NY Times digs into C19 and who knew what and when.

[Jersey mike]

This is a pretty long article. Posting for everyone to read and draw their own conclusions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=HomepageHomepage

This is the email chain which is referred to in the article, it’s about 80 pages with some graphs included. So far I’m into it about 30 pages.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6879-2020-covid-19-red-dawn-rising/66f590d5cd41e11bea0f/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

From what I’ve read in the email chain the article is spinning things to suit their agenda, but again draw your own conclusions.

[0leman]

I guess I am biased on NYT paper.   They seemed to push their own agenda instead of reporting the facts.  So probably won't waste my time reading it.

[Savago]

Nice article, thanks for sharing!

[3fan4life]

I guess I am biased on NYT paper.   They seemed to push their own agenda instead of reporting the facts.  So probably won't waste my time reading it.

He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus

The title of the article pretty much states their bias.

[Robert]

Dr. Fauci: The US Got “Misinformation” From China On Coronavirus…

https://youtu.be/timKpZM9G5o

[Savago]

@Robert: I agree that the CCP lied to the WHO and everyone else.

They arrested doctors who dared to warn their colleagues about a new Corona virus disease. They punished the few journalists brave enough who dared to mention the subject.

Some of them (doctors and journalists) are disappeared.

The CCP lied to the WHO about the human-to-human spread of the Corona virus.

They even shutdown the research lab that sequenced the DNA of the virus and published it in the web. Fortunately German scientists had access to the data and were able to develop the first test for the virus.

The NY Times, WaPO and CNN were reporting the news in the West weeks before it was ever mentioned in any TV in China, back in January.

In a free society, the media, doctors and researchers would have been allowed to blow the horn and warn the world sooner of what was coming.

We are in this mess basically because the CCP failed to acknowledge, contain the disease and share information on the subject.

And yeah, the fact that our government was publicly denying the seriousness of the matter did hurt us all.

But do you really think that the CIA/NSA/etc would blindly believe on what the Chinese government reported? Do you really think there was no one in the USA government that knew what was happening? And even if that so, do you really believe that the US federal government did everything possible to prepare for the plague and save American lives?

[Valkorado]

@Robert: I agree that the CCP lied to the WHO and everyone else.

They arrested doctors who dared to warn their colleagues about a new Corona virus disease. They punished the few journalists brave enough who dared to mention the subject.

Some of them (doctors and journalists) are disappeared.

The CCP lied to the WHO about the human-to-human spread of the Corona virus.

They even shutdown the research lab that sequenced the DNA of the virus and published it in the web. Fortunately German scientists had access to the data and were able to develop the first test for the virus.

The NY Times, WaPO and CNN were reporting the news in the West weeks before it was ever mentioned in any TV in China, back in January.

In a free society, the media, doctors and researchers would have been allowed to blow the horn and warn the world sooner of what was coming.

We are in this mess basically because the CCP failed to acknowledge, contain the disease and share information on the subject.

And yeah, the fact that our government was publicly denying the seriousness of the matter did hurt us all.

But do you really think that the CIA/NSA/etc would blindly believe on what the Chinese government reported? Do you really think there was no one in the USA government that knew what was happening? And even if that so, do you really believe that the US federal government did everything possible to prepare for the plague and save American lives?

While I don't deal with NY Times, WaPo or CNN as primary (or even secondary) news sources, I must admit I was keeping an eye on Sky News, EuroNews and BBC World News to name a few.  I agree this was the ONLY way for me to watch a global pandemic unfolding, and I was frustrated by the lack of coverage in the US news media.

YES the gravity of the situation was apparent early on, even to a country bumpkin such as myself.   YES, I do think some US government insiders were also watching in the early stages.  For example...

On January 29 the country's trade adviser, Peter Navarro, penned a memo warning that the coronavirus could kill up to half a million Americans and cause trillions of dollars in economic losses.   The White House received a copy of this memo.

Navarro wasn't exactly embraced for his foresight.  Do I think his memo should have been given more serious consideration?  Yup.  I do.

It is what it is, here and now.  Here we are.  Shall we play armchair quarterback and whine about shoulda, coulda wouldas or should we come together as Americans and support our President and his team as they do their best to safely get our economy rolling again?  I'm for the latter!

[Robert]

@Robert: I agree that the CCP lied to the WHO and everyone else.


