John Schmidt
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« on: January 21, 2020, 05:17:13 PM » |
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Anybody have a set(or more) you want to unload before I order some. Scored a pretty nice set of Viking pipes(secret source) and want to get the headers coated before making the switch. Trying to decide if I want regular powder coating or ceramic coating. The ceramic needs a breakin involving running/riding the bike for an hour or so, something not possible with snow on the ground. I would think the powder coat process would be more than sufficient but looking for advice from those with experience. As for the gaskets, contact me direct if you like: stuffy402@gmail.com and let me know if you have a PayPal account. |
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2020, 05:52:17 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2020, 06:13:20 PM » |
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I have no experience, but have read ceramic is much better for heat control. I've also read you can't powdercoat chrome (without blasting them).
Ceramic likely more expensive.
I'd contact a couple powdercoaters and ask what they think (and warrant) about exhaust coating.
Are Vikings double or single wall headers? Either way, that's the hottest part of the system.
Spray on ceramic coating (prime, coat, and finish). https://www.amazon.com/Flameproof-Ceramic-Coating-SP102-Black/dp/B0071OK4JU
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2020, 06:52:31 PM » |
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The set of pipes on Lesa's Honda CB900 is Ceramic coated. I Bought the pipes this way. They had been on another bike for a while and she has put quite a few miles on them. No sign of heat damage at all. Can't speak for powder coating but I will assume that standard powder coat would not be as robust as a ceramic coating.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 07:15:49 PM » |
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Are Vikings double or single wall headers? Either way, that's the hottest part of the system.
single wall. only OEM is dble wall |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 07:39:35 PM » |
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Any particular reason for that type/style of gasket? As for coating, I'll most likely go with ceramic, kinda holding my breath re. cost. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of ceramic coating outfits in this area, still looking. Hope I don't have to ship them somewhere, would just add to the cost. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 07:42:51 PM » |
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Any particular reason for that type/style of gasket? As for coating, I'll most likely go with ceramic, kinda holding my breath re. cost. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of ceramic coating outfits in this area, still looking. Hope I don't have to ship them somewhere, would just add to the cost. I could go out to the garage and look... but don't Vikings already have ceramic coating on the headers? |
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 08:15:18 PM » |
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Any particular reason for that type/style of gasket? As for coating, I'll most likely go with ceramic, kinda holding my breath re. cost. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of ceramic coating outfits in this area, still looking. Hope I don't have to ship them somewhere, would just add to the cost. I have vikings and that style is what viking used and recommended. I use them, never have they leaked or needed re-tightening after install. if you want to do them yourself u can try this industrial product https://www.aremco.com/ultra-high-temperature-ceramic-coatings/I have never used it, almost $100 on amazon. many like this product, but its just paint. https://www.hirschauto.com/EXHAUST-AND-MANIFOLD-COATING/productinfo/EMPT%2DPINT/ I have never used it. I used ITC coatings, but takes time to apply and then has to be painted. First attempt didn't last. re-did last yr two coats of metal base ITC 213 and then two coats of top coat ITC 296A. then painted with high temp rustoleum grill paint. so far its holding up. |
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1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp
"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2020, 08:42:18 PM » |
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Connie, these headers apparently were abused somehow. They've been sandblasted and given a coat of paint to prevent any further degradation but are solid metal all through, just need to be recoated after a good prep.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2020, 04:24:14 AM » |
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Connie is correct, the Vikings were originally provided with ceramic coated header pipes.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2020, 04:33:41 AM » |
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John let me know what you find or don't find in yer area. Ross be home a bit later today and I Kow he has lotsa contacts around here bouts for various and sundry "things"!  RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2020, 05:08:19 AM » |
