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« on: May 26, 2020, 05:40:41 AM »

empathy, humility, and shame ? I'm not sure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/opinion/trump-scarborough-twitter.html
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2020, 05:55:06 AM »

Let me know when you decide.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2020, 06:07:22 AM »

WOW  Shocked Shocked

    Wrong on so many levels,  you have out done yourself in suggestive title and vague innuendos and your hate of the current president, that you will deny all later. I have not researched this particular issue and will not now except to say this.

The president of the US with the best intelligence machine in history says its a murder, and many say an accident, they have no information other than a corners report.

If the president is wrong then, our intelligence machine has failed miserably. Would this really be the kind of thing that we want at this time? Are you really that naive to take at face value the reports we get without looking into them?  

Seth Rich, and so many others died with a full reports saying nothing about murder. Even a few with a shot to the back of the head ruled suicide.

Look at the Clinton hit list just to name a few deaths that were ruled on. Some examples.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1002950243338653697


1 On Monday August 12th, 2018, the body of journalist Jenny Moore was found in a D.C hotel room.

Official reports say she died having a seizure.

One month before, she provided evidence to the DHS and FBI concerning Bill Clinton raping children on a private yacht.


2 A Pulitzer prize winning journalist for the Wall Street Journal, he was found dead in his New York home on July 20, 2017.

On the day he died, he was set to meet a Russian consulate to get information on Hillary Clinton obtaining Veropharm, a Russian drug company.


3 CEO of Clinton-linked Compass Group. He helped to build the Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock, Arkansas.

His son, Will, worked for Open Britain, a group funded by Soros.

Both died in a plane crash, the same day as Bruce Steinberg, Jan 1st, 2018.


4 Seth Rich, He was shot in the back twice while walking home on July 10th, 2016, in Washington D.C. Nothing was stolen from his body.

He is the one who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks and Julian Assange.

Later leaks reveal a hit was put on Seth, by Debbie Wasserman Schultz.


5  A doctor who had visited Haiti after Katrina to help victims.

He was about to expose the Clinton Foundation for not providing relief to the victims of Haiti, despite receiving $10 billion to do so.

He was found dead Dec 10, 2017, stabbed in chest, daughter nearby.


6 Barry and Honey Sherman

He and his wife were both found strangled to death in their home on Dec 15, 2017.

Supposedly he strangled his wife, then himself.

Barry founded Apotex, a drug company that supplied medications to Haiti and Puerto Rico, through the Clinton Foundation.

7 Monica Petersen

On Nov 13th, 2016, she was said to have committed suicide while in Haiti.

She was investigating child trafficking linked to the Clinton Foundation.

Her mother says there is no way she killed herself. The family has received little to no answers on her death.

8 Lara Prychodko

Last seen alive July 10th, 2018.

She "fell" 27 stories down a trash chute, into a compactor, where she was found.

Her husband, David Schlachet works with Big Pharma, Soros, and Clinton.

She may have had knowledge of prescription price gouging under Clinton.

9 John and Carole Paladino

On July 7th, 2018, their home in New Jersey suddenly exploded in a massive blast that shook the entire neighborhood.

They were set to testify against Hillary the week following their deaths.

The court case was against Hillary price gouging on medicine.

10 Anthony Bourdain

CNN host of "Parts Unknown" and renowned chef/traveller. He was shedding light on pedogate and Armenian Genocide in a newer episode of his show.

On June 8, 2018 he was found hung in his hotel room in France. Many suspect he was murdered.


          The ones above could leave some doubt, so for the complete obserdity of it all I will post this one last one


11 Gareth Williams.

A spy with MI6. He had illegally hacked into secret data of Bill Clinton.

Found dead in his apartment August 16, 2010. Ruled as a suicide, but he was padlocked, naked, inside a duffle bag in his bathtub.

The apartment was steam cleaned after his death as well.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2020, 06:23:44 AM »

One side effect of lockdown is that people that care to do so have too much time on time on their hands to get caught up in and propagate all sorts of things to stir the pot.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2020, 07:06:15 AM »

The link demanded that I login to read the NYtimes but I did see just enough of it to observe that someone who takes it seriously would need to be incredibly non-thinking.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2020, 07:07:15 AM »

WOW  Shocked Shocked

    Wrong on so many levels,  you have out done yourself in suggestive title and vague innuendos and your hate of the current president, that you will deny all later. I have not researched this particular issue and will not now except to say this.

