Trump national prayer breakfast

[Robert]

National prayer breakfast start at 54:00 minutes thats when Trump starts talking.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?469058-1/national-prayer-breakfast


I dont like people who use their faith when they are wrong. quote.

[Alberta Patriot]

I just think that Trump should put the impeachment debacle on the back burner when he's at events like the prayer breakfast. Preaching to the choir about it all is unnecessary as they already have his back.

[Chrisj CMA]

I just think that Trump should put the impeachment debacle on the back burner when he's at events like the prayer breakfast. Preaching to the choir about it all is unnecessary as they already have his back.

Easy for you to say. You spend four months being prosecuted by the meanest lawyers you can imagine and then get acquitted. You are going to talk about it. He needs to talk about it. It’s cathartic and healthy. Who better to lend an ear than the people at that prayer breakfast.

[f6john]

I just think that Trump should put the impeachment debacle on the back burner when he's at events like the prayer breakfast. Preaching to the choir about it all is unnecessary as they already have his back.

Pelosi was there, about 3 chairs down from the podium which was reason enough.

[Alberta Patriot]

I just think that Trump should put the impeachment debacle on the back burner when he's at events like the prayer breakfast. Preaching to the choir about it all is unnecessary as they already have his back.

Easy for you to say. You spend four months being prosecuted by the meanest lawyers you can imagine and then get acquitted. You are going to talk about it. He needs to talk about it. It’s cathartic and healthy. Who better to lend an ear than the people at that prayer breakfast.

Point well made, and yes Pelosi's carcass was right there to get an ear full, and Romney's cowardly attempt at using his faith as an excuse to knife Trump in the back was all about as low as it gets, but by putting it to rest for just this one particular event would have been more appropriate IMHO. Trump has plenty of time to square all of the wrongs foisted on him in many effective ways from now until Nov 3rd.

[Robert]

I really enjoyed his speaking on Christians that are not Christians, but I cannot imagine who he was talking about  

I must say I was offended at Pelosi being there, its just me but after what shes done she has some set.  

Wow Alpha dog put this in another post I didnt know he did this. GO TRUMP

President Trump proudly displayed two newspapers with blaring “Acquitted” headlines Thursday morning, waving them before a National Prayer Breakfast audience in his first appearance since he was declared not guilty in his Senate impeachment trial. 

 

[Willow]

I really enjoyed his speaking on Christians that are not Christians, but I cannot imagine who he was talking about  

I must say I was offended at Pelosi being there, its just me but after what shes done she has some set.  

Robert, you need to adjust some of your (and maybe the President's) Christian perspective.

1.  We don't determine what Christians are not really.  God does that and it's not His responsibility to share that with us.

2.  Prayer (and prayer breakfasts) are not for those who are perfect.  Our scriptures indicate that the most imperfect of us need to pray or we would not cross the threshold into His care.

I'm glad that Nancy Pelosi was there.  I do wish the President had not used this occasion to talk about the impeachment and trial.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I just think that Trump should put the impeachment debacle on the back burner when he's at events like the prayer breakfast. Preaching to the choir about it all is unnecessary as they already have his back.

Easy for you to say. You spend four months being prosecuted by the meanest lawyers you can imagine and then get acquitted. You are going to talk about it. He needs to talk about it. It’s cathartic and healthy. Who better to lend an ear than the people at that prayer breakfast.

Who better than the people at the prayer breakfast ?  Isn't one of the tenants of Christianity to follow the teachings of Christ ? I'm sure you know more about Jesus than I do, but I don't recall ANY stories of Christ preaching hate. Mostly about loving thy neighbor, praying for your enemies, turning the other cheek. When it comes down to it, I think my 8 year old granddaughter knows more about Christianity than Donald Trump does, or ever will.

[Serk]

Isn't one of the tenants of Christianity to follow the teachings of Christ ? I'm sure you know more about Jesus than I do, but I don't recall ANY stories of Christ preaching hate. Mostly about loving thy neighbor, praying for your enemies, turning the other cheek. When it comes down to it, I think my 8 year old granddaughter knows more about Christianity than Donald Trump does, or ever will.

