C-19 has caused The Grand Canyon to close

[Jersey mike]

That’s right, The Grand Canyon is closed. They closed The Grand Canyon. I wonder if they filled it with water and put a tarp over it.

https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/news/grand-canyon-national-park-closed-04-01-2020.htm


Also other National Parks are closed too;

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/grand-canyon-closed-coronavirus/index.html

Many other US national parks have already closed to visitors to prevent the further spread of coronavirus. Joshua Tree National Park had announced on March 31 that it would be completely closed to visitors effective April 1.

Yosemite National Park in California, Arches and Canyonlands in Utah, Grand Teton in Wyoming and Yellowstone (which is located in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming) are also among the big headliner national parks that have closed to visitors.

On Thursday, April 2, Cumberland Island National Seashore off the coast of Georgia announced that it will close Friday to all park visitors until further notice. "This includes park facilities, grounds, trails, docks, and beaches," the seashore announced in a statement.

[Jersey mike]

In other ridiculous C-19 news

https://www.theblaze.com/news/disobedient-paddleboarder-chased-by-patrol-boats-arrested-by-sheriffs-deputies-for-defying-calif-democratic-governors-stay-at-home-order

In NJ the beaches are closed and we’re barely into Spring.

Washington State I heard outlawed fishing...seriously no fishing. How many people fish in a group?

[sandy]

Today, AZ told beauty salons to close. They WERE deemed an essential business.

[Jersey mike]

Today, AZ told beauty salons to close. They WERE deemed an essential business.

Here in NJ too but pet groomers are open...go figure. Schools closed but liquor store open...who’d a thunk it.

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

[old2soon]

        The guy I ride with here in SoMo is a butcher and his job has been deemed essential. I texted him 2nite after our Guv issued the stay at home order. I told him I KNOW his job is essential-He and others who work be funding my social insecurity.  Oh well! RIDE SAFE.

[0leman]

Sounds like most Federal/State campgrounds are closed as well as most national parks.  At least on this side of the country. 

Couple days ago they Close the Crater Lake NP.   Do miss riding up to see the snow cover lake. 

There is a National Monument to the south of us in CA that is still open.  Do ride thru it on one of loops.

[Rams]

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

Seriously?  Not gonna argue the whys and why nots, just surprised anyone wouldn't see the difference.

Rams

[RP#62]

Today, AZ told beauty salons to close. They WERE deemed an essential business.

Here in NJ too but pet groomers are open...go figure. Schools closed but liquor store open...who’d a thunk it.

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

Actually that one makes sense to me.  With all the kids home, alcohol is needed more than ever.

-RP

[Serk]

Today, AZ told beauty salons to close. They WERE deemed an essential business.

Here in NJ too but pet groomers are open...go figure. Schools closed but liquor store open...who’d a thunk it.

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

Actually that one makes sense to me.  With all the kids home, alcohol is needed more than ever.

-RP

Trust me.... It's VERY much needed right now!

[Willow]

Concerning liquor stores, I had a rather unique experience yesterday.

I went to the grocery store/pharmacy.  As I was walking from the parking lot there was a man on the sidewalk outside the store.  He was not an old man but not young.  He was holding a grocery bag and had the look of a person searching for help.  I nodded a greeting as I passed.

He walked toward me and spoke.  In a less than loud voice he said to me, "Please.  I need help." He spoke with a heavy accent and I had to ask him to repeat twice.  "Please help me.  My wife is coming but they won't sell to me."  There were tears in his eyes.  Behind him almost next to the grocery store was a liquor store.

He held out a twenty dollar bill toward me.  "Please buy me a Vodka." 

"I can't do that.  Whatever else you need I will try to help you."

"Oh, my God!  Please get me a Vodka."

"I'm sorry but I just can't do that."  I was torn but I turned to walk away into the store.

"Oh, my God!  Please!"