But do you really think that the CIA/NSA/etc would blindly believe on what the Chinese government reported? Do you really think there was no one in the USA government that knew what was happening? And even if that so, do you really believe that the US federal government did everything possible to prepare for the plague and save American lives?

Why would you put faith in organizations that have their own interests at heart to reveal anything? Organizations that have had people killed changed the course of governments and even some would say tried to change this last election. 
 
  Why would the US be funding a lab in China in the first place? Could it be that since this type of testing had been banned in the US since basically about the time the Chinese lab opened, that we knew how dangerous this was and yet maybe needed another place to develop it. Why were Chinese scientists working with Canada after this banning? Why did the Chinese scientists get caught stealing viruses? Why when they stole the viruses did alarm bells not sound at that time?

  Why would Gates be sounding an alarm with the exact same virus with scenarios months before this outbreak even happened? Why did Gates quit Microsoft and Berkshire to do this?

I asked you alot of questions with known and verifiable facts that are still not answered yet. Maybe China was right blaming the US for this outbreak. While we did not actually develop the material and release it out into the open, which I believe the contamination was accidental, we did facilitate this research with money and expertise. We supported, endorsed and allowed this type of research without the Chinese knowing exactly why to be carefull in their pursuit of strict controls that we ourselves thought too dangerous to keep on researching here in the US. Probably knowing this kind of thing would happen.

 So like all our tech and knowledge that China has stolen, since they decided to be a world power.  Essentially having no knowledge of subs, viruses, stealth planes and so much more, that took us years to perfect yet they have now been on the cutting edge of things. Without the research or knowledge or years of trial and error and yes even accidents in perfecting this knowledge, yet have now become a threat to us here in the US from our very own tech.

Where did all this come from and why? Again why would you think they could be given our tech and then when they fail someone would reveal what is happening until it took its natural course with all this going on.

Why would impeachment articles be given at this time? Wouldn't it make more sense to wait concentrate on the people and the current problem then pursue your impeachment goals. Why was Diane Finestien never investigated having a Chinese spy as her own personal executive assistant.

Do you really think after all this and more that the information would be revealed to Trump?

 Especially when he has not had good ties to some three letter agencies and it may not be in their best interest.

Do I think that there is something else going on, Yes without a doubt. But what ever it is I dont know, but what I do know is a plan is never revealed or the problems with it.

I really believe Trump is trying his best to stop this kind of stuff, knowing that it has happened much to long in our history. But no one is going to step up to the plate and reveal things that led up to this, because then these questions will have to be answered.

Heck we had the subversion of a US election, or at very least the trying to hijack an election and yet years later we are still investigating it and understanding the players and no one yet has gone to prison over it.

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I posted this in my Corona virus thread Jan 24.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7925203/US-testing-12-patients-deadly-coronavirus-including-Texas-M-University-student.html

[..]

Reported by the Daily Mail UK on Jan 23

European health officials said 'further global spread is likely' in a report, but World Health Organization meeting last night failed to declare the crisis a global emergency.

If the USA was taking information from the WHO who is to blame?

Still Trump? Ya gotta be kidding unless the TDS has you blinded.

[Oss]

The fuc$^^&% NYT would say impeach FDR because he should have seen Pearl Harbor coming
Even if he may have seen intelligence the japanese fleet was missing, the fact is we were going into WWII

I do not believe a word written and will not ever read that piece of kaka (did I spell it right O2S?)

The fact is POTUS put up a travel ban when the leadership of the Democrats -  all of them - were screaming that was racist   If not for that ban we would be in worse shape. He mobilized the country like no President since FDR between making it possible for alternate cures to be pursued and coming up with ideas on how to help people (without giving millions to Kennedy center (which is the same as DNC)
and pork projects of Pelosi and Schumer.

He is trying to push thru a massive reconstruction nationally of infrastructure as he says do the work at almost zero interest on the federal bonds, some of which currently are much higher interest. That means if you think on it we are doing the work for less than the current payments on interest.