[f6john]

The Bible has to be taken in its entirety to be understood. The last thing you want to do is take an excerpt from the Bible and start a “religious” argument if you aren’t well versed in its teachings. The older I get the more I understand how little I know. Serks reply does reveal that our Lord was not to be trifled with.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The Bible has to be taken in its entirety to be understood. The last thing you want to do is take an excerpt from the Bible and start a “religious” argument if you aren’t well versed in its teachings. The older I get the more I understand how little I know. Serks reply does reveal that our Lord was not to be trifled with.

Do you think the president understands Christianity ?

[DIGGER]

God Help Us

[Bighead]

The Bible has to be taken in its entirety to be understood. The last thing you want to do is take an excerpt from the Bible and start a “religious” argument if you aren’t well versed in its teachings. The older I get the more I understand how little I know. Serks reply does reveal that our Lord was not to be trifled with.

Do you think the president understands Christianity ?

Do you?

[Robert]

The Bible has to be taken in its entirety to be understood. The last thing you want to do is take an excerpt from the Bible and start a “religious” argument if you aren’t well versed in its teachings. The older I get the more I understand how little I know. Serks reply does reveal that our Lord was not to be trifled with.

Do you think the president understands Christianity ?

The real question is for anyone, does he know God and is obedient to His wishes for thier life and purpose? 

I would have to say God is using him mightly to destroy the works of the enemy.

It is one thing to know the words of the bible and call yourself a Christian, but its entirely another thing to act on the words in the bible and be a Christian.

Doers usually look and act very different than talkers.

 Neither the results of prayer or the people God uses sometimes look like what we as humans would expect. But if he can make a donkey talk to save a king then He can use anyone or anything to accomplish His ultimate purpose.

It is God that will determine the ultimate faith of each person based on each persons actions and their faithfulness to His wishes not how well they read and memorize the bible.

It is also not the ones that call themselves Christians and have no fruit that will make it into the Kingdom. They like the Pharisees have earned themselves a place in hell. These are the ones that do most of the criticizing of those that are actually Christians and judge and ridicule others. Each will be rewarded by his works. Not because of works but because of faith through works. God is able to separate bone and marrow, soul and spirit and judge the heart and intent of mans actions.

It is a cunning question to ask if the president understands Christianity, one worthy of the same rebuke of that to Peter

Mat 16:23  Jesus turned to Peter and said, “Get away from me, Satan! You are a dangerous trap to me. You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.” 

[Rams]

I just think that Trump should put the impeachment debacle on the back burner when he's at events like the prayer breakfast. Preaching to the choir about it all is unnecessary as they already have his back.

I tend to agree.  But, I'm not sitting just a few chairs from a known enemy.   
I would have been tempted to shove her face into her plate of food.   Yeah, I know that would also be inappropriate so, it's probably a good thing I wasn't sitting next to her.

Both of them are too outspoken IMHO but as much as I believe that, I can't knock a man that tries to keep his pre-election campaign promises.   Of course, I agreed with the vast majority of what he is trying to do.

Rams

[f6john]

The Bible has to be taken in its entirety to be understood. The last thing you want to do is take an excerpt from the Bible and start a “religious” argument if you aren’t well versed in its teachings. The older I get the more I understand how little I know. Serks reply does reveal that our Lord was not to be trifled with.

Do you think the president understands Christianity ?

Understanding it and practicing it are two different things. The devil understands Christianity. I think Donald has many flaws as do I but I do think his has a pretty good working knowledge of Christianity. How he practices it is between him and God.

[Farside]

 Quote from Robert:

The real question is for anyone, does he know God and is obedient to His wishes for thier life and purpose?  

I would have to say God is using him mightly to destroy the works of the enemy.

It is one thing to know the words of the bible and call yourself a Christian, but its entirely another thing to act on the words in the bible and be a Christian.

