5 day poll Do you support President Trump's Plan to open our economy?

[Valkorado]

This is only polling your feelings on the title question.   Not your like or dislike of the President, or even your feelings on his pandemic performance this far.

5 day poll,  to keep it blind you won't see the tally until after you vote!

Please only vote on the following question :

Do you support  President Trump's 3 Stage Plan to open our economy?

If you want to discuss anything like your thoughts on testing,  the possibility of resurgence,  constitutional rights violations or any other feelings related to this subject please do so in the comments.  Let 'er rip!

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I'm off with pay I've not stopped living my life took a weekend ride through Tennessee and Virginia with my friend Reb . We didn't touch anyone and anyone didn't touch us. I'm not sure about these Chinese Cooties at first I thought it was just some more of the left's never ending bullsh!t to take Trump down then Trump started playing along.... DAMNIFIKNOW 

[Savago]

Wait... is there an actual plan?
 

[cookiedough]

between 4-5 percent chance if infected you die being say 4 or 5 out of every 100.  I will take those chances.   

If the number of deaths and those infected do not peak anymore and start going downhill significantly with those being infected,  I say open er up!   

I really do not think as they said in WI to stay home now thru May 26th is feasible for most companies to survive creating even more financial burden, but who knows?  I know the big shots at both of our employers are taking significant paycuts, or so they say anyways?  It has only been 1 week and is not good only 6-7 more to go?  1 week was bad enough cannot wait for the next and next thru April?   

[Valkorado]

@ Savago.   I know you're joshin' but here ya go.  

Trump's 3-phase plan to open the US economy https://thepostmillennial.com/trumps-3-phase-plan-to-open-the-us-economy

I did vote, by the way!  I'll post final results at end of poll for all to see,  even those who don't vote.

[Serk]

Wait... is there an actual plan?
 

[Savago]

Trump's 3-phase plan to open the US economy https://thepostmillennial.com/trumps-3-phase-plan-to-open-the-us-economy

I will read about the subject before passing judgement.
 

[3fan4life]

I voted grudgingly only because I'm starting to lean towards, "Damn the Torpedoes Full Speed Ahead".

[Robert]

22 million currently unemployed, Coronavirus job losses could total 47 million, unemployment rate may hit 32%, Fed estimates

Macys, JC Penneys, other stores file bankruptcy proceedings as well as letting all employees go.

The paper then took an average of those workers and estimated a loss of just over 47 million positions. That would bring the U.S. unemployment rolls to 52.8 million, or more than three times worse than the peak of the Great Recession. The 30% unemployment rate would top the Great Depression peak of 24.9%.

A 16 year old kid, upset about the virus killed himself due to the duress from the virus. How many others will do the same thing over the mental duress.

Girard at Large 04162020
https://youtu.be/bjhSQjus-eU
Really amazing hospitals are closing since there is not the outpouring of people coming in doing elective surgery.

[Trynt]

between 4-5 percent chance if infected you die being say 4 or 5 out of every 100.  I will take those chances.   

Unfortunately death may not be the only downside. Some survivors are left with a damaged heart, lungs or brain.

[f6john]

The plan is good mainly because it is moving something forward. I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

[f6john]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Sorry to hear about your granddaughter, I’m sure it tough having juvenile diabetes. I personally have type 2 diabetes and have had heart trouble for 20 years. Should the state of Kentucky shut down because of my situation? My answer is no. Is my life as important as your 7 year old granddaughter? I think not too. I gave my current opinion and it stands on its own.

I don’t appreciate the brow beating over your granddaughter. I would think your family has enough information to keep her as protected as humanly possible regardless of what is happening around the globe. I also think you are financially comfortable and can retire with few financial worries. Millions are not where your are on life’s highway so your consideration should extend to them too.

