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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2020, 06:58:58 AM » |
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Please do me a favor and do not respond to the troll in this thread.
Thank you.
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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2020, 08:16:38 AM » |
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I was wondering what would it take to remove Northam from office. The thing I worry about is Northam sets in motion unconstitutional laws, gets people to suffer the consequences, then he gets off totally without consequence. People like Northam never seem to bear the consequences of their actions.
Sounds familiar.... So tell me Bob,what rights have you lost since Trump has been elected? I have asked a lot of liberals that question. So far NONE have answered.. Northam is doing just that. If he has his way the people of Virginia will be unarmed. He is trying to take their RIGHT to own firearms away. That is a violation of the second amendment not to mention a violating of the Virginia constitution as well. So again tell me who is trying to remove rights |
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2020, 08:17:34 AM » |
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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2020, 08:19:24 AM » |
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Baldo's right. It does sound familiar like Obama and Hillary and Holder and Podesta and Lois Lerner and John Koskinen and Lorreta Lynch and Susan Rice, etc.
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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2020, 09:32:42 AM » |
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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2020, 10:41:15 AM » |
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"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
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« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2020, 11:39:45 AM » |
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Rather than millions of Virginians in western counties attempting to quit VA and join WVa, I propose we get rid of about a dozen or two VA politicians.
It would be a lot more expedient, do more good for us eastern Virginians, and reduce the foul smell from our fine VA air.
But I'm very grateful for my WVa brother's offer.
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« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2020, 05:49:31 PM » |
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« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2020, 07:18:10 PM » |
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https://www.ammoland.com/2020/01/goa-and-vcdl-seek-an-injunction-against-northams-gun-banRichmond, VA –- On Wednesday, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam issued a state of emergency in direct response to the VCDL Lobby Day that is taking place on Monday, January 20th. The state of emergency bans all weapons, including guns, from Capitol Square from Friday night until Tuesday morning. The emergency action will also ban items like helmets and shields.
In the Governor's press conference, Northam claimed he was worry about another Charlottesville happening in Richmond. In Charlottesville, white nationalists and Antifa clashed at the “Unite the Right Rally”. There was widespread violence.
Many observers blamed the Governor and the police for the violent outbreaks. The Governor used his emergency powers to cancel the rally after the participants gathered to hear the speakers, and then the police funneled the white nationalists out of the park where they gathered directly into the waiting Antifa mob. The two groups started clashing with each other and fighting. The rally ended on the death of Heather Heyer at the hands of a car driven by a white nationalist.
White nationalist groups are not part of the VCLD's Lobby Day. The only issue discussed on Lobby Day by the attendees is gun rights. The local Antifa group has also spoken out against the Democrat's anti-gun bills.
Even though there has never been violence at any Lobby Day in the past, the Governor still insists his ban is necessary. He claims it is for the safety of the lawmakers and the public. Most attendees at Lobby Day will have conceal handgun permits which means they have been through extensive criminal background checks. CHP holders have a much lower crime rate than the general population.
“No weapons will be allowed on capitol grounds. This includes everything from sticks and bats to chains and projectiles,” Northam said at the press conference.
The Governor claims Virginia agencies have received credible threats against the Democrat-controlled government. Northam didn't say what the danger was or who was making the threats. The Virginia State Police referred AmmoLand to the Governor's office for information about the threats. They were not able to confirm or deny the Governor’s claims.
In response to the ban, Gun Owners of America and the Virginia Citizens Defense League have asked the court to issue an injunction to stop the gun ban from going into effect. At the heart of the request is a 2012 law that prevents the Governor from banning guns by using a state of emergency.
https://www.scribd.com/document/443198777/Complaint-and-Application-for-Temp-Injunction-as-FILED#from_embedAny who would donate to this litigation can do so here: https://gunowners.org/goa-and-vcdl-file-suit-to-strike-down-gov-northams-illegal-gun-ban/
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« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2020, 08:02:19 PM » |
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well it seems northam wants to enslave people just his family used to own slaves.
plus he wants to kill babies after they are born.
somewhere in his life he has lost his mind.
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« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2020, 04:30:53 AM » |
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Why not just recall the SOBs for violation of their oaths to protect and defend the US constitution and for infringing upon the rights of VA citizens. Oh, and make bird out of them while your at it.