Doers usually look and act very different than talkers.

 Neither the results of prayer or the people God uses sometimes look like what we as humans would expect. But if he can make a donkey talk to save a king then He can use anyone or anything to accomplish His ultimate purpose.

It is God that will determine the ultimate faith of each person based on each persons actions and their faithfulness to His wishes not how well they read and memorize the bible.

It is also not the ones that call themselves Christians and have no fruit that will make it into the Kingdom. They like the Pharisees have earned themselves a place in hell. These are the ones that do most of the criticizing of those that are actually Christians and judge and ridicule others. Each will be rewarded by his works. Not because of works but because of faith through works. God is able to separate bone and marrow, soul and spirit and judge the heart and intent of mans actions.

It is a cunning question to ask if the president understands Christianity, one worthy of the same rebuke of that to Peter

Mat 16:23  Jesus turned to Peter and said, “Get away from me, Satan! You are a dangerous trap to me. You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”
[/quote]


  Well stated and explained Robert. I'm totally in agreement and am in most all of your comments and thoughts. I look forward to meeting you, if you're going to InZane?

[Robert]

I really enjoyed his speaking on Christians that are not Christians, but I cannot imagine who he was talking about 

I must say I was offended at Pelosi being there, its just me but after what shes done she has some set. 

Robert, you need to adjust some of your (and maybe the President's) Christian perspective.

1.  We don't determine what Christians are not really.  God does that and it's not His responsibility to share that with us.

2.  Prayer (and prayer breakfasts) are not for those who are perfect.  Our scriptures indicate that the most imperfect of us need to pray or we would not cross the threshold into His care.

I'm glad that Nancy Pelosi was there.  I do wish the President had not used this occasion to talk about the impeachment and trial.

I guess what bothers me the most about her being there is the seeming lack of personal conviction. That alone could answer to if she is a Christian. To devise a plan to oust the president, to tear up the speech and then to come to a prayer breakfast seems to me there is no shame to her in what shes done. To me its treason.

I doubt if ever we will hear an apology which in itself and the lack of, is an admittance of no shame, no remorse and without that there is no forgiveness of sins. Simple actually, while God is the ultimate judge the signs are pretty clear, she so reminds me of the harlot in James

Pro 30:20  This is the way of an adulterous woman: She eats and wipes her mouth, And says, "I have done no wrong."

Jas 4:4  You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

She sounds great at first and makes people feel good and warm. She presents all the rewards of a godly life and takes away the conditions. This is how the harlot manages to deceive people and a great many people have fallen under the influence of the harlot. If you are not exceedingly vigilant then you cannot always separate her lies from the truth!

As for Trump's over indulgance in the impeachment,

I cannot tell you how much in the middle of a battle using my gifts and holding on to God has those precious words of support and confirmation meant to me. It gave me support I needed to perservere and made me smile in the midst of the pain. Positive reinforcement is how we are taught to train dogs and without disrespect humans work very much the same way.

Trump may be one of the only presidents except for the founding fathers to loose money being president. To uproot his families buisnesses and family to serve a cause he thinks is worthwhile. To undergo scathing rebukes at almost every turn, so to me I can cut him some slack in the Christian and overstating dept and give him the support he desires.

[Gryphon Rider]

The Bible has to be taken in its entirety to be understood. The last thing you want to do is take an excerpt from the Bible and start a “religious” argument if you aren’t well versed in its teachings. The older I get the more I understand how little I know. Serks reply does reveal that our Lord was not to be trifled with.

Do you think the president understands Christianity?

I think he understands Republican-American Christianity enough to do what he needs to do to maintain their backing.

As for whether he, himself, is a true Christian, some evidence that he has denied himself, taken up his cross, and followed Jesus Christ (Matthew 16:24) would help answer this question to the affirmative.