The president of the US with the best intelligence machine in history says its a murder, and many say an accident, they have no information other than a corners report.

If the president is wrong then, our intelligence machine has failed miserably. Would this really be the kind of thing that we want at this time? Are you really that naive to take at face value the reports we get without looking into them?  

Seth Rich, and so many others died with a full reports saying nothing about murder. Even a few with a shot to the back of the head ruled suicide.

Look at the Clinton hit list just to name a few deaths that were ruled on. Some examples.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1002950243338653697


1 On Monday August 12th, 2018, the body of journalist Jenny Moore was found in a D.C hotel room.

Official reports say she died having a seizure.

One month before, she provided evidence to the DHS and FBI concerning Bill Clinton raping children on a private yacht.


2 A Pulitzer prize winning journalist for the Wall Street Journal, he was found dead in his New York home on July 20, 2017.

On the day he died, he was set to meet a Russian consulate to get information on Hillary Clinton obtaining Veropharm, a Russian drug company.


3 CEO of Clinton-linked Compass Group. He helped to build the Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock, Arkansas.

His son, Will, worked for Open Britain, a group funded by Soros.

Both died in a plane crash, the same day as Bruce Steinberg, Jan 1st, 2018.


4 Seth Rich, He was shot in the back twice while walking home on July 10th, 2016, in Washington D.C. Nothing was stolen from his body.

He is the one who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks and Julian Assange.

Later leaks reveal a hit was put on Seth, by Debbie Wasserman Schultz.


5  A doctor who had visited Haiti after Katrina to help victims.

He was about to expose the Clinton Foundation for not providing relief to the victims of Haiti, despite receiving $10 billion to do so.

He was found dead Dec 10, 2017, stabbed in chest, daughter nearby.


6 Barry and Honey Sherman

He and his wife were both found strangled to death in their home on Dec 15, 2017.

Supposedly he strangled his wife, then himself.

Barry founded Apotex, a drug company that supplied medications to Haiti and Puerto Rico, through the Clinton Foundation.

7 Monica Petersen

On Nov 13th, 2016, she was said to have committed suicide while in Haiti.

She was investigating child trafficking linked to the Clinton Foundation.

Her mother says there is no way she killed herself. The family has received little to no answers on her death.

8 Lara Prychodko

Last seen alive July 10th, 2018.

She "fell" 27 stories down a trash chute, into a compactor, where she was found.

Her husband, David Schlachet works with Big Pharma, Soros, and Clinton.

She may have had knowledge of prescription price gouging under Clinton.

9 John and Carole Paladino

On July 7th, 2018, their home in New Jersey suddenly exploded in a massive blast that shook the entire neighborhood.

They were set to testify against Hillary the week following their deaths.

The court case was against Hillary price gouging on medicine.

10 Anthony Bourdain

CNN host of "Parts Unknown" and renowned chef/traveller. He was shedding light on pedogate and Armenian Genocide in a newer episode of his show.

On June 8, 2018 he was found hung in his hotel room in France. Many suspect he was murdered.


          The ones above could leave some doubt, so for the complete obserdity of it all I will post this one last one


11 Gareth Williams.

A spy with MI6. He had illegally hacked into secret data of Bill Clinton.

Found dead in his apartment August 16, 2010. Ruled as a suicide, but he was padlocked, naked, inside a duffle bag in his bathtub.

The apartment was steam cleaned after his death as well.


WOW is right! You've really outdone yourself with all this copy-and-paste tinfoilery.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2020, 07:14:51 AM »

I lost what tiny spec of respect I had left for the NY Times when they ran a hit piece against the US military on Memorial Day Weekend...

