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Some may have noticed and wondered about certain posts being removed.
Our Rules of the Road indicate that disrespectful commenting is not allowed. I interpret that5 to include name-calling of other posters and using demeaning diminutive names to refer to public figures supported by other members. The latter has occurred much too often in the past and enough is more than enough.
Public figures supported by other members may include the President of the United States, political candidates and others. Honestly if you have that habit at all you should break it. It is by nature disrespectful communication and is juvenile at best.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2020, 05:13:57 PM » |
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It is a fine line, hard to miss but easy to miss at the same time
I have found it wise to never immediately post what I have written and when in doubt, delete the word you want to use and think of another
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2020, 06:19:57 AM » |
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Why allow any political posts? It’s a motorcycle information board. You don’t allow pornography because it’s offensive, why allow anything political? Chances are about 50% of the general public disagrees (less on this board). You’ll probably say “if it’s political don’t read it”. Deleting all political posts solves the problem. Just my opinion.
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Wizzard
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 07:11:53 AM » |
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Why allow any political posts? It’s a motorcycle information board. You don’t allow pornography because it’s offensive, why allow anything political? Chances are about 50% of the general public disagrees (less on this board). You’ll probably say “if it’s political don’t read it”. Deleting all political posts solves the problem. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 07:17:17 AM » |
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Why allow any political posts? It’s a motorcycle information board. You don’t allow pornography because it’s offensive, why allow anything political? Chances are about 50% of the general public disagrees (less on this board). You’ll probably say “if it’s political don’t read it”. Deleting all political posts solves the problem. Just my opinion.
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Alberta Patriot
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 08:19:59 AM » |
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Why allow any political posts? It’s a motorcycle information board. You don’t allow pornography because it’s offensive, why allow anything political? Chances are about 50% of the general public disagrees (less on this board). You’ll probably say “if it’s political don’t read it”. Deleting all political posts solves the problem. Just my opinion.
Have you seen the VOA forum lately? Delphi Valkyrie Riders Forum...one post January, previous one November 28...RIP Delphi Stratoliner/Roadliner Forum...not much better, no Religious/Political posts allowed. |
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Wizzard
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 09:05:55 AM » |
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Politics is a part of life. If you cannot read political posts without getting your shorts in your crack then don't read them. We all read magazines and books and choose what we read. That is the benefits of a free society. I see all kinds of stuff politically that I don't like, but sometimes its the mixture that holds my interest. If you can't read opposing views without getting upset it speaks something about your character.
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2020, 10:32:41 AM » |
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It will never change. One voicing his/her opinion is free speech. But some post and demand their post is right and yours is wrong. You can call names, show web sites links. No matter what is posted you will never change a persons view on the subject. Getting mad and trying to make the other person look foolish to me is childish. Two of the worst topics to talk about is Religion and politics. you can take 2 guys who love motorcycling and can talk all day. Once the 2 other subjects are mentioned these once pretty good fellows will possible blow up and hate and never talk to each other again. Just because they can't agree to disagree. JMO
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2020, 10:59:31 AM » |
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It will never change. One voicing his/her opinion is free speech. But some post and demand their post is right and yours is wrong. You can call names, show web sites links. No matter what is posted you will never change a persons view on the subject. Getting mad and trying to make the other person look foolish to me is childish. Two of the worst topics to talk about is Religion and politics. you can take 2 guys who love motorcycling and can talk all day. Once the 2 other subjects are mentioned these once pretty good fellows will possible blow up and hate and never talk to each other again. Just because they can't agree to disagree. JMO
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2020, 12:46:35 PM » |
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It will never change. One voicing his/her opinion is free speech. But some post and demand their post is right and yours is wrong. You can call names, show web sites links. No matter what is posted you will never change a persons view on the subject. Getting mad and trying to make the other person look foolish to me is childish. Two of the worst topics to talk about is Religion and politics. you can take 2 guys who love motorcycling and can talk all day. Once the 2 other subjects are mentioned these once pretty good fellows will possible blow up and hate and never talk to each other again. Just because they can't agree to disagree. JMO
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Real men can discuss their differences and remain friends and not get all bent out of shape. Both of these. Do i git my knickers in a twist? Yup-but i try very hard to NOT show it here. Every once in awhile I AM successful in keepin to myself!  RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2020, 01:15:03 PM » |
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The political posts here, which the clear majority here enjoy writing and reading and sharing information and discussing between us (and mostly in pretty consistent agreement) are good and interesting. Among the clear majority, it promotes good fellowship and camaraderie and a forum synergy among the membership.
