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Well the first two are actually welding gloves, however they fit very nicely like many m/c gloves. The goat skin ones do not have any lining, the cowhide ones have a lining and some insulation like many welding gloves do. I own neither just tried them on in the store and thought I pass it on. https://www.harborfreight.com/search?brand=Vulcan&q=glovesNow this pair I own, and I like them very much for when the temps get above 90F when my American Bison leather gloves get too warm or when it is just too humid for the Bisons. https://www.harborfreight.com/riding-stable-work-gloves-large-99583.html
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2020, 01:59:38 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2020, 06:35:36 PM » |
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Wearing gloves at 90 degrees and above? Do you also wear full leathers at 90 degrees and above?
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2020, 06:40:48 PM » |
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I'd wear gloves even if I didn't wear a shirt (but I do wear shirts too). And in any temps.
If you fly off a bike, you are going hands first.
Hand injuries are particularly painful.
I've always needed my hands in all my pursuits.
Plus, my hands have never sweated from heat (maybe nerves, but not heat).
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2020, 06:59:25 PM » |
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Wearing gloves at 90 degrees and above? Do you also wear full leathers at 90 degrees and above?
Always wear gloves, temp/humidity determines which ones I use. motoport.com cordura ultra 1000 jacket Always. 70F and above carhartt dble knee canvas jeans. many times motoport same material pants over them. proper mesh clothing and base layer always cool. proper mesh gloves and never cowhide gloves always cool and comfortable. cowhide is really a bad leather for wearing apparel. it transmits the ambient temps too much. most other leathers don't do it as much.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2020, 07:33:22 PM » |
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I bought two pair of Tuzzi lined Toccare lambskin 2 seasons ago on winter closeout at Big R. I have yet to wear out the 1st. pair. Extremely comfortable in the heat down to 55 degree 26 mi. night rides from work. Love them! Like goatskin also but yet to find another pair like used have that I bought at Sportsman Paradise that closed locally 8 yrs. ago or so.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2020, 07:36:07 PM » |
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Wearing gloves at 90 degrees and above? Do you also wear full leathers at 90 degrees and above?
I don't wear leathers anymore. But I wear gloves ALL THE TIME ! Even at 128*, they make mesh gloves these days. If you have ever slid on asphalt at 70 mph you'd wear gloves also. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2020, 07:54:45 PM » |
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Wearing gloves at 90 degrees and above? Do you also wear full leathers at 90 degrees and above?
I don't wear leathers anymore. But I wear gloves ALL THE TIME ! Even at 128*, they make mesh gloves these days. If you have ever slid on asphalt at 70 mph you'd wear gloves also.  this jacket I use. not my crash report https://advrider.com/f/threads/crash-tested-motoport-ultra-ii.1352546/another crash https://advrider.com/f/threads/motoport-gear-crash-tested-at-70-mph.507934/
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2020, 11:57:09 AM » |
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Ask Rams about wearing safety gear. Everyone knows someone that has benefited from safety gear. Personal choice as far as I am concerned, but my choice is always helmet, gloves and jacket. Sometimes pants.
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2020, 12:23:11 PM » |
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Ask Rams about wearing safety gear. Everyone knows someone that has benefited from safety gear. Personal choice as far as I am concerned, but my choice is always helmet, gloves and jacket. Sometimes pants.
no pants? boots and underwear? nice chart showing % of body injury locations during a get off. The crashes that were studied in Germany occurred on the autobahn, rural areas, and in cities. Four doctors analyzed and recorded all the details of each injury. Autopsies were performed on the riders, documenting injuries that resulted in death. The details of the crashes and the apparel worn were also studied. The study’s finding were alarming. It was revealed that the most serious injury to the body was the initial impact area. In 83.2% of cases, the initial impact was below the waist. The main initial impact was the knee/shin and full front-to-back thigh area. Over one third resulted in broken-bone injuries. Well over half of the victims (59.4%) suffered arm injuries. Other body regions that received frequent severe injuries were the shoulders, chest, and collar bone. https://www.motoport.com/motoport-an-evolution/
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2020, 04:49:29 AM » |
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Wearing gloves at 90 degrees and above? Do you also wear full leathers at 90 degrees and above?