"Why Does the U.S. Military Celebrate White Supremacy?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/23/opinion/sunday/army-base-names-confederacy-racism.html
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2020, 07:37:49 AM »

No answers to a simple question ?
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2020, 07:40:33 AM »

The link demanded that I login to read the NYtimes but I did see just enough of it to observe that someone who takes it seriously would need to be incredibly non-thinking.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5257828002
How many links would you like ?
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2020, 07:49:25 AM »

I'm certainly not siding with the link but to answer the question, yes.  Biologically speaking.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2020, 07:56:33 AM »

Yes, Biblically speaking.  Jeremiah 17:9:

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

But there is hope!  Ezekeiel 11:19-20:

And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2020, 08:10:52 AM »

If a person and their family is beat up all day, every day by the national media, no matter what they do, and this went on incessantly for years, don't you think it would be a human reaction to try to beat them back with some of their own type of crap?

-RP
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2020, 08:11:00 AM »

Denying someone's humanity because you don't like them or disagree with them has a long and dark history....
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2020, 08:27:14 AM »

I would look in the mirror, and ask yourself that question, since you did right and admit your not sure.  

I think many call names or insinuation for people or things or situations,  we dont understand is what this country has come to. Prejudice is the same as calling someone a Deplorable or any slang that denotes a lower place in society.

I think though that true understanding of circumstances brings good results. As the following story may bring some welcome good news to doomsayers as well as people who dont trully understand the way things work.  

The general election scenario that Democrats are dreading

"We are about to see the best economic data we’ve seen in the history of this country," says a top former economic adviser to Obama.
 
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/26/2020-election-democrats-281470


Here is a great video of the current state of affairs.

https://youtu.be/wVs5AyjzwRM
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2020, 08:33:42 AM »

I did a search (using Duckduckgo) to look for any negative "tweets" about the President's Family. 

The search returned one hit from Ilhan Omar that was basically not a Tweet. 

So, one can make two assumptions regarding this information.

One, there are very few Tweets that have disparaged or otherwise used negative words regarding the President's family or

Two, they exist but are never reported on. 

While i have a Twitter account, I have not used it in several years nor have I visted that website on purpose.

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2020, 08:39:42 AM »

Denying someone's humanity because you don't like them or disagree with them has a long and dark history....

Um .....HELL YES

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2020, 08:47:18 AM »

If a person and their family is beat up all day, every day by the national media, no matter what they do, and this went on incessantly for years, don't you think it would be a human reaction to try to beat them back with some of their own type of crap?

-RP

Funny, I don't recall a single tantrum from Obama in all of his eight years in office. Unlike the current...

Even with the tan suit or the First Lady's bare arms...nope, nothing.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2020, 08:49:34 AM »

If a person and their family is beat up all day, every day by the national media, no matter what they do, and this went on incessantly for years, don't you think it would be a human reaction to try to beat them back with some of their own type of crap?

-RP
RP, jousting with a political opponent or even the media is one thing. This stuff is at a whole different level. Besides, he didn’t just become his person over the last 3 years. He has been peddling this kind of stuff for decades.

 I’m not really concerned with him at this point. He is what he is. The bigger question, to me at least, is whether one without the 3 qualities I listed is really human ( without soul). GR has answered that satisfactorily in terms of the Bible for me.
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2020, 08:58:34 AM »

No answers to a simple question ?

It may be a simple question but more importantly it's a stupid question.  By attaching the link and asking the question it appears you are implying that the man targeted by the linked article is missing the qualities to which you referred.  Can he be human?  What is the alternative?  Are you suggesting he is superhuman?  Are you suggesting he might be some sort of specter or spirit?

Does it really indicate a lack of these qualities for someone to bring up the suspected responsibility of someone for a woman's death?  Perhaps you were you were referring to the woman's surviving husband for claiming that the question of someone being responsible for his wife's death caused him emotional pain?  Really?  How stupid are we?  Are some of us really that desperate to find something wrong with the person we hate?

The answer to the original question is yes.  Whether the question actually applies to the man targeted is certainly still very much unanswered. 
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2020, 09:13:25 AM »

If a person and their family is beat up all day, every day by the national media, no matter what they do, and this went on incessantly for years, don't you think it would be a human reaction to try to beat them back with some of their own type of crap?

-RP

Funny, I don't recall a single tantrum from Obama in all of his eight years in office. Unlike the current...