PS, I don’t fish, I don’t party, and my shopping is mostly online long before the virus. Other people’s rights end where my nose begins. Meaning we all share the same rights

[Oss]

Yes but it did not address the Court system  which admittedly is a democratically caused problem in NYC and NYS

Court is closed if you are a landlord owed a year rent, or if you have a warrant and can not execute on it to throw out the miscreant  but open if you are a tenant who just destroyed a boiler, flooded a house or can not get in because you started the fire

I am beyond angry at my party having spend buco money on Kennedy center and other pork yet citibank can not get me any paycheck relief for my employees because the scumbag democrats are worried about people without bank accounts who they say are black or women  I say kiss my white a$$ Schumer and Pelosi   People without bank accounts are by definition cheating the system by being cash and paying no taxes.

So yes wear a mask and go back to work and church. Keep virtual classrooms open for the rest of the school year but pay the teachers.

 Give anyone with symptoms the 2 drug + zinc cocktail my wingman's wife got and test every american before they can work or go to school  We can and must do this

[Gavin_Sons]

Everyone has the same rights reguardless of health conditions. I hate that some children have medical conditions that prevent them from doing the thing other kids are doing but that shouldn't infringe on my right to go shopping, fishing, or partying if i choose to do so. I really am sorry your granddaughter has this but it is her parents duty to protect her and keep her away from this stuff. I don't mean to sound harsh but its reality. I wish kids would never get sick or a disease or cancer or anything, but they do and we can't change that. We can change who is around them and howthey live their life. One persons illness does not change the rights of thousands of people.

[Savago]

Trump's 3-phase plan to open the US economy https://thepostmillennial.com/trumps-3-phase-plan-to-open-the-us-economy

I will read about the subject before passing judgement.
 

Found this:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

It is a set of guidelines, not a plan.

A real plan has to define what/how/when plus metrics for progress and a budget to get the job done. The website I linked above has none (maybe somewhere else there is an actual document with a detailed write down?).

My primary issue with the 'guidelines' is that it shifts all the core responsibilities (testing, hospitals, PPE) to States. Quote:
"Core State Preparedness Responsibilities:
 - Ability to quickly and independently supply sufficient Personal Protective Equipment and critical medical equipment to handle dramatic surge in need.
 - Ability to quickly set up safe and efficient screening and testing sites for symptomatic individuals and trace contacts of COVID+ results.
".

I believe California has the money and the contacts to supply some items of what is needed (PPE, testing) independently of the Federal government. Texas probably can do it too.

Unless I'm mistaken, other States lack the cash, infrastructure, personal and contacts to get the job done by themselves (specially if they got compete with other States and countries for the same supplies) which is why there is the need for actual Federal government action.

Trying to find a metaphor: imagine we were at war against an invading nation and the WH told that each State is on his own. Would that work?

If we had any real leadership at the WH, what is needed now (i.e. industrial scale testing plus a vaccine) could be treated as a 'Manhattan Project' of sorts driven by the Army with:
a) Centralized logistics and coordination.
b) National procurement of the supplies.
c) Practically unlimited budget.
d) Mobilizing the American industries plus brightest minds in the nation.

That requires true leadership (think Ted Roosevelt or FDR like), which we don't have at the WH.

But hey... you can't be blamed if you delegate the responsibility to others (i.e. State), right? Let's freestyle the whole thing and hope for the best.

When the bad results come (and they will), just blame everyone else.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Sorry to hear about your granddaughter, I’m sure it tough having juvenile diabetes. I personally have type 2 diabetes and have had heart trouble for 20 years. Should the state of Kentucky shut down because of my situation? My answer is no. Is my life as important as your 7 year old granddaughter? I think not too. I gave my current opinion and it stands on its own.

I don’t appreciate the brow beating over your granddaughter. I would think your family has enough information to keep her as protected as humanly possible regardless of what is happening around the globe. I also think you are financially comfortable and can retire with few financial worries. Millions are not where your are on life’s highway so your consideration should extend to them too.

PS, I don’t fish, I don’t party, and my shopping is mostly online long before the virus. Other people’s rights end where my nose begins. Meaning we all share the same rights

Brow beating ?  I thought conservatives were supposed to be a little tougher than that. I merely stated that I thought your opinion would be different were you you in another situation.