"But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word."  Isaiah 66:2b

[f6john]

This may lead to the thread being shut down but so be it. Can you be a Christian and support abortion rights as they exist today? I do realize that non Christians are all over the board as to their position on abortion so I am not casting aspersions on them. IMHO we need a drastic overhaul of abortion rights in this country. Not to make criminals out of anyone, but to recognize the sanctity of human life and provide much better options for pregnant mothers who cannot care for a newborn whether by desire or financially.

Since the government stepped into this abyss making Roe vs Wade the law of the land and providing millions to Planned Parenthood which has turned abortion into a business the least they/ we could do is address the adoption process to streamline the process and make it virtually cost free. There has to be a way to make abortion a procedure of last resort.

If you know any family who has dealt with premature birth you have some idea of what a late term abortion involves. My grandsons weight was  2 lbs each so i can only imagine the size of the little girl at the State of the Union who was born at 1 lb. And yet our government funding thousands of abortions every month also spends millions providing lifesaving care for the premies  in hospitals across the nation thru the Social Security system.

[Alberta Patriot]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness...."
Meathead is very quick to cast stones with no real appreciation of what Trump, his family...and your whole country are being put through by this stone cold gang of treasonous criminals. I truly believe meathead actually has no meaningful understanding of the destructive impact of what these vicious people have done...or worst of all...he does not care as long as 'his side' has a chance of winning...to hell with the cost.
Seriously, in all good conscience, how does anyone defend the indefensible??

[The emperor has no clothes]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness...."
Meathead is very quick to cast stones with no real appreciation of what Trump, his family...and your whole country are being put through by this stone cold gang of treasonous criminals. I truly believe meathead actually has no meaningful understanding of the destructive impact of what these vicious people have done...or worst of all...he does not care as long as 'his side' has a chance of winning...to hell with the cost.
Seriously, in all good conscience, how does anyone defend the indefensible??

I have an appreciation of his own words at a prayer breakfast. That was indefensible. 

[f6john]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness...."
Meathead is very quick to cast stones with no real appreciation of what Trump, his family...and your whole country are being put through by this stone cold gang of treasonous criminals. I truly believe meathead actually has no meaningful understanding of the destructive impact of what these vicious people have done...or worst of all...he does not care as long as 'his side' has a chance of winning...to hell with the cost.
Seriously, in all good conscience, how does anyone defend the indefensible??

I have an appreciation of his own words at a prayer breakfast. That was indefensible. 

I listened to every word of the address at the Prayer Breakfast live as it happened. I defend every word he said and he could have said more. Was it the proper venue for letting loose, some think not, it was time to lay the cards on the table. The fact you don’t like him doesn’t change that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness...."
Meathead is very quick to cast stones with no real appreciation of what Trump, his family...and your whole country are being put through by this stone cold gang of treasonous criminals. I truly believe meathead actually has no meaningful understanding of the destructive impact of what these vicious people have done...or worst of all...he does not care as long as 'his side' has a chance of winning...to hell with the cost.
Seriously, in all good conscience, how does anyone defend the indefensible??

I have an appreciation of his own words at a prayer breakfast. That was indefensible. 

I listened to every word of the address at the Prayer Breakfast live as it happened. I defend every word he said and he could have said more. Was it the proper venue for letting loose, some think not, it was time to lay the cards on the table. The fact you don’t like him doesn’t change that.

Professor Robert Franklin, who teaches moral theology at Atlanta's Emory University's Candler School of Theology, added to AP: "If the president is feeling persecuted, he would be well served to spend quality time with his pastor while studying what Jesus did when he was persecuted.

"The religion of Jesus promotes the virtues of humility, self-accountability, forgiveness and reconciliation."

[Alberta Patriot]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness...."
Meathead is very quick to cast stones with no real appreciation of what Trump, his family...and your whole country are being put through by this stone cold gang of treasonous criminals. I truly believe meathead actually has no meaningful understanding of the destructive impact of what these vicious people have done...or worst of all...he does not care as long as 'his side' has a chance of winning...to hell with the cost.
Seriously, in all good conscience, how does anyone defend the indefensible??

