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Author Topic: hard bag help Tsukayu Strong bag please  (Read 4952 times)
mikeb
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« on: December 16, 2009, 04:19:20 PM »

i have been elected / selected? by someone here in michigan to help an 65 year young man..  that is an new valk owner and wants some hard bags .. after doing a lot of reading here on this site i told him to call an local supplier and check on Tsukayu Strong bags jumbo size..  i know a few of you own these and now he wants to talk to someone that has them on their bike .. i am just trying to help this new owner out and cant do any more for him i dont own these kinda bags would one of you fine fellows kindly email me your phone # and see if you can help with the questions he has i have never met him but was raised to help others when we can. .  he don't own an computer ...email me at mikekari@mivrcc.com and ill email you his # or give him yours.. your choice .. the bags go off sale friday...
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2009, 12:51:30 PM »

i can not believe no one will step up to help this fellow by answering a few questions on the phone . i wish i knew how the bags fit and what needs to be ordered and how well they are built i fill sorry for him
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2009, 01:37:28 PM »

...he don't own an computer...
  I would suggest he go to a public library, get on the internet, pull up the Tsukayu site and read to his heart content.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2009, 01:43:13 PM »

now that's not very nice hes 65 and dont have a clue on how to use an computer.. i was hoping their would be a kind heart here that owns these bags that would be willing to help him . him being an noob to the world of valk .i bet he could get the same responce at the hd user group as you gave Farther.. ride on and have a good day
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2009, 01:50:07 PM »

I am close to 60 and know how to use a computer.  Give your friend more credit than that.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2009, 01:55:26 PM »

Hey Mike...  I sent you an email this morning.

Did you see it?  That is how you wanted to be contacted, according to your original post.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2009, 02:09:16 PM »

Mike, I don't have them..... but why don't you visit the Tsukayu site and print out all the pics, mount instructions, etc and give them to him.  
http://www.tsukayu.com/Installation_rev3.htm
http://www.bikersden.com/tsukayu.html
http://www.valkyrieguy.com/tsubags.htm


HDL sells them and they may be able to talk to him and answer questions.
http://www.hondadirectlineofshadyside.com/stores/product.asp?pid=7297&str=2&ID=43058379

So do these guys:
http://store.valueaccessories.net/index.aspx

It's my understanding the mounts are universal, so he has to do some custom work in deciding where (up/down, fore/aft) to mount them, and then drill the bags to fit the mounts, and get them even on both sides.  (paint too unless he has a black bike)

Another idea, would be for him to sell the standard and use the proceeds to get a tourer..... this may not be as big a PITA as this project, depending on his skills.   I'm just saying.  
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2009, 02:55:11 PM »

i can not believe no one will step up to help this fellow by answering a few questions on the phone . i wish i knew how the bags fit and what needs to be ordered and how well they are built i fill sorry for him

Hi Mike,

I don't have these but if you don't have any luck with a phone response - which there will likely be someone step forward if they haven't already -  you may want to do a search of the archives as there has been quite a bit written about these in the past and several have posted pics of their final results.

Good Luck and I'm sure the fellow appreciates your help.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2009, 03:30:48 PM »

got one bite from world famous black dog!! passed the info on and asked (paul) the older fellow to let me know how he makes out
i have never met paul but some one gave him my phone # and i just could not just say i will not help to him i am still a poor sap that stops and helps people out when i can . i am thankful for all the input you fine folk gave mike b 
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2009, 04:04:08 PM »

I did not reply because mine are still in the original crate, I will not be putting them on until spring  after I repaint my new skins and the bags. I will attest to the way the bags are made though. Mine are in primer and I would say they are very near ready for paint just as they were shipped. In my opinion they are a quality product.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2009, 04:40:06 PM »

he was worried about the way they would fit .. they might be too big or interfear with his turn signals..
thanks for the input  mike b
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2009, 06:54:02 AM »

I have been busy and have not been on the board for several days, so I am just now seeing your request. I have the bags and they are a very high quality product. I have the regular though and not the jumbo. They fit great, look great, and I am very happy with them. They take some time and ingenuity to mount as they do not come pre-drilled for mounting hardware. However, it is really not that difficult to figure out. Someone suggested you get on their site and print out the info for your friend and let him decide and I agree that would make the most sense. Again, they are a great high quality product. Good Luck. Hef
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2009, 10:55:13 AM »

This is a friend of mine's Valk with the Tsukayu saddlebags. I know this does'nt help much but you can print a pic and let him see it or maybe one of his family members or friends will have a computer and they can come here to show him.