Yes, we all share the same rights. Your proposition (as I understand it) was that everybody should go back to work and life as normal. That kind of thinking in these circumstances will likely get many more killed.

[f6john]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Sorry to hear about your granddaughter, I’m sure it tough having juvenile diabetes. I personally have type 2 diabetes and have had heart trouble for 20 years. Should the state of Kentucky shut down because of my situation? My answer is no. Is my life as important as your 7 year old granddaughter? I think not too. I gave my current opinion and it stands on its own.

I don’t appreciate the brow beating over your granddaughter. I would think your family has enough information to keep her as protected as humanly possible regardless of what is happening around the globe. I also think you are financially comfortable and can retire with few financial worries. Millions are not where your are on life’s highway so your consideration should extend to them too.

PS, I don’t fish, I don’t party, and my shopping is mostly online long before the virus. Other people’s rights end where my nose begins. Meaning we all share the same rights

Brow beating ?  I thought conservatives were supposed to be a little tougher than that. I merely stated that I thought your opinion would be different were you you in another situation.


Yes, we all share the same rights. Your proposition (as I understand it) was that everybody should go back to work and life as normal. That kind of thinking in these circumstances will likely get many more killed.

We have different opinions, that’s ok. You are scared, I’m not. You going to work everyday is your choice since your field is deemed essential. Your choices put your granddaughter at more risk than anything I express as my opinion.

Maybe your opinion would be different if YOU were in another situation.

[f6john]

Trump's 3-phase plan to open the US economy https://thepostmillennial.com/trumps-3-phase-plan-to-open-the-us-economy

I will read about the subject before passing judgement.
 

Found this:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

It is a set of guidelines, not a plan.

A real plan has to define what/how/when plus metrics for progress and a budget to get the job done. The website I linked above has none (maybe somewhere else there is an actual document with a detailed write down?).

My primary issue with the 'guidelines' is that it shifts all the core responsibilities (testing, hospitals, PPE) to States. Quote:
"Core State Preparedness Responsibilities:
 - Ability to quickly and independently supply sufficient Personal Protective Equipment and critical medical equipment to handle dramatic surge in need.
 - Ability to quickly set up safe and efficient screening and testing sites for symptomatic individuals and trace contacts of COVID+ results.
".

I believe California has the money and the contacts to supply some items of what is needed (PPE, testing) independently of the Federal government. Texas probably can do it too.

Unless I'm mistaken, other States lack the cash, infrastructure, personal and contacts to get the job done by themselves (specially if they got compete with other States and countries for the same supplies) which is why there is the need for actual Federal government action.

Trying to find a metaphor: imagine we were at war against an invading nation and the WH told that each State is on his own. Would that work?

If we had any real leadership at the WH, what is needed now (i.e. industrial scale testing plus a vaccine) could be treated as a 'Manhattan Project' of sorts driven by the Army with:
a) Centralized logistics and coordination.
b) National procurement of the supplies.
c) Practically unlimited budget.
d) Mobilizing the American industries plus brightest minds in the nation.

That requires true leadership (think Ted Roosevelt or FDR like), which we don't have at the WH.

But hey... you can't be blamed if you delegate the responsibility to others (i.e. State), right? Let's freestyle the whole thing and hope for the best.

When the bad results come (and they will), just blame everyone else.

 Whew!!!! Glad we got that cleared up. It’s not a plan, it’s a set of guidelines!!!

[..]

FFS

Trump does something it's BAD

Trump does nothing it's BAD.

Grow up.

Do you OR don't you want the Federal Govt in control of what the individual states do/don't do.  

AND YOU WANT THE ARMY IN CHARGE.

driven by the Army with:
a) Centralized logistics and coordination.
b) National procurement of the supplies.
c) Practically unlimited budget.
d) Mobilizing the American industries plus brightest minds in the nation.

YOU MUST BE F'ING JOKING.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Sorry to hear about your granddaughter, I’m sure it tough having juvenile diabetes. I personally have type 2 diabetes and have had heart trouble for 20 years. Should the state of Kentucky shut down because of my situation? My answer is no. Is my life as important as your 7 year old granddaughter? I think not too. I gave my current opinion and it stands on its own.