I have an appreciation of his own words at a prayer breakfast. That was indefensible.  

I listened to every word of the address at the Prayer Breakfast live as it happened. I defend every word he said and he could have said more. Was it the proper venue for letting loose, some think not, it was time to lay the cards on the table. The fact you don’t like him doesn’t change that.

Professor Robert Franklin, who teaches moral theology at Atlanta's Emory University's Candler School of Theology, added to AP: "If the president is feeling persecuted, he would be well served to spend quality time with his pastor while studying what Jesus did when he was persecuted.

"The religion of Jesus promotes the virtues of humility, self-accountability, forgiveness and reconciliation."

Anyone who expects mere mortals to always rise to what Jesus would have done needs a serious dose of introspection. Even the Christian Ministers at the beginning of the Prayer Breakfast stated how woefully imperfect they are...when is your turn?

[The emperor has no clothes]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness...."
Meathead is very quick to cast stones with no real appreciation of what Trump, his family...and your whole country are being put through by this stone cold gang of treasonous criminals. I truly believe meathead actually has no meaningful understanding of the destructive impact of what these vicious people have done...or worst of all...he does not care as long as 'his side' has a chance of winning...to hell with the cost.
Seriously, in all good conscience, how does anyone defend the indefensible??

I have an appreciation of his own words at a prayer breakfast. That was indefensible.  

I listened to every word of the address at the Prayer Breakfast live as it happened. I defend every word he said and he could have said more. Was it the proper venue for letting loose, some think not, it was time to lay the cards on the table. The fact you don’t like him doesn’t change that.

Professor Robert Franklin, who teaches moral theology at Atlanta's Emory University's Candler School of Theology, added to AP: "If the president is feeling persecuted, he would be well served to spend quality time with his pastor while studying what Jesus did when he was persecuted.

"The religion of Jesus promotes the virtues of humility, self-accountability, forgiveness and reconciliation."

Anyone who expects mere mortals to always rise to what Jesus would have done needs a serious dose of introspection. Even the Christian Ministers at the beginning of the Prayer Breakfast stated how woefully imperfect they are...when is your turn.

Can you name one time Trump has even tried ?

[Alberta Patriot]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness...."
Meathead is very quick to cast stones with no real appreciation of what Trump, his family...and your whole country are being put through by this stone cold gang of treasonous criminals. I truly believe meathead actually has no meaningful understanding of the destructive impact of what these vicious people have done...or worst of all...he does not care as long as 'his side' has a chance of winning...to hell with the cost.
Seriously, in all good conscience, how does anyone defend the indefensible??

I have an appreciation of his own words at a prayer breakfast. That was indefensible.  

I listened to every word of the address at the Prayer Breakfast live as it happened. I defend every word he said and he could have said more. Was it the proper venue for letting loose, some think not, it was time to lay the cards on the table. The fact you don’t like him doesn’t change that.

Professor Robert Franklin, who teaches moral theology at Atlanta's Emory University's Candler School of Theology, added to AP: "If the president is feeling persecuted, he would be well served to spend quality time with his pastor while studying what Jesus did when he was persecuted.

"The religion of Jesus promotes the virtues of humility, self-accountability, forgiveness and reconciliation."

Anyone who expects mere mortals to always rise to what Jesus would have done needs a serious dose of introspection. Even the Christian Ministers at the beginning of the Prayer Breakfast stated how woefully imperfect they are...when is your turn.

Can you name one time Trump has even tried ?

Do your own leg work, I'm done here.

[The emperor has no clothes]

As a devotee of his, that should be a simple question for you. I'll put you down as a no.

[Robert]

As a devotee of his, that should be a simple question for you. I'll put you down as a no.

Professor Robert Franklin, who teaches moral theology
This is the problem moral theology, which has killed more churches and turned away more Christian's than any holy war. This man holds up MLK, a Jew hater as a man he follows or learns from. Really?

