“But everyone also has a responsibility to everyone else.”

[98valk]

cuomo shutting down New York State  destroying the economy
https://nypost.com/2020/03/20/coronavirus-in-ny-cuomo-orders-lockdown-shuts-down-non-essential-businesses/

he lies first "“Everyone has personal freedom and everyone has personal liberty and I’ll always protect that,”

his comment from the Greater Good is socialism.

https://www.redstate.com/diary/jlenarddetroit/2009/11/07/hollywood2009b/

The “Greater Good” bent logic…
Just like Liberals Democrat Party leaders (I’m trying to be nice) twist the “It Takes A Village” concept, so too they do this one. You know, their “redistribution” version of having to be able to take away from some supposedly ‘overly privileged’ folks in order to give to those less fortunate in the name of “Fairness” and that our society will be better for it.

You folks on the Left may want to think twice the next time you try to trot out your misuse of the “Greater Good” point. Simply put, isn’t the Greater Good, actually served, when the greater number of people have it good! The U.S. System, many Liberals show such disdain for, provides for the greater number of people to have it good. Contrast that with the Russian, Chinese, etc, Socialist System, Progressives are taking us to, provides ONLY THE MINIMUM (certainly not ‘the Good Life’) to the greater number (all but those in charge) of its citizens. It is pretty easy/plain for anyone to see the logic/reason of what the REAL “Greater Good” is!

Just as they refuse (Denial) to acknowledge it is “Socialism” (they know it is, just have to re-brand it), Progressive leaders, and those who buy into it, do not follow it to its logical conclusion as demonstrated the world over and throughout history.

The Greatest Depression Has Begun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=uX7C19p7vsw&feature=emb_logo

[Valkorado]

Are you suggesting business as usual, the show must go on in the midst of pandemic?

[Patrick]

Friends and family are calling asking about Florida because they all say Prince Andrew in all his infinite wisdom has closed NYS. Just about everything is closed even grocery stores !

But, he'll fix this problem, he said so. He's calling in the Army Corps of Engineers.

This man is worse than his father was.

[98valk]

Are you suggesting business as usual, the show must go on in the midst of pandemic?

did u read the article. he also said if he save one person its worth. putting the state and country into a recession maybe depression where many, many will die is worth it?

read the reports, high % have already recovered. very small #s of deaths compared to the current flu.

ones who have died from corona have pre-existing health issues. again a very small number.
they are using this to destroy the country for nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=uX7C19p7vsw&feature=emb_logo

[Valkorado]

Are you suggesting business as usual, the show must go on in the midst of pandemic?

did u read the article. he also said if he save one person its worth. putting the state and country into a recession maybe depression where many, many will die is worth it?

read the reports, high % have already recovered. very small #s of deaths compared to the current flu.

ones who have died from corona have pre-existing health issues. again a very small number.
they are using this to destroy the country for nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=uX7C19p7vsw&feature=emb_logo

It'll save more than one life.   But not to try to save some lives is neither moral nor religious as your profile mentions.

[baldo]

ones who have died from corona have pre-existing health issues. again a very small number.
they are using this to destroy the country for nothing.

Please tell us. Do you think the rest of the world is in on your latest conspiracy theory? Are they all in on it too?

It will be amusing watching you eat your words.

[Willow]

ones who have died from corona have pre-existing health issues. again a very small number.
they are using this to destroy the country for nothing.

Please tell us. Do you think the rest of the world is in on your latest conspiracy theory? Are they all in on it too?

It will be amusing watching you eat your words.

It's not a conspiracy theory.  It's merely a projection based upon facts.  Studies do show that deaths increase as a result of widespread unemployment and recession (depression?).  Stymieing the economy for a few weeks is projected by experts more than a few weeks becomes increasingly more severe toward full scale depression.  

The question is how many lives will be saved as compared to how many lives will be lost?  How many lives will be ruined?

I don't know the precise answers.  I imagine we will in time.  I suspect strongly that our actions in efforts to save the lives of some potential COVID-19 victims are doing much more damage to our economy and culture than the virus itself would do.

We do need to be more aware of cleaning our hands, not sneezing into occupied air, and diminishing the times we touch our mouth, nose and eyes.

Almost every medication we purchase carries a list of the possible side effects.  We decide whether the negative risks are worth the positive possibilities.  That's not unlike the negative and positive results of actions we take in order to save lives.

