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Mitchapalooza
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« on: July 01, 2020, 01:00:39 PM »

Hi Folks,

I've obtained quite a lot of help from this awesome forum in the past, and am really hoping for some now.  I've got a 98' Standard Valk that sat for a bit too long over the winter without riding and unfortunately, the damage had been done as far as varnish, etc.  It would start right up, though the number 5 carb (throttle side rear) was leaking.  It had done this before, though corrected itself previously. 
Now, it was definitely leaking fuel no matter what I did, so I decided it was time for a carb rebuild.

I removed the carb bank and had ordered new RedEye float needles/springs, carb body gaskets, intake/stack gaskets and O-rings for carb drain screws. It looked like it was coming from the bottom of the body, so I assumed that it was a possible failure with the gaskets or stuck float needles. 

It took me a while to get around to the project, but eventually got it all put back together.  At first, she wouldn't start, though it ended up being a poorly charged battery.  I went ahead and bled the clutch while I was at it, drained old fuel from the tank and put in a couple of gallons of fresh 89.

After a sufficient charge, she started up, though it took some choke and convincing.  At first, the throttle response wasn't great and I had to give it some gas to keep her running.  I did go ahead and check the petcock functionality by blowing through the body with it closed/open, and it functioned just as it should.

After running it for a couple of minutes and coming back to it the next day, she started right up and idles where it did before.  The issue is, I noticed spray coming from the rear clutch side (Cobra 6x6) exhaust from all three pipes.  Zero spray from the throttle side. 

I believe this to be fuel coming from the left/clutch side exhaust and I'm kind of at a loss, as each carb was meticulously rebuilt the exact same and each float bowl had plenty of spring with the new springs/needles. 

To me, this would indicate a stuck float that is flooding the carbs to the point of getting into the exhaust.  I tapped on each carb body with a screwdriver handle to see if I could get a different result, though I'm still getting fuel coming out of the left/clutch side when I rev her up.  In fact, I can actually see it pooling a bit at the exhaust tips - scary!

Though I probably should have, I didn't do a desmog on this go-round, as I've never had a vacuum issue on this bike.  As far as I know, everything was put back together as per the Clymer Manual.  The only thing that I may have botched was one of the air hoses coming from the rear of the PAIR valve is kinked after I got the airbox back in.  If I have to take her apart again, I'll just order a desmog kit to eliminate that potential hassle/failure.

Fires right up otherwise, just can't figure out if there's something else I can do aside from pulling the carbs again and going through my work on the clutch side.  I doubt it has anything to do with the vacuum line going from #6 to the petcock, but I suppose that could be the case somehow.  I'm a decent mechanic and have successfully rebuilt many carbs on bikes, ATVs and Rotax engines. 

What I did:
-Carbs rebuilt on the carb bank and double-checked that they are in sync regardless
-Pulled all jets and left in ultrasonic cleaner overnight
-All bowls, floats, pins cleaned and checked for issues - found none and came out great
-High, Low, Idle jets cleaned with piano wire and checked in light to ensure no blockages
-Old adhesive meticulously cleaned and new carb gaskets installed
-New carb drain O-rings installed and each pressure tested with Mity-Vac to spec
-New RedEye vacuum caps and EZ retainer rings installed. 
-Petcock tested for functionality
-New stacks/intake O-rings installed
-Ensured there is fuel in every carb by cracking drain screw
-Pulled each plug to check for fowling/flooding - they all look the same and don't smell of gas too badly

I live in Fort Worth in the DFW area and any/all help that you fine folks could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mitch  ???

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gordonv
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2020, 07:47:16 PM »

After running it for a couple of minutes and coming back to it the next day, she started right up and idles where it did before.  The issue is, I noticed spray coming from the rear clutch side (Cobra 6x6) exhaust from all three pipes.  Zero spray from the throttle side. 

Smell it. What does it smell like?

I suspect water vapor. Yes, one side only.
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Six Guns
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2020, 10:09:54 AM »

Mitch, have you tried the Texas Chapter? Lot's of good folks in the area to help out. We have wrench sessions and get together to eat out from time to time. Post on the DFW board and I'm sure you will get some help. I see you are in the Fort Worth area like me. If there is anyway that I can help give me a shout out. Some of our people are probably at Inzane right now and it is kind of quiet on the board. Looking forward to helping you anyway that I can.    cooldude

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Mitchapalooza
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2020, 01:32:50 PM »

Hi Guys,

Gordonv, I haven't actually taken a lighter to what is coming out as of yet Smiley It has a slight hint of petrol, though I assume that's the true test to ensure it's not fuel and is water vapor.  I'm curious as to why water vapor (and so much of it) would be coming out of only one side of the exhaust/engine though?

Six Guns,

I totally forgot it was Inzane right now!  Yes sir, I am in Fort Worth near TCU and will go ahead and post on the DFW boards to get some insight and see if anyone can help.  Thanks so much and have fun out there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2020, 04:25:54 PM »

Hi Guys,

Gordonv, I haven't actually taken a lighter to what is coming out as of yet Smiley It has a slight hint of petrol, though I assume that's the true test to ensure it's not fuel and is water vapor.  I'm curious as to why water vapor (and so much of it) would be coming out of only one side of the exhaust/engine though?

Six Guns,

I totally forgot it was Inzane right now!  Yes sir, I am in Fort Worth near TCU and will go ahead and post on the DFW boards to get some insight and see if anyone can help.  Thanks so much and have fun out there.


"For every pound of fuel burned, you get about a pound and a third of water, as a combustion product, in the exhaust gas.  No way to prevent it; it's right there in the chemical equation.  You only see it when the engine is cold, or the gas flows over cold surfaces or into cold air, where the water becomes liquid."

https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=314427
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2020, 04:57:11 PM »

Gordonv, I haven't actually taken a lighter to what is coming out as of yet Smiley It has a slight hint of petrol, though I assume that's the true test to ensure it's not fuel and is water vapor.

Just what you said, a hint of petrol. Sounds like it smells of exhaust. Which tells me it's water vapour.

If it was raw petrol, then it would smell of gasoline, and the lighter would ignite it then.

You've the reply from 98valk.

The 3rd would be smelling of anti freeze. Which would be something more along the lines of a cracked head.
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