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« on: April 06, 2020, 04:32:17 PM »

This should make everyone warm and fuzzy. This is how it was handled for weeks before it was taken serious. It was known about in January.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2020, 06:58:12 PM »

You have demonstrated a keen ability for bellyaching.    Couldn't make it through ten seconds of that video.

There were things done well.  There have been things I wish had been approached differently.  Politicizing this virus is counterproductive.  Lickin' it takes teamwork.  

IOW quit yer bitchin'.

Go team,  go!
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2020, 07:39:38 PM »

@JFaje1: that video is both funny and terrifying.

I bet not a single 'Faux News' addict will stop watching it though.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2020, 08:21:15 PM »

I can relate to how Trump Haters feel, I felt the same way about Obama.   
Yeah, I watched as he screwed up this country (from my perspective) and whined about it when he pushed his socialist agenda.   But, I also gave him credit when he did the few good things he did get done, like allowing OSB to be killed.   

Won't start arguing about perspectives, you have yours and I have mine.   I was not a Candidate Trump fan, he was not my favorite candidate but, I sure has hell couldn't vote for HRC.   Being a Conservative Registered Democrat ain't easy.   Even though, DJT was not my first choice, I believe he's done a commendable job the last three years and blaming him for COVID-19 just shows how political/hateful some folks are.   

No, I don't watch any particular news source repeatedly, the wife likes the Today Show so I guess I'm guilty of seeing that "source" more than others.   A very biased source IMHO.

Be safe and please practice Social Distancing, especially if we're in close proximity.  Wink

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2020, 08:33:57 PM »

Are you really kidding me? I watched most of the video.

I dont see the mass dead to the tune of 500k

I dont even see the mass dead at 200k

I dont even see the mass dead at 100k

The best you can come up with is people saying that the numbers are not going to be that bad and turning out to be true and you think that this is terrible.

WTH?

Heart disease in the US ONLY NOT THE WORLD, yet we dont shut down an economy.

    Number of deaths: 647,457
    Deaths per 100,000 population: 198.8
    Cause of death rank: 1


It certainly does not compare to the Covid 19 stat at 12,854 dead or 39, yes I did say 39 dead at ONE MILLION POPULATION

 NOT 647k dead or 198.8 per 100k pop for heart disease even though the stat for heart disease is for one year and the Covid stat is for 3.5 months.  


    We do we have these mind numbing videos of people saying this exact thing held up as terrible and earth shaking.

Let just say one more thing, China knew well in advance the true numbers on this and lied about it. They even lied about it when other countries already had people sick with the virus. So with no experience with this disease, the economy on knife edge poised to disaster and no experience except from those working on military grade China virus what did you want them to do, cause panic from the git go.

You guys must be really happy now with the economy shut down people out of work, unemployment through the roof, food kitchens failing, milk being thrown away and all for what, really I mean, for what? A death rate lower than most influenza viruses or most illness. I would say you got what you wanted although by your standards a bit late. I hope you understand some day the severity of what was done. I hope in your own minds you can find the justification for putting the US in a tail spin.

I will ask any of you if Trump had done these things earlier what would have been different in the outcome?????

I also dont hear anything about you quoting Trump saying at the start of his presidency that China is not our friend, or his closing of the boarders, or the help to NY or the other things he has positively done to control this.

This unfortunately is not about a political issue any longer, in fact its not about an illness any longer either, its about the survival of the US economy and the people.

In case you missed that I am a bit upset then let me explain as a business owner I am forced now to deal with my employees, as to try to make this total shut down as easy on them as possible and to retain them. In this time I also need to cover my own bills for the business and personally with essentially very little business/money coming in. So why did I sacrifice my business, my savings, my employees, their bills and expenses and all that goes along with that. It was based on someone saying we would have 500k deaths from this. I am not alone either, since every business owner or self employed person is in a similar boat.

Thanks guys for the video it made perfect sense, NOT.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2020, 03:07:48 AM »

There is plenty of blame to go around. Near the top of the list for me:
As far back as November the CCP in collusion with the Corrupt W H O  buried the critical information of how transmittable this virus is.  They allowed infected people to travel from the Wuhan area by the thousands with the full knowledge of how deadly the virus was. They then allowed these infected people to travel to every corner of the globe.
I reserve the top of my list for the despicable yellow journalists who create videos like this and above all...the people who promote it on many internet forums just like this.
Their twisted reasoning???...orange man is bad and November is just around the corner...just a guess on my part
 
I close with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lUuB_ZEV-0
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2020, 04:29:05 AM »

JMHO......I truly think that had the U S not shut down and shelter in place that our death count would be MUCH higher.   This disease is so contagious that the number of infected would have been thru the roof....thus a much higher death count      I am 69 yrs old and have never exoerienced this type of event.     Considering that the President of the US went into this event basically blind as no other US President in my lifetime has encountered this type of event, I think Trump has made some very good decisions and lead this country courageously.    He has stayed on top of everything happening and has made wise economic decisions to try and save our economy when this is over     