Oh, please do not look forward to the amusement of watching me eating my words.  I haven't much experience of that happening.   

[Valkorado]

It's the let 'er run or mitigate argument again.   I sure don't know what's best,  and I'm glad I'm not one of the ones who has to make the call.   Kinda cursed if you do,  cursed of you don't.

[Willow]

It's the let 'er run or mitigate argument again.   I sure don't know what's best,  and I'm glad I'm not one of the ones who has to make the call.   Kinda cursed if you do,  cursed of you don't.

Agreed.  It's not down to choosing the best of the options but to choosing the least damaging of the bad options.

[Pappy!]

For once I will stand up for a liberal lawmaker......
These folks have to do the best they can with what information is given them. This thing is spreading so rapidly that I can fully understand him making a statement early on about personal freedoms and then having to backtrack and try to contain the spread of virus the best he can.
Trump made statements early on that the liberals are still bringing up. Mistakes and mistaken statements will be made along the way of this uncharted path.

[Oss]

It sucks, my office is closed, no income coming in

But I will support another week of this

If no change then open the floodgates and damn the torpedoes

China leadership needs to be held accoutable for this, whether it was purposeful or not

They lied and the virus got around the world

Likewise the media must be held to account for yelling fire in the crowded theater
when there was no fire, just a smaller version of the flu, albeit one that insidiously targets the elderly

[Valkorado]

It sucks, my office is closed, no income coming in

But I will support another week of this

If no change then open the floodgates and damn the torpedoes

China leadership needs to be held accoutable for this, whether it was purposeful or not


https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-legally-accountable-coronavirus

Amen!

They lied and the virus got around the world

Likewise the media must be held to account for yelling fire in the crowded theater
when there was no fire, just a smaller version of the flu, albeit one that insidiously targets the elderly

In this Italian hospital HALF of 'most severe patients' are under 65 - coronavirus affects young as well as old.  Also if this smaller version of the flu becomes endemic and stays around it'll just keep on kilin' - -  like the flu.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1258198/coronavirus-italy-latest-lombardy-veneto-covid-19-death-italy-death-toll-latest

[Skinhead]

Who says they have to pay them?

[Valkorado]

Letting 'er run in LA County.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-county-containing-coronavirus-skip-testing-patients

[F6Dave]

I'm curious if anyone here actually knows someone who's been infected.

[Valkorado]

I'm curious if anyone here actually knows someone who's been infected.

Serk has a longtime friend who is fighting right now,  I believe from hospital.

[cookiedough]

I'm curious if anyone here actually knows someone who's been infected.

not infected as I know of, but one lady in our office 2 down from me about 10 feet away had to be tested for it BEFORE coming back to work since 3 weeks ago she went on a cruise and came back showing pretty bad signs of corona.  She got tested the week she was sick home from work and then came back negative then came back last week into work.  Problem is she came back that Friday ONE FRICKING day into work but went home sick after 3-4 hours of coming in (bitch idiot lady) coughing and downright stupid symptoms.  ONLY TAKES ONE IDIOT to kill someone such as the guy sitting next to me in wheelchair has MS and his immune system is crap gets sick a lot near every few weeks with something new.  He very much disliked that lady co-worker he works with daily prior (rightfully deserved), now he hates her for life for being so stupid.   

Watching NETFLIX now on a series of episodes on viruses called PANDEMIC and they are saying is NOT an IF it will happen but WHEN a virus greater than 1918 will happen just hope and pray (if religious) this is NOT the time.

If this Virus runs rappant and still could happen, over 150 million people  can and 'might' die or more far worse than all WWI and WWII deaths and much much more than the 1918 virus death toll when human population was 5 times less than now and less worldwide travel not even having airplanes in 1918.

I am with OSS on this one,  stay home if at all possible another week or two and lessen the spread of this virus, but we also cannot afford to stay home from work for much over 1 month (in my opinion) since a doom and gloom recession will happen big time in the United States.

Most of us can afford to not work for say 1-2 months and live well out of it, but say July thru August, NO way.   My 2 cents not worth a hill of beans to anyone else.  stay safe all and healthy!   

[Valkorado]

"Stay at home and save lives".
- our President

[scooperhsd]

I'm sorry - a week to a week and a half is as far out as I can store food. I still need to find TP - maybe going in at 6AM (diabetic) can help tomorrow.

