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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2020, 05:22:10 AM » |
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yes, there is a whole lot being said about it. Most people however knew exactly what was going to happen.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2020, 05:33:14 AM » |
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But, now this acquittal comes with an asterisk ! Schumer is now ranting and raving about the acquittal and saying it comes with an asterisk. What did he expect, he's a nitwit.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2020, 05:38:16 AM » |
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In the history of our country 3 Presidents have been impeached by the House. The Senate acquitted all 3, and, they remained in office. To me that means the House failed in their attempts.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2020, 06:20:54 AM » |
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But, now this acquittal comes with an asterisk ! Schumer is now ranting and raving about the acquittal and saying it comes with an asterisk. What did he expect, he's a nitwit.
Schumer can cry a river all he wants. When Donald Trump is re elected by a landslide he will know it’s a real acquittal. I can’t say where he needs to put that asterisk |
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2020, 07:44:30 AM » |
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I always thought that the impeachment should be with an asterisk noting it was by the opposition party and therefore not like a real impeachment.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2020, 02:52:40 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2020, 02:17:46 PM » |
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Sean Hannity said it all, (The Schumer Schiff Sham Show)
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2020, 03:27:54 PM » |
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2020, 03:46:45 PM » |
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Another first for Trump. Won’t he be the first “impeached” President to win a second term?
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2020, 03:48:07 PM » |
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Just as in the previous two cases ,the Senate disagreed. |
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2020, 08:30:03 PM » |
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It is just (old) verbiage.
One is impeached or not in the House, and convicted or acquitted in the Senate.
House impeachment is essentially an indictment (like establishment of probable cause to move forward). (and in Trumps case, with as little due process fairness for him as possible by the majority party)
Clinton was impeached of actual crimes in the house, and also acquitted in the senate.
However, Clinton was absolutely guilty of perjury and obstruction. On the day after his senate acquittal, he appeared alone on camera and apologized to the country. He was only acquitted because the senate did not think his wrongs great enough to remove him from office... not because they found him actually not guilty of the charges. Everyone knew he was guilty as charged.
Trump was impeached, but he was NOT GUILTY of any crime. Following the senate acquittal, there was a full acquittal party.
Trump was impeached of completely non-crimes by a completely partisan attack and kangaroo House.
There is simply no rational relationship between actual judicial prosecution, and Congressional impeachment proceedings. One is governed by constitutional due process, and the other by the political party(s) in power (and a few very general rules).
IMHO, the Clinton impeachment (whether warranted or not) was when the dems got a permanent hard-on for revenge that has never stopped through Bush II and DJT. But somehow, I think they're going to continue with their Viagra overdose. They have been at it so long (with rabid MSM cheerleading), it's all they know how to do anymore.
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2020, 05:03:40 AM » |
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As said, 3 Presidents were impeached by the House and all 3 were acquitted by the Senate. None were removed from office. Seems like a waste of time and taxpayer monies each time.
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2020, 05:58:42 AM » |
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It is just (old) verbiage.
One is impeached or not in the House, and convicted or acquitted in the Senate.
House impeachment is essentially an indictment (like establishment of probable cause to move forward). (and in Trumps case, with as little due process fairness for him as possible by the majority party)
Clinton was impeached of actual crimes in the house, and also acquitted in the senate.
However, Clinton was absolutely guilty of perjury and obstruction. On the day after his senate acquittal, he appeared alone on camera and apologized to the country. He was only acquitted because the senate did not think his wrongs great enough to remove him from office... not because they found him actually not guilty of the charges. Everyone knew he was guilty as charged.
Trump was impeached, but he was NOT GUILTY of any crime. Following the senate acquittal, there was a full acquittal party.
Trump was impeached of completely non-crimes by a completely partisan attack and kangaroo House.
There is simply no rational relationship between actual judicial prosecution, and Congressional impeachment proceedings. One is governed by constitutional due process, and the other by the political party(s) in power (and a few very general rules).
IMHO, the Clinton impeachment (whether warranted or not) was when the dems got a permanent hard-on for revenge that has never stopped through Bush II and DJT. But somehow, I think they're going to continue with their Viagra overdose. They have been at it so long (with rabid MSM cheerleading), it's all they know how to do anymore.
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f6john
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2020, 10:05:43 AM » |
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President Pence has a nice ring to it! That’s great. We can put you down for PENCE 2024!!! |
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2020, 10:24:24 AM » |
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You forgot the part about the jury being rigged. Can Donnie the Draft Dodger be impeached more than once in a presidency? I’m guessing yes. I’m sure he’ll do something illegal again. President Pence has a nice ring to it! Shucks, we're gonna re-elect Trump and then repeal the 22nd Amendment. Trump2024! |
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2020, 10:46:44 AM » |
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You forgot the part about the jury being rigged. Can Donnie the Draft Dodger be impeached more than once in a presidency? I’m guessing yes. I’m sure he’ll do something illegal again. President Pence has a nice ring to it! Man I like how you think. |
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2020, 01:07:12 PM » |
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Foot problems are the real deal too. When I was drafted and went for my physical, the Doc took one look at my feet and started asking me about prior issues I may have had and doctors visits ect. My feet are about as flat as a board but I never knew it and did distance running in high school. He told me if I had a history of problems and doctors records I would have been 4F and that I had the flattest feet of any recruit he had ever passed for service.