The 2-3 naysayers should not get to prohibit, or cause deletion or locking of posts the clear majority enjoy. And if everyone would just ignore the 2-3, there wouldn't be any arguments at all. (Except the arguments they have with themselves, which is their free speech right too.) Stop enabling them by arguing with them (and getting threads edited or locked, and Carl's blood pressure up).
And try to stick to the rules of the road.
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2020, 01:18:19 PM » |
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I get most of my political news here. I enjoy both sides.
I agree that personal attacks and name calling should be removed, but the political discussion should be allowed.
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2020, 01:30:37 PM » |
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Why allow any political posts? It’s a motorcycle information board. You don’t allow pornography because it’s offensive, why allow anything political? Chances are about 50% of the general public disagrees (less on this board). You’ll probably say “if it’s political don’t read it”. Deleting all political posts solves the problem. Just my opinion.
Ok so because you don't like them or cannot stop yourself from reading them, just ban them for everyone? So much for free speech. Well I knew that was coming. I don’t think the 1st amendment writers had the Valkyrie motorcycle message board in mind when they drafted the amendment. If you want free speech start your own political message board. This is a motorcycle message board. Should we talk about boats? Sports? Cigars? Where does it end? |
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Wizzard
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2020, 01:36:39 PM » |
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Why allow any political posts? It’s a motorcycle information board. You don’t allow pornography because it’s offensive, why allow anything political? Chances are about 50% of the general public disagrees (less on this board). You’ll probably say “if it’s political don’t read it”. Deleting all political posts solves the problem. Just my opinion.
Ok so because you don't like them or cannot stop yourself from reading them, just ban them for everyone? So much for free speech. Well I knew that was coming. I don’t think the 1st amendment writers had the Valkyrie motorcycle message board in mind when they drafted the amendment. If you want free speech start your own political message board. This is a motorcycle message board. Should we talk about boats? Sports? Cigars? Where does it end? Yes, post whatever you want, and if you don't want to read something, don't. BTW your subject matters were great. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2020, 05:50:35 AM » |
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The political posts here, which the clear majority here enjoy writing and reading and sharing information and discussing between us (and mostly in pretty consistent agreement) are good and interesting. Among the clear majority, it promotes good fellowship and camaraderie and a forum synergy among the membership.
I have seen more than a few conservatives here post this sentiment. It seems odd to me. “I come here because everyone else thinks like I do” seems akin to a echo chamber.
The 2-3 naysayers should not get to prohibit, or cause deletion or locking of posts the clear majority enjoy.
You would have to ask Willow, but I’d be willing to bet that most threads are locked, deleted due to something said by others. The “2-3 naysayers” have little power here. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2020, 06:16:26 AM » |
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The political posts here, which the clear majority here enjoy writing and reading and sharing information and discussing between us (and mostly in pretty consistent agreement) are good and interesting. Among the clear majority, it promotes good fellowship and camaraderie and a forum synergy among the membership.
I have seen more than a few conservatives here post this sentiment. It seems odd to me. “I come here because everyone else thinks like I do” seems akin to a circle jerk.
The 2-3 naysayers should not get to prohibit, or cause deletion or locking of posts the clear majority enjoy.
You would have to ask Willow, but I’d be willing to bet that most threads are locked, deleted due to something said by others. The “2-3 naysayers” have little power here. I seems to me the naysayers step in and light the fuse. You just gave your opinion about the majority as being interested in a circle jerk. That is what infuriates many, it’s very condescending and not appreciated. Disagree all you want but remain respectful. Of course this applies to everyone not just naysayers. Also submit the naysayers have just as much power as any other member. If I act like an asshole, I expect to be treated like an asshole. |
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2020, 06:31:00 AM » |
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Yeah, the "circle jerk" comment is simply vulgar. A better term is "echo chamber".
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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2020, 06:32:53 AM » |
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The political posts here, which the clear majority here enjoy writing and reading and sharing information and discussing between us (and mostly in pretty consistent agreement) are good and interesting. Among the clear majority, it promotes good fellowship and camaraderie and a forum synergy among the membership.
I have seen more than a few conservatives here post this sentiment. It seems odd to me. “I come here because everyone else thinks like I do” seems akin to a circle jerk.
The 2-3 naysayers should not get to prohibit, or cause deletion or locking of posts the clear majority enjoy.