[cookiedough]

I'm sorry - a week to a week and a half is as far out as I can store food. I still need to find TP - maybe going in at 6AM (diabetic) can help tomorrow.

yes heard age 60 on up (the elderly apparently) can go into some places (at least around me) early to do grocery shopping and other stuff needed for essentials.    good idea to not affect the diabetic or other health issue people or elderly as much as possible.

I still think the govt. made the right call in this situation to stay home if at all possible for a few weeks ONLY hopefully but I already know my kids UW college put stay at home/learn from computers online only courses thru end of semester being way into end of May which is a VERY long time especially for younger age 19-21 year old kids to be NOT around each other socially much at all.  UW system also said will re-evaluate this online only come May again BEFORE summer semester starts  to see if need to continue June thru August.  NOT ideal schooling if you ask me since we are helping pay for his college education.  Even the dorms on campus are closed all are gone including pre-paid lunch fees on campus we prior paid for suppose to get money back on dorm and food fees prior paid for entire semester.    Luckily my 19 year old picked the same UW college as my 21 year old so they are staying hunkered down together.  Most college kids went back home to live with their parents something I think a lot of college kids do not want to do enjoying their freedom. 

[Valkorado]

I'm sorry - a week to a week and a half is as far out as I can store food. I still need to find TP - maybe going in at 6AM (diabetic) can help tomorrow.

Yup we've all got got to gather our breakfast!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QffEYYotXIk

Remember Ewell?  “Ever ate a pine tree?   Some parts are edible ".

[Oss]

I am thinking that this will be at least thru April now

Have received information from medical people inside China that I believe, they say thru autopsies conducted over past months it seems likely covad19 is in fact a man made virus combining the HIV and Sers to break down immunity and the respiratory component as well  Why kids seem less effected needs to be studied for cure potential  This is not posted as fact just conjecture

Gratitude for so many and children still healthy and hoping cures and immunization can be created

Money is nice, health is better, having a healthy family and friends is priceless  I come from no money, going back for a while does not scare me

I will keep my "office" closed but am sending emails to all my clients asking how I can help them using zoom calls and fedex

Sent to about 100 or so and responses are encouraging so far.  When you treat people like they are important and their lives matter (because they do) they appreciate it.  Always lived by that creed

[G-Man]

It's the let 'er run or mitigate argument again.   I sure don't know what's best,  and I'm glad I'm not one of the ones who has to make the call.   Kinda cursed if you do,  cursed of you don't.

Reminds me of the fires in California.  They used to let them burn to completion.  New forests grew and others burned down.  Cycle of life.  Now they put them out as soon as possible to                       save a couple houses and 10 years later the fires are destroying hundreds.

[G-Man]

I am thinking that this will be at least thru April now

Have received information from medical people inside China that I believe, they say thru autopsies conducted over past months it seems likely covad19 is in fact a man made virus combining the HIV and Sers to break down immunity and the respiratory component as well  Why kids seem less effected needs to be studied for cure potential  This is not posted as fact just conjecture

Gratitude for so many and children still healthy and hoping cures and immunization can be created

Money is nice, health is better, having a healthy family and friends is priceless  I come from no money, going back for a while does not scare me

I will keep my "office" closed but am sending emails to all my clients asking how I can help them using zoom calls and fedex

Sent to about 100 or so and responses are encouraging so far.  When you treat people like they are important and their lives matter (because they do) they appreciate it.  Always lived by that creed

How about a virtual card game???

[Jersey mike]

ones who have died from corona have pre-existing health issues. again a very small number.
they are using this to destroy the country for nothing.

Please tell us. Do you think the rest of the world is in on your latest conspiracy theory? Are they all in on it too?

It will be amusing watching you eat your words.

It's not a conspiracy theory.  It's merely a projection based upon facts.  Studies do show that deaths increase as a result of widespread unemployment and recession (depression?).  Stymieing the economy for a few weeks is projected by experts more than a few weeks becomes increasingly more severe toward full scale depression.  

The question is how many lives will be saved as compared to how many lives will be lost?  How many lives will be ruined?

I don't know the precise answers.  I imagine we will in time.  I suspect strongly that our actions in efforts to save the lives of some potential COVID-19 victims are doing much more damage to our economy and culture than the virus itself would do.