I don’t appreciate the brow beating over your granddaughter. I would think your family has enough information to keep her as protected as humanly possible regardless of what is happening around the globe. I also think you are financially comfortable and can retire with few financial worries. Millions are not where your are on life’s highway so your consideration should extend to them too.

PS, I don’t fish, I don’t party, and my shopping is mostly online long before the virus. Other people’s rights end where my nose begins. Meaning we all share the same rights

Brow beating ?  I thought conservatives were supposed to be a little tougher than that. I merely stated that I thought your opinion would be different were you you in another situation.


Yes, we all share the same rights. Your proposition (as I understand it) was that everybody should go back to work and life as normal. That kind of thinking in these circumstances will likely get many more killed.

We have different opinions, that’s ok. You are scared, I’m not. You going to work everyday is your choice since your field is deemed essential. Your choices put your granddaughter at more risk than anything I express as my opinion.

Maybe your opinion would be different if YOU were in another situation.

I said I was scared ? I think your deflection from your stated opinion is very telling. I would be concerned for everyone were your scenario implemented.

[Oss]

It is almost (not quite) impossible for a man or woman to lead when the opposition party shouts Impeach at every turn and will misrepresent every fact for political gain, emboldened by a media
owned by a few on the left and pandered to by a morally and ethically corrupted Hollywood


There is simply NO statesman or stateswoman on the Democrat side of the aisle

If there were, we would not hear the word RACIST
We would not hear the word IMPEACH
We would have a united Congress chomping at the bit to go after the CCP Chinese Communist Party
for reparations for Trillions of dollars lost
Why
Because they lied at every turn (kind of like democrats) about how the virus got out, killed and imprisoned anyone who tried to tell the truth, bought our masks before telling us what they unleashed,
infected our pork and other plants and industries as part of their war effort

Make no mistake the communist party has been at war with us for longer than the moslems have
declared jihad.  It is the long game  It is totally documented

Americans are too stupid and short of attention to remember  I remember
I do not buy chinese if it has a stamp on it I pass
But I am a minority
Oss

Look up chinese contributions to democratic party apparatus
Mao was all about making new truth which is a lie (duh)
Do you know chinese are taught we started the Korean war? Why do you think they imprison and kill those who practice religion especially ones which value truth?

[Savago]

Do you OR don't you want the Federal Govt in control of what the individual states do/don't do. YOU MUST BE F'ING JOKING.  

Hey Britman.

Unless is unclear, I never said the Federal government should control the States.

I think though that the Federal government has the resources and the logistics to solve the three main problems we are facing (i.e. PPE, testing and a vacinne).

I also think that States (specially the ones with less resources) are going to need more Federal help and shouldn't be left hanging.

[Crackerborn]

It should be the states that govern the return to normalcy. Here in cheddarland we are under 1% infected and are slowing the beer bug infection. We have two large centers of bug infestation that probably should remain with some reasonable restrictions. Our governor has decided we will stay at home for another 30 days with a bit of relaxing on various types of business but bars and food services are carry-out only. I have a friend that was furloughed the first week of this states first shut down and has yet to receive any unemployment aid (now 4 weeks). When the second 30 day shut down order was executed, she was told the company would now pay her back vacation, sick and PTO time which is very generous since they are not required to in WI. She no longer has a job since the company she worked for supplied bars and restaurants and plans on laying off 2/3 of their national work force of over 150k employees and only keeping core staff since their projections for new and existing business will result in the shut down of 7 of the 15 distribution centers on the east side of the Mississippi River. My friend was a senior executive at one of those DC's.

When this all started in April, every job I had scheduled for the spring and summer canceled. I could start new projects starting tomorrow if I chose with the phone ringing off the hook lately. I plan to slowly start back in May if the beer infection rates continue to fall despite what our "Lordships" seem  to think.