You would have to ask Willow, but I’d be willing to bet that most threads are locked, deleted due to something said by others. The “2-3 naysayers” have little power here. I seems to me the naysayers step in and light the fuse. You just gave your opinion about the majority as being interested in a circle jerk. That is what infuriates many, it’s very condescending and not appreciated. Disagree all you want but remain respectful. Of course this applies to everyone not just naysayers. Also submit the naysayers have just as much power as any other member. If I act like an asshole, I expect to be treated like an asshole. You should reread what I wrote. “More than a few” does not equal the “majority”. Just to be more clear, it’s probably only 4 or 5 that I have seen express this sentiment. |
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2020, 06:33:57 AM » |
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Yeah, the "circle jerk" comment is simply vulgar. A better term is "echo chamber".
you are probably correct. I will edit my post. |
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f6john
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2020, 06:52:04 AM » |
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The political posts here, which the clear majority here enjoy writing and reading and sharing information and discussing between us (and mostly in pretty consistent agreement) are good and interesting. Among the clear majority, it promotes good fellowship and camaraderie and a forum synergy among the membership.
I have seen more than a few conservatives here post this sentiment. It seems odd to me. “I come here because everyone else thinks like I do” seems akin to a circle jerk.
The 2-3 naysayers should not get to prohibit, or cause deletion or locking of posts the clear majority enjoy.
You would have to ask Willow, but I’d be willing to bet that most threads are locked, deleted due to something said by others. The “2-3 naysayers” have little power here. I seems to me the naysayers step in and light the fuse. You just gave your opinion about the majority as being interested in a circle jerk. That is what infuriates many, it’s very condescending and not appreciated. Disagree all you want but remain respectful. Of course this applies to everyone not just naysayers. Also submit the naysayers have just as much power as any other member. If I act like an asshole, I expect to be treated like an asshole. You should reread what I wrote. “More than a few” does not equal the “majority”. Just to be more clear, it’s probably only 4 or 5 that I have seen express this sentiment. It is equally offensive whether more than a few or majority. Maybe you should reconsider how you come across evidenced by my reaction as I’m sure you know that you are constantly telling people to reread your comments. |
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2020, 07:14:34 AM » |
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It is equally offensive that I pointed out some like to come here for an echo chamber vibe ? ???
I only direct people to reread something when their take on it is so incongruous with what I wrote.
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Wizzard
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2020, 07:36:14 AM » |
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Some may have noticed and wondered about certain posts being removed.
Our Rules of the Road indicate that disrespectful commenting is not allowed. I interpret that5 to include name-calling of other posters and using demeaning diminutive names to refer to public figures supported by other members. The latter has occurred much too often in the past and enough is more than enough.
Public figures supported by other members may include the President of the United States, political candidates and others. Honestly if you have that habit at all you should break it. It is by nature disrespectful communication and is juvenile at best.
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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2020, 10:51:56 AM » |
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Why allow any political posts? It’s a motorcycle information board. You don’t allow pornography because it’s offensive, why allow anything political? Chances are about 50% of the general public disagrees (less on this board). You’ll probably say “if it’s political don’t read it”. Deleting all political posts solves the problem. Just my opinion.
Ok so because you don't like them or cannot stop yourself from reading them, just ban them for everyone? So much for free speech. Well I knew that was coming. I don’t think the 1st amendment writers had the Valkyrie motorcycle message board in mind when they drafted the amendment. If you want free speech start your own political message board. This is a motorcycle message board. Should we talk about boats? Sports? Cigars? Where does it end? The way I see it, I can choose what I click on or don't click on. Some are interested in political discussion and some are not. Some prefer lite beer while others prefer stout.. I like beer  .. and whiskey.. and tequila.. and.. |
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Wizzard
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2020, 10:54:40 AM » |
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[/quote] The way I see it, I can choose what I click on or don't click on. Some are interested in political discussion and some are not. Some prefer lite beer while others prefer stout.. I like beer .. and whiskey.. and tequila.. and.. [/quote] Some more great subjects |
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2020, 11:14:38 AM » |
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If a bunch of us are enjoying ourselves having a good right handed circle jerk, feel free to not offer us a left handed reach around.
Having said that, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion.... just like everyone.
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2020, 11:21:49 AM » |
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If a bunch of us are enjoying ourselves having a good right handed circle jerk, feel free to not offer us a left handed reach around.
Having said that, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion.... just like everyone.
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If a bunch of us are enjoying ourselves having a good right handed circle jerk, feel free to not offer us a left handed reach around.
Having said that, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion.... just like everyone.
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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2020, 03:17:43 PM » |
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If a bunch of us are enjoying ourselves having a good right handed circle jerk, feel free to not offer us a left handed reach around.
Having said that, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion.... just like everyone.
Had not thought about! Rob who seems to be speaking for the naysayers just doesn't want to be left out! I speak for no one, but myself. (I’ll pass on your “echo chamber” offer) I guess we will have to take your word on that, just a lone voice in the wilderness. |
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2020, 04:54:58 AM » |
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I get most of my political news here. That blows my mind. Glad you enjoyed it Tony, let me clarify. I should have stated, all the political news I want, I get here. It's enough for me. |
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