Even with the tan suit or the First Lady's bare arms...nope, nothing.
That’s because the previous POTUS was heavily handled scripted and played like a movie script. The few times he tried to speak without his handlers and Tele-prompter was embarrassing and disastrous. The whole eight years was fake, everything about the obamas was faked
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2020, 10:59:00 AM »

If a person and their family is beat up all day, every day by the national media, no matter what they do, and this went on incessantly for years, don't you think it would be a human reaction to try to beat them back with some of their own type of crap?

-RP

Funny, I don't recall a single tantrum from Obama in all of his eight years in office. Unlike the current...

Even with the tan suit or the First Lady's bare arms...nope, nothing.
That’s because the previous POTUS was heavily handled scripted and played like a movie script. The few times he tried to speak without his handlers and Tele-prompter was embarrassing and disastrous. The whole eight years was fake, everything about the obamas was faked

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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2020, 11:33:12 AM »

If a person and their family is beat up all day, every day by the national media, no matter what they do, and this went on incessantly for years, don't you think it would be a human reaction to try to beat them back with some of their own type of crap?

-RP
RP, jousting with a political opponent or even the media is one thing. This stuff is at a whole different level. Besides, he didn’t just become his person over the last 3 years. He has been peddling this kind of stuff for decades.

 I’m not really concerned with him at this point. He is what he is. The bigger question, to me at least, is whether one without the 3 qualities I listed is really human ( without soul). GR has answered that satisfactorily in terms of the Bible for me.

I read your original question and the way it read to me was...I hate Trump and based on this article, shouldn't you hate Trump too?  This kind of stuff changes nobody's mind.  When the media has no problem disparaging his family, including his young son, the gloves are off.  Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what he did, but I understand.  To your question, it was a human response to constant attack, misguided or not, it makes him human.

-RP
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2020, 11:46:25 AM »

If a person and their family is beat up all day, every day by the national media, no matter what they do, and this went on incessantly for years, don't you think it would be a human reaction to try to beat them back with some of their own type of crap?

-RP

Funny, I don't recall a single tantrum from Obama in all of his eight years in office. Unlike the current...

Even with the tan suit or the First Lady's bare arms...nope, nothing.

OBAMA- I'VE GOT A PEN AND A PHONE

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Angry President Obama Tears Into Donald Trump Like Never Before | NBC Nightly News

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2020, 12:44:16 PM »

No answers to a simple question ?

 Can he be human?  What is the alternative?  Are you suggesting he is superhuman?  Are you suggesting he might be some sort of specter or spirit?


I was thinking more along the lines of subhuman.

“: less than human: such as
a : failing to attain the level (as of morality or intelligence) associated with normal human beings“


But, I will go with GR’s assessment.   Wink
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2020, 12:57:01 PM »

If a person and their family is beat up all day, every day by the national media, no matter what they do, and this went on incessantly for years, don't you think it would be a human reaction to try to beat them back with some of their own type of crap?

-RP

Funny, I don't recall a single tantrum from Obama in all of his eight years in office. Unlike the current...

Even with the tan suit or the First Lady's bare arms...nope, nothing.
That’s because the previous POTUS was heavily handled scripted and played like a movie script. The few times he tried to speak without his handlers and Tele-prompter was embarrassing and disastrous. The whole eight years was fake, everything about the obamas was faked

Looks like you've gt a little ODS going on there. Heavily handled, scripted? Everything about them was faked? Really?

I'd go with door number 2.....Presidential. Some (most) of the garbage that flows out of DJT's mouth is pathetically embarrassing for us as a nation.

And are you sure you want to talk about scripts and teleprompters?
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2020, 01:02:24 PM »

No answers to a simple question ?

 Can he be human?  What is the alternative?  Are you suggesting he is superhuman?  Are you suggesting he might be some sort of specter or spirit?


I was thinking more along the lines of subhuman.

“: less than human: such as
a : failing to attain the level (as of morality or intelligence) associated with normal human beings“


But, I will go with GR’s assessment.   Wink

In other words, an Untermensch.
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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2020, 01:32:39 PM »

YES ,best example I can think of quickly     either OBAMA..Take your pick.
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