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Any particular reason for that type/style of gasket? As for coating, I'll most likely go with ceramic, kinda holding my breath re. cost. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of ceramic coating outfits in this area, still looking. Hope I don't have to ship them somewhere, would just add to the cost. I too remember people talking up those gaskets back when there were enough viking pipes around for people to be talking about them. I got a set back then for my OEM pipes and hated them, because of their thickness. I always guessed their thickness was what made them be appropriate for vikings... -Mike |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2020, 11:00:41 AM » |
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John let me know what you find or don't find in yer area. Ross be home a bit later today and I Kow he has lotsa contacts around here bouts for various and sundry "things"! RIDE SAFE. I ordered two sets through the link 98Valk supplied. I often order/buy two of smaller stuff such as nuts & bolts, small gaskets, etc., cuz it gives me one to lose and one to use. Has paid off over the years. Hafta ask Ross if he has a good place to get these headers recoated with ceramic. |
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2020, 11:42:13 AM » |
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John let me know what you find or don't find in yer area. Ross be home a bit later today and I Kow he has lotsa contacts around here bouts for various and sundry "things"! RIDE SAFE. I ordered two sets through the link 98Valk supplied. I often order/buy two of smaller stuff such as nuts & bolts, small gaskets, etc., cuz it gives me one to lose and one to use. Has paid off over the years. Hafta ask Ross if he has a good place to get these headers recoated with ceramic. before you install them check that the ends are all level with each other. I found on mine a few that were slightly off from each other. |
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"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2020, 02:56:36 PM » |
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Any particular reason for that type/style of gasket? As for coating, I'll most likely go with ceramic, kinda holding my breath re. cost. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of ceramic coating outfits in this area, still looking. Hope I don't have to ship them somewhere, would just add to the cost. I sent you a PM...you’ve got a great ceramic and powder coating company very near to you. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2020, 03:13:59 PM » |
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No powder coating won't hold. Ceramic does withstand the heat with no problem, I have mine done in black for the bobber and zero issues for over two years now.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2020, 06:41:42 PM » |
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Any particular reason for that type/style of gasket? As for coating, I'll most likely go with ceramic, kinda holding my breath re. cost. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of ceramic coating outfits in this area, still looking. Hope I don't have to ship them somewhere, would just add to the cost. I sent you a PM...you’ve got a great ceramic and powder coating company very near to you. Yes, checked it out but didn't see where they do ceramic coating. I'll call for more info. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2020, 04:45:19 AM » |
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Have you thought about using exhaust wrap a friend of mine has them on his factory exhaust header pipes I think it looks pretty cool
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2020, 11:12:18 AM » |
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Any particular reason for that type/style of gasket? As for coating, I'll most likely go with ceramic, kinda holding my breath re. cost. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of ceramic coating outfits in this area, still looking. Hope I don't have to ship them somewhere, would just add to the cost. I sent you a PM...you’ve got a great ceramic and powder coating company very near to you. Yes, checked it out but didn't see where they do ceramic coating. I'll call for more info. They do it all...they ceramic coated my Roadstar Warrior pipes. Ask to see if John Anderegg is still there and mention that he did the ceramic and powder coating for the Yamaha that was in the Toys and Testimonials pictures on their website. BTW, powder coating is not the right product for your application...ceramic is what you want. What sets this company apart is their prep work. They are definitely one of the best out there, if not the best. They support the little guy too, not just big corporate accounts. One or two pieces are no problem. |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2020, 11:33:45 AM » |
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9Ball, just called them and they no longer do ceramic. Guess I'm still looking.  |
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2020, 11:43:09 AM » |