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« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2020, 09:56:30 AM » |
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I was wondering what would it take to remove Northam from office. The thing I worry about is Northam sets in motion unconstitutional laws, gets people to suffer the consequences, then he gets off totally without consequence. People like Northam never seem to bear the consequences of their actions.
Sounds familiar.... So tell me Bob,what rights have you lost since Trump has been elected? Still waiting for an answer. It's not a tough question. |
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« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2020, 12:08:59 PM » |
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Well now that you've reminded them that'll be short lived. (One might reasonably believe people ought to actually shoot at a range to show minimum competency. Although the 2d amendment makes no mention at all of government permit licensing as a precondition to liberty.) Mark Herring, our Dem AG, already diddled our permitting process a while back in such a way that VA permit holders lost many of their reciprocal states, and visa versa. It was then (quickly) fixed with great bipartisan effort, and VA suddenly recognized all other 50 states permits. With Bloomburg funding, they are diddling the process again, and the same wide ranging loss of reciprocity may happen again. Moe, Larry and Curly (and Joseph, Mao and Adolph) hard at work. https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-lawmakers-your-drivers-license-will-still-work-in-our-state-but-your-gun-permit-wont/ |
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« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2020, 12:35:19 PM » |
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Some states require no training on line or otherwise. Fill out necessary paper work with the local Sherriff’s office thenwait a couple of weeks on a background check. |
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« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2020, 12:44:53 PM » |
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To whom ever may be attending tomorrow, good luck. This has the build up to be an historic event which may open the eyes for the rest of the states to follow if all goes well.
Be safe and stay on your toes not to be drawn into a situation that has been set up to cause problems.
I hope this has a positive result for our 2A rights.
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« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2020, 01:50:47 PM » |
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question?
Do I, anybody, or the news media have to get a background check and wait a couple of weeks before any talking is done to exercise their 1st amendment Right?
Proverbs 18:21 - Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue
James 3:8 - But the tongue can no man tame; [it is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Proverbs 12:18 - There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword
Proverbs 12:6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood
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« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2020, 03:42:58 PM » |
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« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2020, 04:56:30 PM » |
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Some states require no training on line or otherwise. Fill out necessary paper work with the local Sherriff’s office thenwait a couple of weeks on a background check. Indiana is one of those states. There is no training required here. I would have no problem with a test to make sure you can hit the target. If not then you get training. I have been at the indoor range with people that have trouble hitting the target let alone the bullseye. Some even hit to ceiling. I do like the fact we can get a lifetime permit. |
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« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2020, 04:59:10 PM » |
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Indiana is one of those states. There is no training required here. I would have no problem with a test to make sure you can hit the target. If not then you get training. I have been at the indoor range with people that have trouble hitting the target let alone the bullseye. Some even hit to ceiling. I do like the fact we can get a lifetime permit. Here in NE GA the process is very simple. No classes. Metro Atlanta and they make you jump through hoops. No classes. Some states require no training on line or otherwise. Fill out necessary paper work with the local Sherriff’s office thenwait a couple of weeks on a background check. |
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« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2020, 05:04:37 PM » |
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It's not even so much hitting the target as basic safe handling of a loaded firearm, and not pointing it at people, and dropping it, and shooting your foot, and clearing a jam. And religiously following the 3-4 basic rules.
Then, if you can do all that, hitting a one foot square target at 20 feet would be nice.
I remain conflicted on no limits on law abiding carry, versus some demonstration of minimal safety.
I have felt safer on mean city streets than at a gun range, several times.
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« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2020, 05:08:30 PM » |
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It's not even so much hitting the target as basic safe handling of a loaded firearm, and not pointing it at people, and dropping it, and shooting your foot, and clearing a jam. And religiously following the 3-4 basic rules.
Then, if you can do all that, hitting a one foot square target at 20 feet would be nice.
I remain conflicted on no limits on law abiding carry, versus some demonstration of minimal safety.
I have felt safer on mean city streets than at a gun range, several times.
I'm not conflicted. There are many who should not be allowed anywhere near a car or a gun. |
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« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2020, 05:10:18 PM » |
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Wish we could get a lifetime permit only 5 yrs allowed here. Still good for two more years  |
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« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2020, 05:15:30 PM » |
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It's not even so much hitting the target as basic safe handling of a loaded firearm, and not pointing it at people, and dropping it, and shooting your foot, and clearing a jam. And religiously following the 3-4 basic rules.
