and wherever I want. at least without having to shift you can shoot like the cowboys use to do while riding. If you say so. |
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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2020, 07:31:12 AM » |
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And here I thought I was thinking outside the box!
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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2020, 10:22:15 AM » |
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Maybe I started the most branched out thread ever?
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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2020, 06:01:59 PM » |
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No Matter what comes out in the future, we can all agree that No other machine turns heads like our Fat Girls !! I love the FJR for what it is, but it will never be a classic, or a head turner.
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2020, 06:04:16 PM » |
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Jerry's New Name is Shiftless Sheffer |
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