I hope and prey our freedoms as guaranteed in the Constitution survive this pandemic but am VERY concerned. The right to assemble already seems discarded for the "greater good". Freedom of speech will be next.

[f6john]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Sorry to hear about your granddaughter, I’m sure it tough having juvenile diabetes. I personally have type 2 diabetes and have had heart trouble for 20 years. Should the state of Kentucky shut down because of my situation? My answer is no. Is my life as important as your 7 year old granddaughter? I think not too. I gave my current opinion and it stands on its own.

I don’t appreciate the brow beating over your granddaughter. I would think your family has enough information to keep her as protected as humanly possible regardless of what is happening around the globe. I also think you are financially comfortable and can retire with few financial worries. Millions are not where your are on life’s highway so your consideration should extend to them too.

PS, I don’t fish, I don’t party, and my shopping is mostly online long before the virus. Other people’s rights end where my nose begins. Meaning we all share the same rights

Brow beating ?  I thought conservatives were supposed to be a little tougher than that. I merely stated that I thought your opinion would be different were you you in another situation.


Yes, we all share the same rights. Your proposition (as I understand it) was that everybody should go back to work and life as normal. That kind of thinking in these circumstances will likely get many more killed.

We have different opinions, that’s ok. You are scared, I’m not. You going to work everyday is your choice since your field is deemed essential. Your choices put your granddaughter at more risk than anything I express as my opinion.

Maybe your opinion would be different if YOU were in another situation.

I said I was scared ? I think your deflection from your stated opinion is very telling. I would be concerned for everyone were your scenario implemented.

No, I said you are scared. If you will notice, no quotation marks, it was a statement. You are the master of deflection because I haven’t deflected from my position, which I explained is just my opinion, at all. I know I will lay awake tonight worrying about your concern for everyone.

[cagrote]

IMHO, The government has no resources that it acquired on its own.  For the people by the people.  Why should the Fed. gov. have to pay out for states that didn't prepare in advance for some disaster?  The Feds should be a safety net and able to assist.  Not come in and take over because somehow we spent our money on something other than preparing for the worst.  We all know disasters happen, small and grand scale, but I plan in advance for myself and my family.  I want my state to do the same.  That is so the Fed can't dictate what and how we do things to get the help we may need

[Willow]

There seems to be some misunderstanding that because the decisions for moving away from the stay in place mitigations are being expected from the states (where they should be) that the federal government is abandoned the states in the resources needed.  That has not been the case from the beginning.  The federal government has certainly been assisting the states with resources to deal with the COVID-19 spread.  They will continue to do so but there will be times when a particular state demands more than is right for the federal resources to be distributed as need to 50 states.

[Robert]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Wow where does your granddaughters rights trump everyone else's and the quarantine should continue because of her? Not taking responsibility for personal choice needed for personal situations but wanting society as a whole to accommodate her.

My stepson has juvenile diabetes also and has literally been a few hours away from death from another illness, one that destroyed his kidneys. So you are not the only one and now he is taking anti rejection drugs from a transplant  plus runs a business. One that him, his wife, child and employees count on. He is staying home by choice a personal choice, remember those options, personal choice for your own life. He wants the economy to open as much as I do and does not inflict his circumstances on others. He also does not use it as guilt in saying everyone should accommodate him. I am very proud of him and what he has had to battle in his life, sometimes to the point of tears. Yet he is not a victim of life but an achiever. 

[Serk]

Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

At the child's parent's front door.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Wow where does your granddaughters rights trump everyone else's and the quarantine should continue because of her? Not taking responsibility for personal choice needed for personal situations but wanting society as a whole to accommodate her.

My stepson has juvenile diabetes also and has literally been a few hours away from death from another illness. So you are not the only one and now he is taking anti rejection drugs from a transplant  plus runs a business. One that him, his wife, child and employees count on. He is staying home by choice a personal choice, remember those options, personal choice for your own life. He wants the economy to open as much as I do and does not inflict his circumstances on others. He also does not use it as guilt in saying everyone should accommodate him. I am very proud of him and what he has had to battle in his life, sometimes to the point of tears. Yet he is not a victim of life but an achiever. 