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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=ceramic+coating+near+Green+Bay+wisconsin&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=44512392,-88048228,16306&tbm=lcl&ved=2ahUKEwibs--uvZrnAhWxV98KHXNVClgQtgN6BAgLEAQ&tbs=lrf:!1m4!1u3!2m2!3m1!1e1!1m4!1u2!2m2!2m1!1e1!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2&rldoc=1#rlfi=hd:;si:;mv:[[44.8067808,-87.8281626],[44.0986663,-88.5262104]];tbs:lrf:!1m4!1u3!2m2!3m1!1e1!1m4!1u2!2m2!2m1!1e1!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2020, 02:32:26 PM » |
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9Ball, just called them and they no longer do ceramic. Guess I'm still looking. Wow, I’m flabbergasted. They did a lot of work for me. Things sure change in a couple of years. Good luck... |
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2020, 05:06:38 PM » |
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Any particular reason for that type/style of gasket? As for coating, I'll most likely go with ceramic, kinda holding my breath re. cost. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of ceramic coating outfits in this area, still looking. Hope I don't have to ship them somewhere, would just add to the cost. I too remember people talking up those gaskets back when there were enough viking pipes around for people to be talking about them. I got a set back then for my OEM pipes and hated them, because of their thickness. I always guessed their thickness was what made them be appropriate for vikings... -Mike For reasons related solely to on-hand availability at the time, I'm running the thicker "Viking" exhaust gaskets on one bike with OEM exhaust - and OEM copper gaskets on another bike with Viking pipes. For the life of me, I can't seem to tell any difference. Terry |
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2020, 06:59:40 AM » |
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For the life of me, I can't seem to tell any difference. Terry
The OEM copper rings moosh down to nothing, and the fiber ones stay a quarter of
an inch thick, it makes a big difference in how far those $50 apiece acorn
nuts thread down on the header studs.
I wouldn't surprised if there was no functional difference, I'm just relating my
memory (15 years ago) of why I disliked the fiber ones...
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2020, 07:18:42 AM » |
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For the life of me, I can't seem to tell any difference. Terry
The OEM copper rings moosh down to nothing, and the fiber ones stay a quarter of
an inch thick, it makes a big difference in how far those $50 apiece acorn
nuts thread down on the header studs.
I wouldn't surprised if there was no functional difference, I'm just relating my
memory (15 years ago) of why I disliked the fiber ones...
-Mike
No, Mike, I've strained (and yes, even occasionally snapped) more than my share of exhaust studs - so I know exactly where you're coming from re: the thicker fiber gaskets. My comment had more to do with using OEM copper gaskets with the Viking pipes: I'm now wondering if they're sufficient to form a good seal. I don't recall tightening the header nuts any further on that bike compared to the other. Maybe I need to change these both over the next time the pipes are off. Terry |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2020, 09:46:01 AM » |
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FWIW(probably nothing), I quit using those acorn nuts long ago. Seemed they were more prone to loosening up more than a regular nut which seemed to me they stay more snug over time. Plus you can double nut them if desired. The acorns can only be screwed on just so far, a regular nut can be screwed on as far as needed.
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2020, 10:16:16 AM » |
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daprez located some places that do ceramic coating. Last I heard headers only as a set $150.00. And we are NOT shipping. The buck and a half is just for the ceramic coating. RIDE SAFE.
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Today is the tommorow you worried about yesterday. If at first you don't succeed screw it-save it for nite check. 1964 1968 U S Navy. Two cruises off Nam.
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2020, 09:39:44 AM » |
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daprez located some places that do ceramic coating. Last I heard headers only as a set $150.00. And we are NOT shipping. The buck and a half is just for the ceramic coating. RIDE SAFE.
[/quote I had a company called Jet Hot do mine a while back and ceramic is the way to go.
It dissipates heat and is the best in high heat.
They do the pipes inside and out. They did a great job.] |
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2020, 07:26:24 PM » |
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When Ross and I left Johns place in Green Bay today those headers left with us. Ross wants to get hold of a color chart from the jobber and send it to John before any coating-ceramic-gets applied. Leaving color choice entirely in Johns capable vision for what he wants.  If you've ever seen Johns Valkyrie you Know how picky he is! RIDE SAFE. |
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Today is the tommorow you worried about yesterday. If at first you don't succeed screw it-save it for nite check. 1964 1968 U S Navy. Two cruises off Nam.
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