GO TRUMP....
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2020, 04:52:01 AM »

If you divide US deaths 12,857 by total cases in the US 400,549 the death rate is 3.2 %

In the news yesterday 80 and older has a death rate of 18%
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2020, 05:32:36 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2020, 06:14:14 AM »

How long ago were those video clips taped? January? February? Makes a huge difference. Your video is pointless. I was saying the same stuff just a month ago. I thought it was just a big media hype to scare people. So your video is the most pointless thing i have ever watched. Better try next time.
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2020, 06:18:52 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2020, 06:31:21 AM »

After 76 days the lockdown in Wuhan has now been lifted. 50,000 people have reportedly already purchased train tickets to leave.

  The world will be watching with interest since reports are circulating that Singapore and in Hong Kong are now suffering a second wave of infections of COVID 19 which is potentially worse than the first.

This was exactly one of my questions that we were not getting the answer to obvilously because nobody knew the correct answer to, but it makes a huge difference in the response and to shut down a country.

A few headlines that may make people pause and reflect.  coolsmiley


Andrew Cuomo: We Haven’t Lost One Single Person Because We Couldn’t Provide Care

Overnight Open Thread: Tucker Has Dem Rep. Whitsett On, Thanks Trump For Highlighting Hydroxychloroquine

Dem Gov Cuomo: It’s “The Plain Truth” That President Trump Has “Delivered”

Trump Admin Wants To 'Work Directly' With Wuhan Institute Of Virology


Pelosi Says She Will Refuse More Money For Paycheck Protection Program Without Far-Left ‘Considerations’  tickedoff  uglystupid2

Nancy Pelosi Takes Advantage Of Coronavirus To Push Democrats’ Far Left Electioneering Goals

More People Died Of Suicide Last Week In Tennessee Than COVID-19

COVID-19 & The Looming Collapse Of Europe's Single Currency

Government To Decide What Items Are Essential Purchases And What Things You're Not Allowed To Buy

Almost Half Of Small Businesses Will Close If They Cannot Re-Open Soon

Gov. Whitmer reverses course on coronavirus drugs, is now asking feds for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine


Now I see in the media that Trump is again the villain for demanding that the governors be civil to him. Even though each Democratic governor has had major disrespect and done everything they can to hurt Trump and he has been very helpful in this. Even in NY where he sent a hospital ship to care for people, got 3M to send masks to the US, trying to bail out small business, Which is 60% of the US economy and even had companies make ventilators over their normal manufacturing.

I will never forget in the state of the Union the WHOLE Democratic party sitting when good things were said and Pelosi ripping up the speech.

If you can still feel good about this video in light of these headlines and facts, its truly a sad day.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2020, 06:36:11 AM »

Pelosi Says She Will Refuse More Money For Paycheck Protection Program Without Far-Left ‘Considerations’

In certain circles,  ‘Considerations’ is considered the crime of extortion.

In Congress, it's considered business as usual.  
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2020, 07:46:37 AM »

How long ago were those video clips taped? January? February? Makes a huge difference. Your video is pointless. I was saying the same stuff just a month ago. I thought it was just a big media hype to scare people. So your video is the most pointless thing i have ever watched. Better try next time.

C'mon you know that some are blessed with true miraculous hindsight.

Or is that some are so full of TDS and spite?

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2020, 08:54:12 AM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?
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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2020, 09:09:18 AM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?

From me. Exactly the same. Crap posts are crap posts.
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2020, 09:18:45 AM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?

From me. Exactly the same. Crap posts are crap posts.

Not talking about the posts. Talking about the perceptions of how this pandemic has been handled.
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2020, 09:22:23 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2020, 09:32:03 AM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?

From me. Exactly the same. Crap posts are crap posts.

Not talking about the posts. Talking about the perceptions of how this pandemic has been handled.

Not enough idiots in the Govt paying attention to what happened in other countries. The horse was gone way before the stable door was closed.
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2020, 09:44:31 AM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?

I would be highly suspicious, as I was of all of President Obama's actions, loyalties and motives, but I'd begrudgingly say he'd been doing mostly the right things at mostly the right time.

Mostly.
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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2020, 09:47:57 AM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?

From me. Exactly the same. Crap posts are crap posts.

Not talking about the posts. Talking about the perceptions of how this pandemic has been handled. 

The swine flu was not handled deftly, if I remember correctly.  There was no huge conservative uproar.
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2020, 09:51:13 AM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?
What the hell does Obama have to do with anything today. Maybe it's time to brush that chip off your shoulder before it grows roots...or is it too late?
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2020, 10:08:53 AM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?

