Pete Rose

[Moonshot_1]

Trump wants him the the Hall of Fame. From Facebook post:

Pete Rose played Major League Baseball for 24 seasons, from 1963-1986, and had more hits, 4,256, than any other player (by a wide margin). He gambled, but only on his own team winning, and paid a decades long price. GET PETE ROSE INTO THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME. It’s Time!





I'd been wishing they got off the guy's back and get him in HOF.

[J.Mencalice]

Trump wants him the the Hall of Fame. From Facebook post:

Pete Rose played Major League Baseball for 24 seasons, from 1963-1986, and had more hits, 4,256, than any other player (by a wide margin). He gambled, but only on his own team winning, and paid a decades long price. GET PETE ROSE INTO THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME. It’s Time!





I'd been wishing they got off the guy's back and get him in HOF.

No.  Shoeless Joe Jackson before him.  No doubt about what Pete accomplished on the field as a player, but placing bets on his own team's performance as a player and a manager was a stain upon the game.  What he deserves is the opportunity to be voted upon for reinstatement for vote consideration.  If that occurs, then let the sportswriters cast their ballots (just like for any other player) and see if he gets the 75% or higher for induction.  MLB isn't on his back; they have turned their back away from him, he is a non-entity to the people who run the league.

If he does get induction, there should be a note on his plaque that explains his indiscretion and banishment for the years stated.  I believe that this should also be done if any of the proven steroid/banned substance abusers such as McGuire, Bonds, Clemens, etc. are granted induction (I don't think that they ever will be admitted).

Rose was no boy scout and he knew the rules, knew the possible penalties, and still did it.  Denied his guilt and should be held up to standards that existed then, exist today, and will exist for the future.

He won't get in, he deserves a vote if he professes honest remorse...but he won't allow his ego to step aside.  Great ball player, foolish man.

[Moonshot_1]

Trump wants him the the Hall of Fame. From Facebook post:

Pete Rose played Major League Baseball for 24 seasons, from 1963-1986, and had more hits, 4,256, than any other player (by a wide margin). He gambled, but only on his own team winning, and paid a decades long price. GET PETE ROSE INTO THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME. It’s Time!





I'd been wishing they got off the guy's back and get him in HOF.

No.  Shoeless Joe Jackson before him.  No doubt about what Pete accomplished on the field as a player, but placing bets on his own team's performance as a player and a manager was a stain upon the game.  What he deserves is the opportunity to be voted upon for reinstatement for vote consideration.  If that occurs, then let the sportswriters cast their ballots (just like for any other player) and see if he gets the 75% or higher for induction.  MLB isn't on his back; they have turned their back away from him, he is a non-entity to the people who run the league.

If he does get induction, there should be a note on his plaque that explains his indiscretion and banishment for the years stated.  I believe that this should also be done if any of the proven steroid/banned substance abusers such as McGuire, Bonds, Clemens, etc. are granted induction (I don't think that they ever will be admitted).

Rose was no boy scout and he knew the rules, knew the possible penalties, and still did it.  Denied his guilt and should be held up to standards that existed then, exist today, and will exist for the future.

He won't get in, he deserves a vote if he professes honest remorse...but he won't allow his ego to step aside.  Great ball player, foolish man.

But not a cheater. Didn't bet to lose. It has been enough.

[Rams]

I view this similar to one of my favorite race car drivers.   I love it when he competes, he drives to win and he does so a lot but, he's no different than myself or anyone else when on the public roads.   If he speeds, drives in a reckless manner or breaks any other laws, he's just as guilty as any one of us and should pay the penalty.

Pete Rose knew the rules and broke them, he knew the penalties and still gambled.   Doesn't matter why or who he bet on.   I'd lose a lot of respect for Baseball as a whole if, they reversed their decision.

I feel the same way about the recent discovery of stealing signs to win the World Series.   Just like speeding, if you knowingly break the rules, don't bitch about the penalty.

Rams

[f6john]

Maybe there should be a bad boys hall of fame. Fallen Angels of Sports.

[Patrick]

I don't care what they do with him. He is an arrogant jerk. In the early 60s he was in our town and rented from us when he was in the minors the minors. Us kids had built a little ball field in our side yard so we played quite a bit and looked up to these guys. But, he was an ass.

[Rams]

Maybe there should be a bad boys hall of fame. Fallen Angels of Sports.

Do they build structures that large?   

Rams 

[Jersey mike]

Charlie Hustle played the game hard. He should be in the HOF as a player. His player accomplishments far out weight his betting. There weren’t many would could play who could play at his level back then and I doubt many could today. He was cocky, arrogant and tough and played to win each game.

[Rams]

Charlie Hustle played the game hard. He should be in the HOF as a player. His player accomplishments far out weight his betting. There weren’t many would could play who could play at his level back then and I doubt many could today. He was cocky, arrogant and tough and played to win each game.

Agreed on all your points but the one on betting.   No doubt, he played to win.   I really respected his play on the field.  
He also lied about his betting until he finally admitted it.

As I told a LEO once, I wasn't speeding, he had the wrong guy...…  But, I knew I was and he had me.
Edited: If they decide to place him in the Hall of Fame, his plaque should have an asterisk included indicating his history.  That would be fine by me.