Currently residing in the crap-hole that is Florida and I wore all my gear all summer long on my commutes to/from work...I certainly won't tell anyone they have to wear gear, but don't expect sympathy when you're in the hospital or dead. Arai Defiant X SIDI ADV Boots REV-IT Cayenne Pro suit REV-IT Spit fire gloves
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2020, 04:53:02 AM » |
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I would really like to get behind Motoport, but his refusal to get his gear and armor tested is a 100% show stopper for me (testimonials are crap and not the same as actual testing)... he complains about other companies making claims about protection, yet he does the same same cursed thing.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2020, 07:07:04 AM » |
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High heat high humidity during the summer here and I would NOT go around the block without gloves. And every so often I've had a hard shell bug or a piece of gravel manage to find one or more of my knuckles. With gloves it may smart a bit. With out gloves it do go UP on the pain scale a bit. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2020, 10:23:39 AM » |
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I would really like to get behind Motoport, but his refusal to get his gear and armor tested is a 100% show stopper for me (testimonials are crap and not the same as actual testing)... he complains about other companies making claims about protection, yet he does the same same cursed thing. "(testimonials are crap and not the same as actual testing)" real world crashes prove the product. he has detailed why the testing is flawed. just like a few yrs ago the Snell testing was found to be flawed by a magazine doing testing. since snell actually had to redesign their testing and requiremnets which made the helmets safer. I guess you have never work with testing and real world results.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2020, 08:41:28 AM » |
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Went to HF yesterday and tried on some gloves, the XL was still way too tight.. do these loosen up after awhile?
Right now I use the Costco leather gloves (yellow) and they are stretching somewhat, but still too tight. I don't have really huge mitts either, so I feel for the guys who do, they must have a hard time finding gloves that fit.
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2020, 06:43:11 PM » |
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Went to HF yesterday and tried on some gloves, the XL was still way too tight.. do these loosen up after awhile?
Right now I use the Costco leather gloves (yellow) and they are stretching somewhat, but still too tight. I don't have really huge mitts either, so I feel for the guys who do, they must have a hard time finding gloves that fit.
I'm one of those guys with huge mitts. for years & years I rode without gloves, yes even in 30* weather.. because I couldn't find anything. I have only found one glove manufacturer that actually fit. Churchill gloves. based out of Washington state. ..Slayer
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2020, 09:15:31 AM » |
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Glad you found something.. must really suck.
I've spent some time in Sequim on 4 occasions recently.. beautiful cold country up there.
A friend bought the VFW building in town.. I think Port Townsend is my favorite town up there, though I've not seen anywhere near the majority of them.
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2020, 03:28:18 PM » |
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Glad you found something.. must really suck.
I've spent some time in Sequim on 4 occasions recently.. beautiful cold country up there.
A friend bought the VFW building in town.. I think Port Townsend is my favorite town up there, though I've not seen anywhere near the majority of them.
well.. when I was younger I was a tough guy, .. now not so much. it really wasn't so bad back then, I was a piece work carpenter working with frozen & or snow covered lumber all day. One way I use to condition my hands & body for than matter for the cold was a Long Bike Ride with-out gloves. The other way was to drive to work with-out the heater on & stick one hand out the window at a time until I couldn't take it anymore. By the time I would get to work it would feel warmer... HA ..Slayer
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2020, 05:31:26 PM » |
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Haha,
probably sounds bass-ackward to most people, but it's true.. look at Wim Hof and what he does (The Ice Man). I'm in San Diego but literally my wife and I live in 57 to 63 degree temps indoors, we don't use the heat..
I finish showers cold, living cold is great for health.. Fri I ran 4 1/2 miles in the cold wind and rain in only shorts. People think I'm nuts probably, but like you said, if you want to be resilient to cold, you have to get cold and thrive in it. Most 61 yo guys don't want to do this kind of thing.. but my goal is to end this thing called life on my feet.
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2020, 02:49:52 PM » |
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real world crashes prove the product. he has detailed why the testing is flawed. just like a few yrs ago the Snell testing was found to be flawed by a magazine doing testing. since snell actually had to redesign their testing and requiremnets which made the helmets safer.
I guess you have never work with testing and real world results.
People making claims about how something works and actual testings are worlds apart... if you worked with testing and real world results you would know the difference between a test run under controlled conditions and someone making claims to sell you something. Your Snell comment proves my point... once it was pointed out the methodology was flawed, they went out and re-designed testing and requirements to ensure the product met the necessary safety standards.. what has Motorport done? (HINT>>> NOTHING) Wayne hasn't done (s h i t) for testing in the last what, 30 years? He trots out that old piece of paper form the 90's as if it were a goose that laid a golden egg... IF the testing is as flawed as he claims, he can run his own tests and write up a paper then get other manufactures to back him... I'm sure they'd love to have proof that the testing metrics are flawed. Any test can have flaws, however, it is the 'best' we have at the moment and if I'm slapping down my hard earned money, I want gear that has been tested...
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2020, 03:10:28 PM » |
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real world crashes prove the product. he has detailed why the testing is flawed. just like a few yrs ago the Snell testing was found to be flawed by a magazine doing testing. since snell actually had to redesign their testing and requiremnets which made the helmets safer.
I guess you have never work with testing and real world results.