I've become accustomed to people asking for money, even money to by liquor.  I've not dealt with that particular appeal before.  It stayed with me for awhile.  I questioned myself for awhile.

[John Schmidt]

Last night my daughter showed me a video taken by a guy on a walk through an upscale 'hood. It was recycle day for trash pickup and as he walked along he took a video at each address. Each home without fail had the recycle box full of wine and liquor bottles, one had a couple cardboard beer cases sticking out of the trash barrel. His comments were hilarious to say the least.

Me....I went all out....had a glass of wine while at her house for a belated b'day celebration, took me most of the evening to finish. 

[cookiedough]

I think closing national parks is a bit over done but what do I know? 

They did say read up on that there is a possibility that this could spread airborne more than 6 feet away so maybe that is why not coughing on someone or spewing all over each other, but just thru the air particles is all breathing normal?   

Maybe we all need to wear face masks or handerchiefs or doo rags or some type of masks while riding our cycles and full helmet to protect ourselves while riding our cycles on the open road, just saying? 

[Willow]

For what it's worth concerning the OP and title COVID-19 isn't closing the national parks.  It's reaction to the COVID-19 that is closing parks and a lot more.

[Jersey mike]

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

Seriously?  Not gonna argue the whys and why nots, just surprised anyone wouldn't see the difference.

Rams

I don’t know which jobs or businesses are deemed allowed to be open where you live but I’m have a hard time with who the government(s) are allowing to function and whose employees are allowed to earn a living.

Just because someone operates a gas station is their business and livelihood/income more important than the small time barber who cuts hair. Forget this crap about government hand outs that are still weeks away from getting into the hands of people, the barber still needs cash in his pockets to feed the family, pay the car insurance, pay the cell phone bill (which is vital in today’s society), pay his business insurance and his home propery taxes. As far as I know property taxes are not on furlough in any state.

I support small businesses whenever possible and these restrictions are strangling some of them.

[Jersey mike]

For what it's worth concerning the OP and title COVID-19 isn't closing the national parks.  It's reaction to the COVID-19 that is closing parks and a lot more.

To be honest I’m not sure what your stance is on this.

My take on this is THE GRAND CANYON...CLOSED.

[hubcapsc]

Just because someone operates a gas station is their business ... more important than the small time barber who cuts hair.

Yes.

Just because someone operates a gas station is their ... livelihood/income more important than the small time barber who cuts hair.

No.

-Mike

[Valkorado]

Just because someone operates a gas station is their business ... more important than the small time barber who cuts hair.

Yes.

Just because someone operates a gas station is their ... livelihood/income more important than the small time barber who cuts hair.

No.

-Mike

 

[Willow]

Hair cutting places aren't down because the employees are not important.  It's because those places involve a lot of touching and gathered people waiting.

I'm not posting any pictures of myself until after the stay-in-place order is lifted.  My wife, bless her heart, said to me, "You're air does get really curly when it's long!"  She's not before seen it like this.   ???

[Rams]

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

Seriously?  Not gonna argue the whys and why nots, just surprised anyone wouldn't see the difference.

Rams

I don’t know which jobs or businesses are deemed allowed to be open where you live but I’m have a hard time with who the government(s) are allowing to function and whose employees are allowed to earn a living.

Just because someone operates a gas station is their business and livelihood/income more important than the small time barber who cuts hair. Forget this crap about government hand outs that are still weeks away from getting into the hands of people, the barber still needs cash in his pockets to feed the family, pay the car insurance, pay the cell phone bill (which is vital in today’s society), pay his business insurance and his home propery taxes. As far as I know property taxes are not on furlough in any state.

I support small businesses whenever possible and these restrictions are strangling some of them.

I also support small businesses as much as possible.   The only considerations I believe are most important is, what "essential" businesses are truly necessary to conduct life as we know it or want it and, where are people most likely to be in close contact with each other.  