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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2009, 06:50:18 PM »

i can not believe no one will step up to help this fellow by answering a few questions on the phone . i wish i knew how the bags fit and what needs to be ordered and how well they are built i fill sorry for him


Hey Mike -
I know exactly what he's going thru as I am going thru the very same thing with my Tsukayu bags. I have the the "Strong" bags and are a little smaller than the "Jumbo".  This is a very arduous task at best because there a lot of things to consider. You have to decide where you want to position them yourself and that's the hard part. There is the "Fore & Aft" position to center them with the rear fender and still provide adequate clearance for the passenger's feet and legs. The up and down clearance is dictated by the clearance between the bags and the exhaust - 1" minimum is recommended but I went with 1 1/8" (thickness of a piece of deck board). Then there's the outboard clearance.  One thing I've noticed so far is your prolly looking at close to 2" out away from the fender strut in order for the lids to clear to rear passenger seat.  That's pretty much where I'm at because I'm also mounting a trailer hitch at the same time.  It would look better cosmetically if it were hugging the fender more but then the lids are going to hit the passenger seat when opened.

Here I'm getting some numbers for "Fore & Aft" in relation to the front of the bags and the fender strut bolts


Eyeing it up visually ....


Here's the outboard clearance in relation to the rear seat .... gonna be close to those studs


After I gather all my numbers I'm going to transfer them to a fixture I made (three datum planes) and figure out where the holes need to be drilled. Prolly seems pretty anal but I'm pretty particular what goes on my scoot and it's gotta be PERFECT


And the trailer hitch I have to incorporate in addition to the bags .... are we having fun yet  Lips Sealed


Hope this helps you out somewhat.  Should give you an idea how to approach it.  And lastly, TAKE YOUR TIME !!
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 05:04:05 AM »

Excellent post!! cooldude
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2009, 05:50:31 AM »

Excellent post!! cooldude

Thanks Jess.  One other observation I've made is that with my saddlebags mounted 2" away from the fender strut it's going to be pretty much in line with the drivers foot peg on what touches down first in a hard lean in the corners. I did this by standing off to the side of the bike and making a mental picture in my head where the tires contact the ground and me moving back and forth until the bottom of the pegs are in line with the bottom of the tires. This is also where the bottom of the saddlebags are at (hope that made sense).   If you're putting the "Jumbo" bags on you will prolly have an earlier touchdown as they are about two inches wider.  You could raise the bags to compensate for that but that most likely wouldn't look very pleasing to the eye - prolly look like a Sport Touring bike with the high mounted bags.

For what it's worth here's what I came up with for numbers ("Strong" bags - NOT the "Jumbo):
  • 5 1/4" from the front of bags (touching the hinge) to center of 10mm bolt in fender strut
  • 10 3/4" from bottom of bag to center of fender strut bolts (1 1/8" clearance between bag and muffler)
  • 2" from 10mm fender strut bolt mounting surface to inside of saddlebag
  • 8 1/4" C/L to C/L of fender strut mounting bolts
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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2009, 06:27:53 AM »

great post ill print and send it to the older fellow thanks all for the help  cooldude
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2009, 10:26:30 AM »

Sodbuster, another way to check for clearances in leans is to shim the kickstand (or use the jack) so the bike is almost straight up, take a big piece of stiff plywood (or some such), slide it in to the tire on one end and lift it up on the other.  This is a good way to take guesswork out of things mounted low on the bike. 
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2009, 11:49:39 AM »

Sodbuster, another way to check for clearances in leans is to shim the kickstand (or use the jack) so the bike is almost straight up, take a big piece of stiff plywood (or some such), slide it in to the tire on one end and lift it up on the other.  This is a good way to take guesswork out of things mounted low on the bike. 


I didn't do the plywood thing but I did do something similar - same result.  I was able to line up a piece of cardboard with the drivers foot peg and adjust the height of saddlebags accordingly.  I started with 1 1/8" clearance between the bags and muffler and brought it up to 1 3/4" inch. That's about as much as I care to go to obtain good cornering clearance and maintain visual lines of the bike and bags. 



The top of the saddlebags are still well below the top of the rear fender and the rear of the bags line up nicely with the rear lines of the rear fender.  I'm going to think about it for a few days if that's the look I want before drilling any holes.  This brings the bottom of the bags to the center of the fender strut bolts to 10"
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2009, 06:43:03 PM »

The top of the saddlebags are still well below the top of the rear fender and the rear of the bags line up nicely with the rear lines of the rear fender.  I'm going to think about it for a few days if that's the look I want before drilling any holes.  This brings the bottom of the bags to the center of the fender strut bolts to 10"

Sodbuster, don't forget the clearance for the final drive.... like I did!

If you have the Tsukayu mounting brackets too vertical, compression of the suspension will cause the mounting bracket to hit the final drive. I had a small chunk taken out of my final drive by the bracket. 
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2009, 06:57:13 PM »

The top of the saddlebags are still well below the top of the rear fender and the rear of the bags line up nicely with the rear lines of the rear fender.  I'm going to think about it for a few days if that's the look I want before drilling any holes.  This brings the bottom of the bags to the center of the fender strut bolts to 10"

Sodbuster, don't forget the clearance for the final drive.... like I did!

If you have the Tsukayu mounting brackets too vertical, compression of the suspension will cause the mounting bracket to hit the final drive. I had a small chunk taken out of my final drive by the bracket. 

Good point .... Thanks for the heads up
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