People making claims about how something works and actual testings are worlds apart... if you worked with testing and real world results you would know the difference between a test run under controlled conditions and someone making claims to sell you something. Your Snell comment proves my point... once it was pointed out the methodology was flawed, they went out and re-designed testing and requirements to ensure the product met the necessary safety standards.. what has Motorport done? (HINT>>> NOTHING) Wayne hasn't done (s h i t) for testing in the last what, 30 years? He trots out that old piece of paper form the 90's as if it were a goose that laid a golden egg... IF the testing is as flawed as he claims, he can run his own tests and write up a paper then get other manufactures to back him... I'm sure they'd love to have proof that the testing metrics are flawed. Any test can have flaws, however, it is the 'best' we have at the moment and if I'm slapping down my hard earned money, I want gear that has been tested... tested to what? flawed machine testing. he has written very much on his site about this. there was a magazine testing done yrs ago, where they dragged a lightly weighted material behind a pickup onto the asphalt. the so called best material per the machine testing actually worn through the fastest. How are going to actually test a jacket real world? are u willing to do a "test run" by wearing a jacket and go down at speed to test it? u can read here about the testing https://www.motoport.com/quad-armor/
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2020, 03:15:16 PM » |
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here is a recent answer by Wayne, post #42. is that u complaining about no certificate? I see that it is you and he answered you. if you don't like his answer and actual crashes as proof over the yrs, then go buy something else. https://advrider.com/f/threads/cycleport-vs-motoport.1375127/page-3
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2020, 06:56:15 PM » |
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Now this is a good thread: something we can all relate to. Me? in winter, here in SoCal, Orange County to be exact, in summer sweems that leather work gloves are the best, not the totally cheapies, but yellow leather $13 to $20 units from the local masonry supplier. And for winter, i found some $75 (on sale) snowmobile gloves which are badass: they're like gauntlets, going down to about the middle of your forearm and last great: I've had them 10 years now, and even when it's raining and cold, they maybe just get a little damp inside, but that's it. But they're almost on their last leg now. It's getting almost warm enough at times for the summer gloves
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2020, 07:58:16 AM » |
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Just got a nice 3 pack of gloves at Costco.. around 24.00 I think.
Roomy and comfortable, with mesh top knuckle protection.
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2020, 09:27:34 AM » |
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I always wear boots and gloves at all temps. Has anyone checked out the new airbag vests from Klim. Pricey at $400. but may save on impacts and skin.
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2020, 08:32:02 AM » |
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There are really only two factors to consider when purchasing gloves for motorcycle riding: your hands' comfort when riding in whatever conditions you ride in, and crash protection. I suppose you could add a third factor, their style, a.k.a. "cool" factor. In some conditions, the first two factors can work against each other, such as a glove that is light enough to be comfortable in hot weather will likely not protect you as well as a glove with crash protection prioritized. All of my riding gloves are made of abrasion-resistant material with at least some armour, and with a good retention system. I don't want my gloves coming off in a crash, so some kind of wrist strap is essential to me. My hot-weather gloves are Knox Orsas, which use the "BOA" cable retention system, which works very well. I also like the white colour for conspicuity; every little bit helps.  My previous hot-weather gloves were Teknic Chicanes, with a hook and loop (velcro) fastened wrist strap. The velcro eventually didn't stay stuck, so I added a snap to it, which eventually tore out of the strap. Other than that, the gloves worked well for me. The Knox Orsas are not as well ventilated as the Teknic Chicanes were.
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2020, 12:27:48 PM » |
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There are really only two factors to consider when purchasing gloves for motorcycle riding: your hands' comfort when riding in whatever conditions you ride in, and crash protection. I suppose you could add a third factor, their style, a.k.a. "cool" factor. In some conditions, the first two factors can work against each other, such as a glove that is light enough to be comfortable in hot weather will likely not protect you as well as a glove with crash protection prioritized. All of my riding gloves are made of abrasion-resistant material with at least some armour, and with a good retention system. I don't want my gloves coming off in a crash, so some kind of wrist strap is essential to me. My hot-weather gloves are Knox Orsas, which use the "BOA" cable retention system, which works very well. I also like the white colour for conspicuity; every little bit helps.  My previous hot-weather gloves were Teknic Chicanes, with a hook and loop (velcro) fastened wrist strap. The velcro eventually didn't stay stuck, so I added a snap to it, which eventually tore out of the strap. Other than that, the gloves worked well for me. The Knox Orsas are not as well ventilated as the Teknic Chicanes were. " each time leather gets wet and then dries, it can lose up to 20% of its tear/abrasion strength. " skin perspiration with body minerals mixed in make it even worst than just wet and dry from rain. I had a pair of perforated summer leather gloves that never where in the rain. many times they were wet from perspiration. after three yrs they ripped while I was putting them on. This was before I read the above from the below motoport site. https://www.motoport.com/motoport-an-evolution/
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2020, 03:04:55 PM » |
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Goatskin does pretty well with getting wet.
But I was once on an all day soaker and at the end of the day, my nice gloves were pretty trashed, and my hands were black from the dye for days.
I keep some textile waterproofs in my bags for all day wet. (which I avoid like the dickens anymore)
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