I would ask you, is it more important to contain the spread of this virus or, keep "close contact" businesses open and continue spreading this virus.    The Fed has passed a 2.2 trillion dollar "Economic Stimulus Bill" that allows small businesses to survive if, they wish to do so.    Since we don't have a vaccine for this bug, social distancing seems to be the best way to contain it.   My bet is, that most barber shops (your example) don't have sufficient business to keep the doors open anyway.    Folks are finally getting the message and staying home unless they have a real need to get out.   At least, that's my observation.

Hair cutting places aren't down because the employees are not important.  It's because those places involve a lot of touching and gathered people waiting.

I'm not posting any pictures of myself until after the stay-in-place order is lifted.  My wife, bless her heart, said to me, "You're air hair does get really curly when it's long!"  She's not before seen it like this.   ???

MotoMama, please grab a camera and take a pic of Willow.   I'm sure we'll all enjoy it.

Rams  

[Valkorado]

Hair cutting places aren't down because the employees are not important.  It's because those places involve a lot of touching and gathered people waiting.

I'm not posting any pictures of myself until after the stay-in-place order is lifted.  My wife, bless her heart, said to me, "You're air does get really curly when it's long!"  She's not before seen it like this.   ???

My solution.

[The emperor has no clothes]

To some effect they are. But we still have MANY SoCal people coming here boating and partying. I personally wish they would shut down the boat ramps to deter them. (But nobody asked me)

[Jersey mike]

Hair cutting places aren't down because the employees are not important.  It's because those places involve a lot of touching and gathered people waiting.

I'm not posting any pictures of myself until after the stay-in-place order is lifted.  My wife, bless her heart, said to me, "You're air does get really curly when it's long!"  She's not before seen it like this.   ???

This isn’t about the barber and ladies hair salons specifically, they were pretty much the smallest of small businesses I could think of with store fronts to operate. It’s about all the small people who are being forced to stay out of the ir   work places while other people are being allowed to still maintain an income.

Around here every gas station is open...dozens, of people are not allowed out who’s buying gas?
In my town a liquor license sells for $600k and there are only 2 or 3 privately held licenses left in town, the rest are held by corporate chain restaurants. The chain restaurants are allowed to be open for curbside pickup for food but since the small taverns really don’t do the large business the chains do they’re closed.

On the Jersey Shore there are hundreds of privately owned bars and nightclubs which employ thousands of staff...cooks, waitresses, bartenders and busboys all now not able to work.

The decisions to call some businesses essential and labeling others as non-essential is just wrong. It tells people your job and livelihood don’t matter.

If a person who owns a business during a time like this wants to remain open they should be allowed to make that decision for themselves and allow the public to decide whether or not to be a customer or not.

As for the barber, if a surgeon can operate with gloves and a mask then I’m sure a barber can cut hair doing the same. As for the number of people in the store at a time...ask people to wait in their cars, no more than 1-2 at a time in the shop. It’s not that difficult with some common sense.

If a supermarket employs 30 people to run the store/stock shelves, cashiers and so on, and allow another 40 or more people in the store to wander around from isle to isle, touch items on shelves, load their shopping carts, stand on line to check out and then check out, a whole process which can be an hour or so depending on how busy the store is, what’s the difference in allowing a restaurant to cut its seating in one third or in half to allow patrons to have a meal.

There are millions of people in this country still working, the rest of the people should be allowed to decide for themselves whether to work or not. The rest of the people should be allowed to decide whether or not to have a drink at a bar or not. Personal responsibility and personal accountability has been removed altogether.

[Jersey mike]

To some effect they are. But we still have MANY SoCal people coming here boating and partying. I personally wish they would shut down the boat ramps to deter them. (But nobody asked me)

So where does it stop in cutting off a persons income and business revenue? Because you say so? Because you feel unsafe? If you feel unsafe don’t go there.

Why should those who own docks, tackle shops, fueling stations and boat ramps be penalized?  There are hundreds of docks and marinas here in NJ and we are only a seasonal state for boating, what about communities that rely on their marinas, then would you consider them essential?

