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Valkahuna
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« on: April 21, 2020, 09:32:57 PM »

I'm just finishing carb teardown and rebuild. Now I find that one of my Air Cut-Off valves, item 24 on Honda Parts breakdown fails vacuum testing. I see no way to fix or rebuild it. Does anyone locally have one? Everything I order from Partzilla is at least a week out. I'm checking with my local dealers but they never have stock, so delivery still around a week and usually 20% higher price. Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2020, 02:15:00 AM »

I have some good used ones , text or call me 3 eight 6 five 3 eight 9 one one 4.. cooldude
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2020, 11:38:31 AM »

Just so you'll know, that valve fits/used on a large number of different models of Hondas from 1991 thru 2005.  cooldude
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2020, 01:12:34 PM »

Just so you'll know, that valve fits/used on a large number of different models of Hondas from 1991 thru 2005.  cooldude

Thanks John. That's the case with a few of the carb parts direct from Honda. I found that if I go to the Honda Stealer and ask for a certain part for a Valkyrie they never have it, but if I give them a parts number that is common through several bikes, the answer (and attitude) is sometimes different.

Shout out to Mike (Sixlow). I rode the Indian up to his place today and bought one of his used ones that tested "good". THANKS MIKE!!

Hey after all, the other 5 that are in the bike are used as well. Not a very high failure rate. BTW John, thanks for the advice on removing the upper rear engine hangers. Made the job a lot easier.

I think that there is so much written about carb removal and work, that there is a real mystique that is quite daunting until you actually do one. There are many things that I've done that are a lot more difficult. Just be methodical, work clean, and use common sense. Thanks again for your help John. Send me a PM when you decide to come down. I'd love to see you!
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2020, 02:33:13 PM »

Thanks John for that knowledge, I didn't know it was used in so many years of Honda's.  cooldude

Pete, your very welcome and I'm glad to have helped you, great talking with you today and meeting your riding buddy's. Loved seeing 4 pristine Indians rolling into my community, all very sharp bikes. The Indian is still on my list of must have's someday. Wish I took a picture.  Cool
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2020, 09:12:50 PM »

Thanks John for that knowledge, I didn't know it was used in so many years of Honda's.  cooldude

Pete, your very welcome and I'm glad to have helped you, great talking with you today and meeting your riding buddy's. Loved seeing 4 pristine Indians rolling into my community, all very sharp bikes. The Indian is still on my list of must have's someday. Wish I took a picture.  Cool

You should see how many Honda MC use the same float valves as our Valks.

Thanks for the compliments on the Indians. Speaking of pristine, have you looked at your bikes recently? And they’re a lot older than our Indians! Thanks again for today!
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2020, 05:09:57 PM »

I love it when a plan works!  cooldude

The whole reason this project became necessary was because I was not able to get the engine to run over 1,000 rpm, and it was clear that at minimum my slow jets were clogged. I tried all the remedies of seafoam, techron, etc, and nothing helped. The dreaded time had arrived. But with all of us basically marking time being socially distant, the project came at the right time. I actually enjoyed it a lot, found that its not anywhere near as bad a job as I had imagined. Just work clean, take notes, be neat, and don't rush! The hardest part was waiting for parts, although I had bought everything in advance that I thought I would need. The problem was that the more you take apart, the more problems surfaced! Also, some of the parts I needed to order were either out of stock, or companies I dealt with closed up while I was waiting on things I ordered from them. No problem, since I had my Indian ready to ride and there was no rush to get the fat gurl running again.  Wink
While doing this project I also decided to rebuild the Honda petcock, and to do a complete de-smog job using the Red Eye Shiny de-smog II kit. It's amazing how much better everything looks with all the smog stuff gone. cooldude

Last night I got the old girl fired up. Idled smooth and perfect. Reved really well. Then today I took her out for a fresh load of Non-Ethanol fuel, and a long test ride. She has always run well-I mean really strong! Today she is all that and more. Easily runs up to redline with no hesitation. No burbling or popping even when cutting the throttle abruptly, or when using engine braking to come down from speed. All I had to do as far as adjustments was to take the idle down from what was 1100 to around 950.  cooldude 