Did I say her rights outweigh anyone else's ? Under John's scenario people go back to work, kids go back to school, all without adequate testing to find out who carries the virus. IMHO this would be foolhardy. Once we have testing up to par then I think we can get somewhat back to normal. Until then, requiring kids return to school would be subjecting many of them to danger.

Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

At the child's parent's front door.

You would be wrong.

[Robert]

Did I say her rights outweigh anyone else's ? Under John's scenario people go back to work, kids go back to school, all without adequate testing to find out who carries the virus. IMHO this would be foolhardy. Once we have testing up to par then I think we can get somewhat back to normal. Until then, requiring kids return to school would be subjecting many of them to danger.

I do have to agree with some reserve. NO meaningful testing is going to be available before the economy and life is in the garbage. Since testing requires meaningful results and stats to understand.

We have testing now but no stats to really understand. The problem with closing the economy, we did it without stats and information or understanding on the real impact, just on projections that proved way wrong.

You do realize that kids do not get this anywhere near the frequency as adults. So your concern may not be as warranted. 

School is out the rest of the year, and maybe even till next year sometime, even so work, school, personal choice, on line school, all these needs have to be accommodated. It cannot be a blanket life to normal and I cannot imaging it would be, it would be idiocy.

 Just as a blanket close down is idiocy.

[Bighead]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Wow where does your granddaughters rights trump everyone else's and the quarantine should continue because of her? Not taking responsibility for personal choice needed for personal situations but wanting society as a whole to accommodate her.

My stepson has juvenile diabetes also and has literally been a few hours away from death from another illness. So you are not the only one and now he is taking anti rejection drugs from a transplant  plus runs a business. One that him, his wife, child and employees count on. He is staying home by choice a personal choice, remember those options, personal choice for your own life. He wants the economy to open as much as I do and does not inflict his circumstances on others. He also does not use it as guilt in saying everyone should accommodate him. I am very proud of him and what he has had to battle in his life, sometimes to the point of tears. Yet he is not a victim of life but an achiever. 

Did I say her rights outweigh anyone else's ? Under John's scenario people go back to work, kids go back to school, all without adequate testing to find out who carries the virus. IMHO this would be foolhardy. Once we have testing up to par then I think we can get somewhat back to normal. Until then, requiring kids return to school would be subjecting many of them to danger.

Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

At the child's parent's front door.

You would be wrong.

Yes in a sense you did.
No serk wouldnt be.

[cagrote]

Can only people who have had it go back to work after testing?  Waiting till all are tested seems extreme.  I'm at work everyday because I am deemed essential, may be that all should be tested before they shop, so I'm not put at risk.  Amazes me that so many come in 3 plus times a week for non-essential things.  I'm not afraid, just saying should we infringe on any ones rights in response to someone elses fears.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Did I say her rights outweigh anyone else's ? Under John's scenario people go back to work, kids go back to school, all without adequate testing to find out who carries the virus. IMHO this would be foolhardy. Once we have testing up to par then I think we can get somewhat back to normal. Until then, requiring kids return to school would be subjecting many of them to danger.

I do have to agree with some reserve. NO meaningful testing is going to be available before the economy and life is in the garbage. Since testing requires meaningful results and stats to understand.

We have testing now but no stats to really understand. The problem with closing the economy, we did it without stats and information or understanding on the real impact.

You do realize that kids do not get this anywhere near the frequency as adults. So your concern may not be as warranted. 

School is out the rest of the year, and maybe even till next year sometime, even so work, school, personal choice, on line school, all these needs have to be accommodated. It cannot be a blanket life to normal and I cannot imaging it would be, it would be idiocy.

 Just as a blanket close down is idiocy.

A blanket close was implemented in most States in order to mitigate the damages. We are not even close to adequate testing yet. Hell, even people like Oss who have clear signs of covid19 can't even get a test. We need accurate testing for the antibodies to determine who has had it and can safely go back to work. Then we can start to get back on track. Until then, just willy nilly opening everything back up is pure foolishness. Where would this ruptured economy be if we roll everybody out, only to have another epidemic explode because of it ?