From me. Exactly the same. Crap posts are crap posts.

Not talking about the posts. Talking about the perceptions of how this pandemic has been handled.

Why does it matter? That was the past,  this is now.  So your question has no meaningful insight.  Just another stupid what if question. Britmsn is correct though. Sh!t posts are sh!t posts no matter how you polish them.
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2020, 11:08:38 AM »

And please let's not forget how the previous bunch handled the swine flu PANDEMIC.

Bloody convenient short minded fools.
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2020, 11:44:38 AM »

And please let's not forget how the previous bunch handled the swine flu PANDEMIC.

Bloody convenient short minded fools.

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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2020, 12:30:40 PM »

I think is fascinating the reactions I see here.

Any criticism towards the government or the media is taken as a personal attack.

Take the linked video as an example: Mr Trump is featured speaking for only 10s out of a 3m04s video (a.k.a. 5% of the video duration and at the very end).

Yeah, his own words make him look pretty bad. But that is his own doing.

But let's look on the remaining 95% of the video: the way I see it, the video is a hard critic on the way that Fox news and GOP politicians communicated with the people and handled the impending plague.

I have this question: do you really think Fox News covered the Covid-19 in the correct/responsible way?
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2020, 12:51:57 PM »

 Typical Jfaje1 thread. Post some BS video and then sit back and watch the mayhem he caused.  I noticed that all the people in the video were either Fox people or contributers. If I remember correctly all media outlets were reporting this virus as nothing more then the flu in the beginning.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2020, 12:54:34 PM »

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I have this question: do you really think Fox News covered the Covid-19 in the correct/responsible way?

Yes.  Your video was a collection of short picks from Fox.  I've seen a very similar video showing similar picks from CNN, MSNB, and others.  I certainly trust Fox more than I do the intentionally biased reports of the other "news" networks.

Who do you think has handled this rush to panic properly?   Smiley

  
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2020, 12:56:38 PM »


Any criticism towards the government or the media is taken as a personal attack.



I call BS.   I have just recently been in several C19 threads on this board with plenty of criticism toward both the government and the media.

To answer your Fox question,  I was not pleased with their coverage in the beginning but what difference does it make now?  I was not pleased with MSDNC or CNN either.  I was watching the virus wreaking havoc in China, Italy,  France,  Iran,  Spain,  S.  Korea and the UK via Sky News and BBC World News so I may have been paying more attention than the average Joe.  I was more focused on the science aspect,  and I was sourcing my news from other online areas.
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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2020, 01:05:01 PM »


Yes.  Your video was a collection of short picks from Fox.  I've seen a very similar video showing similar picks from CNN, MSNB, and others.  I certainly trust Fox more than I do the intentionally biased reports of the other "news" networks.

Who do you think has handled this rush to panic properly?   Smiley

A) Not my video. But thanks for answering my question on Fox.

B) I'm unsure what you mean (some words missing in the question..?).
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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2020, 01:17:23 PM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?

I suspect those of us who didn't like Obama's socialist agenda would be watching very closely and bitch like hell as he attempted further Socialist Policies under the guise of Pandemic fixes.   But, it's an impossible question to answer because this situation did not happen and we really don't know how Obama would have reacted.   Hind sight is damn good.   I read or heard somewhere that one of the reasons PPE and other plague/virus protection was in short supply was because during Obama's tenure, it was mostly used up due to another virus and never replaced.   If that is correct, I suppose DJT is at fault there to.   Roll Eyes  No, I'm not going to research that but, you're welcomed to do so.   Another challenge DJT inherited.  

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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2020, 02:41:22 PM »

Yes.  Your video was a collection of short picks from Fox.  I've seen a very similar video showing similar picks from CNN, MSNB, and others.  I certainly trust Fox more than I do the intentionally biased reports of the other "news" networks.

Who do you think has handled this rush to panic properly?   Smiley
A) Not my video. But thanks for answering my question on Fox.

B) I'm unsure what you mean (some words missing in the question..?).

A) Perhaps you didn't originally post it but your post seems to be in support of the video.

B) It is a clear a question as one could ever hope to read.  Perhaps you could try reading it more slowly.
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2020, 02:58:28 PM »

@Willow: still unclear to me ('who': media x places) and can't really quite get the 'rush to panic' part of the question.

As it assumes that if you are not denying the problem (i.e. Fox), it implies that you are panicking (wrong!).

There is a difference between these 3: acting X panicking X ignoring the problem.

But I will speculate:

Who (i.e. places) handled the plague correctly:
a) South Korea: they did wide spread testing and containment.
b) California: the 'shelter-in-place' sucks big time, but I think thanks to it, we are not in a 'NY situation'. The Covid-19 initially hit the SF Bay Area harder/earlier than NY, but early action helped to contain the damage.
Testing is totally lame though (I'm following closely the stats for Santa Clara County, the hotspot in SF Bay Area and that deserves its own thread).