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2020, 03:30:57 PM » |
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One more time if one uses demeaning pet names for a public figure supported by some on this board his post will be removed. That practice is disrespectful. Disrespectful communication is prohibited by the Rules of the Road.
If you copy the post that I have deleted your post also will be removed.
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2020, 04:09:56 PM » |
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One more time if one uses demeaning pet names for a public figure supported by some on this board his post will be removed. That practice is disrespectful. Disrespectful communication is prohibited by the Rules of the Road.
If you copy the post that I have deleted your post also will be removed.
So pictures of the President mocking other people is ok? See above. |
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2020, 05:10:42 PM » |
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Ackmmm.
"Trumps Acquitted. Need I say more?"
No, no more needs to be said.
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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2020, 05:56:22 PM » |
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One more time if one uses demeaning pet names for a public figure supported by some on this board his post will be removed. That practice is disrespectful. Disrespectful communication is prohibited by the Rules of the Road.
If you copy the post that I have deleted your post also will be removed.
So pictures of the President mocking other people is ok? See above. from snopes military doctors did the physical, not a private doctor. 1968: Trump received his fourth and final college deferment on 16 January 1968. After graduating from Wharton, he was reclassified 1-A on 9 July 1968. Trump underwent an Armed Forces physical examination (with a result listed only as “DISQ”) on 19 September 1968 and was reclassified 1-Y (qualified for service only in time of war or national emergency) on 15 October 1968. According to a statement from the Trump campaign, the 1-Y classification stemmed from Trump’s having bone spurs in both heels: While attending the University of Pennsylvania’s prestigious Wharton School of Finance, Mr. Trump received a minor medical deferment for bone spurs on both heels of his feet. The medical deferment was expected to be short-term and he was therefore entered in the military draft lottery, where he received an extremely high number, 356 out of 365. The details of that medical exemption remain unclear and controversial, and most draft-related government medical records from the Vietnam era were not preserved. 1972: Despite the supposedly “short-term” nature of Trump’s disqualifying physical condition, on 17 February 1972 he was reclassified 4-F (not qualified for military service), presumably due to the abolishment of the 1-Y classification the previous year. |
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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2020, 06:01:25 PM » |
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WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump acknowledged to advisors that he made up a fake injury to avoid military service, because “I wasn’t going to Vietnam,” his former lawyer told lawmakers during testimony on Wednesday.
Michael Cohen, who also worked as a fixer for Trump before his election, said he was tasked with tamping down criticism of the military deferment as the presidential candidate simultaneously mocked Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, for being regarded as a military hero. “I like people who weren’t captured," Trump said during a July 2015 interview.
“Mr. Trump claimed (his medical deferment) was because of a bone spur, but when I asked for medical records, he gave me none and said there was no surgery,” Cohen told members of the House Oversight Committee. “He told me not to answer the specific questions by reporters but rather offer simply the fact that he received a medical deferment.
“He finished the conversation with the following comment: ‘You think I'm stupid, I wasn't going to Vietnam.’”
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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2020, 06:03:25 PM » |
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In the fall of 1968, Donald J. Trump received a timely diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels that led to his medical exemption from the military during Vietnam.
For 50 years, the details of how the exemption came about, and who made the diagnosis, have remained a mystery, with Mr. Trump himself saying during the presidential campaign that he could not recall who had signed off on the medical documentation.
Now a possible explanation has emerged about the documentation. It involves a foot doctor in Queens who rented his office from Mr. Trump’s father, Fred C. Trump, and a suggestion that the diagnosis was granted as a courtesy to the elder Mr. Trump.
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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2020, 06:11:39 PM » |
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Trump got four student deferments while he was enrolled at Fordham University in New York and then as a transfer student at Penn. As a student at New York Military Academy and in college, he was an active athlete, playing baseball, basketball, golf and football. He was 6-foot-2, 180 pounds, lean and strong. He described himself as “the best baseball player in New York.”
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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2020, 06:23:00 PM » |
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Knowing what we know about how Trump operates........I believe my version.
I know I won’t convince you. That’s ok.
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2020, 06:32:35 PM » |
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Trump got four student deferments while he was enrolled at Fordham University in New York and then as a transfer student at Penn. As a student at New York Military Academy and in college, he was an active athlete, playing baseball, basketball, golf and football. He was 6-foot-2, 180 pounds, lean and strong. He described himself as “the best baseball player in New York.”
and so did thousands of other students have school deferments. your making something out of nothing! only a military exam can give him a deferment and not a private doctor. He was in the system they knew where he was. In 1966, he was deemed fit for military service based upon a medical examination, and in July 1968 a local draft board classified him as eligible to serve.[17] In October 1968, he was medically deferred and classified 1-Y (unqualified for duty except in the case of a national emergency). you must be a union guy, since many union guys hate him, I know somebody like that doesn't know the full union story but hats him anyway. and the event had zero to do with his union. |
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Knowing what we know about how Trump operates........I believe my version.