This whole thing is f’ing nuts.

Be well.

[Jersey mike]

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

Seriously?  Not gonna argue the whys and why nots, just surprised anyone wouldn't see the difference.

Rams

I don’t know which jobs or businesses are deemed allowed to be open where you live but I’m have a hard time with who the government(s) are allowing to function and whose employees are allowed to earn a living.

Just because someone operates a gas station is their business and livelihood/income more important than the small time barber who cuts hair. Forget this crap about government hand outs that are still weeks away from getting into the hands of people, the barber still needs cash in his pockets to feed the family, pay the car insurance, pay the cell phone bill (which is vital in today’s society), pay his business insurance and his home propery taxes. As far as I know property taxes are not on furlough in any state.

I support small businesses whenever possible and these restrictions are strangling some of them.

I also support small businesses as much as possible.   The only considerations I believe are most important is, what "essential" businesses are truly necessary to conduct life as we know it or want it and, where are people most likely to be in close contact with each other.  

I would ask you, is it more important to contain the spread of this virus or, keep "close contact" businesses open and continue spreading this virus.    The Fed has passed a 2.2 trillion dollar "Economic Stimulus Bill" that allows small businesses to survive if, they wish to do so.    Since we don't have a vaccine for this bug, social distancing seems to be the best way to contain it.   My bet is, that most barber shops (your example) don't have sufficient business to keep the doors open anyway.    Folks are finally getting the message and staying home unless they have a real need to get out.   At least, that's my observation.

Hair cutting places aren't down because the employees are not important.  It's because those places involve a lot of touching and gathered people waiting.

I'm not posting any pictures of myself until after the stay-in-place order is lifted.  My wife, bless her heart, said to me, "You're air hair does get really curly when it's long!"  She's not before seen it like this.   ???

MotoMama, please grab a camera and take a pic of Willow.   I'm sure we'll all enjoy it.

Rams  

What’s important to me is that they have eliminated the people from making their own decisions.

I mean seriously, in California they arrested a guy for kayaking alone in the ocean. I watched the video and the lifeguard and sheriffs boats came flying in at him like a scene out of some movie.

There are still states that are not shut down but are operating on a system of caution and it’s working for them, people using common sense but those who want to be open for business are.

[The emperor has no clothes]

To some effect they are. But we still have MANY SoCal people coming here boating and partying. I personally wish they would shut down the boat ramps to deter them. (But nobody asked me)

So where does it stop in cutting off a persons income and business revenue? Because you say so? Because you feel unsafe? If you feel unsafe don’t go there.

Why should those who own docks, tackle shops, fueling stations and boat ramps be penalized?  There are hundreds of docks and marinas here in NJ and we are only a seasonal state for boating, what about communities that rely on their marinas, then would you consider them essential?

This whole thing is f’ing nuts.

Be well.

We live in an imperfect world. It's not about rewarding or penalizing one business over another. It's about minimizing our danger right now. My issue with the boats is this : California and Arizona are both supposed to be in a "lock down" now to minimize the transferring of the virus. We have a multitude of SoCal people coming here to party. Short of stopping them at the border and turning them back, shutting the ramps down would be the most effective way to stop a lot of them.

[Rams]

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

Seriously?  Not gonna argue the whys and why nots, just surprised anyone wouldn't see the difference.

Rams

I don’t know which jobs or businesses are deemed allowed to be open where you live but I’m have a hard time with who the government(s) are allowing to function and whose employees are allowed to earn a living.

Just because someone operates a gas station is their business and livelihood/income more important than the small time barber who cuts hair. Forget this crap about government hand outs that are still weeks away from getting into the hands of people, the barber still needs cash in his pockets to feed the family, pay the car insurance, pay the cell phone bill (which is vital in today’s society), pay his business insurance and his home propery taxes. As far as I know property taxes are not on furlough in any state.