We do need to be more aware of cleaning our hands, not sneezing into occupied air, and diminishing the times we touch our mouth, nose and eyes.

Almost every medication we purchase carries a list of the possible side effects.  We decide whether the negative risks are worth the positive possibilities.  That's not unlike the negative and positive results of actions we take in order to save lives.

Oh, please do not look forward to the amusement of watching me eating my words.  I haven't much experience of that happening.   

Anyone who believes our national response to this isn’t being documented by foreign entities isn’t living in reality. 

Enemies of our nation are taking notes of the impact of our health system, society’s ability to cope, the national moral, how our National Guard and other military branches are utilized, how this impacts our monetary system, how our supply chains will operate under these circumstances, to what extent will private companies and industry will help and provide goods and services, to what extent will the government go to provide monetary relief to citizens and how much money will be printed to cover additional national expenses. This is what biological warfare looks like whether or not anyone agrees is up them.

[Valkorado]

True,  but it's kicking many of our enemies' butts too.

[scooperhsd]

True,  but it's kicking many of our enemies' butts too.

And they aren't doing as well...

[Robert]

A few questions,

How long should this last?
If we quarantine why wont it still be there after were done?

Why would it not come back?

Disease is usually never a one wave of infection its usually on going, why this pathology on this?

As example, quarantined for cancer when people are done with quarantine they still will get it why not this? Or is it like measles a one time shot?

IF this pathology is true and is a one time case, which is unusual why dont we know about this?

Why a possible one time disease decides now to show up on the world scene?

Why has no one told us about the course of this disease, what happens when we first get it to the time of a cure or death?

What can we do if no cure has been endorsed?

What was the cause of this?

Why is the government going into overdrive on this when 414 have died in the US?

Why is the government not being open and honest on this?

Why are members of Congress getting it.

Why no facts on this, why lock down, why is the media scaring people with no facts?

Why are there no doctors to explain the pathology?

Why is there no calm talk about the reasoning behind this and letting the people make decisions?

We without facts, without knowing, are told to lock down in homes, with many possibly loosing all they have and putting a strain on the economy to the point we may not recover and putting people in panic so that it could spark a riot or worse and fear not reason being the motivator.

That to me is not what a free, open country is based on and it gives the prepers the exact thing they needed to say, see I told you so.

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu. Antiviral medications are an important adjunct to flu vaccine in the control of influenza.2 days ago

Why rather than lock people down are they not passing out the Malaria drugs that seem to work along with Zithromax

Is it more prudent to destroy the economy have trillion dollar bail outs to the rich again, or pass out drugs approved for other means and deemed safe to everyone?

Coronavirus Cases:
335,403
view by country
Deaths:
14,611
Recovered:
97,636



As for being a Christian and living through this

I know my end, just like everyone there is one eventuality. I do not want to go there early but I will not let fear ruin everyday I have. I do not want to see anyone lose their life through this but to live through it the way that we are preceding may be worse than not.

We do not know all the facts.

Like a child we are told what to do rather than like an adult explaining the situation and making people understand why this hardship.

                                        Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report | CDC

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu. Antiviral medications are an important adjunct to flu vaccine in the control of influenza.2 days ago

Yet we dont worry about this, do we?

The government stopped the top scientists from working on this exact virus in 2012 and maybe even earlier yet Canada did continue on their studies. Why have we not heard anything about this and what is the outcome of these studies, and was there a cure?

Why has the Gates foundation not informed the people of the research, results and current status of this virus since they have predicted, and funded and held symposiums on this.


March 9, 2020

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Wellcome, and Mastercard Launch Initiative to Speed Development and Access to Therapies for COVID-19: The Gates Foundation and Wellcome are each contributing up to $50 million, and the Mastercard Impact Fund has committed up to $25 million to catalyze the initial work of the accelerator. The Gates Foundation’s funding is part of its up to $100 million commitment to the COVID-19 response announced last month.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/TheOptimist/coronavirus

Right now, there are no vaccines available that can prevent people from becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19.

He also noted that the mortality rate of the virus was higher than typical influenza. Depending on the quality of care that a patient receives, the mortality rate for the virus can range from 0.7 percent to 4 percent, Gates explained. Continuing, he said the average estimated mortality rate of the virus is currently about 1 percent.

