And this is how so many rioting issues can be resolved

[Jersey mike]

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/polk-county-sheriff-judd-message-to-rioters-looters/67-4ba0be69-06fe-4a45-8c4b-3a7bbb03100c

“Sheriff Judd also had a stern message for anyone who might come to the county to riot, loot, or injure people.
"I would tell them if you value your life, you probably shouldn’t do that in Polk County, because the people of Polk County like guns, they have guns, and I encourage them to own guns, and they’re going to be in their homes tonight with their guns loaded. And if you try to break into their homes, to steal, to set fires, I’m highly recommending they blow you back out of their house with their guns. So leave the community alone, and we’ll do our best to support the community."

[da prez]

GOOD ON HIM.  SAVES TAX DOLLARS ON TRIALS AND INSURANCE MONEY ON REPAIRS.

                 da prez

[Pappy!]

We have another sheriff like that in the Ocala area. Lake county is another area where the Sheriff puts up with nothing like riots or property destruction.

[old2soon]

    Most Good states have Castle Doctrine. Simple-Legal to Protect You and Yours.  RIDE SAFE.

[shadowsoftime]

my kind of sheriff.

ones that don't like this sheriff , rioters ,thieves.

[Rams]

Castle Laws (my understanding) are intended to be applicable in the home setting.   From what I understand the current rioting and looting is mostly happening in commercial districts.    I have my doubts that a Castle Law would protect the defender unless he/she was under the threat of loss of life.   We can all claim we felt threatened but, it may be harder to prove if the encounter took place in a business versus a home.   

Obviously, different states have different versions of "Castle Laws".   

Rams

[Bighead]

I am proud to say my Sherriff feels the same. And after my Saturday afternoon range session i cleaned all weapons and loaded them to the max. 

[Bighead]

Ron it said Homes.

[Robert]

I wonder if that is why we see them riot in the city on mostly retail property.

[G-Man]

I wonder if that is why we see them riot in the city on mostly retail property.

Of course it is.  Less chance of someone fighting back.  Same reason PITA doesn't show up to antagonize motorcyclists for wearing leather.

[Tx Bohemian]

... unless he/she was under the threat of loss of life.   We can all claim we felt threatened but, it may be harder to prove if the encounter took place in a business versus a home.    

Rams

I understand what your saying here.

But my question is:

If there is someone brazen enough to break into a home or business how do you know what the intentions are? Or what state of mind this creep is in?
Or if an opportunity presents itself to the intruder (such as rape of your daughter) that he won't take advantage?
Are you supposed to wait till it happens to "be sure"?

It's easy to play "monday morning" quaterback and say "they should've done this or that" but untill you're in a situation like that I don't think anybody knows how you'll react. I'm not sure if I would.

Again I understand your thoughts and, unfortunately, I think it eventually breaks down to who can afford the best attorney!

[JimmyG]

And then, I went to Walmart yesterday and all the guns and ammo have been removed from their shelves and locked up in the back. I asked, where is everything? guy said Walmart headquarters said remove everything and lock it up.  So my little 15,000 pop county is ready for rioters Can't refute walmart wisdom.......    Everyone I know is locked and loaded and the law enforcement agencies are behind our citizens protecting our selves and our property.

[old2soon]

           Since leaving commie controlled il I have resided in Texas Colorado and now Missouri. At my time of residence in each of these States Castle Doctrine and CCW were embraced. And personally I would NOT have it any other way. Seems to me anywho that a Man or a Woman's lively hood-their business-is as important as their home. But I ain't a lawyer. If your business and all the stock are looted and then burned to the ground Where ZACKLY is your income derived from now? RIDE SAFE.

[shadowsoftime]

... unless he/she was under the threat of loss of life.   We can all claim we felt threatened but, it may be harder to prove if the encounter took place in a business versus a home.    

Rams

I understand what your saying here.

But my question is:

If there is someone brazen enough to break into a home or business how do you know what the intentions are? Or what state of mind this creep is in?
Or if an opportunity presents itself to the intruder (such as rape of your daughter) that he won't take advantage?
Are you supposed to wait till it happens to "be sure"?

It's easy to play "monday morning" quaterback and say "they should've done this or that" but untill you're in a situation like that I don't think anybody knows how you'll react. I'm not sure if I would.

Again I understand your thoughts and, unfortunately, I think it eventually breaks down to who can afford the best attorney!

It is called Home Invasion.
My 78 year old single Uncle had a knock on his door one evening,  picked up his gun, went to look thru peep hole, door was kicked in,door knocked him across the room, lost the gun and 3 black males beat the    s h i t   out of him, both eyes swollen shut, broke nose, cracked ribs, took the gun, money and etc.

I pray to God that I would never, ever have to take another persons life, I don't know what it would do to me mentally.

[shadowsoftime]

If you are at your business and he,she, they break in, your life is in danger, self defense.

[MarkT]

I would add, no warning shots, or shoot to wound.  Double tap in the boiler room with a caliber that begins with 4.  Or a magnum.  You don't want the perp suing you for violating their rights when they broke in and threatened your life.

[Tx Bohemian]

... or shoot to wound. 