Rams

[Jersey mike]

Charlie Hustle played the game hard. He should be in the HOF as a player. His player accomplishments far out weight his betting. There weren’t many would could play who could play at his level back then and I doubt many could today. He was cocky, arrogant and tough and played to win each game.

Agreed on all your points but the one on betting.   No doubt, he played to win.   I really respected his play on the field.  
He also lied about his betting until he finally admitted it.

As I told a LEO once, I wasn't speeding, he had the wrong guy...…  But, I knew I was and he had me.
Edited: If they decide to place him in the Hall of Fame, his plaque should have an asterisk included indicating his history.  That would be fine by me.

Rams

I agree 100%

[Calboy]

Charlie Hustle played the game hard. He should be in the HOF as a player. His player accomplishments far out weight his betting. There weren’t many would could play who could play at his level back then and I doubt many could today. He was cocky, arrogant and tough and played to win each game.

Agreed on all your points but the one on betting.   No doubt, he played to win.   I really respected his play on the field.  
He also lied about his betting until he finally admitted it.

As I told a LEO once, I wasn't speeding, he had the wrong guy...…  But, I knew I was and he had me.
Edited: If they decide to place him in the Hall of Fame, his plaque should have an asterisk included indicating his history.  That would be fine by me.

Rams

I agree 100%

What's the next step? Making Barry 'The Juice" Bonds eligible with an asterisk also?

[Safety Steve]

I grew up a stones throw from Riverfront play field, Peat Rose was my favorite player, but he was an ass, he lied about betting on baseball for over 15 years, then he writes a book saying he did bet on baseball, but only on his team to win.  So after someone who lied for so long can you really believe that he only bet on his team to win?  He knew that he can't bet on baseball but he did, how do you know that he only bet on his team to win?

[98valk]

it was/is more about his involvement in the cocaine trade than it was about betting. the betting was mainly a cover up.

[Calboy]

Gents, my question is pretty simple; Who did he bet with or against?  That's what gambling is or involves.
Or is it that he sat on his throne in the bathroom and bet against himself?

[9Ball]

He’s more worthy than all the steroid users...

[Jess from VA]

He can be in or out, fine with me.  I suppose the 1919 match fixing scandal in which eight members of the Chicago White Sox were accused of intentionally losing the 1919 World Series against the Cincinnati Reds in exchange for money from a gambling syndicate led by Arnold Rothstein, has forever after influenced sports gambling by players.


Back in about 1971, a group of us from our small town took a (Detroit) Shroh's Beer bus brewery tour, followed by a Tiger game.  At the game, out in our bleacher seats, we all stood and cheered and jumped up and down after occasional great Tiger play.  One of our group (Linda) was so well endowed that her jumping up and down caused quite a sensation.  Each time we cheered, more and more of the stadium began joining in and cheering Linda, and not the game.  About the 5th time this happened, about 20,000 fans were cheering Linda; which actually ended up delaying the game (very short delay while all the players in the field turned around trying to see just what the hell was going on out in the bleachers).  The sixth time it happened, security people came and told Linda she had to leave, and she was escorted out.  To a lot of booing.  Linda was fully (and appropriately) clothed at all times, and was not drunk. (A very true story)

So I think Linda should be inducted into the Baseball hall of fame.  

The bleachers at old Briggs Stadium could get pretty rowdy.  On bat day, when they gave out thousands of miniature bats, it was a good day to avoid the bleachers.



Fifty years after graduation (from HS) at a HS reunion, if anyone brought up Linda Kn..... and her famous Vneck sweaters, everyone present would remember those sweaters (at least all the guys).  

[Alpha Dog]

Perhaps Linda missed her calling.  Morganna the Kissing Bandit made a career out of her assets by rushing onto baseball fields and kissing famous baseball players.  The first of which happened to be ( back on topic ) Pete Rose.

[vanagon40]

I grew up in Indiana just across the state line from Ohio. I watched the Big Red Machine in the 70s. Tickets at Riverfront were about the same as the price of a movie.

My theory is that had Pete Rose come clean immediately, admitted the gambling, and shown remorse, he might have been forgiven. It was the many years of denial (against the pretty overwhelming evidence of guilt) that could not be forgiven. I read most of the Dowd Report--I do not believe there was any evidence he bet against the Reds or manipulated any game.

[Fazer]

The Reds commissioned a statue of Pete in his famous head first slide into home plate, with Hulk hair and all.   Beautiful sculpture and a work of engineering to withstand people hanging on it, but since Pete was implicated in a sex scandal involving minors just about the time the sculpture was to be unveiled, you never hear about it or see it in any media.  I wonder if maybe it has been quietly removed.  As others have stated, he was a great ball player, but a jerk as a person.  Not only that, but this great ball player  shortened the career of Ray Fosse, the Cleveland catcher he ran over back in the 1970 all star game.  As poetic justice, Rose served 5 months at Marion (Indiana) Correctional Institution.  Marion is Ray Fosse's home town.  Folks there say the feds should have tacked on a couple more months for what he did to Ray in 1970.