For reference, according to data from the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the 1957 Asian flu pandemic (0.6 percent mortality rate) killed 1.1 million people and the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic (2 percent mortality rate) killed 50 million worldwide.



IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE THE GATES FOUNDATION HAS ALL THE ANSWERS ON THIS. LIKE THIS LITTLE GEM,"mortality rate for the virus can range from 0.7 percent to 4 percent". SO THEY KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE?
 

Medicago Announces Production of a Viable Vaccine Candidate for COVID-19

Medicago Inc., a biopharmaceutical company headquartered in Quebec City, announced today that they have successfully produced a Virus-Like Particle (VLP) of the coronavirus just 20 days after obtaining the SARS-CoV-2 (virus causing the COVID-19 disease) gene.

Medicago has a manufacturing site in North Carolina.
 

[Valkorado]

Whew!   Not even going to take a stab at that one.  Good inquisitive post!   

[Willow]

Whew!   Not even going to take a stab at that one.  Good inquisitive post!   

We disagree but that's not unusual.  It's a large collection of rather ignorant questions and a number of accusations disguised as questions.

[Valkorado]

No, it's not!

Two birds with one stone?

Saw the accusations,  that's why I didn't want to stab.   Or poke in the eye.

[Willow]

Two birds with one stone?

Wait!  Whom are you calling birds?   

[Valkorado]

British Native American German?

[Robert]

Whew!   Not even going to take a stab at that one.  Good inquisitive post!   

We disagree but that's not unusual.  It's a large collection of rather ignorant questions and a number of accusations disguised as questions.

OK Why ignorant, since you seem to be the oracle of intelligence and I want to learn. In putting pieces together there are some facts that dont have a connection or explanation, since you called them ignorant I would assume that even the statements you can connect.

Or maybe like you I should limit my thoughts and posts to a few lines so that any reasoning or questions can be done simply.


I found this video, which answered some of my questions.

What Coronavirus Symptoms Look Like, Day by Day

https://youtu.be/OOJqHPfG7pA

How soap kills the coronavirus

https://youtu.be/-LKVUarhtvE

"Holy crap, This Is Not The Flu": Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19... Even In Young Patients

Most staff concluded that he was overreacting. “They thought the media was overhyping it,” the respiratory therapist told me. “In retrospect, he was right to be concerned.”

“It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy crap, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.

“When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”

    I do not want to catch this.

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

[cookiedough]

I am thinking that this will be at least thru April now

/quote]

god I hope not that long thru April but more and more I see will be.  I do not foresee too many companies we work for making it that long without massive layoffs and ruining the economy into a deep recession. 

Anyone who has worked in any company (at least that I know of) who thinks their employees work just as hard and efficient at home vs. in the office is living in a dream land.  Our bosses boss told us that the IT dept. is going to be monitoring who is offline at home for more than say 45 minutes at a time (besides lunch) and if repetitive,  will be dealt with.  To me, means fired, which I think is what the new mgmt. in charge is hoping for to be perfectly honest.    I personally think our office should have gotten more informative information from our company wide CFO talk/meeting thru ZOOM the same day they were sending people home NO 24 hour warning even.  One question someone should have asked is if we put in an 8 hour day at home, does it still have to be normal  8 to 430 p.m. hours working from home?   You know as well as I that parents with children under say age 10 cannot reasonably work as efficient from home in a normal 8 hour business day.     I doubt even us older adults with no kids can do it.

Me and the 2 other co-workers were in the office all week doing our daily jobs that have to be done daily and HR mgr. came walking by us all in one big room to see who was and was not in.  Guessing she took note of why say 8 or 9 of us were in total over 50 in our area and going to ask WHY on Monday.  It was under 10 right so o.k.??????????   

[Willow]

OK Why ignorant...
...
    I do not want to catch this.

I won't wear this out and won't enter into a conversation that simply points back to the long list of what I see as uninformed questions.

Ignorant because multiple questions were about how the disease is spread and whether it's one time.  It's a virus.  It is spread the way a virus is spread.  immunity after infection is indeed like a virus and our immune systems.

Some of the questions are disguised accusations.

Why is the government not being open and honest on this?
...
Why no facts on this, why lock down, why is the media scaring people with no facts?

Several times you asked about no information while information is being distributed daily.

No one wants to catch this disease.

[Jersey mike]

True,  but it's kicking many of our enemies' butts too.