Wait a minute!  Didn't "shotgun" joe biden just say the cops need to be trained to "shoot in the leg"!

Seems to me that sleepy joe is way, way outta touch!

[Valkorado]

... unless he/she was under the threat of loss of life.   We can all claim we felt threatened but, it may be harder to prove if the encounter took place in a business versus a home.    

Rams

I understand what your saying here.

But my question is:

If there is someone brazen enough to break into a home or business how do you know what the intentions are? Or what state of mind this creep is in?
Or if an opportunity presents itself to the intruder (such as rape of your daughter) that he won't take advantage?
Are you supposed to wait till it happens to "be sure"?

It's easy to play "monday morning" quaterback and say "they should've done this or that" but untill you're in a situation like that I don't think anybody knows how you'll react. I'm not sure if I would.

Again I understand your thoughts and, unfortunately, I think it eventually breaks down to who can afford the best attorney!

It is called Home Invasion.
My 78 year old single Uncle had a knock on his door one evening,  picked up his gun, went to look thru peep hole, door was kicked in,door knocked him across the room, lost the gun and 3 black males beat the    s h i t   out of him, both eyes swollen shut, broke nose, cracked ribs, took the gun, money and etc.

I pray to God that I would never, ever have to take another persons life, I don't know what it would do to me mentally.

I understand that but think about how your uncle felt mentally -- and physically.  Those turds probably stole his sense of security as well as his property.  

Stories like these would likely help me overcome the hesitation factor, which is a big problem even for many who are trained to shoot very well.

I guess I'd rather deal with the mental anguish of killing someone than be beaten and robbed in my own home.

[old2soon]

         A caliber that starts with a .4-yup AGREE. And up close and personal 165 grain hollow point. Kinda like wild boar huntin in East Texas-ya dasn't wanna just piss em off ya wanna cancel their ticket. Choice tween me and them-duz ya gotta ask? RIDE SAFE.

[Oss]

stand to the SIDE of the door  keep your family also from being right in front of the door.

just saying

I really should invest in one of those motion sensor camera doorbells that tell you when someone is there BEFORE they ring the bell and take video

[carolinarider09]

An interesting problem with "outside access" house doors. 

The code requires that these doors open inward.  That goes against any common sense since, in the event of a problem inside the house, you would have to open the door "inward" to leave.  Not smart but is code.

Also, with a typical inside door to the outside, there is nothing to reinforce the door jam since it just there. You can reinforce the jam area but not by much.  A dead bolt will help but the only real way to protect and inside opening door is with a bar across the door, not just the jam area but the whole door.  Those are found easily online if you are interested.

I have some doors that open out onto an enclosed porch (they are not considered to be "access to the outside doors" or so I convinced the inspector).  You cannot break those doors in very easily.  Now someone will say, "well just pull the hinge pins".  Well the hinge pins are protected against that and while it can be done, it would take some time.

The other thing is "glass around the door or windows in general.  The solution to that is some protective film that strengths the window.  I have not seen it tested but my research found that it is not just "eyewash". 

[shadowsoftime]

stand to the SIDE of the door  keep your family also from being right in front of the door.

just saying

I really should invest in one of those motion sensor camera doorbells that tell you when someone is there BEFORE they ring the bell and take video

The hallway at his door leaves no room either side of door, after the attack he put bars on windows and back door and caged in the front porch canopy. Brick home.

[Jess from VA]

The code requires that these doors open inward.  That goes against any common sense since, in the event of a problem inside the house, you would have to open the door "inward" to leave.  Not smart but is code.


My front door (and locking storm door) are no longer straight and level in the frame.  After many years, the house has moved a little (the steel door has not changed at all).

I reinforced the frame, hinges and strike plates, have an extra long deadbolt, used long stainless lag screws everywhere (and have a good chair that perfectly fits the knob, but am not satisfied with the lack of security).  

I am not competent to fix this door frame and doors, and when I pay it done, I want the main door reversed, so the door opens out (not in) so I get the extra security that creates from strong-arm break-in (and code be dammed).  All public buildings exit doors must open out for safety (and fire stampedes), so why does code require home doors to open in (for easier police access?).

Except the storm opens out so if the main steel door also opens out, will that be a problem.  ?

I've heard the easiest way to break in any door, is to take an old fashioned car jack, put it sideways in the middle of the door frame, and jack the frame out enough to easily push the door in.  I'm not sure how you defeat that. (besides an AR 15)

[carolinarider09]

Jess,  I can't find the link to the barricade device that I had considered for my front door.  I will continue looking and if and when I find it I will post it. 

Regarding the Ring device, I see a lot of ads and videos on YouTube showing the results. 

Just a reminder, the Ring device, to the best of my knowledge, communicates with your home wifi system.  It that is correct, for it to work, the wifi needs to be operational. 

And while it is illegal to own and/or use a wifi jammer, they are out there and cheap. 

And, if one were to employ a wifi jammer for criminal purposes and violate federal law, it would not only jam wifi but could also jam cell phone communications. 

Which is why I still pay $35 a month for landline service.

[scooperhsd]

I use a VoIP service to provide the same type service for under $10 / month. Does require my internet to be operational.