Who (i.e. media) handled the plague correctly:
a) Not Fox. Other media channels stressed how bad things were in Italy and how it could hurt us if nothing was done.
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2020, 04:57:30 PM »

@Willow: still unclear to me ('who': media x places) and can't really quite get the 'rush to panic' part of the question.

As it assumes that if you are not denying the problem (i.e. Fox), it implies that you are panicking (wrong!).

There is a difference between these 3: acting X panicking X ignoring the problem.

But I will speculate:

Who (i.e. places) handled the plague correctly:
a) South Korea: they did wide spread testing and containment.
b) California: the 'shelter-in-place' sucks big time, but I think thanks to it, we are not in a 'NY situation'. The Covid-19 initially hit the SF Bay Area harder/earlier than NY, but early action helped to contain the damage.
Testing is totally lame though (I'm following closely the stats for Santa Clara County, the hotspot in SF Bay Area and that deserves its own thread).

Who (i.e. media) handled the plague correctly:
a) Not Fox. Other media channels stressed how bad things were in Italy and how it could hurt us if nothing was done.

You made it clear that you think Fox didn't handle the reporting correctly so by context the question of who did handle it correctly would apply to other "news" networks.

"if you are not denying the problem (i.e. Fox)..."  You confirm by this that you don't even bother to inform yourself of the behavior of whom you are attacking.  Fox has not denied the problem for a long time now, if they ever did.  As I pointed out to you earlier, there is pretty much the same collection of reporters on CNN, MSNBC, and other networks displaying denial over the time period the video above covers.

The question is not whether the country is panicking.  The country is definitely panicking.  The question is only whether the panic has been.

I spoke (wrote) clearly.  I would like to believe that you are not nearly as stupid as you are pretending to be.

I agree that California is faring better than New York City has been.  I'm not convinced it's entirely the result of California's shelter-in-place.  The cultures and living practices are very different between NYC and the metropolitan areas of California.

Savago, don't bother replying to me.  At this point I've written you off.

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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2020, 05:13:14 PM »

Let me ask a simple question.

If this had happened at the same point in time during Obama's term, and the same actions were taken, what would the reactions be?

Clarify for me the full context of the situation we are comparing. Would we be assuming that Obama had been attacked by a blood thirsty media and party for 3 years and had just been impeached while this virus thing got rolling? Or would it be a continuing love affair between Obama and the media? For my part I’m glad the Chinese waited for Trump to be elected before infecting the rest of the world.
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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2020, 05:41:37 PM »

These 2 paragraphs from a Washington Post article pretty much sum up the situation ;


"The coronavirus pandemic has crystallized several long-standing undercurrents of the president’s governing ethos: a refusal to accept criticism, a seemingly insatiable need for praise — and an abiding mistrust of independent entities and individuals.

Those characteristics have had a pervasive effect on the administration’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic, from Trump’s suggestions that he might withhold aid from struggling state governments based on whether he is displeased with a governor to his repeated refusal to take responsibility for shortcomings in the laggard federal response."
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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2020, 05:51:40 PM »

Savago - If you remember correctly It was Trump that mentioned something like this in his SOTU speech. You know, the one Pelosi ripped up.
Then, when things were just starting to look bad Trump started closing borders and limiting or shutting down flights and caught a bunch of liberal Flak for that. He was well ahead of the rest of Washington.
All the while what were the Democrats doing? They were busy tying up the country with trying to get Trump impeached.
Have mentioned this to you before and you side-stepped it like you are trying to side-step Willow's easily understandable and direct question.
Be glad to share a beer with you if we ever meet up so don't take this personally  Wink
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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2020, 05:53:03 PM »

Meathead - The presidency is not a personality contest!
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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2020, 06:03:32 PM »

There is opinion and there is data.

As an engineer, I believe in data first.

Chart showing the percentage of stories covering Covid-19 comparing CNN vs Fox:


Source:
https://mediacloud.org/news/2020/4/3/coverage-of-covid-19-and-political-partisanship-comparing-across-nations

The study is more quantitative (i.e. % of news) not qualitative (i.e. how the news were covered).

Guess what happened in the day *after* the huge spike (on March 12th) in coverage at FOX? Check:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-declaring-national-emergency-concerning-novel-coronavirus-disease-covid-19-outbreak/
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Savago
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« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2020, 06:05:26 PM »

Be glad to share a beer with you if we ever meet up so don't take this personally  Wink

I agree, a cold one would be nice now (and I would really enjoy to share a beer!).
 cooldude

I guess I'm starting to suffer of cabin fever after being sheltering in place for 4 weeks.
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