I did spent a little extra time on the bench to minimize the possibility of problems. I had made a small gas tank from a radiator overflow tank, some tubing, and a small petcock all sourced at NAPA. I used it check my float valves before even putting the carb bowls back on.  I set the whole carb assembly on my bench with the floats hanging free, but held up with rubber bands. There was no flow, after supplying fuel to both fuel rails. Success! Then I pulled each float down one at a time to be sure that now fuel would flow. All worked perfectly. Those K&L float valves I bought worked perfectly. The small springs on the original float valve pins had become weak, and I was not going to go through this rebuild and leave questionable parts to be the "weak link". I also decided to leak test the entire carb assembly while still on the bench before putting the carbs back on the bike. Not even a drop or even a weep of fuel.  cooldude For what it's worth, I had even split all six carbs once I was done with the overhaul, to rebuild the fuel rails, air rails, and also test the air cut off valves. So, I had them apart as far as possible. Also, I did not re-use any soft parts (read tubing, o rings).

I believe another thing that helped was that I was really careful with a static on-the-bench carb sync. There are many articles that were written to explain different methods. In my case it worked so well that I doubt I'll even do a running sync since it really could not be running any better. But I'll probably succumb to curiosity to see just how good the sync really is, so Sixlow, I'll be taking you up on your offer of coming to use your digi sync. Wink

Sorry to go on and on, but there is nothing that makes one feel better than successfully doing something that supposedly is difficult. Some jobs always loom largest before you start. cooldude

I also realize that without pictures this job never really happened. But this is not written as a Tech "How To". There are already tons of those out there. Besides, I have probably a hundred or more pics and videos on my phone that I took as references in case my old brain decided to betray me!  I wrote this to give those of you that may be squeamish, some courage or reinforcement to do some of the work yourself that pops up from time-to-time when you love an old piece of machinery. Just do it! cooldude Cool
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2020, 08:08:04 PM »

Good to hear Pete. Although I have access to a spare set of carbs to rebuild, I'm seriously considering just pulling mine since it's still too chilly up here for my riding comfort anyway. Also....was good talking with you the other night, we burned up the airways like a couple old women for over an hour.  2funny

Now, for future reference when looking for a part. Get the p/n and just type it in Google, it will tell you where to get it and all the different bikes it's used on. When rebuilding the old GL1200 a couple years back I was surprised to see a lot of stuff was also used on the Valkyrie....including the speedo drive. Who woulda thunk?  cooldude
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2020, 04:43:14 AM »

Just so you'll know, that valve fits/used on a large number of different models of Hondas from 1991 thru 2005.  cooldude

Thanks John. That's the case with a few of the carb parts direct from Honda. I found that if I go to the Honda Stealer and ask for a certain part for a Valkyrie they never have it, but if I give them a parts number that is common through several bikes, the answer (and attitude) is sometimes different.

Shout out to Mike (Sixlow). I rode the Indian up to his place today and bought one of his used ones that tested "good". THANKS MIKE!!

Hey after all, the other 5 that are in the bike are used as well. Not a very high failure rate. BTW John, thanks for the advice on removing the upper rear engine hangers. Made the job a lot easier.

I think that there is so much written about carb removal and work, that there is a real mystique that is quite daunting until you actually do one. There are many things that I've done that are a lot more difficult. Just be methodical, work clean, and use common sense. Thanks again for your help John. Send me a PM when you decide to come down. I'd love to see you!

the service manual states to remove the engine hangers. I've brought this up before and cricket responses.  it seems too many are watching you-tube instructions from people who also do not read the manual.
how to remove the rear wheel without removing the exhaust per the manual is one of the few repairs not following the manual is better.
The manual is very good.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2020, 03:42:31 PM »

Do you even need it?
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2020, 08:58:36 AM »

From what I’ve read, I would say yes. In any case if I was going through the carbs , they were going to be right when done.
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