I know I won’t convince you. That’s ok.
because there is something wrong with your thinking. he was nobody special back then, no special treatment. |
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2020, 06:34:41 PM » |
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Well Dave, that’s a lot of info you have there. He’s still the best President we have had in a long time, he’s not a politician, he’s fighting for all Americans even the unborn, he’s delivering more than anyone could expect given the climate he has to operate in. He will get my vote again.
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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2020, 08:14:48 PM » |
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Since the deferment for bone spurs resulted from official examinations, it must be presumed accurate and valid until and unless shown otherwise. That would be hard to do, today (looking back for medical proof now).
Typically, the best evidence against him (per the articles referenced above), are his own reported statements of .... I wasn't going to Vietnam. You could interpret that to mean he somehow conspired to get his medical deferment, or you could interpret it as... he got the deferment legitimately, but did nothing afterward to improve his spurs and get better and run back so he could be drafted. The latter is more likely than the former.
His student deferments were the same for everyone (full time college, and a certain minimum GPA). I had the same deferment. His were back when they were permanent. Later, when I had mine, the 2S student deferment was changed to only allow you to finish your current semester, and then if drafted you had to report for duty.
The article above says he later lost his medical deferment, but then got a high draft number, so he didn't have to go. So at least for one year, he was fully eligible to be drafted, but lucked out on on a high number. My last two years of the draft eligibility, my 2S was only good to the end of the semester if I was drafted, BUT I also got high draft lottery numbers (both in the 300's), so I was never called. I wasn't bitching about it either.
Then, he got the same deferment again, and was not later drafted.
I had a very good friend/suite-mate my freshman year of college (2d to the last year of the draft - 1971), who had been a star football player and was a real physical specimen (like a smaller Arnold Schwarzenegger, benching phenomenal weights), and he got a lottery draft number like 22 (so he was going for sure), but he was medically deferred for planters warts on both feet at the physical. It surprised him and everyone else. This guy was never going to run away to Canada, but he didn't want to go to Vietnam either, so he did nothing to improve his warts, and the deferment continued until the draft ended the next year in 1972 (and I don't think they ever called him back to look again anyway).
I don't see that as a great sin. And oddball medical deferments were common (for many very healthy appearing young men).
About 12 years later, I applied for a commission in the Air Force at 31yo (the age cut off date), and I smoked the physical. But if Vietnam was still going on, I might not have applied. (though I was never in a combat billet) And the sandbox wars started only months after I returned from two tours in the Middle East, and I tried to go back over but they were only taking majors or better in my career field, and I was only a captain.
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Just what in the hell does he have to do for you to see what a *&$ he is?
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Just what in the hell does he have to do for you to see what a *&$ he is?
When the other side is offering the end of life on Earth, there's not much Trump can do wrong..... Admittedly, that's the best thing about him, he's not as evil as the other side, but when the alternative it total obliteration of humanity? Yeah.... Trump gets my vote every time..... |
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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2020, 09:09:05 PM » |
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I agree Serk.
However, thousands of guys were medically deferred from the RVN draft. And I don't believe many of them were unhappy about it.
If you want to tell me he used power and privilege and money to fix his physical with the regular authorities, then prove it or shut up.
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Just what in the hell does he have to do for you to see what a *&$ he is?
So upon further reflection, I can't speak for others, but for myself, I KNOW he's an *&$.... But he's an *&$ that loves this country and will fight FOR this country, instead of fighting AGAINST this country. He's an *&$ that will fight FOR the survival of the human race, instead of fighting against it. He's an *&$ that will fight AGAINST communism instead of fight for it.... So yeah.... He's an *&$. But he's OUR *&$. And he's fighting to insure the survival of this country and human life on Earth. So he's an *&$ that will get my vote. Again. |
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Just what in the hell does he have to do for you to see what a *&$ he is?
So upon further reflection, I can't speak for others, but for myself, I KNOW he's an *&$.... But he's an *&$ that loves this country and will fight FOR this country, instead of fighting AGAINST this country. He's an *&$ that will fight FOR the survival of the human race, instead of fighting against it. He's an *&$ that will fight AGAINST communism instead of fight for it.... So yeah.... He's an *&$. But he's OUR *&$. And he's fighting to insure the survival of this country and human life on Earth. So he's an *&$ that will get my vote. Again. What the tall Man from Texas said! RIDE SAFE. |
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Well Dave, that’s a lot of info you have there. He’s still the best President we have had in a long time, he’s not a politician, he’s fighting for all Americans even the unborn, he’s delivering more than anyone could expect given the climate he has to operate in. He will get my vote again.
I just checked my 401K balance again this morning and guess what? Yep, up again. TRUMP 2020! |
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History repeats itself
Mat 26:59 Inside, the leading priests and the entire high council were trying to find witnesses who would lie about Jesus, so they could put him to death.
Mat 26:60 But even though they found many who agreed to give false witness, they could not use anyone’s testimony. Finally, two men came forward
Can we rename a few people like Schiff, Pelosi plus a few others and of course Trump.
I thought this was pretty amusing knowing what we are going through with the Dems.
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