I support small businesses whenever possible and these restrictions are strangling some of them.

I also support small businesses as much as possible.   The only considerations I believe are most important is, what "essential" businesses are truly necessary to conduct life as we know it or want it and, where are people most likely to be in close contact with each other.  

I would ask you, is it more important to contain the spread of this virus or, keep "close contact" businesses open and continue spreading this virus.    The Fed has passed a 2.2 trillion dollar "Economic Stimulus Bill" that allows small businesses to survive if, they wish to do so.    Since we don't have a vaccine for this bug, social distancing seems to be the best way to contain it.   My bet is, that most barber shops (your example) don't have sufficient business to keep the doors open anyway.    Folks are finally getting the message and staying home unless they have a real need to get out.   At least, that's my observation.

Hair cutting places aren't down because the employees are not important.  It's because those places involve a lot of touching and gathered people waiting.

I'm not posting any pictures of myself until after the stay-in-place order is lifted.  My wife, bless her heart, said to me, "You're air hair does get really curly when it's long!"  She's not before seen it like this.   ???

MotoMama, please grab a camera and take a pic of Willow.   I'm sure we'll all enjoy it.

Rams  

What’s important to me is that they have eliminated the people from making their own decisions.

I mean seriously, in California they arrested a guy for kayaking alone in the ocean. I watched the video and the lifeguard and sheriffs boats came flying in at him like a scene out of some movie.

There are still states that are not shut down but are operating on a system of caution and it’s working for them, people using common sense but those who want to be open for business are.

Unfortunately, this goes way beyond just using "common sense".

I recently read a study that indicated that an infected person could unknowingly spread the virus for up to 14 days without having any symptoms.   That infected person(s) could not only infect (directly) folks they came in contact with but folks eight people down the line who never came close to the original infected person, the virus just gets passed from one person to the next.   Don't forget that 14 day incubation period where the infected shows no sign of being sick but can and does share the virus with those they come into contact with.  So, it's not about just exercising common sense.    Unless a person totally cuts all contact with the outside world, then they may never have been close to the originally infected person but, can be exposed through shared contamination.    

Not to make this personal but, let's say someone you know of decides to go to one of meathead's docks to party with his/her friends from CA.   The virus gets shared at the party, the person you know of but don't know shares his new virus with his family who shares it with their friends and it eventually makes it's way to your parents area or, your kid's school and they bring it home.   There is a well established pattern for the spread of this virus and hoping "common sense" will be the containment cure has proven to not work.   Spring Break on the beaches of this nation should be proof enough.

I do not support big brother government in most cases but, in this case, I do support Governors protecting their states from this spreading virus.   It doesn't have to hit my home for me to recognize the threat it is.   What I believe some folks aren't accepting is, we are at war with a virus, peace time rules are often changed to meet war time needs.    I don't like accepting a lot of what is happening but, alone, we can not stop or contain this virus, it's going to take a collective effort.

Rams

[Jersey mike]

In all honesty who’s to say whose livelihoods are essential and whose aren’t. This is a fine line they’re walking. What makes a gas station or a convenience store more important than a pet groomer, barber or beauty salon owner.

Seriously?  Not gonna argue the whys and why nots, just surprised anyone wouldn't see the difference.

Rams

I don’t know which jobs or businesses are deemed allowed to be open where you live but I’m have a hard time with who the government(s) are allowing to function and whose employees are allowed to earn a living.

Just because someone operates a gas station is their business and livelihood/income more important than the small time barber who cuts hair. Forget this crap about government hand outs that are still weeks away from getting into the hands of people, the barber still needs cash in his pockets to feed the family, pay the car insurance, pay the cell phone bill (which is vital in today’s society), pay his business insurance and his home propery taxes. As far as I know property taxes are not on furlough in any state.

I support small businesses whenever possible and these restrictions are strangling some of them.

I also support small businesses as much as possible.   The only considerations I believe are most important is, what "essential" businesses are truly necessary to conduct life as we know it or want it and, where are people most likely to be in close contact with each other.  