There are no good answers to our dilemma. But, we have to think this thru and be as smart as we can about it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Wow where does your granddaughters rights trump everyone else's and the quarantine should continue because of her? Not taking responsibility for personal choice needed for personal situations but wanting society as a whole to accommodate her.

My stepson has juvenile diabetes also and has literally been a few hours away from death from another illness. So you are not the only one and now he is taking anti rejection drugs from a transplant  plus runs a business. One that him, his wife, child and employees count on. He is staying home by choice a personal choice, remember those options, personal choice for your own life. He wants the economy to open as much as I do and does not inflict his circumstances on others. He also does not use it as guilt in saying everyone should accommodate him. I am very proud of him and what he has had to battle in his life, sometimes to the point of tears. Yet he is not a victim of life but an achiever. 

Did I say her rights outweigh anyone else's ? Under John's scenario people go back to work, kids go back to school, all without adequate testing to find out who carries the virus. IMHO this would be foolhardy. Once we have testing up to par then I think we can get somewhat back to normal. Until then, requiring kids return to school would be subjecting many of them to danger.

Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

At the child's parent's front door.

You would be wrong.

Yes in a sense you did.
No serk wouldnt be.

Serk would be incorrect. We have had communicable disease laws on the books for decades.

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html

[Robert]

4,026,360 is the number of tests we have done, the results not really understandable, why, because of those tested many have it and have no symptoms. I have also heard that if you have had a flu shot you could show positive for the Covid 19. Also lets just say that you have antibodies, I will ask how long do they last, and can you get it again?

The test numbers are 4 times as many as the next best country and we still dont have anything meaningful to go on.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So with millions out of work how much longer do you think we should wait?

[3fan4life]

I think it is time to open everything up and give the public all the information they need to keep themselves as protected as possible. Even the hot spots need some “breathing room”.

I suspect you’d feel differently if you had a 7 year old granddaughter with juvenile diabetes. She has been near death twice now with just a simple bout of flu. Something like this crap could kill her easily (along with many other at risk children) .


Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

Wow where does your granddaughters rights trump everyone else's and the quarantine should continue because of her? Not taking responsibility for personal choice needed for personal situations but wanting society as a whole to accommodate her.

My stepson has juvenile diabetes also and has literally been a few hours away from death from another illness. So you are not the only one and now he is taking anti rejection drugs from a transplant  plus runs a business. One that him, his wife, child and employees count on. He is staying home by choice a personal choice, remember those options, personal choice for your own life. He wants the economy to open as much as I do and does not inflict his circumstances on others. He also does not use it as guilt in saying everyone should accommodate him. I am very proud of him and what he has had to battle in his life, sometimes to the point of tears. Yet he is not a victim of life but an achiever. 

Did I say her rights outweigh anyone else's ? Under John's scenario people go back to work, kids go back to school, all without adequate testing to find out who carries the virus. IMHO this would be foolhardy. Once we have testing up to par then I think we can get somewhat back to normal. Until then, requiring kids return to school would be subjecting many of them to danger.

Where does your right to go fishing, shopping, partying begin and vulnerable children’s rights end ?

At the child's parent's front door.

You would be wrong.

Yes in a sense you did.
No serk wouldnt be.

Serk would be incorrect. We have had communicable disease laws on the books for decades.

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html

Definitions from your link:

Isolation separates sick people with a quarantinable communicable disease from people who are not sick.

Quarantine separates and restricts the movement of people who were exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become sick.


So, essentially the government quarantined an entire nation.

Were they operating under the assumption that "Everyone" had been exposed?

No easy answers I know.

But it does seem that an actual quarantine of hot spots as they develop makes more sense than shutting down entire states.

[Valkorado]

BUMP.  Poll ends this evening.

[scooperhsd]

I want to change my vote.

[Valkorado]

Sorry, I didn't set it up that way. 

You can discuss why you would do so, either now or at the end of the poll.  I'll try to make a note of it when I post results.