Jesus is our example, He even said things like greater works than these you shall do. But what we see today is dying churches, Christians with failed lives, no power nor people such as yourself understanding what the real Christian experience is supposed to be.

Truth be told flesh, that includes mans soul will never truly be fulfilled unless he totally dies to self and allows the baptism of the Holy Spirit and follows the Holy Spirit and not his natural earthly desires. There is in is the whole Christian experience in a nutshell.



  Jesus did not lie, the scriptures are not vague allegory of past events. What we saw in Jesus was a man in fleshly terms, but filled with the Holy Spirit, and after being baptized in the Holy Spirit in the Jordan His ministry started.

 He as a man was divested of His power but not of His position or authority. He, once baptized and filled with the Spirit had the power of the God Head once again inside of Him. It was the Holy Spirit that held the power while Jesus held back His fleshly nature and followed His job and mandate on this earth.

What really fascinates me is the world did not recognize the very person who created them. Of course the demons did and that is why He had to tell them to be quiet but His own people did not recognize Him. So He was not recognizable to them as God as the person who all things were created through.

 What is must have been like for Jesus to recognize everything that was and yet, His creation not recognize Him. Its as if you had a family, house, car, kids the whole works and you walk in and they dont recognize you. They ask who are you and still you prove yourself and they still throw you out.

So it goes in the world many dont recognize the times or seasons the bible talks about. People did not know they had God among them, they were blinded to the truth.

So it is today, Trump or any man is not Jesus by any stretch of the imagination but how do you recognize the works of God in them? That is the question, we see the world so divided today and many laugh at my description of the battle of good and evil but that is exactly what is happening. Those that are Gods children and those that are not.

How do you take the majesty,love,authority of Jesus or even the God head and compare any man to that. Jesus never was divested of His authority but He was divested of His power. How does a teacher of theology without being filled with the Spirit understanding the mysteries of God understand the spirit and spiritual nature? How does any man understand this great mystery, this is also the Christian walk in short.

 We are not called to be theologians, we are called to be children, trusting in our Father and following His leading, plans and purposes for our lives. We are called to have power and authority in the Knowing of our Father and His glory and our glory also as His children. We are supposed to know our inheritance in a world that is not ours.

It is the theologians of this world that made more men go to hell, I would bet more than almost any vice. The contrast is becoming more and more of whose child each man is.

As for man its very much like the story of the 2 wolves, which you decide to feed is the one that lives, lives inside of each person. The difference in theology and Gods way is, one tells you its your responsibility to be good, the other says I will help in any weakness just come to Me and I will help and out of love we start to mirror His image. Following by example, because He heals us and out of being grateful we mirror His image. Lights on a lamp stand giving our light to the world, because of the one who saved us.

Its is a shame that its more important for you to make a point and have your way than it is to understand a wonderful gift given you and maybe have a greater understanding of the world we live in today.

[f6john]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness...."
Meathead is very quick to cast stones with no real appreciation of what Trump, his family...and your whole country are being put through by this stone cold gang of treasonous criminals. I truly believe meathead actually has no meaningful understanding of the destructive impact of what these vicious people have done...or worst of all...he does not care as long as 'his side' has a chance of winning...to hell with the cost.
Seriously, in all good conscience, how does anyone defend the indefensible??

I have an appreciation of his own words at a prayer breakfast. That was indefensible.  

I listened to every word of the address at the Prayer Breakfast live as it happened. I defend every word he said and he could have said more. Was it the proper venue for letting loose, some think not, it was time to lay the cards on the table. The fact you don’t like him doesn’t change that.

Professor Robert Franklin, who teaches moral theology at Atlanta's Emory University's Candler School of Theology, added to AP: "If the president is feeling persecuted, he would be well served to spend quality time with his pastor while studying what Jesus did when he was persecuted.

"The religion of Jesus promotes the virtues of humility, self-accountability, forgiveness and reconciliation."

Anyone who expects mere mortals to always rise to what Jesus would have done needs a serious dose of introspection. Even the Christian Ministers at the beginning of the Prayer Breakfast stated how woefully imperfect they are...when is your turn.