Then, if you can do all that, hitting a one foot square target at 20 feet would be nice.
I remain conflicted on no limits on law abiding carry, versus some demonstration of minimal safety.
I have felt safer on mean city streets than at a gun range, several times.
I'm not conflicted. There are many who should not be allowed anywhere near a car or a gun. and those people prove that point daily. You dont have CC holders committing these shootings that brings about the knee jerk reaction “WE MUST BAN GUNS. THEY ARE KILLING OUR CHILDREN!” Anyone who spews that crap has zero idea about firearms, and probably never touched one or needed one. I went to the range yesterday and shot upwards of 350 rounds and it was a great day and what made it better was seeing young single women in there shooting. (All races) tells me all hope isnt lost. |
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« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2020, 05:28:59 PM » |
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When I lived in PA, you paid a $17 fee for a 5 year permit. I sent the money and the application form in to the sheriff's office and after a couple of months they notified me to come pick up my permit. I'm assuming they do a back ground check during that period. Anyway, when the deputy handed it to me I asked are there any rules or anything I should know. He thought about it for a few minutes and just said don't do anything stupid.
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« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2020, 05:39:18 PM » |
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Tennessee no longer requires classroom/range training for cc.
90 min. online training on law, handling & storage.
Open carry/cc still requires 8 hr. class plus range training.
Millions of gun owners out there that have no official training. You are not required to have training to purchase a firearm.
Millions of legal gun owners out there that have never even passed a background check, because they never purchased from a FFL dealer.
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« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2020, 06:13:20 PM » |
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Yes, knowledge of the law is just as important as knowledge of safe firearm handling. Clearly, understanding the laws of self defense, brandishing, discharge, prohibited places, reasonableness of action, disclosure of concealed carry, castle doctrine, duty to retreat, protecting life vs property is certainly much more difficult than simple safe handling of a firearm (4 basic rules).
If it wasn't for the 10 thousand state and federal firearms laws, this would not be as big an issue.
It really ought to be dads (moms), uncles, older brothers, friends and family that teach basic handing and safety, not the state. I was fully immersed in the gun culture at a young age. Dad had me out with a pistol at about 11, and in an hour and a half I understood the rules (not the law though).
I suppose if we added gun safety/law in schools (like driver's ed) (and like only one or two full days would do it, and with no actual firearms, just training aids), heads would explode (but lives and injuries would be saved). But teaching kids that it's OK to be the other sex is jim dandy.
Without getting into any detail, the other day I discovered a problem with a particular firearm I could have from a 2016 VA law I had never heard of. And I pride myself on staying up on this stuff, including every sate I ever travel in. I'm like wait a minute, I bought this firearm from a VA FFL last year. So I find the law, and read it all, and near the bottom I discover that military, police and VA permit holders are exempt from this restriction. OK I have a permit so I'm good. Now anyone could own this firearm in their home (thus the FFL sale), but leaving the home with it could be a problem for a non permit holder.
And it's just that easy to run afoul of the thousand rules and regulations, innocently in ignorance .
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« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2020, 06:19:34 PM » |
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Jess you were talking about gun saftey being taught in school. Not a bad idea IMHO. We had it in the boy scouts. I even won a sharp shooter metal at camp one year  . Still got it somewhere  |
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« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2020, 06:25:27 PM » |
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The only shooting I got in Boy Scouts (besides a lot of bow shooting) was shooting single shot rifles at clay pigeons with .22LR shot shells. In 50 shots, I never even chipped a pigeon; talk about frustration. Almost no one on the firing line ever hit one. Not only do 22 shot shells through almost no weight with little spread, they used a machine to pitch the pigeons at like 80 mph. There were a bunch of pissed off boy scouts that day. All we did was make noise.  It was some years later that someone first mentioned leading the targets to me. And I once got thrown off the bow range, for crawling around on all fours trying to find an arrow lost under the grass, well behind my target. They almost started shooting again with me still out there. Well, we only got 3 arrows. |
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« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2020, 06:44:07 PM » |
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To any patriots in Virginia tomorrow, in the words of this dude:  "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." I hope it doesn't come to that, but if that's the price of freedom, well.... the Tree of Liberty might need a little watering..... |
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« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2020, 08:07:33 PM » |
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The only shooting I got in Boy Scouts (besides a lot of bow shooting) was shooting single shot rifles at clay pigeons with .22LR shot shells. In 50 shots, I never even chipped a pigeon; talk about frustration. Almost no one on the firing line ever hit one. Not only do 22 shot shells through almost no weight with little spread, they used a machine to pitch the pigeons at like 80 mph. There were a bunch of pissed off boy scouts that day. All we did was make noise. It was some years later that someone first mentioned leading the targets to me. And I once got thrown off the bow range, for crawling around on all fours trying to find an arrow lost under the grass, well behind my target. They almost started shooting again with me still out there. Well, we only got 3 arrows. We got to shoot many different caliber rifles and shotguns too. What a blast. Pun intended. Serk Incould not agree more. |
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« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2020, 09:05:06 PM » |
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I think a lot of scouting activities had to do with your local geography. We met at the gym of a local Naval Air Station (prop only), with the 3d largest indoor pool in the world (at the time) on an Island.