And they aren't doing as well...

I’d hate to call it collateral damage but maybe it is. I’m not saying this was released on purpose, I have no evidence of that, but maybe it was cooked up in a lab somewhere. What I’m saying is this is what biological warfare could look like and worse and not just against us. Every nation of importance and power is being observed.

Picture a scene 30-40 years from now, all the AOC’’s, Waters, Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer’s of the government and in our population have gotten their way...free, free, free, free and so on. Along comes a superbug we can’t fight, is wreaking havoc on society, many people are dead and dying and one of our sworn enemies has a cure but wants our nation to surrender or no cure. Would the nation comply or not.

[Robert]

OK Why ignorant...
...
    I do not want to catch this.

I won't wear this out and won't enter into a conversation that simply points back to the long list of what I see as uninformed questions.

Ignorant because multiple questions were about how the disease is spread and whether it's one time.  It's a virus.  It is spread the way a virus is spread.  immunity after infection is indeed like a virus and our immune systems.

Some of the questions are disguised accusations.

Why is the government not being open and honest on this?
...
Why no facts on this, why lock down, why is the media scaring people with no facts?

Several times you asked about no information while information is being distributed daily.

No one wants to catch this disease.

We are in a real fight possibly for our lives and definitely for our finances and possible country, I want to know as much as I can about this. I make decisions for my family and myself based on what I know, the more I know the better decisions I can make. When someone wants to hurt my family or country and subject everyone to a military style intrusion I want to make sure all the avenues are explored and the ones held responsible for doing this brought to justice.

As for my personal care I do not trust any man and especially not the government to know what is best for me and my family and those around me, just like in my salvation.  

I agree about the long list of uninformed questions, that is exactly the point. Do you have any of these answers or am I missing any that have been presented in the media?

I'm glad you seem to accept that its a virus and that is enough, but why wont it reoccur? This one question has not been answered and all our responses are based on the bell curve of hospital admittance and care. They treat it as if it wont reoccur but have never answered that question for sure. I liken your thinking to, if you have cancer, then its cancer with no discernible difference in type and it all treats the same, is that correct?

This has been around since about 2010 and maybe earlier and under the viral testing that 3 governments have done, doesn't it seem logical that they would know more answers?

The scared reactions of the government to the point of crippling an economy and forcing very real hardships on people seem to say they know more than they are letting on? Especially when Influenza, SARS and a few more they did nothing. Why are they so scared enough to shut down a country. Your thinking of a regular virus does not seem to equate with the governments reaction in the past.  

The government, the Gates foundation, the Chinese, the Canadians all have known about this diseases and done testing on it, yet we are now only learning the spread, duration, is there a possible cure, and many more questions. The Gates foundation even did a symposium on it, yet we get information dribbled out, like we are the test bed. We should know much more immediately about this yet we dont.

Most doctors dont seem to know the truth of what they are up against either by witness of the hospitals and treatments available.

We are about to give away trillions of our money by the government in a tarp money without knowing the questions I have asked.  Actually good questions and some information points.

Why is the giving away of trillions in tarp money better than the government buying, designing and distributing ventilators if that helps people?

I believe maybe naively in an America that has unlimited potential, both in its people and abilities. I envision an America that the government does not keep secrets, helps its people and feels responsible to them and not a dictatorship. One that informs the people to make decisions on their own as to what is best for their families. I equate this board to this idea also and that the more that ask intelligent questions and hold government responsible will get results.

This, I believe is not that America especially in this situation. The media has lost its way and worries more about not calling it the China virus than answering the questions I have posed and investigating the causes, cure,timeline of this disease.

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Robert on recurrence my  take is that it happens but rarely.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection-get-covid-19-twice-sick-spread-relapse-a9400691.html

Humans - get them,” he explained. “So we know a fair amount about coronaviruses in general. For the most part, the feeling is once you’ve had a specific coronavirus, you are immune. We don’t have enough data to say that with this coronavirus, but it is likely.”
 
Some recovered coronavirus patients ‘may have reduced lung function’
This means that people who initially recovered are more likely to relapse rather than get reinfected with the virus.

According to one study, people with mild infections can test positive for the virus by throat swabs “for days and even weeks after their illness”.

But, that doesn’t mean it isn’t possible to contract the disease again, especially in those who are immunocompromised.