Can you name one time Trump has even tried ?

Thank you for opening that door. He is the first President to attend the Right to Life March. He recognizes the sanctity of human life. He made the call at the State of the Union for Congress to end late term abortions. Since every potential Democratic nominee on the stage last night, yes I watched, all support abortion as it stands today. Right there is where any candidate loses me.

[Robert]

Pilgrims Progress

Dr. Gene explores John Bunyan who wrote Pilgrims Progress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj8KapJ6BcU

Interesting a law change that they could not preach to the crowds or be thrown in jail.

[3fan4life]

This may lead to the thread being shut down but so be it. Can you be a Christian and support abortion rights as they exist today? I do realize that non Christians are all over the board as to their position on abortion so I am not casting aspersions on them. IMHO we need a drastic overhaul of abortion rights in this country. Not to make criminals out of anyone, but to recognize the sanctity of human life and provide much better options for pregnant mothers who cannot care for a newborn whether by desire or financially.

Since the government stepped into this abyss making Roe vs Wade the law of the land and providing millions to Planned Parenthood which has turned abortion into a business the least they/ we could do is address the adoption process to streamline the process and make it virtually cost free. There has to be a way to make abortion a procedure of last resort.

If you know any family who has dealt with premature birth you have some idea of what a late term abortion involves. My grandsons weight was  2 lbs each so i can only imagine the size of the little girl at the State of the Union who was born at 1 lb. And yet our government funding thousands of abortions every month also spends millions providing lifesaving care for the premies  in hospitals across the nation thru the Social Security system.

Absolutely NOT!

Abortion as a whole is a complex topic.

But, there is simply no way that someone can be a true Christian and support any candidate that supports NO LIMITS on abortion.


Personally, I have come to believe that abortion is wrong.

But, are Christians right to force that belief on everyone?

My answer to that question is no.

I don't believe that Roe v. Wade can be overturned and I'm not certain that it should.


Some anti-abortion groups are just as radical as abortion rights activists.

Their cause would be better served by fighting the battles that can be won.

One of those battles is against partial birth abortion and late term abortions.

Partial Birth Abortion is an abomination that no-one with a moral compass of any kind could support.

Late term abortions performed when the baby is fully capable of living on its own should also be illegal.

During his State of The Nation Address President Trump asked Congress to support a bill that would ban late term abortions (Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act).

This bill has passed the House 3 times with Bipartisan support.

It has received bipartisan support in the Senate also.

But it hasn't never passed in the Senate because it failed to get enough support to break a potential filibuster (60 Votes).

Ironically, this bill has faced opposition from both Abortion Rights activists and Anti-Abortion groups.

With one group saying that it goes too far and the other saying that it doesn't go far enough ( I said that abortion is a complicated topic).

This is one area that the Democrats and Republicans should be able to work together and write a law that they can agree upon and pass. 

I doubt that they will but they should.

[Moonshot_1]

"Personally, I have come to believe that abortion is wrong.

But, are Christians right to force that belief on everyone?

My answer to that question is no.

I don't believe that Roe v. Wade can be overturned and I'm not certain that it should."


I don't see how this is a Christian belief. To accept abortion as a means of birth control is to deny a human life. Not by religious standards but by the standards of science.

To accept DNA as the standard for human identity, one can easily conclude that a human life exists at conception and as an individual, has and is endowed, with unalienable rights. I believe that on this point, Roe v. Wade will not be overturned but simply rendered moot.

Obviously life at this stage is extremely fragile. And tragic things happen that require decisions and choices that are limited to bad choices, worse choices and unimaginable painful choices. In these cases, it is still imperative that everyone's rights, including due process for the young life, are observed and that doctors and health professionals have protections when faced with such choices.

But elective abortions are murder. Nothing religious about it.

[scooperhsd]

Abortion as birth control - I can't support that.

Abortion when it can be shown the fetus is not viable - that's different.