No shooting was allowed on the island (except duck/goose hunting out in the water). So there was a lot of swimming, lifesaving, canoeing, sailing, camping, pioneering, and even an aviation merit badge. My mile swim was only like 37 laps of that pool.
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« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2020, 01:16:41 PM » |
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I followed as much as I could on the news today and I glad from what I’ve seen nothing went bad and seemed peaceful. I’m waiting to see later what is going to be spun to make it appear it was not a peaceful demonstration.
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« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2020, 07:03:36 PM » |
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It was peaceful, but boisterous and well armed. It was exactly as I thought, some went through security into the pen, others stayed armed (or not) outside. I was happy to see VA sheriffs in uniform stand with us. And many good folks from out of state. Some news says 22,000.... but most news says a few thousand. It likely was closer to 40K. Many people drove in and could not find parking and left. Northam had urged the private garages to close for security, and most were. If any hooligans came to start trouble, they must have changed their mind. Anybody paying attention should notice that a very large number of well armed people spent a day standing up for their constitutional rights, and no one got shot. Once again showing that it's men, not firearms that do evil. WILL THE ENEMY LISTEN? (the $64,000 question) (if not, this was extremely good practice for future events)                         This is the well regulated militia. And everyone picked up their own trash. To my knowledge, there was only one arrest. Word is she and her boyfriend were bad mouthing everyone and the cops walking by. The arrest was (technically) for wearing a face mask (3d warning), and for those who do not know, much of the South has old KKK laws in place to prohibit masks from hiding identity. Now it was pretty cold and thousands of masks, shemaghs, balaclavas were being worn all over (including all the State Troopers in ballclavas, at first). And it was not made an issue all day with anyone else as far as I know. But for her conduct, an exception was made.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07LAMQTUGtQFor what it's worth, this is almost certainly the largest show of civilian armed force in US History. Northan would say it was peaceful because of his herculean efforts to militarize the event. but he is a liar. It was peaceful because the citizen militia wanted it that way. |
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What does the oath of office mean? "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge all the duties incumbent upon me as .......... according to the best of my ability, (so help me God)." https://cura.vcu.edu/land-use-education/what-does-the-oath-of-office-mean/Virginia. 85 out of 95 counties, 10 out of 38 independent cities, and 19 towns have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions: Answer, nothing to Ralph Northam He does not have the popular support in this action, he is violating his oath of office and people rights, so why is he doing this? What reason should he not be removed from office? |
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« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2020, 05:55:35 AM » |
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Only reason I can think of is that it would take too much effort - just wait until the next election.
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« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2020, 06:12:15 AM » |
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I’m waiting to see later what is going to be spun to make it appear it was not a peaceful demonstration.
Yesterday on the fabulous "Yahoo news" the only article I saw was titled something like "Protester shouts F-you to MSNBC reporter" And the picture showed a reporter facing a camera with an older, gray-haired, bearded, white guy standing just behind him! I think it was from "politico" so I didn't read it figuring it was trash anyways! But I did read some of the "opinions" and pretty much all of them brought up the 1st amendment reminding everyone that a-holes like dinero / madonna said the same thing to President Trump and got praise from the left! And a lot of commenters stated that it was a peaceful rally! |
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