carnival cruise lines

[old2soon]

      Are headquartered in Miami fl. The ships appear to be flagged out of panama. Now they are cryin bout how much money they are burning thru every day with a serious drop in revenue-paying passengers. My question-even though they are a company with main offices in Fl. but ships flagged other than U S of A should American taxpayer dollars be used to bail out the company? I'm guessing foreign flagging is for tax purposes. So if they are Not paying their fair share of taxes should they be helped with Our Tax Dollars? I M H O-Not only NO but Hell NO. RIDE SAFE.

[Moonshot_1]

      Are headquartered in Miami fl. The ships appear to be flagged out of panama. Now they are cryin bout how much money they are burning thru every day with a serious drop in revenue-paying passengers. My question-even though they are a company with main offices in Fl. but ships flagged other than U S of A should American taxpayer dollars be used to bail out the company? I'm guessing foreign flagging is for tax purposes. So if they are Not paying their fair share of taxes should they be helped with Our Tax Dollars? I M H O-Not only NO but Hell NO. RIDE SAFE.

I would say we should support the cruise lines. Conditionally. Their ships would make excellent quarantine facilities if needed. They wouldn't be using them. We could lease them for the purpose. Ease the demand of and for hospitals. 

[scooperhsd]

Actually they probably are foreign flagged - but it isn't for tax purposes (primarily - although taxes probably plays some role). It's more likely for safety and pollution standards - 3rd world regulations tend to be looser than US ones.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I say to Hell with them ! They screwed us for decades, now they want our help ? Not in my book.  

[GiG]

Actually they probably are foreign flagged - but it isn't for tax purposes (primarily - although taxes probably plays some role). It's more likely for safety and pollution standards - 3rd world regulations tend to be looser than US ones.

The modern Holland cruise ships are evolved from the original Holland slave ships.
Why anyone would actually pay to go on these former slave carrying, mega-polluting, scofflaw  floating disease colonies is beyond me.

[Reb]

Formula for spreading a virus fast?

Put an effected individual in an 1100 ft long floating tuna can.

Feel  bad for these sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-uss-theodore-roosevelt-captain-removal-quarantine-sailors-aircraft-carrier/

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Actually they probably are foreign flagged - but it isn't for tax purposes (primarily - although taxes probably plays some role). It's more likely for safety and pollution standards - 3rd world regulations tend to be looser than US ones.

The modern Holland cruise ships are evolved from the original Holland slave ships.
Why anyone would actually pay to go on these former slave carrying, mega-polluting, scofflaw  floating disease colonies is beyond me.

 

[RP#62]

Crap, I think I agree with Rob.

"You can read a detailed analysis of this debate from Caitlin E. Burke of the University of Florida, in her paper "A Qualitative Study of Victimization and Legal Issues Relevant to Cruise Ships." She notes the "flags of convenience" trend dates back to Prohibition: "Cruise lines have been circumventing U.S. statutes and regulations since as early as the 1920s." She also cites a legal journal report on ship registry practices: "By opting to re-flag in a new nation, a vessel owner becomes subject to the safety, labor and environmental codes of that nation. Thus, those nations whose open registries have become the most popular also tend to be those who possess the most lax labor, safety and environmental codes." Burke's summation is that "the legal rights and remedies of U.S. passengers are greatly inhibited."

-RP

[cookiedough]

as said,  pay them ONLY if they allow their ships to be used for make shift quarters for those infected with the virus  or being treated like a hospital , that is more than fair and should get paid.  Other than that, heck NO.

My boss goes on yearly cruises with her sister and mom and said I should try it all inclusive only costs she said like 1500 bucks for 10 days or so.   She knows my salary and told her like I can afford that in a disgruntled way.   I would not mind once retired to take a crusie though to Alaska I think that would be cool to do vs. say the HOT bahamas.

[old2soon]

        So If I read that correctly cruise lines based in The U S of A fly other than the Flag of America cuz American regulations are "too tough" and Now they want American taxpayer dollars cuz we-America-give money awat easier!  Yup-think I got er now.  RIDE SAFE.

[Jess from VA]

When I was getting out of the service one of the jobs I interviewed for was being the country representative for the Reston VA company which ran the foreign flagging operation for Liberia Africa (and banking and insurance).  At that time (1992) Liberia was the largest foreign flagging operation in the world.

The foreign flagging was cheap, and I guess locals went down and kicked the ships with their boot to see if they sank.  It also had to do with much cheaper insurance, which is obviously a huge expense in international salty shipping.

At that time, Liberia had just had yet another revolution with rampant murder and mayhem and all the animals in the zoos had been eaten because of starvation.  My residence in the capital city of Monrovia was to be in a secured compound nextdoor to the CIA station chief, and I was surprised when my interviewer said I would could have all of my personal firearms with me over there.  It paid a lot of money and all my medical would be supplied In England.  I was the runner up to the guy who got the job, and it was kind of a relief, especially for my wife who didn't want to go.

When reading up on local culture, I discovered that the way locals showed their displeasure with foreign imperialists was to squat and have a bowel movement in your presence.  How quaint.

So I ended up at USDVA for the next 20 years, and I think Liberia might have been the better job.  Certainly a more interesting job.