As stated above - it's complicated. I won't pretend to know all the answers.

Any bill that is hated by the opposing sides sounds like a reasonable compromise.

[Alberta Patriot]

Abortion=Legitimate medical/genetic reasons-Yes
               Convenience/Birth Control-No, or at the very least...
               max 20 weeks and patient pays all the bills.
Why should those who oppose voluntary abortions pay for what they believe is wrong.
Roe vs Wade never established public health coverage for the holocaust.

[3fan4life]

"Personally, I have come to believe that abortion is wrong.

But, are Christians right to force that belief on everyone?

My answer to that question is no.

I don't believe that Roe v. Wade can be overturned and I'm not certain that it should."


I don't see how this is a Christian belief. To accept abortion as a means of birth control is to deny a human life. Not by religious standards but by the standards of science.

To accept DNA as the standard for human identity, one can easily conclude that a human life exists at conception and as an individual, has and is endowed, with unalienable rights. I believe that on this point, Roe v. Wade will not be overturned but simply rendered moot.

Obviously life at this stage is extremely fragile. And tragic things happen that require decisions and choices that are limited to bad choices, worse choices and unimaginable painful choices. In these cases, it is still imperative that everyone's rights, including due process for the young life, are observed and that doctors and health professionals have protections when faced with such choices.

But elective abortions are murder. Nothing religious about it.

It shouldn't be only Christians that are against abortion and I'm sure that there are people that don't consider themselves to be Christians who are also against abortion.

But, for some reason the only groups that openly oppose abortion seem to be Christian based groups.

[Moonshot_1]

"Personally, I have come to believe that abortion is wrong.

But, are Christians right to force that belief on everyone?

My answer to that question is no.

I don't believe that Roe v. Wade can be overturned and I'm not certain that it should."


I don't see how this is a Christian belief. To accept abortion as a means of birth control is to deny a human life. Not by religious standards but by the standards of science.

To accept DNA as the standard for human identity, one can easily conclude that a human life exists at conception and as an individual, has and is endowed, with unalienable rights. I believe that on this point, Roe v. Wade will not be overturned but simply rendered moot.

Obviously life at this stage is extremely fragile. And tragic things happen that require decisions and choices that are limited to bad choices, worse choices and unimaginable painful choices. In these cases, it is still imperative that everyone's rights, including due process for the young life, are observed and that doctors and health professionals have protections when faced with such choices.

But elective abortions are murder. Nothing religious about it.

It shouldn't be only Christians that are against abortion and I'm sure that there are people that don't consider themselves to be Christians who are also against abortion.

But, for some reason the only groups that openly oppose abortion seem to be Christian based groups.

The reason is simple. Abortion on demand is deemed a woman's right by the left wing. They and the media set up the argument as a religious assault on the "right" of a woman to her own body. Define it as science and you have to concede that you are killing a baby.

[Valker]

"Understanding" Christianity isn't a requirement to be in it, belief of your lack of ability to fulfill the Biblical Law and the payment of the penalty for that inability by the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus Christ is. People who talk about "living a certain way" are usually talking about a list they have in their own mind that contains their idea of a "dirty dozen" bad things that they're not supposed to do. They are commiting the first Sin, which is Pride, by putting their ideas as "God's Will". He's the Judge, I am not. The word "Sin" is a measurement between a bullseye targe center and where the arrow actually hits='missed the mark'. ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
This is my last sentence on this thread, so if you want me to read a reply from you, PM me.

[The emperor has no clothes]

To accept DNA as the standard for human identity, one can easily conclude that a human life exists at conception

This is getting pretty far afield from Trump's attendance at the prayer breakfast. But, I'll bite. Wouldn't that reasoning also make most birth control pills illegal ?

[Moonshot_1]

To accept DNA as the standard for human identity, one can easily conclude that a human life exists at conception

This is getting pretty far afield from Trump's attendance at the prayer breakfast. But, I'll bite. Wouldn't that reasoning also make most birth control pills illegal ?

No it would not.