I refinanced a coop loan last year, saved the coop by lowering interest from 8.11 to 3.85 and saved enough that the coop could borrow enough to fix everything and still have a million in reserves for future capital projects. This is exactly what Trump is trying to do.

the NYT should be turned into a plant to make toilet paper, it would do the world more good

[old2soon]

      I watched most of POTUS Trumps c19 update yesterday. And naturally the lame stream "media" is now accusing the President of tooting his own horn. From what I saw POTUS Trump I M H O was attempting to set the record straight on the who what when where and why. Even the few selected video clips appeared to support this but one of the "reporters" thought it appeared as a reelection ad. Talk bout seeing what you Wanna see. Ross and I have figured out POTUS Trump could go in front of the nation on t v and radio and state the sun rises in the east and sets in the west walk off the stage and would be called out fer lying to the country. TDS IS runnin rampant and continues to do so. Wuderin here what the antacid bill is for those with severe TDS?  RIDE SAFE.

[old2soon]

         Yeah ya did there Evan. Could've added poo poo to it though!  RIDE SAFE.

[Robert]

CIA Secretly Told Staff COVID-19 Drug Touted By Trump Might Cause "Sudden Death"

A CIA website for employees with questions about the coronavirus addressed the topic on March 27, noting there had been media reports suggesting the drug “has activity against the COVID-19 virus.”

At this point, the drug is not recommended to be used by patients except by medical professionals prescribing it as part of ongoing investigational studies. There are potentially significant side effects, including sudden cardiac death, associated with hydroxychloroquine and its individual use in patients need to be carefully selected and monitored by a health care professional,” the answer said, before adding in bold type: “Please do not obtain this medication on your own.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-malarial-drug-touted-by-trump-was-subject-of-cia-warning-to-employees/ar-BB12zX43

[3fan4life]

CIA Secretly Told Staff COVID-19 Drug Touted By Trump Might Cause "Sudden Death"

A CIA website for employees with questions about the coronavirus addressed the topic on March 27, noting there had been media reports suggesting the drug “has activity against the COVID-19 virus.”

At this point, the drug is not recommended to be used by patients except by medical professionals prescribing it as part of ongoing investigational studies. There are potentially significant side effects, including sudden cardiac death, associated with hydroxychloroquine and its individual use in patients need to be carefully selected and monitored by a health care professional,” the answer said, before adding in bold type: “Please do not obtain this medication on your own.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-malarial-drug-touted-by-trump-was-subject-of-cia-warning-to-employees/ar-BB12zX43

Hmmmmm.......

Side Effects
Nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, dizziness, or headache may occur. If any of these effects last or get worse, tell your doctor or pharmacist promptly.

Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

[..]

CIA Secretly Told Staff COVID-19 Drug Touted By Trump Might Cause "Sudden Death"

A CIA website for employees with questions about the coronavirus addressed the topic on March 27, noting there had been media reports suggesting the drug “has activity against the COVID-19 virus.”

At this point, the drug is not recommended to be used by patients except by medical professionals prescribing it as part of ongoing investigational studies. There are potentially significant side effects, including sudden cardiac death, associated with hydroxychloroquine and its individual use in patients need to be carefully selected and monitored by a health care professional,” the answer said, before adding in bold type: “Please do not obtain this medication on your own.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-malarial-drug-touted-by-trump-was-subject-of-cia-warning-to-employees/ar-BB12zX43

Hmmmmm.......

Side Effects
Nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, dizziness, or headache may occur. If any of these effects last or get worse, tell your doctor or pharmacist promptly.

Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

Sounds like the warnings for hundreds if not thousands of modern drugs.

[3fan4life]

CIA Secretly Told Staff COVID-19 Drug Touted By Trump Might Cause "Sudden Death"

A CIA website for employees with questions about the coronavirus addressed the topic on March 27, noting there had been media reports suggesting the drug “has activity against the COVID-19 virus.”

At this point, the drug is not recommended to be used by patients except by medical professionals prescribing it as part of ongoing investigational studies. There are potentially significant side effects, including sudden cardiac death, associated with hydroxychloroquine and its individual use in patients need to be carefully selected and monitored by a health care professional,” the answer said, before adding in bold type: “Please do not obtain this medication on your own.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-malarial-drug-touted-by-trump-was-subject-of-cia-warning-to-employees/ar-BB12zX43

Hmmmmm.......

Side Effects
Nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, diarrhea, dizziness, or headache may occur. If any of these effects last or get worse, tell your doctor or pharmacist promptly.

Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

Sounds like the warnings for hundreds if not thousands of modern drugs.

EXACTLY!