I would ask you, is it more important to contain the spread of this virus or, keep "close contact" businesses open and continue spreading this virus.    The Fed has passed a 2.2 trillion dollar "Economic Stimulus Bill" that allows small businesses to survive if, they wish to do so.    Since we don't have a vaccine for this bug, social distancing seems to be the best way to contain it.   My bet is, that most barber shops (your example) don't have sufficient business to keep the doors open anyway.    Folks are finally getting the message and staying home unless they have a real need to get out.   At least, that's my observation.

Hair cutting places aren't down because the employees are not important.  It's because those places involve a lot of touching and gathered people waiting.

I'm not posting any pictures of myself until after the stay-in-place order is lifted.  My wife, bless her heart, said to me, "You're air hair does get really curly when it's long!"  She's not before seen it like this.   ???

MotoMama, please grab a camera and take a pic of Willow.   I'm sure we'll all enjoy it.

Rams  

What’s important to me is that they have eliminated the people from making their own decisions.

I mean seriously, in California they arrested a guy for kayaking alone in the ocean. I watched the video and the lifeguard and sheriffs boats came flying in at him like a scene out of some movie.

There are still states that are not shut down but are operating on a system of caution and it’s working for them, people using common sense but those who want to be open for business are.

Unfortunately, this goes way beyond just using "common sense".

I recently read a study that indicated that an infected person could unknowingly spread the virus for up to 14 days without having any symptoms.   That infected person(s) could not only infect (directly) folks they came in contact with but folks eight people down the line who never came close to the original infected person, the virus just gets passed from one person to the next.   Don't forget that 14 day incubation period where the infected shows no sign of being sick but can and does share the virus with those they come into contact with.  So, it's not about just exercising common sense.    Unless a person totally cuts all contact with the outside world, then they may never have been close to the originally infected person but, can be exposed through shared contamination.    

Not to make this personal but, let's say someone you know of decides to go to one of meathead's docks to party with his/her friends from CA.   The virus gets shared at the party, the person you know of but don't know shares his new virus with his family who shares it with their friends and it eventually makes it's way to your parents area or, your kid's school and they bring it home.   There is a well established pattern for the spread of this virus and hoping "common sense" will be the containment cure has proven to not work.   Spring Break on the beaches of this nation should be proof enough.

I do not support big brother government in most cases but, in this case, I do support Governors protecting their states from this spreading virus.   It doesn't have to hit my home for me to recognize the threat it is.   What I believe some folks aren't accepting is, we are at war with a virus, peace time rules are often changed to meet war time needs.    I don't like accepting a lot of what is happening but, alone, we can not stop or contain this virus, it's going to take a collective effort.

Rams

Are we at war with this, I believe we are but who is winning? I’ve said it before this is what biological warfare looks like. Introduce an unknown bug/virus and watch the dominos fall.

This whole thing has now set a permanent precedent for the next time this may happen. Shut down the country. Suspend business. Lock people in their homes. Spend TRILLIONS of dollars we do not have on helping people maintain their lives. When this is all said and done we will have added close 8 TRILLION dollars to our debt.

I firmly believe that these things we have done although with good intentions will come back one day to bite us on the backside because now it is evident we have shown a sign of vulnerability.


Thanks to everyone for taking the time to add your responses. Stay well, be safe. God Bless.

[Jersey mike]

I’d like to add this to this thread without opening an entire new thread or post, I’m not trying to start an argument with any of you or nullify what you feel or believe, I respect what you all have to say although we may not be in agreement. I have strong beliefs on many things and I’m sure you all feel the same regarding yours. I believe open and honest discussion gets further than arguments which can lead to more difficult things. I’ve learned a lot from reading through the posts of many of you on different topics and points of view as well as lifestyles of you in different parts of the country.

Well I wanted to get that out of the way, so I can get busy doing something today.

Mike